On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:13:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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I agree that it may not have come from the well. Seems like a distinction
without a difference. Oil in the water is still oil in the water.

Actually there is a huge difference if you think about it: Oil from
the platform equipment is finite and will stop relatively quickly; Oil
from the well can take months to control as we have seen.

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On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:24:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/02/rescue-efforts-underway-after-oil-rig-accident-in-gulf/?hpt=T2


Drill baby drill
Burn baby burn
Lie baby lie


This may actually be an example of the system working.
If the reports are right there were no fatalities and no oil was
spilled. That is better than the normal drive time experience in your
major city. Oil rig worker is a safer job than cab driver

There's a mile-long slick, according the news. An explosion is the
"system working"???

Just because there's oil on the water doesn't mean it came from
the well. I'm sure they have diesel generators on the rig and you
need to store the fuel. The explosion could have blown that up.

Yes, they use diesel on the drilling rigs to power the EMD's, but usually
they are not present on a production platform, as this one was. There may
have been some avgas present for the choppers. Production platforms use
natural gas straight from the wells, purified a little, to run their
generators and pumps.

I do notice that there was hysterical reporting of a slick a mile in size.
And then, a report that the slick was not even close to that big, but much
much smaller. Seems like only the first story got the publicity.

Since there was not a lot of blood and gore, this event will get little
play. I've been on rigs, and let me tell you, to evacuate during a fire
like they did, and all get away safely is a testament to their training,
preparation, equipment, safety procedures, company policies, and just
doing everything right. They need to be commended, that's what the press
should be touting now. The press loves it more when people screw up
rather than do it right.

Steve

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And, the regulations that prevented the fire/explosion worked perfectly!

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**** is CAUSED to happen. Probably, yet another cost saving measure on
behalf of some corporation. a la BP

Were you born an idiot, or did you just practice a lot? Have you ever
been on an offshore platform in your life? No human in their right mind
sets their workplace on fire when there's no land within a hundred miles.
There's good money in getting oil to land, not having burnouts.

Sheesh.

Steve - former oilfield worker


It's caused to happen by loose or non-existent enforcement of regulations or
the gutting of them.

Apparently, you _were_ born an idiot or you had a lot of practice!

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On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:13:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I agree that it may not have come from the well. Seems like a distinction
without a difference. Oil in the water is still oil in the water.

Actually there is a huge difference if you think about it: Oil from
the platform equipment is finite and will stop relatively quickly; Oil
from the well can take months to control as we have seen.


But, in the case of BP, the shutoff valves did not work. This one, from
what I see, the shutoffs worked, and with the slick being finally described
as less than a mile big, there wasn't a lot of fluid lost from anything.
The wells seem to have "shut in". Which means the closers worked and are
holding the oil back. It IS a production rig, and that means that the wells
have been drilled, and oil may be coming out under its own pressure. If any
natural gas is present, that stuff is highly pressurized. Have you ever
been boating, and noticed how big a sheen a tiny bit of gas makes? A mile
long slick could be like a few hundred gallons, maybe less.

Steve

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On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:24:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/02/rescue-efforts-underway-after-oil-rig-accident-in-gulf/?hpt=T2

Drill baby drill
Burn baby burn
Lie baby lie


This may actually be an example of the system working.
If the reports are right there were no fatalities and no oil was
spilled. That is better than the normal drive time experience in your
major city. Oil rig worker is a safer job than cab driver

There's a mile-long slick, according the news. An explosion is the "system
working"???


Knee jerk reaction. No oil escaped. You are a moron.

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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/02/rescue-efforts-underway-after-oil-rig-accident-in-gulf/?hpt=T2

Drill baby drill
Burn baby burn
Lie baby lie


So do you think that instead we should buy all of our oil from the
middle east? You are a moron.

Do you think there's a difference? Oil is on the world market bozo.


You are a moron.

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On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:24:08 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/02/rescue-efforts-underway-after-oi...

Drill baby drill
Burn baby burn
Lie baby lie

This may actually be an example of the system working.
If the reports are right there were no fatalities and no oil was
spilled. That is better than the normal drive time experience in your
major city. Oil rig worker is a safer job than cab driver

I have been on rigs in that area. IIRC, I would guess the water to be
no
more than 200' deep, which doesn't compare to the 10,000 or so for the
other one. They can get a floater in there REAL QUICK to do some
remediation like drilling and placing a plug.

When I worked on rigs from '74 to '80, there were several fires and
capsizings and collapses. It was common. Also common was dumping
cuttings overboard which resulted in a sheen for miles, but back then,
the
tree huggers hadn't gotten out that far, or got to be so strong.

Glad to see the system worked pretty well, and happy that all the men
are
safe. That's the main thing.

Steve

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So, dumping crap in the ocean is fine with you. Sheesh.

Fires, explosions, people having to be rescued... if that's a system that
works, I'd hate to be around a system that didn't.

You're around the Obama presidency. It ain't working.

WAFM!

I'm "around" the Obama presidency? What the heck does that mean?

You're a racist and a liar.


You are a moron.

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**** happens.


Another one of the "so long as corporations are doing it, it's ok"
right-wing assholes.

Hey, spoofer, do you think we should buy our oil from the middle east
instead?

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Did you read the article?
"Troedson said Thursday afternoon that Coast Guard boats and aircraft
have not been able to find a sheen."
It was the title of the article

I bet more people remember the first article than subsequent ones, though.
And I love the facial, body, and voice gyrations the press go through when
they are explaining something they want people to take a certain way. And
they all must have breakfast at IHOP where they get the keywords of the day.
Hundreds of interviews nationwide every day, and every day, there's two or
three new keyword phrases that mostly are Newspeak, and not really relevant
to the topic.

Steve

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On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:13:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I agree that it may not have come from the well. Seems like a distinction
without a difference. Oil in the water is still oil in the water.

Actually there is a huge difference if you think about it: Oil from
the platform equipment is finite and will stop relatively quickly; Oil
from the well can take months to control as we have seen.


But, in the case of BP, the shutoff valves did not work. This one, from
what I see, the shutoffs worked, and with the slick being finally
described as less than a mile big, there wasn't a lot of fluid lost from
anything. The wells seem to have "shut in". Which means the closers
worked and are holding the oil back. It IS a production rig, and that
means that the wells have been drilled, and oil may be coming out under
its own pressure. If any natural gas is present, that stuff is highly
pressurized. Have you ever been boating, and noticed how big a sheen a
tiny bit of gas makes? A mile long slick could be like a few hundred
gallons, maybe less.

Steve

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So, I guess that the BOP worked. Great. At the failure rate of 40%, they got
lucky. Tell us again about how the system worked with a fire, explosion, and
people in the water?