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Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. |
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... Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. - The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. Did anything like that happen to you when you were in the military? -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:17:57 -0400, "Harry ?" wrote: "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. Did anything like that happen to you when you were in the military? Only in boot camp. We were marched off to church every sunday It was voluntary at Navy RTC San Diego in the late 70s when I was there. |
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On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote:
Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. |
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m... On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. With the evangelicals, there'd be a lot less human heads rolling around in the streets. Your choice. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:13:03 -0400, BAR wrote: In article m, says... wrote in message ... On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:17:57 -0400, "Harry ?" wrote: "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. Did anything like that happen to you when you were in the military? Only in boot camp. We were marched off to church every sunday It was voluntary at Navy RTC San Diego in the late 70s when I was there. My DI's at Parris Island told us to give our hearts to Jesus because our asses belonged to them. Were truer word ever spoken? |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:13:03 -0400, BAR wrote: In article m, says... wrote in message ... On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:17:57 -0400, "Harry ?" wrote: "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. Did anything like that happen to you when you were in the military? Only in boot camp. We were marched off to church every sunday It was voluntary at Navy RTC San Diego in the late 70s when I was there. My DI's at Parris Island told us to give our hearts to Jesus because our asses belonged to them. In 65 it was less than voluntary in boot camp. If you didn't want to go to church they would find something for you to do that would make you talk to god ... ... even if it was only to have him damn the grease trap you were cleaning out. ;-) In real life it was a peaceful hour or two in air conditioned space. As I remember it was a couple hours without getting yelled at. Good thing we did all that before we found true love and got married. That mean assed ol company commander couldn't hold a candle to a ****ed off wife. We just wouldn't be impressed anymore. |
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On 8/21/10 2:13 PM, BAR wrote:
In ting.com, says... wrote in message ... On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:17:57 -0400, "Harry ?" wrote: "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. Did anything like that happen to you when you were in the military? Only in boot camp. We were marched off to church every sunday It was voluntary at Navy RTC San Diego in the late 70s when I was there. My DI's at Parris Island told us to give our hearts to Jesus because our asses belonged to them. No doubt you gave up your ass quickly and willingly. This and the more extreme examples of the military forcing religion on its personnel provide add'l evidence of the corruption of the institution. |
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m... On 8/21/10 2:13 PM, BAR wrote: In ting.com, says... wrote in message ... On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:17:57 -0400, "Harry ?" wrote: "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. Did anything like that happen to you when you were in the military? Only in boot camp. We were marched off to church every sunday It was voluntary at Navy RTC San Diego in the late 70s when I was there. My DI's at Parris Island told us to give our hearts to Jesus because our asses belonged to them. No doubt you gave up your ass quickly and willingly. This and the more extreme examples of the military forcing religion on its personnel provide add'l evidence of the corruption of the institution. Thank god you were spared. Praise the lord. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular Humanist
wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these institutional evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is anything other than crusaders for Jesus? Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists? Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet. |
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On 8/22/10 3:14 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these institutional evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is anything other than crusaders for Jesus? Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists? Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet. Now, if we could get all the christian fundies and islamic fundies to kill each other on one isolated battlefield somewhere...say, in texas...south carolina...some really backwards state... :) |
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On 8/22/10 1:35 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 8/21/2010 1:22 PM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Huge difference. Never heard of evangelicals chopping heads off or torching a person for being an "infidel". Arranged marriage of children, female/child mutilation and other things seem absent with evangelicals. Nope, Taliban are a bread out of a barbaric medieval past for sure. But agree in that religious conversion of others is often the root of religious problems in achieving peace. The other being a ego maniac sociopath wanting totalitarian and fascist power over others. You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages? If not, then you haven't spent any quality time studying history. And you don't have to go back to medieval times for examples. |
