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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:17:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

They were on a generator for 2 months. They called it "feeding the
monster"

I didn't realize you can afford a generator on a minimum wage income.

Maybe those people should not live in a hurricane zone. Fortunately
the price of the real estate usually precludes most minimum wage
people. New Orleans was just an aberration, perhaps the most dangerous
city in the country ... but we all knew that. It had been a recurring
warning for many years before Katrina. They just lived, and continue
to live in denial. There won't be any significant difference if a Cat
3 hit them next week. The only thing better will be that 100,000 of
those people did not come back. It will still be a disaster.

The poor people living in NOLA are not living in denial. They're living the
"American dream" (according the right-wing).

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:17:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

They were on a generator for 2 months. They called it "feeding the
monster"

I didn't realize you can afford a generator on a minimum wage income.

Maybe those people should not live in a hurricane zone. Fortunately
the price of the real estate usually precludes most minimum wage
people. New Orleans was just an aberration, perhaps the most dangerous
city in the country ... but we all knew that. It had been a recurring
warning for many years before Katrina. They just lived, and continue
to live in denial. There won't be any significant difference if a Cat
3 hit them next week. The only thing better will be that 100,000 of
those people did not come back. It will still be a disaster.

The poor people living in NOLA are not living in denial. They're living
the "American dream" (according the right-wing).



They are living the lazy, suck at the government teat. Obama, should have
told them to get off their lazy asses and clean up the crap on the streets.
Does not cost money, just work and time. And since most are unemployed,
they should have lots of time. Every place else where a natural disaster
hit here in the USA, has cleaned up their neighborhood. I went there for
Habitat for Humanity in April after the storm. Went to Slidell. About 40
miles away. lots of empty buildings and short hours at the restaurants as
there was a lack of labor. $10.50 an hour at McD's and a$500 bonus for
staying 3 months. But anybody that was able bodied was making at least $25
an hour as a roofer, carpenter or day labor. They had cleaned up most of
the stuff and piled the trash in large piles waiting for a scoop loader and
truck to take it away. NOLA was still a trash heap. Why were not the
people there cleaning up their hood? Waiting for FEMA to do the work?
Waiting for some government entity to hire them at $50 an hour to clean up
their own yards? It was the most dangerous city in the country before the
storm. Only reason it did not show up on the FBI crime stats as they were
15,000 people under the cutoff for cities to be listed. Lots of those who
left have brought up the crime level at their destination cities. Ask
Houston how they like the NOLA refugees.

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:16:40 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:17:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

They were on a generator for 2 months. They called it "feeding the
monster"

I didn't realize you can afford a generator on a minimum wage income.

Maybe those people should not live in a hurricane zone. Fortunately
the price of the real estate usually precludes most minimum wage
people. New Orleans was just an aberration, perhaps the most dangerous
city in the country ... but we all knew that. It had been a recurring
warning for many years before Katrina. They just lived, and continue
to live in denial. There won't be any significant difference if a Cat
3 hit them next week. The only thing better will be that 100,000 of
those people did not come back. It will still be a disaster.

Maybe the New Orleans folks should all move to Mississippi. Those folks, with a
little Republican leadership, got their act together and fixed things. The NO
folks, five years later, are still whining about what the government is not
doing for them.

Today's news talked about the corrupt government and corrupt police force.
Wonder if there's any union folks in either?
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:45:39 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:07:51 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:03:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:11:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
news On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:11:09 -0400, BAR wrote:

That was the problem in New Orleans. How do you come up with a
millions bottles of water in a few hours and then do it again
tomorrow, and then the day after.

It's their fault if they run out. All those banker types need our
help!!

I was really referring to the problem with supplying New Orleans after
the storm but I will accept your answer ;-)

Logistics, its all about logistics.

Do you get the winter clothing sent in May or September?

