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Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck.
I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
"Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Tim, I like exterior fir plywood. Marine ply is the same wood and glue but more layers and a solid core. Fir stands up to wet environments, unlike pine and the glue is waterproof. Exterior fir was 1/2 the price last time I did bought any. maybe 2 years ago. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I think a lot depends on how long you expect to keep the boat, and how much value you put on your time and effort. There's no question that the marine grade is more durable over the long term and it has fewer voids. I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Check the weight. The artificial decking that we have on our dock is quite heavy. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this: http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
On Jul 20, 4:11*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H The beach house we have access to in Hilton Head has that on the walkway to the dunes and on the deck that sits on the dunes at the beach. It's at least 15 years old, and still looks great. Only problem is that they have sagged in places between the joists holding them up, worse than a wooden board would have in the same situation. They seem to need a little more support? Might be worth talking to a local professional about that. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:06:50 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote:
On Jul 20, 4:11*pm, John H wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H The beach house we have access to in Hilton Head has that on the walkway to the dunes and on the deck that sits on the dunes at the beach. It's at least 15 years old, and still looks great. Only problem is that they have sagged in places between the joists holding them up, worse than a wooden board would have in the same situation. They seem to need a little more support? Might be worth talking to a local professional about that. Good idea, thanks. -- John H |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
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Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! I looked at everything when I decked my pontoon boat 20 years ago. We had a Wolman plant here at the time and they offered to pressure treat any plywood I would bring them but the guy who ran the plant said PT really only protects it from bugs. If water is your issue, save your money. I ended up with MDO plywood (one side) and it is still going strong after 20 years in salt water. That is basically 7 layer exterior grade plywood with one MDF layer. You would probably have the same luck with BC The main thing is to be sure everything is sealed before you put it in and seal all penetrations. The only bad spot I have found in my current rehab is from an unsealed penetration. Cut all of your pieces to size, paint them on all 6 sides with 2 coats then install them. Paint it again to cover the screws. Bristol Palin will be running for president before that plywood goes bad. I worked on a sailboat once that had a PT plywood sole and where it met, the aluminium mast was badly pitted. I thought it may have been caused by the cyanic acid? |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
On Jul 20, 3:11*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H John, this is the crap we used on our front porch. It faces the west and gets all the harsh summer sun and the rain etc. We redid our porch twice with treated tongue and groove pine and it was rotting in 5 years. Enough was enough. This stuff is extremely durable, looks and feels and acts like wood. We've been satisfied for 10 years now. http://www.ebuild.com/product-detail...rds/319691.hwx So I was thinking of using this stuff decking the boat from side to side instead of long ways from bow to stern. Just a thought, though. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
"Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Tim a real good grade of plywood will work fine just give it a coat or 2 of epoxy resin to seal it, regardless of what you use and by all means if you go with treated use only stainless steel fasteners or the new treated wood will eat the fasteners in short order. I think you can use acetone to thin your first coat of epoxy so it will penatrate well. I'm sure thers info on this subject at Iboats |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
On Jul 20, 5:12*pm, "Happy" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Tim a real good grade of plywood will work fine just give it a coat or 2 of epoxy resin to seal it, regardless of what you use and by all means if you go with treated use only stainless steel fasteners or the new treated wood will eat the fasteners in short order. I think you can use acetone to thin your first coat of epoxy so it will penatrate well. I'm sure thers info on this subject at Iboats I've been looking and studying. There's a guy on there that is re- doing a cuddy (I forget what make) which is identical (almost) to my Marquis. Come to think of it there's two makes on iboats in the restore dept that are so close to mine that you could swear they were punched out of the same place. Maybe they were. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
Tim wrote:
I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! And slippery as hell. Are you going to carpet over it? Starboard isn't cheap but it's another option if you are using carpet. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
John H wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this: http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. It's durable but heavy, like Wayne said. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
