Another oil rig explodes in the Gulf
 

Another oil rig explodes in the Gulf
 

On 9/5/10 11:26 AM, Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:49:06 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Why not read the USCG reports that say no explosion and no oil spill?
They were onsite, not 3,000 miles away, sitting on an agenda.
Oh, so it was just a huge fireball, unless you're claiming the
photos are
doctored.

You live too close to Hollywood. Fireballs are not explosions, no
matter what you see on TV.


Oh come on! 13 people went into the water. It wasn't some simple
fire-extinguisher fire. There were injuries. It was certainly
classified as an explosion.


You can have a huge fire without an explosion. They may have abandoned
ship because they thought there might be an explosion but it was just
a fire. If I was on an oil platform that was on fire I might jump
overboard too. What is surprising is that they didn't have a life
boat. Maybe Steve can shed some light on that.

There are plenty of news reports saying they couldn't get to the
lifeboats. No reason to be surprised about "no lifeboat."
Probably scared by the explosion and fire, or it was centered near the
lifeboat station and they didn't want to go there.
I think every news account I've seen mentions "explosion."
You can argue about the definition of "explosion."
Some say Mentos in coke bottle qualifies.
They all had survival suits on, so I expect evacuation procedure is to
don the suit before mustering at the lifeboat.
There's probably a pdf out there on the nets with an oil rig evacuation
procedure.
But there were no safety violations on that rig.
It was a simple act of God.
Explosion, fire, jumping 50' into the sea is just all part of a days
work for oil rig workers.
They're tough guys who put their fate into the hands of God.
Don't need no safety procedures.
Just ask them.

Jim - Speculate until proven wrong, then go into denial mode.


Hertvik,
It is great to see you back.

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On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:49:06 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Why not read the USCG reports that say no explosion and no oil spill?
They were onsite, not 3,000 miles away, sitting on an agenda.

Oh, so it was just a huge fireball, unless you're claiming the photos
are
doctored.


You live too close to Hollywood. Fireballs are not explosions, no
matter what you see on TV.



Oh come on! 13 people went into the water. It wasn't some simple
fire-extinguisher fire. There were injuries. It was certainly classified
as
an explosion.


You can have a huge fire without an explosion. They may have abandoned
ship because they thought there might be an explosion but it was just
a fire. If I was on an oil platform that was on fire I might jump
overboard too. What is surprising is that they didn't have a life
boat. Maybe Steve can shed some light on that.

So, a fire ball isn't an explosion? That's just loony. It absolutely was an
explosion. The system FAILED. People went in the water and people were
injured.

Didn't have or didn't use a life boat? That's an example of the system
working????

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On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:49:06 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Why not read the USCG reports that say no explosion and no oil spill?
They were onsite, not 3,000 miles away, sitting on an agenda.

Oh, so it was just a huge fireball, unless you're claiming the photos
are
doctored.


You live too close to Hollywood. Fireballs are not explosions, no
matter what you see on TV.



Oh come on! 13 people went into the water. It wasn't some simple
fire-extinguisher fire. There were injuries. It was certainly classified
as
an explosion.


You can have a huge fire without an explosion. They may have abandoned
ship because they thought there might be an explosion but it was just
a fire. If I was on an oil platform that was on fire I might jump
overboard too. What is surprising is that they didn't have a life
boat. Maybe Steve can shed some light on that.


I am not well informed on the incident. Lifeboats are definitely not
standard. Escape capsules are mandatory. There is a huge difference. If
the fire or dangerous area was in an area close to the escape capsule, maybe
that would preclude its use. Sometimes, the fires disable the electrical
supply, or at least temporarily shut them down. The escape capsules can be
dropped by a mechanically freewheeling device that has a brake on it. And,
IIRC, there is a device that when all else fails, allows the boat to simply
freefall. Depends on height as to how that turns out. In the eighties, it
became MANDATORY for every person who met certain criteria to go to a day
long training course held at a facility that had a full scale mock up of the
escape devices. Those would have been present, and the men would have been
trained in their use. I will read up on the actual facts, and try to learn
if they were actually swimming when picked up, or were in an escape capsule.
Sometimes, men in that situation will jump into the water rather than take
the escape device because of their fear of the device, their location
relative to where they would have to go to get to it, or just plain panic.

