On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:34:49 -0400, Harry
wrote:


The sort of "capitalism" we now have in the United States will only make
the rich richer.

**** the rich.

just give 'em payback...do to them what they've been doing to us.

the 'new yorker' magazine had an interesting proposal...invent a new
tax structure...tax the ultrawealthy at much higher rates than real
americans. the ultra rich have seen their incomes skyrocket over the
last 10 years, so they can afford it

PLUS they engineered this mess. let them clean it up

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:21:43 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:



But they must be livable jobs. Which there is but for a very few skill
sets and huge decrease in wages.

While I do feel for the middle class pillaging going on, they have to
stop vooting for idiots liek Obama that have $1.6 billion of debt spend
for corrupt banks and corrupt business but none for the middle class.

of course, the TARP program was developed by henry paulson...bush's
treasury secretary...and passed by bush.

the right just hates obama 'cuz he's black, so they dont blame
anything on the rich white guy


People need to ask what Obama and the democrats has done for the middle
class backbone of USA?... And the answer is not pretty.

and what did bush do?

oh. he socialized the risk and privatized the rewards for his rich
buddies.

cancuk just hates obama 'cuz he's black

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On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:24:02 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

How about you get no more than 3 months of unemployment period.
since there are 5 applicants for every job, how is this going to help

My wife just got cold called to go sell road signs for $70,000 a year
plus expenses and benefits so some people can still find work.

Sure she did. And I just got a cold call offering me a great
opportunity to sell phone booth services to local merchants.
Get a cut out of every call too.
Worth maybe $150k a year he said, if I hustle and I pick the right areas
with heavy pay phone traffic.
Like her I turned the offer down.
You know what they call job offers from cold callers?
Bull****.
Oh wait. You mean the cold caller found work. I get it now.

Jim - Be wary of Greeks bearing gifts.

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:13:42 -0500, Jim wrote:

My wife just got cold called to go sell road signs for $70,000 a year
plus expenses and benefits so some people can still find work.

Sure she did. And I just got a cold call offering me a great
opportunity to sell phone booth services to local merchants.

There are definitely jobs out there for people with the right skils
and are willing to work. I was talking on the phone today with a
Marine Refrigeration and Air Conditioning company in Naples, FL about
a repair and parts issue with our trawler. Apparently they thought I
knew what I was talking about since they offered me a job sight
unseen. I politely declined and money was never discussed. Around
here A/C and refrigeration guys charge about $85/hour, same as diesel
mechanics which are also in short supply.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:13:42 -0500, Jim wrote:

My wife just got cold called to go sell road signs for $70,000 a year
plus expenses and benefits so some people can still find work.
Sure she did. And I just got a cold call offering me a great
opportunity to sell phone booth services to local merchants.

There are definitely jobs out there for people with the right skils
and are willing to work. I was talking on the phone today with a
Marine Refrigeration and Air Conditioning company in Naples, FL about
a repair and parts issue with our trawler. Apparently they thought I
knew what I was talking about since they offered me a job sight
unseen. I politely declined and money was never discussed. Around
here A/C and refrigeration guys charge about $85/hour, same as diesel
mechanics which are also in short supply.


There's always unfilled jobs, even in a deep recession.
And retired guys are always being offered jobs, even in a deep recession.
Those already working are offered jobs, even in a deep recession.
Jobs are like musical chairs.
When the real unemployment rate is probably close to 20%, there
just ain't enough chairs.
No matter how you spin it.

Jim - I'll sit down now.

On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:53:32 -0400, wrote:

I have people trying to get me back into the computer business from
time to time but I would rather do just about anything else.
There is certainly a lot of opportunity but it is not hardware, it is
just integrating PC software. Plenty of windshield and telephone time,
frustrating support structures and buggy applications. I would rather
work on a shrimp boat. ;-)

Maybe. :-)

My diesel mechanic used to own a small fleet of shrimp boats at FMB
but gave it up mostly as a result of low priced imported shrimp taking
the profit out of it.

I think the best computer opportunities are with networking and
security but I'm kind of enjoying retirement.

wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:13:42 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:24:02 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

How about you get no more than 3 months of unemployment period.
since there are 5 applicants for every job, how is this going to help
My wife just got cold called to go sell road signs for $70,000 a year
plus expenses and benefits so some people can still find work.
Sure she did. And I just got a cold call offering me a great
opportunity to sell phone booth services to local merchants.
Get a cut out of every call too.
Worth maybe $150k a year he said, if I hustle and I pick the right areas
with heavy pay phone traffic.
Like her I turned the offer down.
You know what they call job offers from cold callers?
Bull****.
Oh wait. You mean the cold caller found work. I get it now.

Jim - Be wary of Greeks bearing gifts.


This is a real offer. She does business with the guy now.

Well, hell's bells.
If this fellow's name is Ralph, you should do this:
Call the Secretary of Labor, Hilda Solis.
Say, "Hilda, Ralph called my wife and offered her a $70k job with
benefits. She didn't take it, but it tells me that there should be no
problem with the folks finding work. Stop sending unemployment checks.
The country's unemployment problem is over. Just get a hold of Ralph."