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On 8/22/10 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 8/22/2010 4:37 AM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/22/10 3:14 AM, jps wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these institutional evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is anything other than crusaders for Jesus? Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists? Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet. Now, if we could get all the christian fundies and islamic fundies to kill each other on one isolated battlefield somewhere...say, in texas...south carolina...some really backwards state... :) Or better yet, put all their leaders on island somewhere with weapons all over the place. But does bring up a point, perhaps time for a world wide law banning the teaching of slavery, beheading, hate, intolerance under the guise of a cult/religion? Start who scale executing violators? A world-wide law? I thought you righties were against that. You better check with Palin-Bachmann-Gingrich or you won't be welcome at the next teabagger confab. |
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On 8/22/10 1:49 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 8/22/2010 12:14 AM, jps wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these institutional evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is anything other than crusaders for Jesus? Perhaps your view. I am not religious but I support being there. I think humanity needs to exterminate radical Islam/Taliban like vermin. See the time cover in the last week or two for an idea of why. You don't have to be religious to want people to live peaceful and women to live as free people. Or as you suggest, we lay back and ignore school girls getting acid in the faces for wanting to become literate? Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists? Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet. You can think of it as Jesus if you want, I think of it as social evolution to a better society. Sooner or later Islam/Muslims will get nukes and use them. Many are religious crazy to a point of a evil cult and propel the violence and carnage. We as a species are doomed if we can't eradicate such cults and deal with it. As even Islam/Muslim will kill like Nazi if given a chance. Iran/Iraq war, 500,000 dead and millions more wounded. To ignore the Islam/Muslim threat is asking for WW III. Just like Chamberlain's "peace with honor" BS. Head in the sand. Why not round up a crew here - herring, the right-wing ID spoofers, larry, BAR, et cetera - and go over to Pakistan and eradicate some fundie muslims. That way, we would be rid of a few radical muslims and a handful of right-wing nutcases from rec.boats |
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On 8/21/2010 1:22 PM, Secular Humanist wrote:
On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Huge difference. Never heard of evangelicals chopping heads off or torching a person for being an "infidel". Arranged marriage of children, female/child mutilation and other things seem absent with evangelicals. Nope, Taliban are a bread out of a barbaric medieval past for sure. But agree in that religious conversion of others is often the root of religious problems in achieving peace. The other being a ego maniac sociopath wanting totalitarian and fascist power over others. -- Is government working for you, or are you working for the government? |
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On 8/22/2010 12:14 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these institutional evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is anything other than crusaders for Jesus? Perhaps your view. I am not religious but I support being there. I think humanity needs to exterminate radical Islam/Taliban like vermin. See the time cover in the last week or two for an idea of why. You don't have to be religious to want people to live peaceful and women to live as free people. Or as you suggest, we lay back and ignore school girls getting acid in the faces for wanting to become literate? Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists? Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet. You can think of it as Jesus if you want, I think of it as social evolution to a better society. Sooner or later Islam/Muslims will get nukes and use them. Many are religious crazy to a point of a evil cult and propel the violence and carnage. We as a species are doomed if we can't eradicate such cults and deal with it. As even Islam/Muslim will kill like Nazi if given a chance. Iran/Iraq war, 500,000 dead and millions more wounded. To ignore the Islam/Muslim threat is asking for WW III. Just like Chamberlain's "peace with honor" BS. Head in the sand. -- Is government working for you, or are you working for the government? |
Our Christian Country
On 8/22/2010 4:37 AM, Secular Humanist wrote:
On 8/22/10 3:14 AM, jps wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these institutional evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is anything other than crusaders for Jesus? Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists? Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet. Now, if we could get all the christian fundies and islamic fundies to kill each other on one isolated battlefield somewhere...say, in texas...south carolina...some really backwards state... :) Or better yet, put all their leaders on island somewhere with weapons all over the place. But does bring up a point, perhaps time for a world wide law banning the teaching of slavery, beheading, hate, intolerance under the guise of a cult/religion? Start who scale executing violators? -- Is government working for you, or are you working for the government? |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:44:38 -0400, Secular Humanist
wrote: You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages? at this moment in uganda, christians are supporting laws that would impose the death penalty for being gay or not reporting those who are. |