Jack wrote:
On Jul 20, 4:11 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H The beach house we have access to in Hilton Head has that on the walkway to the dunes and on the deck that sits on the dunes at the beach. It's at least 15 years old, and still looks great. Only problem is that they have sagged in places between the joists holding them up, worse than a wooden board would have in the same situation. They seem to need a little more support? Might be worth talking to a local professional about that. It's likely Trex if it's that old and that is recycled plastic and wood fiber. It will certainly expand with the heat. The joists should be on 16" centers for the 5/4" boards. Closer (12") for commercial applications. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:18:27 -0400, Larry wrote:
It's likely Trex if it's that old and that is recycled plastic and wood fiber. It will certainly expand with the heat. The joists should be on 16" centers for the 5/4" boards. Closer (12") for commercial applications. Just my 2 cents worth but I'd be concerned about the weight. 3/4 inch plywood is much lighter, probably less than half. Decent plywood properly sealed with epoxy or good paint will last a long time. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
On Jul 20, 6:14*pm, Larry wrote:
Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! And slippery as hell. *Are you going to carpet over it? *Starboard isn't cheap but it's another option if you are using carpet. Lar, this stuff we used on the front porch has a simulated wood grain in the product, it really does look like wood. while wet and with bare feet you couldn't slip on it if you had to. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
"Jack" wrote in message ... On Jul 20, 4:11 pm, John H wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H The beach house we have access to in Hilton Head has that on the walkway to the dunes and on the deck that sits on the dunes at the beach. It's at least 15 years old, and still looks great. Only problem is that they have sagged in places between the joists holding them up, worse than a wooden board would have in the same situation. They seem to need a little more support? Might be worth talking to a local professional about that. Needs double the support. And depending on the batch, there are failures also. My buddy got replacement for his Trex last year. I am in the process for a new deck from Trex myself. They had a bad plasticizer for a few years. Unfortunately they replace the deck material but not the labor or the $330 were of deck screws required. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:18:27 -0400, Larry wrote: It's likely Trex if it's that old and that is recycled plastic and wood fiber. It will certainly expand with the heat. The joists should be on 16" centers for the 5/4" boards. Closer (12") for commercial applications. Just my 2 cents worth but I'd be concerned about the weight. 3/4 inch plywood is much lighter, probably less than half. Decent plywood properly sealed with epoxy or good paint will last a long time. My deck of PT ply with Nautolex lasted 15 years. Was not marine as did not need the strength of no voids. I would use marine on a transom but not necessarily on the floor. I replaced my deck with ACX PT. 5/8th I think. But been a couple years. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
"mmc" wrote in message ng.com... wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! I looked at everything when I decked my pontoon boat 20 years ago. We had a Wolman plant here at the time and they offered to pressure treat any plywood I would bring them but the guy who ran the plant said PT really only protects it from bugs. If water is your issue, save your money. I ended up with MDO plywood (one side) and it is still going strong after 20 years in salt water. That is basically 7 layer exterior grade plywood with one MDF layer. You would probably have the same luck with BC The main thing is to be sure everything is sealed before you put it in and seal all penetrations. The only bad spot I have found in my current rehab is from an unsealed penetration. Cut all of your pieces to size, paint them on all 6 sides with 2 coats then install them. Paint it again to cover the screws. Bristol Palin will be running for president before that plywood goes bad. I worked on a sailboat once that had a PT plywood sole and where it met, the aluminium mast was badly pitted. I thought it may have been caused by the cyanic acid? Nope, the copper is not friendly to aluminum in a wet inviroment. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
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says... "Jack" wrote in message ... On Jul 20, 4:11 pm, John H wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H The beach house we have access to in Hilton Head has that on the walkway to the dunes and on the deck that sits on the dunes at the beach. It's at least 15 years old, and still looks great. Only problem is that they have sagged in places between the joists holding them up, worse than a wooden board would have in the same situation. They seem to need a little more support? Might be worth talking to a local professional about that. Needs double the support. And depending on the batch, there are failures also. My buddy got replacement for his Trex last year. I am in the process for a new deck from Trex myself. They had a bad plasticizer for a few years. Unfortunately they replace the deck material but not the labor or the $330 were of deck screws required. Man, I have seen a lot of that stuff that walks a mile with temperature chage. I think it was Dick that had a whole thread about it a while back, I think he had a good experience with it... -- Rowdy Mouse Racing - We race for cheese! |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