That is why they always say we better expect it to take a week before
we get any meaningful help from the outside world. You can't really
stockpile supplies locally because nobody knows where the storm will
hit until after it does. NOAA guesses are still only 5 days out max.
You also need to stockpile the supplies away from the areas that will
need them. You don't want your warehouse blown up in the storm. It
takes a while to mobilize the transport for this stuff.

And, all of this is the responsibility of the poor who are living
day-to-day. Basically, that's what you're saying.



I am just saying it is beyond the capability of any government to show
up in 4 hours (or even 40 hours) with a million bottles of water. That
seemed to be what everyone expected

It is amazing the number of people who are so helpless and want to stay
helpless.

It's called a lack of personal responsibility. The liberals *need* them to be
helpless so they can continue to pretend they're holding out the hand of help.

It's not really the liberals that subscribe to this, it's the
progressives like harry, bonnie, pubic etc.

I make no distinction. 'Progressive' is just a name liberals adopted because
'liberal' leaves a bad taste in the mouths of so many people.

There is a huge difference...

Nope. They're pretty much the same. There are some decent Democrats, but they
don't call themselves liberals or progressives. A 'progressive' is a liberal who
doesn't like the name.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

"John H" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:45:39 -0400, I am Tosk

wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:07:51 -0400, I am Tosk

wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:03:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:11:35 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


wrote in message
news On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:11:09 -0400, BAR wrote:

That was the problem in New Orleans. How do you come up
with a
millions bottles of water in a few hours and then do it
again
tomorrow, and then the day after.

It's their fault if they run out. All those banker types
need our
help!!

I was really referring to the problem with supplying New
Orleans after
the storm but I will accept your answer ;-)

Logistics, its all about logistics.

Do you get the winter clothing sent in May or September?

That is why they always say we better expect it to take a week
before
we get any meaningful help from the outside world. You can't
really
stockpile supplies locally because nobody knows where the storm
will
hit until after it does. NOAA guesses are still only 5 days out
max.
You also need to stockpile the supplies away from the areas
that will
need them. You don't want your warehouse blown up in the storm.
It
takes a while to mobilize the transport for this stuff.

And, all of this is the responsibility of the poor who are living
day-to-day. Basically, that's what you're saying.



I am just saying it is beyond the capability of any government to
show
up in 4 hours (or even 40 hours) with a million bottles of water.
That
seemed to be what everyone expected

It is amazing the number of people who are so helpless and want to
stay
helpless.

It's called a lack of personal responsibility. The liberals *need*
them to be
helpless so they can continue to pretend they're holding out the hand
of help.

It's not really the liberals that subscribe to this, it's the
progressives like harry, bonnie, pubic etc.

I make no distinction. 'Progressive' is just a name liberals adopted
because
'liberal' leaves a bad taste in the mouths of so many people.

There is a huge difference...

Nope. They're pretty much the same. There are some decent Democrats, but
they
don't call themselves liberals or progressives. A 'progressive' is a
liberal who
doesn't like the name.
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

Coming from a racist and a liar... yes, there's a difference between those
two things, but it's a difference without a distinction.

"Califbill" wrote in message
m...


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:17:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

They were on a generator for 2 months. They called it "feeding the
monster"

I didn't realize you can afford a generator on a minimum wage income.

Maybe those people should not live in a hurricane zone. Fortunately
the price of the real estate usually precludes most minimum wage
people. New Orleans was just an aberration, perhaps the most dangerous
city in the country ... but we all knew that. It had been a recurring
warning for many years before Katrina. They just lived, and continue
to live in denial. There won't be any significant difference if a Cat
3 hit them next week. The only thing better will be that 100,000 of
those people did not come back. It will still be a disaster.

The poor people living in NOLA are not living in denial. They're living
the "American dream" (according the right-wing).



