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jps July 30th 10 01:32 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

What a welcome piece of news...

Ousted Agriculture Department employee Shirley Sherrod said Thursday
she will sue a conservative blogger who posted a video edited in a way
that made her appear racist.

Sherrod was forced to resign last week as director of rural
development in Georgia after Andrew Breitbart posted the edited video
online. In the full video, Sherrod, who is black, spoke to a local
NAACP group about racial reconciliation and overcoming her initial
reluctance to help a white farmer.

Speaking Thursday at the National Association of Black Journalists
convention, Sherrod said she would definitely sue over the video that
took her remarks out of context. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack has
since offered Sherrod a new job in the department. She has not decided
whether to accept.

Sherrod said she had not received an apology from Breitbart and no
longer wanted one. "He had to know that he was targeting me," she
said.



The legal pole up Breitbart's ass will cause him discomfort. It's
about time someone did to him what he's been doing to others.

bpuharic July 30th 10 04:06 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:37:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, jps wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


i dont think 1st amendment will enter into it. libel requires intent.
breitbart's an idiot, but it probably wasnt his INTENT to libel her.

BAR[_2_] July 30th 10 04:22 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
In article ,
says...

What a welcome piece of news...

[ SNIP ]

The legal pole up Breitbart's ass will cause him discomfort. It's
about time someone did to him what he's been doing to others.


Sherrod resigned. She wasn't fired or otherwise forced out. If she has a
suite it is with OMB.

If the press was sued for printing half the story they would not exist
any more regardless of whether you classify them as main stream media or
another type of media.

nom=de=plume[_2_] July 30th 10 05:19 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, jps wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


Doubtful. This was likely a willful act designed to "ruin" her. That's not
protected by the First.


nom=de=plume[_2_] July 30th 10 05:20 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:37:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, jps wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


i dont think 1st amendment will enter into it. libel requires intent.
breitbart's an idiot, but it probably wasnt his INTENT to libel her.


Ummm... he's stated as much. Think foot-mouth.



nom=de=plume[_2_] July 30th 10 05:20 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

What a welcome piece of news...

[ SNIP ]

The legal pole up Breitbart's ass will cause him discomfort. It's
about time someone did to him what he's been doing to others.


Sherrod resigned. She wasn't fired or otherwise forced out. If she has a
suite it is with OMB.

If the press was sued for printing half the story they would not exist
any more regardless of whether you classify them as main stream media or
another type of media.


You're deluded. Everyone involved has acknowledged she was forced to resign.



jps July 30th 10 08:49 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:37:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, jps wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


She's not a public figure and he targeted her specifically and
unfairly characterized her in order to cause her harm.

That isn't protected under the 1st amendment.

jps July 30th 10 08:56 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:22:10 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

What a welcome piece of news...

[ SNIP ]

The legal pole up Breitbart's ass will cause him discomfort. It's
about time someone did to him what he's been doing to others.


Sherrod resigned. She wasn't fired or otherwise forced out. If she has a
suite it is with OMB.

If the press was sued for printing half the story they would not exist
any more regardless of whether you classify them as main stream media or
another type of media.


She was pressured into resigning as a result of a false smear
perpetrated by Breitbart.

Her only quarrel seems to be with the asshole who smeared her
unfairly.

That's the beauty of a free society. You get to choose who you sue
and for what reasons. If this scum bag hadn't have purposefully
targeted her with concocted accusations, her life and employ would
have continued undisturbed.

Breitbart has it coming. Perhaps it'll be a lesson to he and others
who think they can smear people with impunity.

bpuharic July 30th 10 11:20 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:20:02 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:37:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, jps wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


i dont think 1st amendment will enter into it. libel requires intent.
breitbart's an idiot, but it probably wasnt his INTENT to libel her.


Ummm... he's stated as much. Think foot-mouth.


gee. it would be an early birthday present to me to see him get
bitchslapped in court.



BAR[_2_] July 30th 10 12:34 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
In article ,
says...
Sherrod resigned. She wasn't fired or otherwise forced out. If she has a
suite it is with OMB.

If the press was sued for printing half the story they would not exist
any more regardless of whether you classify them as main stream media or
another type of media.


She was pressured into resigning as a result of a false smear
perpetrated by Breitbart.


She was pressured into resiging by a knee-jerk reaction by Obama and
Vislack, both of whom are Democrats.

Her only quarrel seems to be with the asshole who smeared her
unfairly.


Her quarrel seems to be with herself and how she is a racist.

