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On Aug 14, 7:42*am, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: h Try it this time instead of knee-jerking. *You may, with hard work, overcome your many deficiencies. guess you missed the part that the rich get a 3.8% tax cut the middle class? 1.5%. this is why the economy collapsed. the middle class gets zip. we cant spend because the weatlhy keep taking more and more. try looking at the figures yourself. *a guy making 50K gets 772 in tax cuts. a person making a million gets far far more. Wrong. The family making 50k got a 48% reduction in taxes. All of the other giveaways are phased out by the time you hit $200k or so. You just don't want to see (or are incapable of seeing?) the big picture. But you are a good parrot of the liberal lies. |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote: On Aug 14, 7:42*am, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: h Try it this time instead of knee-jerking. *You may, with hard work, overcome your many deficiencies. guess you missed the part that the rich get a 3.8% tax cut the middle class? 1.5%. this is why the economy collapsed. the middle class gets zip. we cant spend because the weatlhy keep taking more and more. try looking at the figures yourself. *a guy making 50K gets 772 in tax cuts. a person making a million gets far far more. Wrong. The family making 50k got a 48% reduction in taxes. All of the other giveaways are phased out by the time you hit $200k or so. You just don't want to see (or are incapable of seeing?) the big picture. But you are a good parrot of the liberal lies. ah. i see you don't know how to do percentages a guy making 50K gets a tax cut of 772. that's 1.5% of income the guy making a million gets a tax cut of 38,000...that's 3.8% read it and weep. http://www.factcheck.org/here_we_go_...rates_tax.html |
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On Aug 14, 11:30*am, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: On Aug 14, 7:42*am, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:05:44 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: h Try it this time instead of knee-jerking. *You may, with hard work, overcome your many deficiencies. guess you missed the part that the rich get a 3.8% tax cut the middle class? 1.5%. this is why the economy collapsed. the middle class gets zip. we cant spend because the weatlhy keep taking more and more. try looking at the figures yourself. *a guy making 50K gets 772 in tax cuts. a person making a million gets far far more. Wrong. *The family making 50k got a 48% reduction in taxes. *All of the other giveaways are phased out by the time you hit $200k or so. You just don't want to see (or are incapable of seeing?) the big picture. *But you are a good parrot of the liberal lies. ah. i see you don't know how to do percentages a guy making 50K gets a tax cut of 772. *that's 1.5% of *income The top 20% of taxpayers have a larger tax liability under the Bush tax cuts than they did before the cuts. The bottom 80% all have a smaller tax liability. And within that top 20%, the top 5% is the only segment who's liability went up, meaning if you made $136k or less your liability stayed the same or went down. So, the top 5% shoulders a larger percentage of the tax burden after the cuts than before the cuts. See table 4 at http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/323.html The top 20% pays 81% of the taxes, and the top 5% pays 60%. Stop your whining. |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote: On Aug 14, 11:30*am, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: try looking at the figures yourself. *a guy making 50K gets 772 in tax cuts. a person making a million gets far far more. Wrong. *The family making 50k got a 48% reduction in taxes. *All of the other giveaways are phased out by the time you hit $200k or so. You just don't want to see (or are incapable of seeing?) the big picture. *But you are a good parrot of the liberal lies. ah. i see you don't know how to do percentages a guy making 50K gets a tax cut of 772. *that's 1.5% of *income The top 20% of taxpayers have a larger tax liability under the Bush tax cuts than they did before the cuts. the FACT is that the wealthy get a BIGGER tax cut under bush than the middle class does. i just gave you the figures AND the reference. where are YOUR numbers? The bottom 80% all have a smaller tax liability. actually they dont the ultrawealthy have a 15% tax rate, and, with write off and deductions have cut their tax liablity in half over the past 10 years. And within that top 20%, the top 5% is the only segment who's liability went up, meaning if you made $136k or less your liability stayed the same or went down. So, the top 5% shoulders a larger percentage of the tax burden after the cuts than before the cuts. and they should. their incomes went up 500% in the past 30 years. the middle class had NO increase at all. none. they SHOULD pay...plus they engineered this disaster. let them pay you right wingers just love to defend the rich. they **** us like we're $2 whores, but in your mind, the middle class is nothing more than sheep to be slaughtered See table 4 at http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/323.html The top 20% pays 81% of the taxes, and the top 5% pays 60%. Stop your whining. more rightwing bull**** james surowiecki, writing in the august 16 issue of 'the new yorker' points out the following: -between 2002 and 2006 the bottom 99% of incomes grew 1.3% per year in real terms -the top 1% grew TEN PERCENT A YEAR in the same timeframe -the top 1% has seen its share of national income double -the richest 1% has 23% of the nation's income -the richest 0.1% has seen their income TRIPLE in 5 years -the richest 0.1% earn as much as the BOTTOM ONE HUNDRED TWENTY MILLION PEOPLE so you right wingers sit here defending the rape of the middle class while spouting your bull**** about how rough the rich have it. you're ****ing idiots. really |