I'm sure Hilda will be very pleased with your news.

Jim - We're just drowning in jobs around here too.

wrote:


I never said we were drowning in jobs, just there are jobs for people
who are qualified and willing to think outside of the little box they
have been working in.

That's always been the case, and for time immemorial people have been
able and willing to change occupations to put food on the table.
You're speaking in cliches.
"Qualified?"
The real unemployment rate is probably close to 20%.
Without connections it's very hard if not impossible to find work.
Many people don't have "connections" like your wife.
That's who offered her a job. A connection.
If she was unemployed with no connections you would be singing a
different tune.
Big mistake to take personal circumstances and project those on the
wider problem of normal people who can't find a job.
Everybody isn't you.


I agree there are lots of people who do not have the skills to find a
job in the 21st century but the answer to that is to retrain them, not
to just send them a check and hope the buggie whip business takes off
again.

Jobs are needed to target retraining.
I don't buy any of your BS about how special you were to make a career
switch back in the 90's when the country was flooded with work.
I did the same, and just considered it my normal survivor instinct.
It was easy as hell.
But if I was trying to do that today it wouldn't be easy at all.
Maybe I could, maybe I couldn't.
What I do know is now ain't then.

Maybe we should take some of that unspent stimulus money and fund
training centers that just concentrate on giving people job skills but
the real problem is what will they do if we are not making anything
here anymore.

That's the key.
If we don't get manufacturing back here get used to a welfare state.
One might think there is an American aversion to having a large class
of people not engaged in productive labor.

After all, the welfare rolls were killed back in the 90's.
Unfortunately, the welfare queens were replaced by the Wall Street
kings, who were no more productive and did far more harm to the country.
They have not yet been rejected, so a future welfare state is still in
the cards.

Then you have all the early retiree boomers, not producing anything, but
living off SS and the inflated returns of money they invested from
inflated salaries, which was used to offshore American jobs.

You have your SS disability scammers, many of them seemingly middle
class white folks of good repute from good families.
But plenty of them are just lazy bums who prefer gov money to work.

You have all those who barely did a lick of work but inherited the
proceeds of their parents' labor.

This country is full of welfare queens and kings.
They just don't live in ghettos and drive pimped out Caddies.
And they all say "I deserve what I got." "I'm special."

IMO, the best thing that can happen to this country is to offshore
current Wall Street practices into oblivion.
Allow 401k contributions only into equities of American firms who
produce in America, or into financial instruments which provide capital
to be invested in same.

How can America ever be strong when American investment capital is
largely used to destroy American jobs and strengthen our economic enemies?
It can't.
The country won't work when people aren't working.

So take your pick. Current Wall Street practice and welfare state, or
changed Wall Street practice and no welfare state.
That's what will play out.
I tend to think welfare state, because for many that's easier than
working, and from what I've seen, America is more and more loaded with
bums. Besides, the pols are owned by Wall Street.

You got your lib bums and your conservative bums.
Don't matter. A bum is a bum. And most think they're "special."

Maybe someone should start little regional businesses making and
installing something simple like solar water heaters. That would be
good for the workers and good for the environment.
Unfortunately the union plumbers, pipe fitters and boilermakers would
probably shut you down.

Right. The tremendous threat of the evil unions overrunning us here in
Florida - what is it, 5% union membership, third lowest of all states? -
will kill our spirit of entrepreneurship.
That's what killed Frogwatch's outfit.
Right.

Jim - "not making anything here anymore" was the only light here.

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:53:19 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:24:02 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

How about you get no more than 3 months of unemployment period.

since there are 5 applicants for every job, how is this going to help

My wife just got cold called to go sell road signs for $70,000 a year
plus expenses and benefits so some people can still find work.
The kid she mentored up from a $10/hr handyman is now working for a
gate company making $50k with benefits.
That may not sound like much money up north or in California but it is
good for SW Florida.
There are still opportunities out there. You just need to expand your
horizons

actually there aren't. since there are 5 applicants for every job,
it's ridiculous to pretend there are jobs out there.

there aren't. if there were people would be filling them. people want
to work.

denial of the obvious is a fact of life for the right wing

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:13:34 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 13:34:57 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


actually there aren't. since there are 5 applicants for every job,
it's ridiculous to pretend there are jobs out there.

there aren't. if there were people would be filling them. people want
to work.

denial of the obvious is a fact of life for the right wing


You latch onto a bumper sticker line you heard on Olbermann and won't
let it go.

uh huh. and in your world, 15 million middle class wage earners
decided to get together and force their companies to lay them off
because they're lazy.

it had nothing to do with the run up in CDO's from 1 trillion to SIXTY
TWO TRILLION by 2007

it's the middle class, you see...

Where are those "5 applicants"? in Detroit? What job?

There are still opportunities out there, you just won't find them from
your cubicle or sitting on your mom's couch.

prove it. go ahead.

where's your data? rush iimpballs has your head stuffed with right
wing bull****

If I was really looking for a career I would get into small systems
integration

no one gives a rat's ass about you. there are millions out of work.
and you blame THEM rather than the nice folks on wall street.