That's the beauty of a free society. You get to choose who you sue
and for what reasons. If this scum bag hadn't have purposefully
targeted her with concocted accusations, her life and employ would
have continued undisturbed.


You mean if she had kept her mouth shut and not outed herself as a
racist.

Breitbart has it coming. Perhaps it'll be a lesson to he and others
who think they can smear people with impunity.


Sherrod is the cause of all of her problems. The fact that the cleansing
light of sunshine and transparency has cleaned another racist out of
government is a plus in my book.

Harry  July 30th 10 12:40 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On 7/30/10 7:34 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...
Sherrod resigned. She wasn't fired or otherwise forced out. If she has a
suite it is with OMB.

If the press was sued for printing half the story they would not exist
any more regardless of whether you classify them as main stream media or
another type of media.


She was pressured into resigning as a result of a false smear
perpetrated by Breitbart.


She was pressured into resiging by a knee-jerk reaction by Obama and
Vislack, both of whom are Democrats.

Her only quarrel seems to be with the asshole who smeared her
unfairly.


Her quarrel seems to be with herself and how she is a racist.

That's the beauty of a free society. You get to choose who you sue
and for what reasons. If this scum bag hadn't have purposefully
targeted her with concocted accusations, her life and employ would
have continued undisturbed.


You mean if she had kept her mouth shut and not outed herself as a
racist.

Breitbart has it coming. Perhaps it'll be a lesson to he and others
who think they can smear people with impunity.


Sherrod is the cause of all of her problems. The fact that the cleansing
light of sunshine and transparency has cleaned another racist out of
government is a plus in my book.



You really, truly *are* an ignorant ass.


Harry ? July 30th 10 01:02 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, jps wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.




--
Me



Harry ? July 30th 10 01:06 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
"Harry ?" wrote in message
m...
On 7/30/10 7:34 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...
Sherrod resigned. She wasn't fired or otherwise forced out. If she has
a
suite it is with OMB.

If the press was sued for printing half the story they would not exist
any more regardless of whether you classify them as main stream media
or
another type of media.

She was pressured into resigning as a result of a false smear
perpetrated by Breitbart.


She was pressured into resiging by a knee-jerk reaction by Obama and
Vislack, both of whom are Democrats.

Her only quarrel seems to be with the asshole who smeared her
unfairly.


Her quarrel seems to be with herself and how she is a racist.

That's the beauty of a free society. You get to choose who you sue
and for what reasons. If this scum bag hadn't have purposefully
targeted her with concocted accusations, her life and employ would
have continued undisturbed.


You mean if she had kept her mouth shut and not outed herself as a
racist.

Breitbart has it coming. Perhaps it'll be a lesson to he and others
who think they can smear people with impunity.


Sherrod is the cause of all of her problems. The fact that the cleansing
light of sunshine and transparency has cleaned another racist out of
government is a plus in my book.



You really, truly *are* an ignorant ass.






I am Tosk July 30th 10 03:48 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, jps wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


Personally, I don't give a **** if she found someone to say "she helped
us out in the end"... They seem to find folks to support their lies,
like planting signs in the tea party movement and lying about racial
insults on the steps of the congress...

She is and was a racist, one way or another. Even if she claims to have
"changed". If she was a republican and even knew of a racist, she would
be sent home on a rail, but because she is a dem, she get's another free
pass... just like the cowardly soldier boy, butt **** wanna' bee's that
stood on the steps of the voting booths with clubs and high school
musical, Michael Jackson wardrobe rejects... **** her, she is a racist,
send her packing...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

Harry  July 30th 10 03:51 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On 7/30/10 10:48 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


Personally, I don't give a **** if she found someone to say "she helped
us out in the end"... They seem to find folks to support their lies,
like planting signs in the tea party movement and lying about racial
insults on the steps of the congress...

She is and was a racist, one way or another. Even if she claims to have
"changed". If she was a republican and even knew of a racist, she would
be sent home on a rail, but because she is a dem, she get's another free
pass... just like the cowardly soldier boy, butt **** wanna' bee's that
stood on the steps of the voting booths with clubs and high school
musical, Michael Jackson wardrobe rejects... **** her, she is a racist,
send her packing...


If you are not on meds for your obvious emotional disorders, you ought
to be. Are you sure you don't want a referral to a mental health
professional who can help you re-attach to reality?

Harry? July 30th 10 04:32 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
In article ,
says...

On 7/30/10 10:48 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


Personally, I don't give a **** if she found someone to say "she helped
us out in the end"... They seem to find folks to support their lies,
like planting signs in the tea party movement and lying about racial
insults on the steps of the congress...