I'll read up.

Steve

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On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 10:25:27 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:49:06 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Why not read the USCG reports that say no explosion and no oil
spill?
They were onsite, not 3,000 miles away, sitting on an agenda.

Oh, so it was just a huge fireball, unless you're claiming the photos
are
doctored.


You live too close to Hollywood. Fireballs are not explosions, no
matter what you see on TV.



Oh come on! 13 people went into the water. It wasn't some simple
fire-extinguisher fire. There were injuries. It was certainly classified
as
an explosion.


You can have a huge fire without an explosion. They may have abandoned
ship because they thought there might be an explosion but it was just
a fire. If I was on an oil platform that was on fire I might jump
overboard too. What is surprising is that they didn't have a life
boat. Maybe Steve can shed some light on that.

So, a fire ball isn't an explosion? That's just loony. It absolutely was
an
explosion. The system FAILED. People went in the water and people were
injured.


No it isn't. "Explosion" implies a shock wave and blast effect. In
fact most real explosions do not have a fire ball. They use explosives
to put out fires.

Wow... so, I guess they didn't need to jump into the water and Bloomberg,
the LA Times, Reuters, AOLnews, and untold others are just making it up.

No mention of shock wave here... so are you making things up?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/explosion

Didn't have or didn't use a life boat? That's an example of the system
working????


Just like all the explosion stories and the mile long oil slick
stories the press has consistently got this wrong. (according to the
Coast Guard) I think I will wait to hear what really happened before I
let my knee jerk.



There was an oil slick, but it wasn't from the BOP and well. It was from the
platform most-likely, as several sources have asserted. I have no idea when
or if your knee is going to jerk. That would be your business.

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On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 16:43:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

So, a fire ball isn't an explosion? That's just loony. It absolutely was
an
explosion. The system FAILED. People went in the water and people were
injured.


No it isn't. "Explosion" implies a shock wave and blast effect. In
fact most real explosions do not have a fire ball. They use explosives
to put out fires.

Wow... so, I guess they didn't need to jump into the water and Bloomberg,
the LA Times, Reuters, AOLnews, and untold others are just making it up.

A fire is plenty of reason to abandon ship. An explosion might have
actually put the fire out. That is how they put out oil well fires.

No mention of shock wave here... so are you making things up?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/explosion


I was in ordinance for 6 years I know what an explosion is. There is a
shock wave when you have an explosion Just because an english major
does not understand this when they write a dictionary is not relevant.
You actually use the speed of the wave front to rate the power of
explosives. That is the main difference between a high explosive like
TNT and a low explosive like black powder. The word you want to google
is brisance.
From your universal reference for everything Wikipedia

"Brisance is of practical importance for determining the effectiveness
of an explosion in fragmenting shells, bomb casings, grenades,
structures, and the like. A brisant explosive is one that attains its
maximum pressure so rapidly that a shock wave is formed."

There are those words!

Firstly, you may have experience with ordinance, but that doesn't make you
knowledgeable about generic explosions and the wave form that follows any
ignition. If there is ignition, there is a wave formed.

The reference you gave is for explosive ordinance, not ignition. Try again.


Didn't have or didn't use a life boat? That's an example of the system
working????


Just like all the explosion stories and the mile long oil slick
stories the press has consistently got this wrong. (according to the
Coast Guard) I think I will wait to hear what really happened before I
let my knee jerk.



There was an oil slick, but it wasn't from the BOP and well. It was from
the
platform most-likely, as several sources have asserted. I have no idea
when
or if your knee is going to jerk. That would be your business.

I guess I just believe the USCG report. They don't have an axe to
grind or newspapers to sell.

Feel free to read into whatever report you want. The facts on the ground
showed a slick. It was determined not be from the well, but rather from the
platform.

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On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 16:43:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No mention of shock wave here... so are you making things up?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/explosion

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Carefully read the second sentence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosion

No shockwave, no explosion.

On the other hand I'm sure you got your money's worth with the free
dictionary.

