Science vs God

"Let me explain the problem science has with religion."

The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks
one of his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'

'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely '

'Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment.
'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can
cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good...!'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could.
Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does
he? My brother was a Christian who died of
cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good?
Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He
takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to
relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'

'Err..yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'

The student doesn't hesitate on this one.. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student falters. 'From God'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in
this world?'

'Yes, sir.'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything,
then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle
that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred?
Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'

'So who created them ?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question.
'Who created them?' There is still no answer.

Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The
class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you
believe in Jesus Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to
identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him.'

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'

'No, sir, I have not.'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have
you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that
matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes'
'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
science says your God doesn't exist... What do you say to that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies.. 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has
with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His
own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat? '

' Yes.

'And is there such a thing as cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room
suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. 'You can have
lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white
heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We
can hit down to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go
any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would
be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is
susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes
a body or matter have or transmit energy.. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the
total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe
the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal
units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just
the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding
like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it isn't
darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called
darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In
reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness
darker, wouldn't you?'
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a
good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start
with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'
The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you
explain how?'
'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains.. 'You
argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God.
You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.' 'It uses electricity
and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To
view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death
cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just
the absence of it.' 'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that
they evolved from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes,
of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where
the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot
even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching
your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has
subsided. 'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other
student, let me give you an example of what I mean.' The student looks
around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter. 'Is there anyone
here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain,
touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so.. So,
according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable
protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.'
'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face
unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I
Guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,'
the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?' Now
uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it Everyday.
It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in The
multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world.. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God.. It is just like
darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of
God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man
does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes
when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'
The professor sat down.

If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your face when you
finished, mail to your friends and family with the title 'God vs. Science'

PS: The student was Albert Einstein.

Albert Einstein wrote a book titled 'God vs. Science' in 1921...



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On Aug 16, 8:32*pm, "Andie" wrote:


PS: The student was Albert Einstein.

Albert Einstein wrote a book titled 'God vs. Science' in 1921...

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The following has been attributed to Albert Einstein as the second
student. He did not write this nor was he the student. Nothing in his
writings mentions such an incident, nor in anyone else's writings.
Throwing him in as an anchor proves nothing.

Einstein believed in Spinoza's God, that everything was God, this
science and God overlap.

Faith is often defined as belief in something which cannot be proven.
That is wrong. Because one person disbelieves the proof others offer
does not disprove the testimony of the others. All faith has evidence
to back it up, whether one believing can articulate that or not.

Science today, at the Institute for Creation Research, is proving
scientifically many things stated in the Bible. After all, God created
this universe and everything in it. Therefore, all must conform to
God's rules, since He made them. So, the only true science must
therefore conclude that God is correct and all experiments, to have
results that are true, must demonstrate God's correctness. If it
doesn't, something's wrong somewhere.

Don't believe that? Go to http://www.icr.org/God/ and read anything
that interests you.

On whether the student is evil, once you're chosen by God and saved by
being given eternal life, by God's decree, you're holy and perfect.
Your flesh is still evil, not your spirit. Your spirit is your
relationship to God, holy or evil.

On God creating Satan, actually, God created "Star of the morning, son
of the dawn", a perfect angel (Isaiah 14:12-23; Ezekiel 28:11-19).
That angel decided to execute a coup on God and take over the physical
realm as its god. Therefore God threw this angel out of the third
heaven to the earth, withing the first heaven, and changed his name to
Satan. So, God did not create this evil being but a holy being who
used his own decision to turn evil. He therefore is the epitome of
evil.

On God creating evil, God did not create evil, nor sin, but he defines
them. God created every being in perfection. Satan, the demons, and
man decide to do evil, not God. God's definition of evil is
ungodliness. His definition of sin is "to miss the mark". The mark is
defined in Leviticus 11:44-45, to be as holy as God is. Due to Adam's
sin, and that we are his seed, all man misses the mark until Jesus
saves him from the penalty for his sins, which is eternal separation
from God and everyone else. Since we were created to glorify God in
relationships, especially the one with Him, the worst punishment of
hell is being utterly alone, forever. There are NO relationships in
hell. Does Hell exist? No creation of it has ever been mentioned in
the Bible. It is a place of no remembrance, nowhere, and filled with
nothing but you, if you go there. There is no light in hell, no water,
no relationships.