She is and was a racist, one way or another. Even if she claims to have
"changed". If she was a republican and even knew of a racist, she would
be sent home on a rail, but because she is a dem, she get's another free
pass... just like the cowardly soldier boy, butt **** wanna' bee's that
stood on the steps of the voting booths with clubs and high school
musical, Michael Jackson wardrobe rejects... **** her, she is a racist,
send her packing...


If you are not on meds for your obvious emotional disorders, you ought
to be. Are you sure you don't want a referral to a mental health
professional who can help you re-attach to reality?


Spoofer alert! My young southern belle wife is a Dr. Dr. Dr. That's
right, three doctorate degrees as chronicled right here on rec.boats.

Harry  July 30th 10 04:53 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On 7/30/10 11:25 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:49:04 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:37:20 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


She's not a public figure and he targeted her specifically and
unfairly characterized her in order to cause her harm.

That isn't protected under the 1st amendment.

Since she was a political appointee and not US Civil Service it would
be easy to say she was a public figure.
This will be an issue before the court. It will really come down to
where she brings the suit and who is on the jury. If she is in DC she
will likely win and since that is where Breitbart works, he has no
reason to get a change of venue.
The only way he can win is if he can successfully bring the freedom of
the press argument up in appeal or of the judge dismisses it in
motions but that is a very good possibility. The courts seem to come
down on the side of journalists most of the time even if the
journalist has an agenda.

Again, the only winners will be the lawyers.



Uh...I doubt Ms. Sherrod would be considered a "public figure" prior to
Breitbart's attack for her purposes of pursuing a defamation lawsuit.
And even if she were a public figure, Breitbart acted with malice. That
negates any claim Breitbart might make that Ms. Sherrod was a public
figure.

Jurors in any fair-minded city where people of color are fairly
represented will decide in her favor, I think.

Let's not forget that Breitbart has a rep for being involved in
defamatory news reports. The videos he funded against Acorn were found
to be "highly edited" to make them inflammatory.

My guess is that Breitbart will want to settle this out of court. I hope
Ms. Sherrod tells him to go **** himself. We have some lawyers in the DC
area who will turn Breitbart inside out. I hope he has significant
assets to lose.

jps July 30th 10 06:06 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:51:11 -0400, Harry ?
wrote:

On 7/30/10 10:48 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


Personally, I don't give a **** if she found someone to say "she helped
us out in the end"... They seem to find folks to support their lies,
like planting signs in the tea party movement and lying about racial
insults on the steps of the congress...

She is and was a racist, one way or another. Even if she claims to have
"changed". If she was a republican and even knew of a racist, she would
be sent home on a rail, but because she is a dem, she get's another free
pass... just like the cowardly soldier boy, butt **** wanna' bee's that
stood on the steps of the voting booths with clubs and high school
musical, Michael Jackson wardrobe rejects... **** her, she is a racist,
send her packing...


If you are not on meds for your obvious emotional disorders, you ought
to be. Are you sure you don't want a referral to a mental health
professional who can help you re-attach to reality?


He stopped listening when they discovered her story was about
reconciliation. Precious minutes of life wasted even addressing his
stupidity.

jps July 30th 10 06:11 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:34:22 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...
Sherrod resigned. She wasn't fired or otherwise forced out. If she has a
suite it is with OMB.

If the press was sued for printing half the story they would not exist
any more regardless of whether you classify them as main stream media or
another type of media.


She was pressured into resigning as a result of a false smear
perpetrated by Breitbart.


She was pressured into resiging by a knee-jerk reaction by Obama and
Vislack, both of whom are Democrats.

Her only quarrel seems to be with the asshole who smeared her
unfairly.


Her quarrel seems to be with herself and how she is a racist.

That's the beauty of a free society. You get to choose who you sue
and for what reasons. If this scum bag hadn't have purposefully
targeted her with concocted accusations, her life and employ would
have continued undisturbed.


You mean if she had kept her mouth shut and not outed herself as a
racist.


You are a stupid idiot, which is not a fresh pronouncement.

She was found to be anything but racist but you're too much of an ass
to listen to the whole story since it doesn't support your simple
conclusion.

All these years of wisely ignoring you and I wasted my time reading
your predictable drivel.

My bad.

nom=de=plume[_2_] July 30th 10 07:55 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:49:04 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:37:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, jps wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


She's not a public figure and he targeted her specifically and
unfairly characterized her in order to cause her harm.

That isn't protected under the 1st amendment.