They are living the lazy, suck at the government teat. Obama, should have
told them to get off their lazy asses and clean up the crap on the
streets. Does not cost money, just work and time. And since most are
unemployed, they should have lots of time. Every place else where a
natural disaster hit here in the USA, has cleaned up their neighborhood.
I went there for Habitat for Humanity in April after the storm. Went to
Slidell. About 40 miles away. lots of empty buildings and short hours at
the restaurants as there was a lack of labor. $10.50 an hour at McD's and
a$500 bonus for staying 3 months. But anybody that was able bodied was
making at least $25 an hour as a roofer, carpenter or day labor. They had
cleaned up most of the stuff and piled the trash in large piles waiting
for a scoop loader and truck to take it away. NOLA was still a trash
heap. Why were not the people there cleaning up their hood? Waiting for
FEMA to do the work? Waiting for some government entity to hire them at
$50 an hour to clean up their own yards? It was the most dangerous city
in the country before the storm. Only reason it did not show up on the
FBI crime stats as they were 15,000 people under the cutoff for cities to
be listed. Lots of those who left have brought up the crime level at
their destination cities. Ask Houston how they like the NOLA refugees.

You sound like you're bitter about the fact that poor people need help from
time to time. Sure sounds like racism and elitism to me. You've got yours
and screw everyone else.

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:16:40 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:17:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

They were on a generator for 2 months. They called it "feeding the
monster"

I didn't realize you can afford a generator on a minimum wage income.

Maybe those people should not live in a hurricane zone. Fortunately
the price of the real estate usually precludes most minimum wage
people. New Orleans was just an aberration, perhaps the most dangerous
city in the country ... but we all knew that. It had been a recurring
warning for many years before Katrina. They just lived, and continue
to live in denial. There won't be any significant difference if a Cat
3 hit them next week. The only thing better will be that 100,000 of
those people did not come back. It will still be a disaster.

Maybe the New Orleans folks should all move to Mississippi. Those folks,
with a
little Republican leadership, got their act together and fixed things. The
NO
folks, five years later, are still whining about what the government is
not
doing for them.

Today's news talked about the corrupt government and corrupt police force.
Wonder if there's any union folks in either?
--
John H

All decisions are the result of binary thinking.

Maybe you should move to China with Nuckles.

On Aug 24, 11:47*am, Secular Humanist wrote:
On 8/24/10 12:31 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:





"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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On Aug 24, 2:16 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:36:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:40:32 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The wetlands had absolutely NOTHING to do with it. The water came
from
Lake Pontchartrain, a direct connection to the Gulf.
Those were the levees that failed. Have you ever been to New Orleans
or seen a map of the area. The places that flooded were on the lake
and the industrial canal.

It's a pretty well-known fact that the wetlands surrounding the entire
area
have been degraded to the point that they're no long viable to dampen
storm
surge. Sure. The water came from the lake. Where do you think the
water in
the lake came from on that fateful occasion?

Look at a map. Then learn a little about the Coriolis effect and low
pressure systems.

Ponchartrain is north of New Orleans, the wetlands are south. If you
look at your map, look at the path of the storm, east of New Orleans
and understand the wind circles counter clockwise around a low you see
the water circling around the peninsula and into the inlet that feeds
Ponchartrain. The lake level rose and overtopped the levees north of
the city along with the industria canal that goes south from the lake
and that was the area where the flooding started. Once it started, the
bowl simply filled up.

Who supplies the dirt, money, etc.?

The same people who underwrite their flood insurance You and Me

BTW nobody would supply my dirt if I had to rebuild my house
under the
same circumstances and I would be doing it at the point of a
government gun.

The gun is owned by you and I. If you don't like it, vote for another
Congressman or Senator.

I do and it doesn't change. I can never fight the billion dollars fat
cats pump into our political system every year.

The community Judy built required over 4 feet of dirt to be
brought in
over the whole development, just for the road surface height
and the
houses were 3 feet above that on a stem wall.

The rich (certainly better off) community...

If you were poor you would have to follow the same laws, everywhere
but NOLA

You know that's not the case. There are almost always differences
in regs
and enforcement, depending upon the situation/location.