How is that sailboat purchase coming along?

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On 9/5/10 11:26 AM, Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:49:06 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Why not read the USCG reports that say no explosion and no oil spill?
They were onsite, not 3,000 miles away, sitting on an agenda.
Oh, so it was just a huge fireball, unless you're claiming the
photos are
doctored.

You live too close to Hollywood. Fireballs are not explosions, no
matter what you see on TV.


Oh come on! 13 people went into the water. It wasn't some simple
fire-extinguisher fire. There were injuries. It was certainly
classified as an explosion.


You can have a huge fire without an explosion. They may have abandoned
ship because they thought there might be an explosion but it was just
a fire. If I was on an oil platform that was on fire I might jump
overboard too. What is surprising is that they didn't have a life
boat. Maybe Steve can shed some light on that.

There are plenty of news reports saying they couldn't get to the
lifeboats. No reason to be surprised about "no lifeboat."
Probably scared by the explosion and fire, or it was centered near the
lifeboat station and they didn't want to go there.
I think every news account I've seen mentions "explosion."
You can argue about the definition of "explosion."
Some say Mentos in coke bottle qualifies.
They all had survival suits on, so I expect evacuation procedure is to
don the suit before mustering at the lifeboat.
There's probably a pdf out there on the nets with an oil rig evacuation
procedure.
But there were no safety violations on that rig.
It was a simple act of God.
Explosion, fire, jumping 50' into the sea is just all part of a days
work for oil rig workers.
They're tough guys who put their fate into the hands of God.
Don't need no safety procedures.
Just ask them.

Jim - Speculate until proven wrong, then go into denial mode.


Hertvik,
It is great to see you back.

Whose wife is he going to call this time?

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On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:02:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If there is ignition, there is a wave formed.

Absolutely incorrect.

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On 9/5/10 11:22 PM, BAR wrote:
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On 9/5/10 11:26 AM, Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:49:06 -0700,
wrote:

Why not read the USCG reports that say no explosion and no oil spill?
They were onsite, not 3,000 miles away, sitting on an agenda.
Oh, so it was just a huge fireball, unless you're claiming the
photos are
doctored.

You live too close to Hollywood. Fireballs are not explosions, no
matter what you see on TV.


Oh come on! 13 people went into the water. It wasn't some simple
fire-extinguisher fire. There were injuries. It was certainly
classified as an explosion.


You can have a huge fire without an explosion. They may have abandoned
ship because they thought there might be an explosion but it was just
a fire. If I was on an oil platform that was on fire I might jump
overboard too. What is surprising is that they didn't have a life
boat. Maybe Steve can shed some light on that.

There are plenty of news reports saying they couldn't get to the
lifeboats. No reason to be surprised about "no lifeboat."
Probably scared by the explosion and fire, or it was centered near the
lifeboat station and they didn't want to go there.
I think every news account I've seen mentions "explosion."
You can argue about the definition of "explosion."
Some say Mentos in coke bottle qualifies.
They all had survival suits on, so I expect evacuation procedure is to
don the suit before mustering at the lifeboat.
There's probably a pdf out there on the nets with an oil rig evacuation
procedure.
But there were no safety violations on that rig.
It was a simple act of God.
Explosion, fire, jumping 50' into the sea is just all part of a days
work for oil rig workers.
They're tough guys who put their fate into the hands of God.
Don't need no safety procedures.
Just ask them.

Jim - Speculate until proven wrong, then go into denial mode.


Hertvik,
It is great to see you back.

Whose wife is he going to call this time?


Look you stupid little ****, JohnH deserved that phone call. He asked
for it.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:02:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If there is ignition, there is a wave formed.

Absolutely incorrect.


I guess you never heard of pre-ignition, like in a car. The ignition of the
gas causes a shock wave, which is a ping.

Here's one I doubt you've heard of...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20663374

How about shock waves from an earthquake? No explosion there.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 16:43:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

No mention of shock wave here... so are you making things up?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/explosion

=======

Carefully read the second sentence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosion

No shockwave, no explosion.

On the other hand I'm sure you got your money's worth with the free
dictionary.