Our Christian Country
On 8/22/10 2:14 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:44:38 -0400, Secular Humanist wrote: You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages? at this moment in uganda, christians are supporting laws that would impose the death penalty for being gay or not reporting those who are. Many prominent Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s loudly proclaimed their christianity, even as they sent millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals and physically and emotionally challenged to their death camps. In 1933, Hitler stated: "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life." Adolf Hitler. (1941). My New Order. New York: Reynal & Hitchcock, p. 144. Yep...those christian family values...gave us Auschwitz, Chełmno, Bełżec, Majdanek, Sobibór, and Treblinka, There is of course plenty of historical documentation about jews slaughtered and otherwise mistreated by christians going back thousands of years. So, what's the difference if you are killed by an overzealous christian or an overzealous muslim? You're just as dead. |
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On 8/22/10 6:46 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 8/22/2010 9:54 AM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/22/10 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 8/22/2010 4:37 AM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/22/10 3:14 AM, jps wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these institutional evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is anything other than crusaders for Jesus? Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists? Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet. Now, if we could get all the christian fundies and islamic fundies to kill each other on one isolated battlefield somewhere...say, in texas...south carolina...some really backwards state... :) Or better yet, put all their leaders on island somewhere with weapons all over the place. But does bring up a point, perhaps time for a world wide law banning the teaching of slavery, beheading, hate, intolerance under the guise of a cult/religion? Start who scale executing violators? A world-wide law? I thought you righties were against that. You better check with Palin-Bachmann-Gingrich or you won't be welcome at the next teabagger confab. You don't have to be a rightie/Tea Party to want basic human rights. In fact, being less for big government is part of keeping freedoms. A world-wide law implies more law. I cut your moronic right-wing palaver as not relevant to your desire for more law. |
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On 8/22/10 6:48 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 8/22/2010 9:56 AM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/22/10 1:49 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 8/22/2010 12:14 AM, jps wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these institutional evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is anything other than crusaders for Jesus? Perhaps your view. I am not religious but I support being there. I think humanity needs to exterminate radical Islam/Taliban like vermin. See the time cover in the last week or two for an idea of why. You don't have to be religious to want people to live peaceful and women to live as free people. Or as you suggest, we lay back and ignore school girls getting acid in the faces for wanting to become literate? Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists? Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet. You can think of it as Jesus if you want, I think of it as social evolution to a better society. Sooner or later Islam/Muslims will get nukes and use them. Many are religious crazy to a point of a evil cult and propel the violence and carnage. We as a species are doomed if we can't eradicate such cults and deal with it. As even Islam/Muslim will kill like Nazi if given a chance. Iran/Iraq war, 500,000 dead and millions more wounded. To ignore the Islam/Muslim threat is asking for WW III. Just like Chamberlain's "peace with honor" BS. Head in the sand. Why not round up a crew here - herring, the right-wing ID spoofers, larry, BAR, et cetera - and go over to Pakistan and eradicate some fundie muslims. That way, we would be rid of a few radical muslims and a handful of right-wing nutcases from rec.boats Why not send over a ICBM? Cheaper and faster for the statism lovers. Me, I would just leave Pakistan alone to stew in it's own juices. No aid, just leave them be. Eventually they will exterminate themselves if left to medieval Sharia/Islam. There's nothing quite like you christian humanitarians. I propose a solution that does all sides good...and you propose annihilation. We simply need to get rid of the christian and muslim right wing fundies. Let them spill their blood on each other. Without the mullahs and the palin-becks-limbaughs to fire up the simple-minded, those of us who remain will figure out how to get along. |
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On 8/22/10 6:58 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 8/22/2010 9:44 AM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/22/10 1:35 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 8/21/2010 1:22 PM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Huge difference. Never heard of evangelicals chopping heads off or torching a person for being an "infidel". Arranged marriage of children, female/child mutilation and other things seem absent with evangelicals. Nope, Taliban are a bread out of a barbaric medieval past for sure. But agree in that religious conversion of others is often the root of religious problems in achieving peace. The other being a ego maniac sociopath wanting totalitarian and fascist power over others. You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages? If not, then you haven't spent any quality time studying history. And you don't have to go back to medieval times for examples. Not since Salem witch trials. Sort of evolved since then. Unlike Islam that is stuck in the past. But given the Islam way is to keep literacy down, especially for the women it is really a subversive cult. And in recent times, never saw a Christian family woman get stoned, beheaded or mutilated because of "religion", because the perp is a psychopath and not a Christian. I am not really religious at all, close to atheist but really agnostic. But raised a practicing protestant I did read the bible a few times. And I have read translated versions of the Koran... they don't compare one bit as to the benefit to a civilized society. You apparently are unaware of how many of the top leaders of fascist Germany and Italy were christians. |