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On Aug 14, 1:50*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: See table 4 athttp://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/323.html The top 20% pays 81% of the taxes, and the top 5% pays 60%. *Stop your whining. more rightwing bull**** Wrong.. non-partisan data. Facts. Here's more for you... http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/24955.html In fact, you should do some reading on that site. You'll see how you're being fed lies and half-truths. |
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On 8/14/10 3:00 PM, Jack wrote:
On Aug 14, 1:50 pm, wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote: See table 4 athttp://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/323.html The top 20% pays 81% of the taxes, and the top 5% pays 60%. Stop your whining. more rightwing bull**** Wrong.. non-partisan data. Facts. Here's more for you... http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/24955.html In fact, you should do some reading on that site. You'll see how you're being fed lies and half-truths. Actually, it is right wing bull****, as evidenced by the slant of its recent news releases: * Corporate Tax Incentives Not As Costly As Opponents Claim, August 3, 2010 * Repealing Manufacturing Deduction for Oil Companies Won’t Level Playing Field, August 2, 2010 * State and Federal Tax Collections on Oil Industry Exceed Oil Industry Profits, July 27, 2010 The Tax Foundation is a corporate shill. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
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On Aug 14, 3:00*pm, Jack wrote:
On Aug 14, 1:50*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: See table 4 athttp://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/323.html The top 20% pays 81% of the taxes, and the top 5% pays 60%. *Stop your whining. more rightwing bull**** Wrong.. non-partisan data. *Facts. Here's more for you...http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/24955.html In fact, you should do some reading on that site. *You'll see how you're being fed lies and half-truths. More cricket? C'mon bob! Afraid you might stumble on the truth? |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 12:00:09 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: On Aug 14, 1:50*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: See table 4 athttp://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/323.html The top 20% pays 81% of the taxes, and the top 5% pays 60%. *Stop your whining. more rightwing bull**** Wrong.. non-partisan data. Facts. Here's more for you... http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/24955.html In fact, you should do some reading on that site. You'll see how you're being fed lies and half-truths. you guys weep for how tough the rich have it. the rich don't pay taxes...the middle class does. and most of the tax cuts go for the rich. in spite of the fact their incomes ROCKETED up by 500% in the last 37 years while the middle class has had ZERO to you this is proof the rich are blessed of god and the mddle class is lazy. |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:26:13 -0400, Harry
wrote: On 8/14/10 3:00 PM, Jack wrote: On Aug 14, 1:50 pm, wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT), wrote: See table 4 athttp://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/323.html The top 20% pays 81% of the taxes, and the top 5% pays 60%. Stop your whining. more rightwing bull**** Wrong.. non-partisan data. Facts. Here's more for you... http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/24955.html In fact, you should do some reading on that site. You'll see how you're being fed lies and half-truths. Actually, it is right wing bull****, as evidenced by the slant of its recent news releases: * Corporate Tax Incentives Not As Costly As Opponents Claim, August 3, 2010 what's amazing about the right and their bull**** is, THIS IS THE ECONOMY WITH BUSH'S TAX CUTS IN PLACE! if tax cuts produce a thrving economy, WHERE IS IT? * Repealing Manufacturing Deduction for Oil Companies Won’t Level Playing Field, August 2, 2010 * State and Federal Tax Collections on Oil Industry Exceed Oil Industry Profits, July 27, 2010 The Tax Foundation is a corporate shill. yep. the right wing shills for the rich who screw normal americans |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:35:48 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote: On Aug 14, 3:00*pm, Jack wrote: On Aug 14, 1:50*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: See table 4 athttp://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/323.html The top 20% pays 81% of the taxes, and the top 5% pays 60%. *Stop your whining. more rightwing bull**** Wrong.. non-partisan data. *Facts. Here's more for you...http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/24955.html In fact, you should do some reading on that site. *You'll see how you're being fed lies and half-truths. More cricket? C'mon bob! Afraid you might stumble on the truth? fine. you go show me where the middle class has had a 500% pay increase in the last 37 years like the rich have then we can talk tax policy crickets? you're the sound of 1 hand masturbating |