How is that sailboat purchase coming along?


Just fine. We're edging closer to a decision.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:02:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If there is ignition, there is a wave formed.

Absolutely incorrect.


Like you said before, she's reading from a Wiki. If you want to play her
game you need to quote a Wiki that contradicts her Wiki.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:02:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If there is ignition, there is a wave formed.

Absolutely incorrect.


Good answer. No need to elaborate.

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"Jim" wrote

Don't need no safety procedures.
Just ask them.

Jim - Speculate until proven wrong, then go into denial mode.

Men who work in the oilfield with that attitude make up the statistics of
injured/fatal workplace accidents. They ARE a tough crew, but even the
toughest stupidest man I met out there knows that he has a better shot at
going at it with the safety equipment than his own way. There are
situations where one's escape route is cut off, etc, and in those cases,
these men have no problem jumping 100' down to the water, even those with a
fear of heights. They can make that split second decision to fry or swim.
Believe me, any man who has been on a rig for more than a month has seen
what doing one's own thing can do versus following the book, and knows the
right path.

In every post accident analysis, there are always guys who did not do the
"right" thing, and sometimes they come out of it, and sometimes they don't.
And then sometimes there's nothing that can save you.

Steve

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I was in ordinance for 6 years I know what an explosion is.

I set a lot of shaped charges and PETN cord charges. Seen them go off and
what they can do. Seen perforating guns go off on deck.

It is difficult to explain to someone who has only seen it on television
from Hollywood what the difference is. Every Hollywood explosion has the
gratuitous fireball, even explosions that in real life would produce no
similar visuals.

Even the public demolitions use explosives, but they are wrapped and
contained and muffled so much. An equal discharge of the same amount of
explosives at the same site above ground and uncontained would shatter a lot
of glass and eardrums. Set off 10# of buried TNT. Boomph! Set off ten
pounds of TNT on a ten foot tower. BLAM!

But what we see on TV and movies makes us all experts.

Steve

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Escape capsules are mandatory.

Oilfield platform escape capsules are self contained. They seal. They have
an internal compressed air supply for the passengers. There is a compressed
air supply for the engine so that it can drive through burning oil. There
is a pump that sprays seawater over the top of the capsule. They have a
decent range to get out away from the fire.

just an added addendum....

Steve

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"Harry ¿" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:02:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If there is ignition, there is a wave formed.

Absolutely incorrect.


Like you said before, she's reading from a Wiki. If you want to play her
game you need to quote a Wiki that contradicts her Wiki.

Like I said before, you're not much of a man.

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"Harry ¿" wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 20:02:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

If there is ignition, there is a wave formed.

Absolutely incorrect.


Good answer. No need to elaborate.

Moron response from a mini-man.

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Drill baby drill
Burn baby burn
Lie baby lie


This may actually be an example of the system working.
If the reports are right there were no fatalities and no oil was
spilled. That is better than the normal drive time experience in your
major city. Oil rig worker is a safer job than cab driver

There's a mile-long slick, according the news. An explosion is the
"system
working"???


Knee jerk reaction. No oil escaped. You are a moron.

In any case, the "system" didn't work. When the "system" works, there's no
fire, explosion, and people in the water.


Right, every job on the planet should be 100% safe. No risk of injury.
Never. I guess the unions will make teachers wear gloves to avoid paper
cuts?

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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/02/rescue-efforts-underway-after-oil-rig-accident-in-gulf/?hpt=T2

Drill baby drill
Burn baby burn
Lie baby lie


This may actually be an example of the system working.
If the reports are right there were no fatalities and no oil was
spilled. That is better than the normal drive time experience in
your
major city. Oil rig worker is a safer job than cab driver

There's a mile-long slick, according the news. An explosion is the
"system
working"???


Knee jerk reaction. No oil escaped. You are a moron.

In any case, the "system" didn't work. When the "system" works, there's
no
fire, explosion, and people in the water.


Right, every job on the planet should be 100% safe. No risk of injury.
Never. I guess the unions will make teachers wear gloves to avoid paper
cuts?

Please show me where I said that. I guess you're incapable of rational
thought.