I don't know of anywhere else where the FEMA elevation rules do not
apply. It certainly is not being ignored in Florida. We have written
it into our building codes.
I wonder how these people can get a mortgage without flood insurance
and how is FEMA writing insurance on a home that was rebuilt below sea
level?

Assuming the facts are correct, it was the storm surge that caused
the levee
damage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects...in_New_Orleans

Very good, D'Plume. And what does that have to do with "...I wonder
how these people can get a mortgage without flood insurance and how is
FEMA writing insurance on a home that was rebuilt below sea level?"

What do you have to do with intelligent discourse?

TopBass = TopAsshole.

Thank you Herr Krause. Coming from you that is an ultimate compliment!

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:23:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

You sound like you're bitter about the fact that poor people need help from
time to time. Sure sounds like racism and elitism to me.

It is improper to lump all of the poor together in one category. Some
are much more deserving and/or needier than others, and that has
nothing to do with race or ethnicity.

Something else to think about: Have you ever considered that it is
impossible to eliminate poverty? We define poverty rather
arbitrarily as some statistical percentage of the population. That
percentage never goes away no matter what.

"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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On Aug 24, 11:47 am, Secular Humanist wrote:
On 8/24/10 12:31 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:





"TopBassDog" wrote in message
...
On Aug 24, 2:16 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:36:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:40:32 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The wetlands had absolutely NOTHING to do with it. The water came
from
Lake Pontchartrain, a direct connection to the Gulf.
Those were the levees that failed. Have you ever been to New
Orleans
or seen a map of the area. The places that flooded were on the
lake
and the industrial canal.

It's a pretty well-known fact that the wetlands surrounding the
entire
area
have been degraded to the point that they're no long viable to
dampen
storm
surge. Sure. The water came from the lake. Where do you think the
water in
the lake came from on that fateful occasion?

Look at a map. Then learn a little about the Coriolis effect and
low
pressure systems.

Ponchartrain is north of New Orleans, the wetlands are south. If
you
look at your map, look at the path of the storm, east of New
Orleans
and understand the wind circles counter clockwise around a low you
see
the water circling around the peninsula and into the inlet that
feeds
Ponchartrain. The lake level rose and overtopped the levees north
of
the city along with the industria canal that goes south from the
lake
and that was the area where the flooding started. Once it started,
the
bowl simply filled up.

Who supplies the dirt, money, etc.?

The same people who underwrite their flood insurance You and Me

BTW nobody would supply my dirt if I had to rebuild my house
under the
same circumstances and I would be doing it at the point of a
government gun.

The gun is owned by you and I. If you don't like it, vote for
another
Congressman or Senator.

I do and it doesn't change. I can never fight the billion dollars
fat
cats pump into our political system every year.

The community Judy built required over 4 feet of dirt to be
brought in
over the whole development, just for the road surface height
and the
houses were 3 feet above that on a stem wall.

The rich (certainly better off) community...

If you were poor you would have to follow the same laws,
everywhere
but NOLA

You know that's not the case. There are almost always differences
in regs
and enforcement, depending upon the situation/location.

I don't know of anywhere else where the FEMA elevation rules do not
apply. It certainly is not being ignored in Florida. We have
written
it into our building codes.
I wonder how these people can get a mortgage without flood
insurance
and how is FEMA writing insurance on a home that was rebuilt below
sea
level?

Assuming the facts are correct, it was the storm surge that caused
the levee
damage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects...in_New_Orleans

Very good, D'Plume. And what does that have to do with "...I wonder
how these people can get a mortgage without flood insurance and how is
FEMA writing insurance on a home that was rebuilt below sea level?"

What do you have to do with intelligent discourse?

TopBass = TopAsshole.

Thank you Herr Krause. Coming from you that is an ultimate compliment!


Just think....he could have called you TopDumbFoch. He must be off his game
today.