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:21:40 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 20:48:48 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:28:31 -0400, wrote: let's see...incomes go UP under democrats for the middle class and DOWN under the GOP that's why the middle class hasnt had an increase you right wing You don't even read your own rants, or you don't believe them. The rich got plenty rich in the 90s, their income has gone up 500% in the last 37 years. You were the one bitching about the umbrella stand. That was Clinton's watch. the middle class DID get raises during the clinton administrations. the GOP administrations saw reversals in those increases You also bitch that you were not getting a raise then either. Humor me and admit it wasn't that wonderful for the middle class then either unless you were playing the market that you admit you are not smart enough to do ... how's the middle class doing today? under clinton unemployment was about 5%. today, after the right has run rampant it's double that. yes, the middle class made more money and had lower unemployment under clinton than under bush. no jobs were created under bush. and, as i pointed out, while the middle class got 1.5% of their income back in taxes, the wealthy got 3.8. the tax cuts went to the rich. How is that Obama raise working out for you? since the GOP destroyed america, not so good I thought we were getting hope and change. You can hope but nothing is changing. we have healthcare. we have regulation of wall street. neither of which right wingers did. Notice the rich are STILL getting richer? really? is that why the chamber of commerce almost put a contract out on obama? why 75% of wall street lobbying money since january has gone to the GOP? |
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On Aug 14, 10:59*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:35:48 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: On Aug 14, 3:00*pm, Jack wrote: On Aug 14, 1:50*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: See table 4 athttp://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/323.html The top 20% pays 81% of the taxes, and the top 5% pays 60%. *Stop your whining. more rightwing bull**** Wrong.. non-partisan data. *Facts. Here's more for you...http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/24955.html In fact, you should do some reading on that site. *You'll see how you're being fed lies and half-truths. More cricket? *C'mon bob! *Afraid you might stumble on the truth? fine. you go show me where the middle class has had a 500% pay increase in the last 37 years like the rich have then we can talk tax policy Nope... we're not going to change the subject just because you realize you're wrong. We're so close to a breakthough! Say it with me... "The Bush tax cuts were for *everyone*, not just the rich." Once you can accept that you were lied to, and have been repeating the lies, then the healing can begin. |
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 06:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote: On Aug 14, 10:59*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:35:48 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: Wrong.. non-partisan data. *Facts. Here's more for you...http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/24955.html In fact, you should do some reading on that site. *You'll see how you're being fed lies and half-truths. More cricket? *C'mon bob! *Afraid you might stumble on the truth? fine. you go show me where the middle class has had a 500% pay increase in the last 37 years like the rich have then we can talk tax policy Nope... we're not going to change the subject just because you realize you're wrong. We're so close to a breakthough! uh no. you seem to think the middle class income is irrelevant to policy. you seem to think the MASSIVE transfer of weatlh that's happened over the last 37 years makes no difference try again Say it with me... "The Bush tax cuts were for *everyone*, not just the rich." Once you can accept that you were lied to, and have been repeating the lies, then the healing can begin. they were for everyone except they were for the rich more than for normal people but, you ignore that. as always. you seem not to realize such policies lead to the US bieng like mexico. your lies have destroyed the US middle class |
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On 8/15/10 3:47 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:14:44 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:42:02 -0400, wrote: O the middle class DID get raises during the clinton administrations. the GOP administrations saw reversals in those increases So you have been lying about not getting a raise for 30 years. Thanks ROFLMAO!!! to you, the fact that the tide comes in and goes out means we'll all be under water soon! HAHAHAHAH!! You also bitch that you were not getting a raise then either. Humor me and admit it wasn't that wonderful for the middle class then either unless you were playing the market that you admit you are not smart enough to do ... how's the middle class doing today? under clinton unemployment was about 5%. today, after the right has run rampant it's double that. How was that unemployment in 2000 when the tech bubble crashed? not as high as it is under bush's depression. and the economy recovered this economy will not recover...the right and the wealthy have destroyed the imddle class yes, the middle class made more money and had lower unemployment under clinton than under bush. no jobs were created under bush. Who was building all of those houses? tell you what you look up unemployment in 2001. then look it up in 2008 let me know what you find, OK? I thought we were getting hope and change. You can hope but nothing is changing. we have healthcare. Very