Since she was a political appointee and not US Civil Service it would
be easy to say she was a public figure.
This will be an issue before the court. It will really come down to
where she brings the suit and who is on the jury. If she is in DC she
will likely win and since that is where Breitbart works, he has no
reason to get a change of venue.


Why would she necessarily win in DC?

The only way he can win is if he can successfully bring the freedom of
the press argument up in appeal or of the judge dismisses it in
motions but that is a very good possibility. The courts seem to come
down on the side of journalists most of the time even if the
journalist has an agenda.


He's not a journalist. You said he would claim to be an entertainer. Which
is it.

Again, the only winners will be the lawyers.


Lawyers always win. lol




nom=de=plume[_2_] July 30th 10 07:56 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

"Harry ?" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, jps wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.




--
Me - stupid






nom=de=plume[_2_] July 30th 10 07:57 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, jps wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


Personally, I don't give a **** if she found someone to say "she helped
us out in the end"... They seem to find folks to support their lies,
like planting signs in the tea party movement and lying about racial
insults on the steps of the congress...

She is and was a racist, one way or another. Even if she claims to have
"changed". If she was a republican and even knew of a racist, she would
be sent home on a rail, but because she is a dem, she get's another free
pass... just like the cowardly soldier boy, butt **** wanna' bee's that
stood on the steps of the voting booths with clubs and high school
musical, Michael Jackson wardrobe rejects... **** her, she is a racist,
send her packing...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!


You're a moron. Her father was murdered at the hands of racists. You're a
racist. You murdered her father.



nom=de=plume[_2_] July 30th 10 07:58 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

"BAR" wrote in message
.. .
In article ,
says...
Sherrod resigned. She wasn't fired or otherwise forced out. If she has a
suite it is with OMB.

If the press was sued for printing half the story they would not exist
any more regardless of whether you classify them as main stream media or
another type of media.


She was pressured into resigning as a result of a false smear
perpetrated by Breitbart.


She was pressured into resiging by a knee-jerk reaction by Obama and
Vislack, both of whom are Democrats.

Her only quarrel seems to be with the asshole who smeared her
unfairly.


Her quarrel seems to be with herself and how she is a racist.

That's the beauty of a free society. You get to choose who you sue
and for what reasons. If this scum bag hadn't have purposefully
targeted her with concocted accusations, her life and employ would
have continued undisturbed.


You mean if she had kept her mouth shut and not outed herself as a
racist.

Breitbart has it coming. Perhaps it'll be a lesson to he and others
who think they can smear people with impunity.


Sherrod is the cause of all of her problems. The fact that the cleansing
light of sunshine and transparency has cleaned another racist out of
government is a plus in my book.


You're a racist moron. That pretty much sums it up.



Harry ? July 30th 10 08:10 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, jps wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


Personally, I don't give a **** if she found someone to say "she helped
us out in the end"... They seem to find folks to support their lies,
like planting signs in the tea party movement and lying about racial
insults on the steps of the congress...

She is and was a racist, one way or another. Even if she claims to have
"changed". If she was a republican and even knew of a racist, she would
be sent home on a rail, but because she is a dem, she get's another free
pass... just like the cowardly soldier boy, butt **** wanna' bee's that
stood on the steps of the voting booths with clubs and high school
musical, Michael Jackson wardrobe rejects... **** her, she is a racist,
send her packing...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!


You're a moron. Her father was murdered at the hands of racists. You're a
racist. You murdered her father.







Siobhan Medeiros[_2_] July 30th 10 08:20 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On Jul 30, 5:02*am, "Harry ?" wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, jps wrote:


Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on *first amendment grounds.


--
Me


Well, let's look at the requirements for a libel conviction:

1. You have to know it's false.

He obviously had to have the full tape in order to edit it, so that's
a given.

2. It has to be done with intent to injure.

Yeah, that's pretty much a given to.

Looks to me like Breitbart's ass is grass.

Harry  July 30th 10 08:29 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On 7/30/10 3:20 PM, Siobhan Medeiros wrote:
On Jul 30, 5:02 am, "Harry wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, wrote:


Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


--
Me


Well, let's look at the requirements for a libel conviction:

1. You have to know it's false.

He obviously had to have the full tape in order to edit it, so that's
a given.

2. It has to be done with intent to injure.

Yeah, that's pretty much a given to.

Looks to me like Breitbart's ass is grass.



The operative word is...malice. Breitbart knew what he was doing, knew
his version of the tape was grossly misleading, and knew it would harm
the woman's reputation.



Harry  July 30th 10 09:35 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On 7/30/10 4:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:53:06 -0400, Harry
wrote:

On 7/30/10 11:25 AM,
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:49:04 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:37:20 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.