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On 8/22/2010 9:54 AM, Secular Humanist wrote:
On 8/22/10 1:51 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 8/22/2010 4:37 AM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/22/10 3:14 AM, jps wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these institutional evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is anything other than crusaders for Jesus? Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists? Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet. Now, if we could get all the christian fundies and islamic fundies to kill each other on one isolated battlefield somewhere...say, in texas...south carolina...some really backwards state... :) Or better yet, put all their leaders on island somewhere with weapons all over the place. But does bring up a point, perhaps time for a world wide law banning the teaching of slavery, beheading, hate, intolerance under the guise of a cult/religion? Start who scale executing violators? A world-wide law? I thought you righties were against that. You better check with Palin-Bachmann-Gingrich or you won't be welcome at the next teabagger confab. You don't have to be a rightie/Tea Party to want basic human rights. In fact, being less for big government is part of keeping freedoms. In fact, nothing at all impedes the rights of others from the Tea Party. You get more rights. If you want employment insurance, buy it. If you don't, don't. The choice is yours. But with big fat government they tax you be you like it or not. In fact, if the governments could not borrow money and had to live inside their means and lowered taxs, we would have a lot less war and government waste on bailouts. Leaving the wealth in producers hands is good. Roads, K12 education and police for common law, good. But that is very little of overall government spending. Government is clearly too big for our common good. -- Is government working for you, or are you working for the government? |
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On 8/22/2010 9:56 AM, Secular Humanist wrote:
On 8/22/10 1:49 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 8/22/2010 12:14 AM, jps wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these institutional evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is anything other than crusaders for Jesus? Perhaps your view. I am not religious but I support being there. I think humanity needs to exterminate radical Islam/Taliban like vermin. See the time cover in the last week or two for an idea of why. You don't have to be religious to want people to live peaceful and women to live as free people. Or as you suggest, we lay back and ignore school girls getting acid in the faces for wanting to become literate? Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists? Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet. You can think of it as Jesus if you want, I think of it as social evolution to a better society. Sooner or later Islam/Muslims will get nukes and use them. Many are religious crazy to a point of a evil cult and propel the violence and carnage. We as a species are doomed if we can't eradicate such cults and deal with it. As even Islam/Muslim will kill like Nazi if given a chance. Iran/Iraq war, 500,000 dead and millions more wounded. To ignore the Islam/Muslim threat is asking for WW III. Just like Chamberlain's "peace with honor" BS. Head in the sand. Why not round up a crew here - herring, the right-wing ID spoofers, larry, BAR, et cetera - and go over to Pakistan and eradicate some fundie muslims. That way, we would be rid of a few radical muslims and a handful of right-wing nutcases from rec.boats Why not send over a ICBM? Cheaper and faster for the statism lovers. Me, I would just leave Pakistan alone to stew in it's own juices. No aid, just leave them be. Eventually they will exterminate themselves if left to medieval Sharia/Islam. -- Is government working for you, or are you working for the government? |
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On 8/22/2010 9:44 AM, Secular Humanist wrote:
On 8/22/10 1:35 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 8/21/2010 1:22 PM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Huge difference. Never heard of evangelicals chopping heads off or torching a person for being an "infidel". Arranged marriage of children, female/child mutilation and other things seem absent with evangelicals. Nope, Taliban are a bread out of a barbaric medieval past for sure. But agree in that religious conversion of others is often the root of religious problems in achieving peace. The other being a ego maniac sociopath wanting totalitarian and fascist power over others. You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages? If not, then you haven't spent any quality time studying history. And you don't have to go back to medieval times for examples. Not since Salem witch trials. Sort of evolved since then. Unlike Islam that is stuck in the past. But given the Islam way is to keep literacy down, especially for the women it is really a subversive cult. And in recent times, never saw a Christian family woman get stoned, beheaded or mutilated because of "religion", because the perp is a psychopath and not a Christian. I am not really religious at all, close to atheist but really agnostic. But raised a practicing protestant I did read the bible a few times. And I have read translated versions of the Koran... they don't compare one bit as to the benefit to a civilized society. -- Is government working for you, or are you working for the government? |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:46:24 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: You don't have to be a rightie/Tea Party to want basic human rights. In fact, being less for big government is part of keeping freedoms. anybody know what this means? conservatives love big govt...regulate women's sex lives..regulate birth control. regulate where religious groups can put houses of worship...regulate who can marry each other...regulate labor unions... regulate regulate regulate |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:03:45 -0400, Secular Humanist