expensive health care. HAHAHAHAHA!!! we have the MOST EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD!!! boy you right wingers live in a plastic bubble dont you? we have regulation of wall street. Not really much regulation proprietary trading? gone. that's a big deal. increased capital reserves? that's a big deal. oh. you didn't know what was in the bill really? is that why the chamber of commerce almost put a contract out on obama? why 75% of wall street lobbying money since january has gone to the GOP? That is because it was the GOP that wanted STRONGER regulation ROFLMAO!!! is that what they told you? boy you are gullible...you still believe in the easter bunny? That's really funny. I'm wondering how many more times the stock market will have to go into the dumpster before the majority of Americans see it for what it is...an easily manipulated and fraudulent system for transferring what little wealth middle Americans still hold to the rich. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
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On Aug 15, 3:43*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 06:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: On Aug 14, 10:59*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:35:48 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: Wrong.. non-partisan data. *Facts. Here's more for you...http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/24955.html In fact, you should do some reading on that site. *You'll see how you're being fed lies and half-truths. More cricket? *C'mon bob! *Afraid you might stumble on the truth? fine. you go show me where the middle class has had a 500% pay increase in the last 37 years like the rich have then we can talk tax policy Nope... we're not going to change the subject just because you realize you're wrong. *We're so close to a breakthough! uh no. you seem to think the middle class income is irrelevant to policy. you seem to think the MASSIVE transfer of weatlh that's happened over the last 37 years makes no difference try again Say it with me... "The Bush tax cuts were for *everyone*, not just the rich." *Once you can accept that you were lied to, and have been repeating the lies, then the healing can begin. they were for everyone You are getting it!! except they were for the rich more than for normal people Then you fail. Did you not read, and absorb the real numbers that show that the biggest cuts went to low income people, and the tax burden has shifted to the top 20%?? but, you ignore that. as always. you seem not to realize such policies lead to the US bieng like mexico. your lies have destroyed the US middle class And you were so close... oh well. |
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"Harry" wrote in message m... On 8/15/10 3:47 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:14:44 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:42:02 -0400, wrote: O the middle class DID get raises during the clinton administrations. the GOP administrations saw reversals in those increases So you have been lying about not getting a raise for 30 years. Thanks ROFLMAO!!! to you, the fact that the tide comes in and goes out means we'll all be under water soon! HAHAHAHAH!! You also bitch that you were not getting a raise then either. Humor me and admit it wasn't that wonderful for the middle class then either unless you were playing the market that you admit you are not smart enough to do ... how's the middle class doing today? under clinton unemployment was about 5%. today, after the right has run rampant it's double that. How was that unemployment in 2000 when the tech bubble crashed? not as high as it is under bush's depression. and the economy recovered this economy will not recover...the right and the wealthy have destroyed the imddle class yes, the middle class made more money and had lower unemployment under clinton than under bush. no jobs were created under bush. Who was building all of those houses? tell you what you look up unemployment in 2001. then look it up in 2008 let me know what you find, OK? I thought we were getting hope and change. You can hope but nothing is changing. we have healthcare. Very expensive health care. HAHAHAHAHA!!! we have the MOST EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD!!! boy you right wingers live in a plastic bubble dont you? we have regulation of wall street. Not really much regulation proprietary trading? gone. that's a big deal. increased capital reserves? that's a big deal. oh. you didn't know what was in the bill really? is that why the chamber of commerce almost put a contract out on obama? why 75% of wall street lobbying money since january has gone to the GOP? That is because it was the GOP that wanted STRONGER regulation ROFLMAO!!! is that what they told you? boy you are gullible...you still believe in the easter bunny? That's really funny. I'm wondering how many more times the stock market will have to go into the dumpster before the majority of Americans see it for what it is...an easily manipulated and fraudulent system for transferring what little wealth middle Americans still hold to the rich. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. Weren't you the one bragging about profits you realized in Garmin or some such? |