On faith having no evidence, all faith is based on evidence. One may
have that evidence and another deny it exists. God provides those whom
He makes to be His with a special sense to see that evidence. But
because another does not see it does not preclude its existence.

Think about darkness and light for a moment. In light, you cannot
produce darkness. In darkness, even the slightest light causes the
darkness to flee from it.

On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:01:14 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog
wrote:

On Aug 16, 8:32*pm, "Andie" wrote:


PS: The student was Albert Einstein.

Albert Einstein wrote a book titled 'God vs. Science' in 1921...

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The following has been attributed to Albert Einstein as the second
student. He did not write this nor was he the student. Nothing in his
writings mentions such an incident, nor in anyone else's writings.
Throwing him in as an anchor proves nothing.

Einstein believed in Spinoza's God, that everything was God, this
science and God overlap.

Faith is often defined as belief in something which cannot be proven.
That is wrong. Because one person disbelieves the proof others offer
does not disprove the testimony of the others. All faith has evidence
to back it up, whether one believing can articulate that or not.

Science today, at the Institute for Creation Research, is proving
scientifically many things stated in the Bible. After all, God created
this universe and everything in it. Therefore, all must conform to
God's rules, since He made them. So, the only true science must
therefore conclude that God is correct and all experiments, to have
results that are true, must demonstrate God's correctness. If it
doesn't, something's wrong somewhere.

Don't believe that? Go to http://www.icr.org/God/ and read anything
that interests you.

On whether the student is evil, once you're chosen by God and saved by
being given eternal life, by God's decree, you're holy and perfect.
Your flesh is still evil, not your spirit. Your spirit is your
relationship to God, holy or evil.

On God creating Satan, actually, God created "Star of the morning, son
of the dawn", a perfect angel (Isaiah 14:12-23; Ezekiel 28:11-19).
That angel decided to execute a coup on God and take over the physical
realm as its god. Therefore God threw this angel out of the third
heaven to the earth, withing the first heaven, and changed his name to
Satan. So, God did not create this evil being but a holy being who
used his own decision to turn evil. He therefore is the epitome of
evil.

On God creating evil, God did not create evil, nor sin, but he defines
them. God created every being in perfection. Satan, the demons, and
man decide to do evil, not God. God's definition of evil is
ungodliness. His definition of sin is "to miss the mark". The mark is
defined in Leviticus 11:44-45, to be as holy as God is. Due to Adam's
sin, and that we are his seed, all man misses the mark until Jesus
saves him from the penalty for his sins, which is eternal separation
from God and everyone else. Since we were created to glorify God in
relationships, especially the one with Him, the worst punishment of
hell is being utterly alone, forever. There are NO relationships in
hell. Does Hell exist? No creation of it has ever been mentioned in
the Bible. It is a place of no remembrance, nowhere, and filled with
nothing but you, if you go there. There is no light in hell, no water,
no relationships.

On faith having no evidence, all faith is based on evidence. One may
have that evidence and another deny it exists. God provides those whom
He makes to be His with a special sense to see that evidence. But
because another does not see it does not preclude its existence.

Think about darkness and light for a moment. In light, you cannot
produce darkness. In darkness, even the slightest light causes the
darkness to flee from it.

All I want to know is who created the boat?
Eddie

All I want to know is who created the boat?
Eddie

I don't remember ever seeing one of the Flintstones so it must have come
after the cartoon caveman period.

"mmc" wrote in message
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All I want to know is who created the boat?
Eddie

I don't remember ever seeing one of the Flintstones so it must have come
after the cartoon caveman period.