She's not a public figure and he targeted her specifically and
unfairly characterized her in order to cause her harm.

That isn't protected under the 1st amendment.
Since she was a political appointee and not US Civil Service it would
be easy to say she was a public figure.
This will be an issue before the court. It will really come down to
where she brings the suit and who is on the jury. If she is in DC she
will likely win and since that is where Breitbart works, he has no
reason to get a change of venue.
The only way he can win is if he can successfully bring the freedom of
the press argument up in appeal or of the judge dismisses it in
motions but that is a very good possibility. The courts seem to come
down on the side of journalists most of the time even if the
journalist has an agenda.

Again, the only winners will be the lawyers.



Uh...I doubt Ms. Sherrod would be considered a "public figure" prior to
Breitbart's attack for her purposes of pursuing a defamation lawsuit.
And even if she were a public figure, Breitbart acted with malice. That
negates any claim Breitbart might make that Ms. Sherrod was a public
figure.

Jurors in any fair-minded city where people of color are fairly
represented will decide in her favor, I think.

Let's not forget that Breitbart has a rep for being involved in
defamatory news reports. The videos he funded against Acorn were found
to be "highly edited" to make them inflammatory.

My guess is that Breitbart will want to settle this out of court. I hope
Ms. Sherrod tells him to go **** himself. We have some lawyers in the DC
area who will turn Breitbart inside out. I hope he has significant
assets to lose.


The strange thing is, it will be the media that ends up supporting
Breitbart. They don't want the precedent that an edited tape is
slander no matter what the motive is.
TV news is all edited tape. They will take a 40 minute speech and
cherry pick out one line that makes the speaker look stupid, simply as
what they do.



There you go with that moral equivalency again. Breitbart's edited tape
made a woman who was talking about the need for reconciliation into a
racist.

Harry  July 30th 10 09:40 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On 7/30/10 4:36 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:55:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The only way he can win is if he can successfully bring the freedom of
the press argument up in appeal or of the judge dismisses it in
motions but that is a very good possibility. The courts seem to come
down on the side of journalists most of the time even if the
journalist has an agenda.


He's not a journalist. You said he would claim to be an entertainer. Which
is it.

I believe he works for the Washington Times (newspaper)
He also has a blog.

Again, the only winners will be the lawyers.


Lawyers always win. lol


They collect 100% from the defendant and 30-50% from the plaintiff.
That is more than just winning. You can see why torts are so near and
dear to the legal profession.
Even when they lose, they get to deduct all of their expenses from
their taxes.



Gee...will BP deduct the cost of the cleanup from the taxes it doesn't pay?

nom=de=plume[_2_] July 30th 10 09:42 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:53:06 -0400, Harry ?
wrote:

On 7/30/10 11:25 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:49:04 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:37:20 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.

She's not a public figure and he targeted her specifically and
unfairly characterized her in order to cause her harm.

That isn't protected under the 1st amendment.
Since she was a political appointee and not US Civil Service it would
be easy to say she was a public figure.
This will be an issue before the court. It will really come down to
where she brings the suit and who is on the jury. If she is in DC she
will likely win and since that is where Breitbart works, he has no
reason to get a change of venue.
The only way he can win is if he can successfully bring the freedom of
the press argument up in appeal or of the judge dismisses it in
motions but that is a very good possibility. The courts seem to come
down on the side of journalists most of the time even if the
journalist has an agenda.

Again, the only winners will be the lawyers.



Uh...I doubt Ms. Sherrod would be considered a "public figure" prior to
Breitbart's attack for her purposes of pursuing a defamation lawsuit.
And even if she were a public figure, Breitbart acted with malice. That
negates any claim Breitbart might make that Ms. Sherrod was a public
figure.

Jurors in any fair-minded city where people of color are fairly
represented will decide in her favor, I think.

Let's not forget that Breitbart has a rep for being involved in
defamatory news reports. The videos he funded against Acorn were found
to be "highly edited" to make them inflammatory.

My guess is that Breitbart will want to settle this out of court. I hope
Ms. Sherrod tells him to go **** himself. We have some lawyers in the DC
area who will turn Breitbart inside out. I hope he has significant
assets to lose.


The strange thing is, it will be the media that ends up supporting
Breitbart. They don't want the precedent that an edited tape is
slander no matter what the motive is.
TV news is all edited tape. They will take a 40 minute speech and
cherry pick out one line that makes the speaker look stupid, simply as
what they do.