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k says... "Harry" wrote in message m... On 8/15/10 3:47 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:14:44 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:42:02 -0400, wrote: O the middle class DID get raises during the clinton administrations. the GOP administrations saw reversals in those increases So you have been lying about not getting a raise for 30 years. Thanks ROFLMAO!!! to you, the fact that the tide comes in and goes out means we'll all be under water soon! HAHAHAHAH!! You also bitch that you were not getting a raise then either. Humor me and admit it wasn't that wonderful for the middle class then either unless you were playing the market that you admit you are not smart enough to do ... how's the middle class doing today? under clinton unemployment was about 5%. today, after the right has run rampant it's double that. How was that unemployment in 2000 when the tech bubble crashed? not as high as it is under bush's depression. and the economy recovered this economy will not recover...the right and the wealthy have destroyed the imddle class yes, the middle class made more money and had lower unemployment under clinton than under bush. no jobs were created under bush. Who was building all of those houses? tell you what you look up unemployment in 2001. then look it up in 2008 let me know what you find, OK? I thought we were getting hope and change. You can hope but nothing is changing. we have healthcare. Very expensive health care. HAHAHAHAHA!!! we have the MOST EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD!!! boy you right wingers live in a plastic bubble dont you? we have regulation of wall street. Not really much regulation proprietary trading? gone. that's a big deal. increased capital reserves? that's a big deal. oh. you didn't know what was in the bill really? is that why the chamber of commerce almost put a contract out on obama? why 75% of wall street lobbying money since january has gone to the GOP? That is because it was the GOP that wanted STRONGER regulation ROFLMAO!!! is that what they told you? boy you are gullible...you still believe in the easter bunny? That's really funny. I'm wondering how many more times the stock market will have to go into the dumpster before the majority of Americans see it for what it is...an easily manipulated and fraudulent system for transferring what little wealth middle Americans still hold to the rich. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. Weren't you the one bragging about profits you realized in Garmin or some such? Well, that was when that particular lie fit his agenda... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! |
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote: On Aug 15, 3:43*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 06:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: Nope... we're not going to change the subject just because you realize you're wrong. *We're so close to a breakthough! uh no. you seem to think the middle class income is irrelevant to policy. you seem to think the MASSIVE transfer of weatlh that's happened over the last 37 years makes no difference try again Say it with me... "The Bush tax cuts were for *everyone*, not just the rich." *Once you can accept that you were lied to, and have been repeating the lies, then the healing can begin. they were for everyone You are getting it!! and you're NOT. you keep defending the massive increase in wealth accumulating at the richest 1%...a fact unparalleled anywhere in the western world and you think the impoverishment of america is great news. is there something america's middle class did to make you hate us? except they were for the rich more than for normal people Then you fail. Did you not read, and absorb the real numbers that show that the biggest cuts went to low income people, and the tax burden has shifted to the top 20%?? you know, the more i feed you baby food, the more you puke you really are quite stupid. honestly. let's see...you -ignore the fact teh ONLY increase in wealth in this country has been to the rich -ignore the fact the richest have had a 500% increase in income in the last 37 years -ignore the fact the middle class had NO income increase -ignore the fact the richest 1% have had their effective income tax rate drop from 30% to 16.6% in the last 10 years THEN scream with blee when you find the rich do pay taxes!! gee. they have ALL the money. they pay SOME taxes DUH!! |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... -ignore the fact teh ONLY increase in wealth in this country has been to the rich -ignore the fact the richest have had a 500% increase in income in the last 37 years -ignore the fact the middle class had NO income increase -ignore the fact the richest 1% have had their effective income tax rate drop from 30% to 16.6% in the last 10 years THEN scream with blee when you find the rich do pay taxes!! gee. they have ALL the money. they pay SOME taxes DUH!! Interesting article on millionaire myths. http://financialedge.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0810/7-Millionaire-Myths.aspx One in particular is "Millionaires don't pay their taxes". Fact is that those in the top 1% of income pay 40% of all taxes paid. Another: "Most millionaires inherited their wealth". Not true. Only 20% inherited money. 80% earned it. Another: "Millionaires have high paying jobs". Truth is, some do, but half of them are self-employed or own a business. Another: "Millionaires drive fancy cars". Truth is that the majority of millionaires own a Ford. Article summary: "The Bottom Line Maybe you see a pattern he today's millionaires are people who live within their means, budget and spend wisely, and focus on financial independence first. These are habits that take discipline, but ones we can all adopt to begin growing wealth. If these facts prove anything, it's that every one of us can strive to become a millionaire - you can start by driving your old car with pride." CC |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 04:44:18 -0400, "Charles C."