wrote: You apparently are unaware of how many of the top leaders of fascist Germany and Italy were christians. dont forget our own antonin scalia. a theocratic fascist if there ever was one |
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On 8/22/10 8:28 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 8/22/2010 2:57 PM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/22/10 6:48 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 8/22/2010 9:56 AM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/22/10 1:49 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 8/22/2010 12:14 AM, jps wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these institutional evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is anything other than crusaders for Jesus? Perhaps your view. I am not religious but I support being there. I think humanity needs to exterminate radical Islam/Taliban like vermin. See the time cover in the last week or two for an idea of why. You don't have to be religious to want people to live peaceful and women to live as free people. Or as you suggest, we lay back and ignore school girls getting acid in the faces for wanting to become literate? Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists? Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet. You can think of it as Jesus if you want, I think of it as social evolution to a better society. Sooner or later Islam/Muslims will get nukes and use them. Many are religious crazy to a point of a evil cult and propel the violence and carnage. We as a species are doomed if we can't eradicate such cults and deal with it. As even Islam/Muslim will kill like Nazi if given a chance. Iran/Iraq war, 500,000 dead and millions more wounded. To ignore the Islam/Muslim threat is asking for WW III. Just like Chamberlain's "peace with honor" BS. Head in the sand. Why not round up a crew here - herring, the right-wing ID spoofers, larry, BAR, et cetera - and go over to Pakistan and eradicate some fundie muslims. That way, we would be rid of a few radical muslims and a handful of right-wing nutcases from rec.boats Why not send over a ICBM? Cheaper and faster for the statism lovers. Me, I would just leave Pakistan alone to stew in it's own juices. No aid, just leave them be. Eventually they will exterminate themselves if left to medieval Sharia/Islam. There's nothing quite like you christian humanitarians. I propose a solution that does all sides good...and you propose annihilation. We simply need to get rid of the christian and muslim right wing fundies. Let them spill their blood on each other. Without the mullahs and the palin-becks-limbaughs to fire up the simple-minded, those of us who remain will figure out how to get along. Well, there are only two choices, be invading them and set the law and start jailing them by the millions....getting rid of the cult. Or let them learn the hard way that Islam is about repression, war and suffering. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. The whole premise of demcracy is literacy, and more than 1/2 the population of Afghanistan can't read! Women can't vote... So why pretend? Hell, they can't even read the ballots. You can only help those who want help. Sometimes the hardest thing you do when you care is to let the bottom fall out then just be there to pick up the pieces. Given our forces can't tell Taliban from citizens, and so rarely do citizens warn of Taliban movements lead me to believe that the citizens are the Taliban. One in the same. Don't know much about afghanistan, eh? |
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On 8/22/2010 2:57 PM, Secular Humanist wrote:
On 8/22/10 6:48 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 8/22/2010 9:56 AM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/22/10 1:49 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 8/22/2010 12:14 AM, jps wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these institutional evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is anything other than crusaders for Jesus? Perhaps your view. I am not religious but I support being there. I think humanity needs to exterminate radical Islam/Taliban like vermin. See the time cover in the last week or two for an idea of why. You don't have to be religious to want people to live peaceful and women to live as free people. Or as you suggest, we lay back and ignore school girls getting acid in the faces for wanting to become literate? Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists? Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet. You can think of it as Jesus if you want, I think of it as social evolution to a better society. Sooner or later Islam/Muslims will get nukes and use them. Many are religious crazy to a point of a evil cult and propel the violence and carnage. We as a species are doomed if we can't eradicate such cults and deal with it. As even Islam/Muslim will kill like Nazi if given a chance. Iran/Iraq war, 500,000 dead and millions more wounded. To ignore the Islam/Muslim threat is asking for WW III. Just like Chamberlain's "peace with honor" BS. Head in the sand. Why not round up a crew here - herring, the right-wing ID spoofers, larry, BAR, et cetera - and go over to Pakistan and eradicate some fundie muslims. That way, we would be rid of a few radical muslims and a handful of right-wing nutcases from rec.boats Why not send over a ICBM? Cheaper and faster for the statism lovers. Me, I would just leave Pakistan alone to stew in it's own juices. No aid, just leave them be. Eventually they will exterminate themselves if left to medieval Sharia/Islam. There's nothing quite like you christian humanitarians. I propose a solution that does all sides good...and you propose annihilation. We simply need to get rid of the christian and muslim right wing fundies. Let them spill their blood on each other. Without the mullahs and the palin-becks-limbaughs to fire up the simple-minded, those of us who remain will figure out how to get along. Well, there are only two choices, be invading them and set the law and start jailing them by the millions....getting rid of the cult. Or let them learn the hard way that Islam is about repression, war and suffering. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. The whole premise of demcracy is literacy, and more than 1/2 the population of Afghanistan can't read! Women can't vote... So why pretend? Hell, they can't even read the ballots. You can only help those who want help. Sometimes the hardest thing you do when you care is to let the bottom fall out then just be there to pick up the pieces. Given our forces can't tell Taliban from citizens, and so rarely do citizens warn of Taliban movements lead me to believe that the citizens are the Taliban. One in the same. -- Is government working for you, or are you working for the government? |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 8/22/2010 2:57 PM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/22/10 6:48 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 8/22/2010 9:56 AM, Secular Humanist wrote: On 8/22/10 1:49 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 8/22/2010 12:14 AM, jps wrote: On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:22:35 -0400, Secular wrote: On 8/21/10 12:57 PM, jps wrote: Isn't this sweet? Iinstitutionalized Christianity in the military... RICHMOND, Va. — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. Fort Eustis spokesman Rick Haverinen told The Associated Press he couldn't comment on the specifics of the investigation. At the Pentagon, Army spokesman Col. Thomas Collins said the military shouldn't impose religious views on soldiers. "If something like that were to have happened, it would be contrary to Army policy," Collins said. Pvt. Anthony Smith said he and other soldiers felt pressured to attend the May concert while stationed at the Newport News base, home of the Army's Transportation Corps. "My whole issue was I don't need to be preached at," Smith said in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he is stationed with the National Guard. "That's not what I signed up for." Smith, 21, was stationed in Virginia for nearly seven months for helicopter electrician training when the Christian rock group BarlowGirl played as part of the "Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts." Smith said a staff sergeant told 200 men in their barracks they could either attend or remain in their barracks. Eighty to 100 decided not to attend, he said. "Instead of being released to our personal time, we were locked down," Smith said. "It seemed very much like a punishment." The Military Religious Freedom Foundation first reported on the Christian concert. The foundation said it was approached by soldiers who were punished for not attending or offended by the religious theme of the event. The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are "ubiquitous" throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward. "Whenever we see this egregious, unconstitutional religious tyranny our job is to fight it," he said. Smith said he and the other soldiers were told not to use their cell phones or personal computers and ordered to clean up the barracks. About 20 of the men, including several Muslims, refused to attend the concert based on their religious beliefs, he said. Smith said he went up the chain of command and traced the concert edict to a captain, who said he simply wanted to "show support for those kind of events that bring soldiers together." While not accepting blame, the officer apologized to the soldiers who refused to attend the concert and said it was not his intent to proselytize, he said. "But once you get in there, you realize it's evangelization," Smith said. There's little difference between these evangelicals and the taliban. The world would be far better off without either. Like the present row over the Muslim center in NY, these institutional evangelists cheapen the very foundations of our country. How could anyone looking from a third party POV assume that our military is anything other than crusaders for Jesus? Perhaps your view. I am not religious but I support being there. I think humanity needs to exterminate radical Islam/Taliban like vermin. See the time cover in the last week or two for an idea of why. You don't have to be religious to want people to live peaceful and women to live as free people. Or as you suggest, we lay back and ignore school girls getting acid in the faces for wanting to become literate? Killing in the name of Jesus? Protecting freedom in the name of Jesus? Killing Islamic fundamentalists with Christian fundamentalists? Makes me feel like we haven't made it out of the dark ages yet. You can think of it as Jesus if you want, I think of it as social evolution to a better society. Sooner or later Islam/Muslims will get nukes and use them. Many are religious crazy to a point of a evil cult and propel the violence and carnage. We as a species are doomed if we can't eradicate such cults and deal with it. As even Islam/Muslim will kill like Nazi if given a chance. Iran/Iraq war, 500,000 dead and millions more wounded. To ignore the Islam/Muslim threat is asking for WW III. Just like Chamberlain's "peace with honor" BS. Head in the sand. Why not round up a crew here - herring, the right-wing ID