I doubt it. This isn't anything like the media's defense of Larry Flint.



nom=de=plume[_2_] July 30th 10 09:47 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:55:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The only way he can win is if he can successfully bring the freedom of
the press argument up in appeal or of the judge dismisses it in
motions but that is a very good possibility. The courts seem to come
down on the side of journalists most of the time even if the
journalist has an agenda.


He's not a journalist. You said he would claim to be an entertainer. Which
is it.

I believe he works for the Washington Times (newspaper)
He also has a blog.

Again, the only winners will be the lawyers.


Lawyers always win. lol


They collect 100% from the defendant and 30-50% from the plaintiff.
That is more than just winning. You can see why torts are so near and
dear to the legal profession.
Even when they lose, they get to deduct all of their expenses from
their taxes.


Then, he can't claim he's an entertainer.

Huh? Lawyers don't collect 100% from anyone. That's nonsense.

Well, expenses are expenses. Not sure what that has to do with anything. If
a plumber tries and fails to fix a busted toilet, should he be prevented
from deducting the cost of the parts?



BAR[_2_] July 30th 10 10:35 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:53:06 -0400, Harry ?
wrote:

On 7/30/10 11:25 AM,
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:49:04 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:37:20 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.

She's not a public figure and he targeted her specifically and
unfairly characterized her in order to cause her harm.

That isn't protected under the 1st amendment.
Since she was a political appointee and not US Civil Service it would
be easy to say she was a public figure.
This will be an issue before the court. It will really come down to
where she brings the suit and who is on the jury. If she is in DC she
will likely win and since that is where Breitbart works, he has no
reason to get a change of venue.
The only way he can win is if he can successfully bring the freedom of
the press argument up in appeal or of the judge dismisses it in
motions but that is a very good possibility. The courts seem to come
down on the side of journalists most of the time even if the
journalist has an agenda.

Again, the only winners will be the lawyers.



Uh...I doubt Ms. Sherrod would be considered a "public figure" prior to
Breitbart's attack for her purposes of pursuing a defamation lawsuit.
And even if she were a public figure, Breitbart acted with malice. That
negates any claim Breitbart might make that Ms. Sherrod was a public
figure.

Jurors in any fair-minded city where people of color are fairly
represented will decide in her favor, I think.

Let's not forget that Breitbart has a rep for being involved in
defamatory news reports. The videos he funded against Acorn were found
to be "highly edited" to make them inflammatory.

My guess is that Breitbart will want to settle this out of court. I hope
Ms. Sherrod tells him to go **** himself. We have some lawyers in the DC
area who will turn Breitbart inside out. I hope he has significant


Bingo, we have a winner. Someone who understands what happened in this
case and what happens with the press all of the time.

Charles C. July 30th 10 11:37 PM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...


You're deluded. Everyone involved has acknowledged she was forced to
resign.




Why? Something is fishy about this whole story.

Ms. Sherrod has demonstrated that she is an intelligent woman with years of
public service experience. Seems to me that the first logical question she
(or anyone) would ask when request to resign a job would be, "Why?" How
many people would immediately resign with no reason given for the request?
If the reason was given, why didn't she challenge the accuracy of the edited
video - without submitting her resignation.

Doesn't make sense.

CC


nom=de=plume[_2_] July 31st 10 12:43 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

"Charles C." wrote in message
...


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...


You're deluded. Everyone involved has acknowledged she was forced to
resign.




Why? Something is fishy about this whole story.

Ms. Sherrod has demonstrated that she is an intelligent woman with years
of public service experience. Seems to me that the first logical question
she (or anyone) would ask when request to resign a job would be, "Why?"
How many people would immediately resign with no reason given for the
request? If the reason was given, why didn't she challenge the accuracy of
the edited video - without submitting her resignation.

Doesn't make sense.

CC


Sure it does. She was technically appointed to the position, so she can be
technically fired. She was asked to resign, which is pretty standard
practice. There was a lot of pressure to do so. They called her and asked
her to do it immediately over the phone. Same with McCrystal. He was forced
to resign. Sure, he could have said no, but that wasn't protocol.

You also have to remember that she probably didn't know what exactly was on
the edited vid.


BAR[_2_] July 31st 10 12:48 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:34:22 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...
Sherrod resigned. She wasn't fired or otherwise forced out. If she has a
suite it is with OMB.

If the press was sued for printing half the story they would not exist
any more regardless of whether you classify them as main stream media or
another type of media.

She was pressured into resigning as a result of a false smear
perpetrated by Breitbart.


She was pressured into resiging by a knee-jerk reaction by Obama and
Vislack, both of whom are Democrats.