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . -ignore the fact teh ONLY increase in wealth in this country has been to the rich -ignore the fact the richest have had a 500% increase in income in the last 37 years -ignore the fact the middle class had NO income increase -ignore the fact the richest 1% have had their effective income tax rate drop from 30% to 16.6% in the last 10 years THEN scream with blee when you find the rich do pay taxes!! gee. they have ALL the money. they pay SOME taxes DUH!! Interesting article on millionaire myths. http://financialedge.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0810/7-Millionaire-Myths.aspx One in particular is "Millionaires don't pay their taxes". Fact is that those in the top 1% of income pay 40% of all taxes paid. and in the last 37 years their income has gone up 500% while the middle class has gone up zero in the past 5 years, effective tax rates on the wealthiest 0.1% has gone from 30% to 16.6% golly. the rich pay taxes. who could guess of course they OWN EVERYTHING...no surprise they pay SOME taxes Another: "Most millionaires inherited their wealth". Not true. Only 20% inherited money. 80% earned it. ever hear of the GINI coefficient? look it up. it measure the difference between the richest and poorest in a society the US is 9th out of 10 nations. how about social mobility? the ability of non rich folks to get rich....the US must lead there, right? because we're a nation where anything is possible, right? uh...no. check page 4 of this report http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Fil...n/20060919.pdf america has less social mobility than virtually any other country. and the rich pay more taxes right? well...no. http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnal...obref=outbrain The simple truth is that the wealthy in the United States — the people who have made almost all the income gains in recent years — are undertaxed compared with everyone else. Consider two reports from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. One, issued last month, highlighted findings from the Congressional Budget Office showing that "the gaps in after-tax income between the richest 1 percent of Americans and the middle and poorest fifths of the country more than tripled between 1979 and 2007," the period for which figures are available. The other, from February, used Internal Revenue Service data to show that the effective federal income tax rate for the 400 taxpayers with the very highest incomes declined by nearly half in just over a decade, even as their pre-tax incomes have grown five times larger. The study found that the top 400 households "paid 16.6% of their income in federal individual income taxes in 2007, down from 30% in 1995." We are talking here about truly rich people: Using 2007 dollars, it took an adjusted gross income of at least $35 million to get into the top 400 in 1992, and $139 million in 2007. so america is NOT the land of opportunity. the rich pay less taxes as a proportion of GDP than they did 10 years ago the rich have had their incomes SKYROCKET while the middle class has had NO increase. the rich are not overtaxed. they're undertaxed. it's the middle class that's overtaxed so while the rich DESTROYED our economy, the middle class pays for it |
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On Aug 15, 11:38*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: On Aug 15, 3:43*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 06:58:41 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: Nope... we're not going to change the subject just because you realize you're wrong. *We're so close to a breakthough! uh no. you seem to think the middle class income is irrelevant to policy. you seem to think the MASSIVE transfer of weatlh that's happened over the last 37 years makes no difference try again Say it with me... "The Bush tax cuts were for *everyone*, not just the rich." *Once you can accept that you were lied to, and have been repeating the lies, then the healing can begin. they were for everyone You are getting it!! and you're NOT. you keep defending the massive increase in wealth accumulating at the richest 1%...a fact *unparalleled anywhere in the western world I've defended NOTHING. I've simply been trying to teach you that you are repeating a lie. The Bush tax cuts did not favor the rich. The Bush tax cuts affected everyone, and were larger for lower incomes than for higher. End of story. Anything else is your broken record playing over and over, and I have not addressed that. I'm only addressing the Bush tax cuts, and how you keep repeating the lie. Got it? |
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On 8/15/10 10:47 PM, D.Duck wrote:
"Harry" wrote in message m... On 8/15/10 3:47 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:14:44 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:42:02 -0400, wrote: O the middle class DID get raises during the clinton administrations. the GOP administrations saw reversals in those increases So you have been lying about not getting a raise for 30 years. Thanks ROFLMAO!!! to you, the fact that the tide comes in and goes out means we'll all be under water soon! HAHAHAHAH!! You also bitch that you were not getting a raise then either. Humor me and admit it wasn't that wonderful for the middle class then either unless you were playing the market that you admit you are not smart enough to do ... how's the middle class doing today? under clinton unemployment was about 5%. today, after the right has run rampant it's double that. How was that unemployment in 2000 when the tech bubble crashed? not as high as it is under bush's depression. and the economy recovered this economy will not recover...the right and the wealthy have destroyed the imddle class yes, the middle class made more money and had lower unemployment under clinton than under bush. no jobs were created under bush. Who was building all of those houses? tell you what you look up unemployment in 2001. then look it up in 2008 let me know what you find, OK? I thought we were getting hope and change. You can hope but nothing