spoofers, larry, BAR, et cetera - and go over to Pakistan and eradicate some fundie muslims. That way, we would be rid of a few radical muslims and a handful of right-wing nutcases from rec.boats Why not send over a ICBM? Cheaper and faster for the statism lovers. Me, I would just leave Pakistan alone to stew in it's own juices. No aid, just leave them be. Eventually they will exterminate themselves if left to medieval Sharia/Islam. There's nothing quite like you christian humanitarians. I propose a solution that does all sides good...and you propose annihilation. We simply need to get rid of the christian and muslim right wing fundies. Let them spill their blood on each other. Without the mullahs and the palin-becks-limbaughs to fire up the simple-minded, those of us who remain will figure out how to get along. Well, there are only two choices, be invading them and set the law and start jailing them by the millions....getting rid of the cult. Or let them learn the hard way that Islam is about repression, war and suffering. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. The whole premise of demcracy is literacy, and more than 1/2 the population of Afghanistan can't read! Women can't vote... So why pretend? Hell, they can't even read the ballots. You can only help those who want help. Sometimes the hardest thing you do when you care is to let the bottom fall out then just be there to pick up the pieces. Given our forces can't tell Taliban from citizens, and so rarely do citizens warn of Taliban movements lead me to believe that the citizens are the Taliban. One in the same. Was talking to my cousins husband last Monday on our Cape Breton trip. This very subject came up..... his son is an experienced IED disabler. This guy lost lots of Afgan interpreters, helpers etc because the Taliban would kill then for even talking with Canadian soldiers. A lot of the Afgan citizens are afraid for their lives... most of the people giving Canadian troops trouble are from some other country. |
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"Secular Humanist" wrote in message m... On 8/23/10 7:19 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... Huge difference. Never heard of evangelicals chopping heads off or torching a person for being an "infidel". Arranged marriage of children, female/child mutilation and other things seem absent with evangelicals. Nope, Taliban are a bread out of a barbaric medieval past for sure. But agree in that religious conversion of others is often the root of religious problems in achieving peace. The other being a ego maniac sociopath wanting totalitarian and fascist power over others. You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages? If not, then you haven't spent any quality time studying history. And you don't have to go back to medieval times for examples. When was the last Christian stoning of a woman for committing adultry in the US? Which day last week did they do this in the Islamic Republic of Iran or within the Taliban infested borders of Afghanistan? Seems that one religion has advanced in their thinking over time while the other, Islam, is still living in the 7th century. When was the last christian murder of an abortion clinic doctor? When was the last christian attack on an abortion clinic? When was the last incident of sexual abuse committed by christian ministers on minors? When was the last incident of young women being forced into polygamous marriages to men three times their age? When was the last incident of christians killing muslims to accomplish ethnic cleansing? When was the last incident of christian evangelists converting tribes and villages of indigenous people and in the process killing their culture. Seems like some muslims and some christians are still living in the 7th century. Organized religion...it's time to bury it. How's that boat of yours, Bertie? :) I'm thinking that except for maybe Buddhism, most religions have this, umm, problem. |
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On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 07:19:36 -0400, BAR wrote:
When was the last Christian stoning of a woman for committing adultry in the US? Which day last week did they do this in the Islamic Republic of Iran or within the Taliban infested borders of Afghanistan? guess which country is the most christian country in africa. rwanda. know what happened there in 1994? does the number 800,000 ring a bell? |
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"Secular Humanist" wrote in message m... On 8/22/10 2:14 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:44:38 -0400, Secular Humanist wrote: You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages? at this moment in uganda, christians are supporting laws that would impose the death penalty for being gay or not reporting those who are. Many prominent Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s loudly proclaimed their christianity, even as they sent millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals and physically and emotionally challenged to their death camps. In 1933, Hitler stated: "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life." Adolf Hitler. (1941). My New Order. New York: Reynal & Hitchcock, p. 144. Yep...those christian family values...gave us Auschwitz, Chełmno, Bełżec, Majdanek, Sobibór, and Treblinka, There is of course plenty of historical documentation about jews slaughtered and otherwise mistreated by christians going back thousands of years. So, what's the difference if you are killed by an overzealous christian or an overzealous muslim? You're just as dead. Maybe Christianity in Sophistry only. Only about 50% of the death camp victims were Jewish. Lots of Catholics, Gypsies, and "social Deviants" made the one way trip. |