Her only quarrel seems to be with the asshole who smeared her
unfairly.


Her quarrel seems to be with herself and how she is a racist.

That's the beauty of a free society. You get to choose who you sue
and for what reasons. If this scum bag hadn't have purposefully
targeted her with concocted accusations, her life and employ would
have continued undisturbed.


You mean if she had kept her mouth shut and not outed herself as a
racist.


You are a stupid idiot, which is not a fresh pronouncement.

She was found to be anything but racist but you're too much of an ass
to listen to the whole story since it doesn't support your simple
conclusion.

All these years of wisely ignoring you and I wasted my time reading
your predictable drivel.

My bad.


Any organization that promotes one race over another race is a racist
organization. If it is fair to have an NAACP then it is fair to have an
NAAAP, NAAEP, .... What is the criteria for creating a race based
organization?

The members of the Congressional Black Caucus are racist. Membership in
that organization has nothing to do with the constituency of the member
but the race of the member himself. Are we not a representative
republic?

What will be the excuse of the people in the world when poverty still
exists once the people of the world have truly jumped into the melting
pot. Will the distinctions be the varying shades of browness?

I am Tosk July 31st 10 01:10 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
In article ,
says...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...


You're deluded. Everyone involved has acknowledged she was forced to
resign.




Why? Something is fishy about this whole story.

Ms. Sherrod has demonstrated that she is an intelligent woman with years of
public service experience. Seems to me that the first logical question she
(or anyone) would ask when request to resign a job would be, "Why?" How
many people would immediately resign with no reason given for the request?
If the reason was given, why didn't she challenge the accuracy of the edited
video - without submitting her resignation.

Doesn't make sense.

CC


Well, it makes sense if the whole story of the calls to the cell phone
were accurate, and I have serious doubts. Still more falling on a sword
for this idiot president...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!

nom=de=plume[_2_] July 31st 10 06:12 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...


You're deluded. Everyone involved has acknowledged she was forced to
resign.




Why? Something is fishy about this whole story.

Ms. Sherrod has demonstrated that she is an intelligent woman with years
of
public service experience. Seems to me that the first logical question
she
(or anyone) would ask when request to resign a job would be, "Why?"
How
many people would immediately resign with no reason given for the
request?
If the reason was given, why didn't she challenge the accuracy of the
edited
video - without submitting her resignation.

Doesn't make sense.

CC


Well, it makes sense if the whole story of the calls to the cell phone
were accurate, and I have serious doubts. Still more falling on a sword
for this idiot president...

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese!


Still an idiot I see...



nom=de=plume[_2_] July 31st 10 06:13 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:34:22 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...
Sherrod resigned. She wasn't fired or otherwise forced out. If she
has a
suite it is with OMB.

If the press was sued for printing half the story they would not
exist
any more regardless of whether you classify them as main stream media
or
another type of media.

She was pressured into resigning as a result of a false smear
perpetrated by Breitbart.

She was pressured into resiging by a knee-jerk reaction by Obama and
Vislack, both of whom are Democrats.

Her only quarrel seems to be with the asshole who smeared her
unfairly.

Her quarrel seems to be with herself and how she is a racist.

That's the beauty of a free society. You get to choose who you sue
and for what reasons. If this scum bag hadn't have purposefully
targeted her with concocted accusations, her life and employ would
have continued undisturbed.

You mean if she had kept her mouth shut and not outed herself as a
racist.


You are a stupid idiot, which is not a fresh pronouncement.

She was found to be anything but racist but you're too much of an ass
to listen to the whole story since it doesn't support your simple
conclusion.

All these years of wisely ignoring you and I wasted my time reading
your predictable drivel.

My bad.


Any organization that promotes one race over another race is a racist
organization. If it is fair to have an NAACP then it is fair to have an
NAAAP, NAAEP, .... What is the criteria for creating a race based
organization?

The members of the Congressional Black Caucus are racist. Membership in
that organization has nothing to do with the constituency of the member
but the race of the member himself. Are we not a representative
republic?

What will be the excuse of the people in the world when poverty still
exists once the people of the world have truly jumped into the melting
pot. Will the distinctions be the varying shades of browness?


I guess your father was never lynched by an angry mob. MORON



Bill McKee July 31st 10 06:14 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 

"Harry ?" wrote in message
m...
On 7/30/10 4:36 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:55:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

The only way he can win is if he can successfully bring the freedom of
the press argument up in appeal or of the judge dismisses it in
motions but that is a very good possibility. The courts seem to come
down on the side of journalists most of the time even if the
journalist has an agenda.