is changing. we have healthcare. Very expensive health care. HAHAHAHAHA!!! we have the MOST EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD!!! boy you right wingers live in a plastic bubble dont you? we have regulation of wall street. Not really much regulation proprietary trading? gone. that's a big deal. increased capital reserves? that's a big deal. oh. you didn't know what was in the bill really? is that why the chamber of commerce almost put a contract out on obama? why 75% of wall street lobbying money since january has gone to the GOP? That is because it was the GOP that wanted STRONGER regulation ROFLMAO!!! is that what they told you? boy you are gullible...you still believe in the easter bunny? That's really funny. I'm wondering how many more times the stock market will have to go into the dumpster before the majority of Americans see it for what it is...an easily manipulated and fraudulent system for transferring what little wealth middle Americans still hold to the rich. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. Weren't you the one bragging about profits you realized in Garmin or some such? Yup. I made a little money buying Garmin right after the IPO and hanging onto it for a while. I've been 99% out of the stock market for a long time now, thankfully. It's no secret here that I believe Wall Street operators represent only themselves, and that the underpinnings of the stock markets and many corporations are built on fraud and deception. This is not a revelation, of course...our recent history provides all the proof that is needed. A few more stock market crashes or deep dives and maybe ordinary Americans will wake up to the fact that they are always going to be played by corporate financial interests. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
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On 8/15/10 11:17 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
Well, that was when that particular lie fit his agenda... This from one of life's total failures, little man tosk, who couldn't get a job shining shoes outside a brokerage house? -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
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On 8/16/10 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleYdednT3pf_tLO_XRnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@giganews. com, k says... That's really funny. I'm wondering how many more times the stock market will have to go into the dumpster before the majority of Americans see it for what it is...an easily manipulated and fraudulent system for transferring what little wealth middle Americans still hold to the rich. Weren't you the one bragging about profits you realized in Garmin or some such? Harry Krause, a proud member of the do as I say cadre. I got out of the market for the most part well before the Bush Crash. I have a hundred shares each in a couple of companies, and that's it, and those shares have stop-loss orders in effect. Wall Street in recent years has been a scam. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
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"Harry" wrote in message
m... On 8/15/10 11:17 PM, I am Tosk wrote: Well, that was when that particular lie fit his agenda... This from one of life's total failures, little man tosk, who couldn't get a job shining shoes outside a brokerage house? -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. PS I really do get a kick out of needlessly castigating others, you know. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
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"BAR" wrote in message
. .. In article , k says... That's really funny. I'm wondering how many more times the stock market will have to go into the dumpster before the majority of Americans see it for what it is...an easily manipulated and fraudulent system for transferring what little wealth middle Americans still hold to the rich. Weren't you the one bragging about profits you realized in Garmin or some such? Harry Krause, a proud member of the do as I say cadre. Well, I am a died in the wool Democrat and I hold several union cards. What did you expect? Just towing the party line. -- I'm the real Harry, and I post from a Mac, as virtually everyone knows. If a post is attributed to me, and it isn't from a Mac, it's from an ID spoofer who hasn't the balls to post with his own ID. |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 04:23:56 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote: On Aug 15, 11:38*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: and you're NOT. you keep defending the massive increase in wealth accumulating at the richest 1%...a fact *unparalleled anywhere in the western world I've defended NOTHING. I've simply been trying to teach you that you are repeating a lie. The Bush tax cuts did not favor the rich. then why did the rich get a larger decrease, as a percentage of income, than the middle class did? The Bush tax cuts affected everyone, and were larger for lower incomes than for higher. End of story. this is like the reagan tax cuts...the middle class got about 25 bux. the rich got tens of thousands. AND the rich have LARGER growths in income. so you defend the rape of the middle class |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:10:16 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:25:33 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:18:18 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 06:17:47 -0400, bpuharic wrote: So you did get raises for 8 years of the 30? You forgot to mention that. and then the GOP took it back to send to their rich friends. you forgot to mention that So now you are saying your pay was CUT. ever hear of inflation? What was the inflation rate in the 2000"s? Are you saying they never gave you a dime? you keep making the typical right wing mistake i argue from EVIDENCE you argue from FAIRY TALES that's why you can't understand what i'm saying. NO ONE...repeat NO ONE in the middle class got a raise i'm not sure how many ways i can tell you that to get it through your rush limballs polluted head. I know my son in law has doubled his salary since then but he moved and changed jobs. like i said, i argue from evidence. you? you argue from anecdote |