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"Califbill" wrote in message ... "Secular Humanist" wrote in message m... On 8/22/10 2:14 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:44:38 -0400, Secular Humanist wrote: You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages? at this moment in uganda, christians are supporting laws that would impose the death penalty for being gay or not reporting those who are. Many prominent Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s loudly proclaimed their christianity, even as they sent millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals and physically and emotionally challenged to their death camps. In 1933, Hitler stated: "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life." Adolf Hitler. (1941). My New Order. New York: Reynal & Hitchcock, p. 144. Yep...those christian family values...gave us Auschwitz, Chełmno, Bełżec, Majdanek, Sobibór, and Treblinka, There is of course plenty of historical documentation about jews slaughtered and otherwise mistreated by christians going back thousands of years. So, what's the difference if you are killed by an overzealous christian or an overzealous muslim? You're just as dead. Maybe Christianity in Sophistry only. Only about 50% of the death camp victims were Jewish. Lots of Catholics, Gypsies, and "social Deviants" made the one way trip. Nope. http://www.onwar.com/articles/0611.htm |
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On Aug 24, 2:19Â*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Califbill" wrote in message ... "Secular Humanist" wrote in message om... On 8/22/10 2:14 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:44:38 -0400, Secular Humanist Â*wrote: You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages? at this moment in uganda, christians are supporting laws that would impose the death penalty for being gay or not reporting those who are.. Many prominent Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s loudly proclaimed their christianity, even as they sent millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals and physically and emotionally challenged to their death camps. In 1933, Hitler stated: "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life." Adolf Hitler. (1941). My New Order. New York: Reynal & Hitchcock, p. 144. Yep...those christian family values...gave us Auschwitz, CheÅ‚mno, Bełżec, Majdanek, Sobibór, and Treblinka, There is of course plenty of historical documentation about jews slaughtered and otherwise mistreated by christians going back thousands of years. So, what's the difference if you are killed by an overzealous christian or an overzealous muslim? You're just as dead. Maybe Christianity in Sophistry only. Â*Only about 50% of the death camp victims were Jewish. Â*Lots of Catholics, Gypsies, and "social Deviants" made the one way trip. Nope.http://www.onwar.com/articles/0611.htm Yep. http://www.ukemonde.com/holocaust/victims.html |
Our Christian Country
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... "Califbill" wrote in message ... "Secular Humanist" wrote in message m... On 8/22/10 2:14 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:44:38 -0400, Secular Humanist wrote: You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages? at this moment in uganda, christians are supporting laws that would impose the death penalty for being gay or not reporting those who are. Many prominent Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s loudly proclaimed their christianity, even as they sent millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals and physically and emotionally challenged to their death camps. In 1933, Hitler stated: "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life." Adolf Hitler. (1941). My New Order. New York: Reynal & Hitchcock, p. 144. Yep...those christian family values...gave us Auschwitz, Chełmno, Bełżec, Majdanek, Sobibór, and Treblinka, There is of course plenty of historical documentation about jews slaughtered and otherwise mistreated by christians going back thousands of years. So, what's the difference if you are killed by an overzealous christian or an overzealous muslim? You're just as dead. Maybe Christianity in Sophistry only. Only about 50% of the death camp victims were Jewish. Lots of Catholics, Gypsies, and "social Deviants" made the one way trip. Nope. http://www.onwar.com/articles/0611.htm Not much here to refute Bills Guestimate except other guestimates that put the Jews at 80% of the total. So who is more right? Do some research and get back to us when you have solid evidence. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
Our Christian Country
"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Aug 24, 2:19 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Califbill" wrote in message ... "Secular Humanist" wrote in message om... On 8/22/10 2:14 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:44:38 -0400, Secular Humanist wrote: You haven't heard of Christians chopping off heads or setting people afire for religious reasons, eh? Or Christian arranged marriages? at this moment in uganda, christians are supporting laws that would impose the death penalty for being gay or not reporting those who are. Many prominent Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s loudly proclaimed their christianity, even as they sent millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals and physically and emotionally challenged to their death camps. In 1933, Hitler stated: "The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life." Adolf Hitler. (1941). My New Order. New York: Reynal & Hitchcock, p. 144. Yep...those christian family values...gave us Auschwitz, Chełmno, Bełżec, Majdanek, Sobibór, and Treblinka, There is of course plenty of historical documentation about jews slaughtered and otherwise mistreated by christians going back thousands of years. So, what's the difference if you are killed by an overzealous christian or an overzealous muslim? You're just as dead. Maybe Christianity in Sophistry only. Only about 50% of the death camp victims were Jewish. Lots of Catholics, Gypsies, and "social Deviants" made the one way trip. Nope.http://www.onwar.com/articles/0611.htm Yep. http://www.ukemonde.com/holocaust/victims.html Not my fault if you can't read or interpret sources. |
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