Actually, there was a boat in the Flintstones, so you'll have to go back a
bit further.

http://www.allmovie.com/work/the-fli...we-sail-345318

RG

"RG" wrote in message
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"mmc" wrote in message
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All I want to know is who created the boat?
Eddie

I don't remember ever seeing one of the Flintstones so it must have come
after the cartoon caveman period.


Actually, there was a boat in the Flintstones, so you'll have to go back a
bit further.

http://www.allmovie.com/work/the-fli...we-sail-345318

RG

Crap. Who came first Noah or Fred?

"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...

"RG" wrote in message
...

"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...



All I want to know is who created the boat?
Eddie

I don't remember ever seeing one of the Flintstones so it must have come
after the cartoon caveman period.


Actually, there was a boat in the Flintstones, so you'll have to go back
a bit further.

http://www.allmovie.com/work/the-fli...we-sail-345318

RG

Crap. Who came first Noah or Fred?

I think Ole Evinrude came before both of them.

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:11:34 -0700, Eddie wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:01:14 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog
wrote:

On Aug 16, 8:32*pm, "Andie" wrote:


PS: The student was Albert Einstein.

Albert Einstein wrote a book titled 'God vs. Science' in 1921...

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---

The following has been attributed to Albert Einstein as the second
student. He did not write this nor was he the student. Nothing in his
writings mentions such an incident, nor in anyone else's writings.
Throwing him in as an anchor proves nothing.

Einstein believed in Spinoza's God, that everything was God, this
science and God overlap.

Faith is often defined as belief in something which cannot be proven.
That is wrong. Because one person disbelieves the proof others offer
does not disprove the testimony of the others. All faith has evidence
to back it up, whether one believing can articulate that or not.

Science today, at the Institute for Creation Research, is proving
scientifically many things stated in the Bible. After all, God created
this universe and everything in it. Therefore, all must conform to
God's rules, since He made them. So, the only true science must
therefore conclude that God is correct and all experiments, to have
results that are true, must demonstrate God's correctness. If it
doesn't, something's wrong somewhere.

Don't believe that? Go to http://www.icr.org/God/ and read anything
that interests you.

On whether the student is evil, once you're chosen by God and saved by
being given eternal life, by God's decree, you're holy and perfect.
Your flesh is still evil, not your spirit. Your spirit is your
relationship to God, holy or evil.

On God creating Satan, actually, God created "Star of the morning, son
of the dawn", a perfect angel (Isaiah 14:12-23; Ezekiel 28:11-19).
That angel decided to execute a coup on God and take over the physical
realm as its god. Therefore God threw this angel out of the third
heaven to the earth, withing the first heaven, and changed his name to
Satan. So, God did not create this evil being but a holy being who
used his own decision to turn evil. He therefore is the epitome of
evil.

On God creating evil, God did not create evil, nor sin, but he defines
them. God created every being in perfection. Satan, the demons, and
man decide to do evil, not God. God's definition of evil is
ungodliness. His definition of sin is "to miss the mark". The mark is
defined in Leviticus 11:44-45, to be as holy as God is. Due to Adam's
sin, and that we are his seed, all man misses the mark until Jesus
saves him from the penalty for his sins, which is eternal separation
from God and everyone else. Since we were created to glorify God in
relationships, especially the one with Him, the worst punishment of
hell is being utterly alone, forever. There are NO relationships in
hell. Does Hell exist? No creation of it has ever been mentioned in
the Bible. It is a place of no remembrance, nowhere, and filled with
nothing but you, if you go there. There is no light in hell, no water,
no relationships.

On faith having no evidence, all faith is based on evidence. One may
have that evidence and another deny it exists. God provides those whom
He makes to be His with a special sense to see that evidence. But
because another does not see it does not preclude its existence.

Think about darkness and light for a moment. In light, you cannot
produce darkness. In darkness, even the slightest light causes the
darkness to flee from it.

All I want to know is who created the boat?
Eddie

Noah?
--

John H