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YukonBound wrote:
"Harry (I post with a Mac, check the headers for ID spoofers who don't)" wrote in message m... On 8/12/10 3:38 PM, mmc wrote: "I am wrote in message ... In , says... On 11-Aug-2010, wrote: At least $1.6 trillion debt spend this year. (but some say more is actual) That is $64,000 per unemployed person. Where is the money really going? I mean this seriously! As Obama does this for 4 years, that is more than a quarter million dollars per unemployed!!! it's the racist assumption that obama has something to do with this that's risible. obama is, hopefully, doing the responsible things; re-regulating wall street (done); allowing some of the bush giveaways to the rich to expire (biggest factor in the deficit), etc. the racist right just thinks the darkie pres is responsible. "Thinking like that by a significant percentage of U.S. inhabitants is why the former U.S. is just around the corner from the economic might of Somalian ghettos. Like Philadelphia, Detroit, Atlanta, Newark, St. Louis............... Voting should require an intelligence test. Naw, all we would really have to do is stop the huge percentage of voter fraud support and paid for by George Soros and the DNC... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! How about mandatory voter education and the death penalty for elected liars and crooks? This would retroactive for lies told and under the table bribes taken while campaigning. And this would be for all politicians Bob!!! No free ride for any race!!! Yet another rec.boats brain sturgeon, eh? Must be something in the water......... wait a minute, most of the dopers in here don't go near the water..... not even for a monthly bath. Say what? That was incredibly dumb. |
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YukonBound wrote:
"Harry (I post with a Mac, check the headers for ID spoofers who don't)" wrote in message m... On 8/12/10 6:35 PM, YukonBound wrote: "Harry (I post with a Mac, check the headers for ID spoofers who don't)" wrote in message m... On 8/12/10 3:38 PM, mmc wrote: "I am wrote in message ... In , says... On 11-Aug-2010, wrote: At least $1.6 trillion debt spend this year. (but some say more is actual) That is $64,000 per unemployed person. Where is the money really going? I mean this seriously! As Obama does this for 4 years, that is more than a quarter million dollars per unemployed!!! it's the racist assumption that obama has something to do with this that's risible. obama is, hopefully, doing the responsible things; re-regulating wall street (done); allowing some of the bush giveaways to the rich to expire (biggest factor in the deficit), etc. the racist right just thinks the darkie pres is responsible. "Thinking like that by a significant percentage of U.S. inhabitants is why the former U.S. is just around the corner from the economic might of Somalian ghettos. Like Philadelphia, Detroit, Atlanta, Newark, St. Louis............... Voting should require an intelligence test. Naw, all we would really have to do is stop the huge percentage of voter fraud support and paid for by George Soros and the DNC... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! How about mandatory voter education and the death penalty for elected liars and crooks? This would retroactive for lies told and under the table bribes taken while campaigning. And this would be for all politicians Bob!!! No free ride for any race!!! Yet another rec.boats brain sturgeon, eh? Must be something in the water......... wait a minute, most of the dopers in here don't go near the water..... not even for a monthly bath. Speaking of the really stupid, I wonder how Little Man Freak's day went at his non-existent webhosting ISP. Terri probably puts him in a corner and lets him answer the phone on occasion..... as long as he passes all questions directly to her. Probably. You have nothing else to do but THIS? |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:18:08 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:26:22 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:22:56 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 06:17:47 -0400, bpuharic wrote: Oh I guess you didn't know, all that did was move those trades down the street a block to the German bank. GREAT!! let the germans pay for the mistakes of the rich I guess you don't know, most of the bailout went to foreign banks. i read the same articles you did. no, 'most' didnt. some did. the rich have nice interlocking incestuous relationships, dont they? If you are saying there is an international organization of rich bankers who are running the world, I agree but when you look at the membership of that group, you see most of the top tier politicians D and R along with the big shots on the boards of our biggest companies. (Bilderburgers, Trilateral commission, IMF, World Bank etc) uh no. is john paulson in that group? nope. are most of the billionaires on wall street in the group? nope. this is a uniquely american phenomenon. the american right, which hates the middle class and especially unions, structured american law to enable them to transfer wealth from the middle class to the wealthy without giving and increase in wages not unlike the recent currency scam in n. korea where the elite decreed everyon's life savings void. the ameirican elite invented a group of worthless financial instruments, then hate congress rewrite the laws to deregulate their schemes. the currency channels are international. the MANAGERS of this scheme are not. germany is heavily unionized so was less subject. canada had tighter bank regulations only in america, with its large and powerful right wing, did the free market fundamentalists hijack the govt Of course that puts us in the right wing, conspiracy kook column. Your rants could have come out of the National Spotlight tho. uh no. there is not an international jewish conspiracy. sorry. |
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