He's not a journalist. You said he would claim to be an entertainer.
Which
is it.

I believe he works for the Washington Times (newspaper)
He also has a blog.

Again, the only winners will be the lawyers.

Lawyers always win. lol


They collect 100% from the defendant and 30-50% from the plaintiff.
That is more than just winning. You can see why torts are so near and
dear to the legal profession.
Even when they lose, they get to deduct all of their expenses from
their taxes.



Gee...will BP deduct the cost of the cleanup from the taxes it doesn't
pay?


Gee...will BP deduct the cost of the cleanup from the taxes it doesn't pay?

Business expense. Same as your Walmart printer and chair.



[email protected] July 31st 10 07:22 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
jps wrote in
:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:37:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, jps

wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I

imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.


She's not a public figure and he targeted her specifically and
unfairly characterized her in order to cause her harm.

That isn't protected under the 1st amendment.


Ha Ha, you poor dumb lame armchair lawyers. It will never get to
1st amendment, malice or anything else. Truth is complete defense
to liable. Nothing he posted was untrue. The video was not
edited, it was truncated. There is a huge difference. He showed
part, but the part he showed was real. She said those remarks,
and if she took them back five minutes later, that's her problem.
And she admitted to being a racist when she met the farmer. Maybe
she reformed, but again, too bad. And then there is the opinion
defense which probably protects his written comments about her
being a racist. And BTW, who the **** cares if she was a public
figure when she made he speech, the question is, is she a public
figure when the alleged libel was committed. If you're a public
figure, the media can print stories that you cheated in 2nd grade
with relative impunity (Bush snorted coke back in college and
deserted the National Guard. BTW, did Dan Rather ever half to pay
Bush on that one?) If you have any reason to believe it to be
true, even if not, and the "victim" is a public figure, the
public figure is screwed.

Is Shirley Sherrod a public figure? HA! not even debatable. Of
course she is! She's an appointed government official who's
fitness for her position, not to metion whether she broke federal
law by discriminating, has been called into question.

This guy has so many defenses, the only issue is if he can't get
backers and she buries him in legal fees. Otherwise, when the day
is done, maybe on appeal, he wins hands down. You may hate him, I
don't particularly like him, but don't kid yourself, he gets off.

jps July 31st 10 08:12 AM

Breitbart to be sued by Sherrod
 
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:32:49 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:53:06 -0400, Harry ?
wrote:

On 7/30/10 11:25 AM,
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:49:04 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:37:20 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:32:29 -0700, wrote:

Breitbart is an asshole who should get his ass kicked but I imagine he
will win on first amendment grounds.

She's not a public figure and he targeted her specifically and
unfairly characterized her in order to cause her harm.

That isn't protected under the 1st amendment.
Since she was a political appointee and not US Civil Service it would
be easy to say she was a public figure.
This will be an issue before the court. It will really come down to
where she brings the suit and who is on the jury. If she is in DC she
will likely win and since that is where Breitbart works, he has no
reason to get a change of venue.
The only way he can win is if he can successfully bring the freedom of
the press argument up in appeal or of the judge dismisses it in
motions but that is a very good possibility. The courts seem to come
down on the side of journalists most of the time even if the
journalist has an agenda.

Again, the only winners will be the lawyers.



Uh...I doubt Ms. Sherrod would be considered a "public figure" prior to
Breitbart's attack for her purposes of pursuing a defamation lawsuit.
And even if she were a public figure, Breitbart acted with malice. That
negates any claim Breitbart might make that Ms. Sherrod was a public
figure.

Jurors in any fair-minded city where people of color are fairly
represented will decide in her favor, I think.

Let's not forget that Breitbart has a rep for being involved in
defamatory news reports. The videos he funded against Acorn were found
to be "highly edited" to make them inflammatory.

My guess is that Breitbart will want to settle this out of court. I hope
Ms. Sherrod tells him to go **** himself. We have some lawyers in the DC
area who will turn Breitbart inside out. I hope he has significant
assets to lose.


The strange thing is, it will be the media that ends up supporting
Breitbart. They don't want the precedent that an edited tape is
slander no matter what the motive is.
TV news is all edited tape. They will take a 40 minute speech and
cherry pick out one line that makes the speaker look stupid, simply as
what they do.


There's a difference between editing for brevity and editing for
effect. There's a further difference between reasonable
representation and outright malice.

Anyone viewing the end product couldn't help but find Breitbart guilty
of willful misrepresentation to harm Ms. Sherrod's reputation.


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