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Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
"Califbill" wrote in message m... "mmc" wrote in message ng.com... wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! I looked at everything when I decked my pontoon boat 20 years ago. We had a Wolman plant here at the time and they offered to pressure treat any plywood I would bring them but the guy who ran the plant said PT really only protects it from bugs. If water is your issue, save your money. I ended up with MDO plywood (one side) and it is still going strong after 20 years in salt water. That is basically 7 layer exterior grade plywood with one MDF layer. You would probably have the same luck with BC The main thing is to be sure everything is sealed before you put it in and seal all penetrations. The only bad spot I have found in my current rehab is from an unsealed penetration. Cut all of your pieces to size, paint them on all 6 sides with 2 coats then install them. Paint it again to cover the screws. Bristol Palin will be running for president before that plywood goes bad. I worked on a sailboat once that had a PT plywood sole and where it met, the aluminium mast was badly pitted. I thought it may have been caused by the cyanic acid? Nope, the copper is not friendly to aluminum in a wet inviroment. Is ther copper in pressure treated plywood? |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
"mmc" wrote in message g.com... "Califbill" wrote in message m... "mmc" wrote in message ng.com... wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! I looked at everything when I decked my pontoon boat 20 years ago. We had a Wolman plant here at the time and they offered to pressure treat any plywood I would bring them but the guy who ran the plant said PT really only protects it from bugs. If water is your issue, save your money. I ended up with MDO plywood (one side) and it is still going strong after 20 years in salt water. That is basically 7 layer exterior grade plywood with one MDF layer. You would probably have the same luck with BC The main thing is to be sure everything is sealed before you put it in and seal all penetrations. The only bad spot I have found in my current rehab is from an unsealed penetration. Cut all of your pieces to size, paint them on all 6 sides with 2 coats then install them. Paint it again to cover the screws. Bristol Palin will be running for president before that plywood goes bad. I worked on a sailboat once that had a PT plywood sole and where it met, the aluminium mast was badly pitted. I thought it may have been caused by the cyanic acid? Nope, the copper is not friendly to aluminum in a wet inviroment. Is ther copper in pressure treated plywood? Yup. Used to be copper arsenate (CCA). Now it is a copper only solution. http://www.strongtie.com/productuse/PTWoodFAQs.html |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:26:01 -0400, "mmc" wrote: Nope, the copper is not friendly to aluminum in a wet inviroment. Is ther copper in pressure treated plywood? That is what makes it green Chromated Copper Arsenate I like the green too. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
"Califbill" wrote in message m... "mmc" wrote in message g.com... "Califbill" wrote in message m... "mmc" wrote in message ng.com... wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! I looked at everything when I decked my pontoon boat 20 years ago. We had a Wolman plant here at the time and they offered to pressure treat any plywood I would bring them but the guy who ran the plant said PT really only protects it from bugs. If water is your issue, save your money. I ended up with MDO plywood (one side) and it is still going strong after 20 years in salt water. That is basically 7 layer exterior grade plywood with one MDF layer. You would probably have the same luck with BC The main thing is to be sure everything is sealed before you put it in and seal all penetrations. The only bad spot I have found in my current rehab is from an unsealed penetration. Cut all of your pieces to size, paint them on all 6 sides with 2 coats then install them. Paint it again to cover the screws. Bristol Palin will be running for president before that plywood goes bad. I worked on a sailboat once that had a PT plywood sole and where it met, the aluminium mast was badly pitted. I thought it may have been caused by the cyanic acid? Nope, the copper is not friendly to aluminum in a wet inviroment. Is ther copper in pressure treated plywood? Yup. Used to be copper arsenate (CCA). Now it is a copper only solution. http://www.strongtie.com/productuse/PTWoodFAQs.html Ah galvanic action. Good reason not to butt up to, bolt or clamp to aluminum. Thanks. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:18:27 -0400, wrote: It's likely Trex if it's that old and that is recycled plastic and wood fiber. It will certainly expand with the heat. The joists should be on 16" centers for the 5/4" boards. Closer (12") for commercial applications. Just my 2 cents worth but I'd be concerned about the weight. 3/4 inch plywood is much lighter, probably less than half. Decent plywood properly sealed with epoxy or good paint will last a long time. I agree. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
John H wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:44:04 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:07:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jul 20, 3:11 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H John, this is the crap we used on our front porch. It faces the west and gets all the harsh summer sun and the rain etc. We redid our porch twice with treated tongue and groove pine and it was rotting in 5 years. Enough was enough. This stuff is extremely durable, looks and feels and acts like wood. We've been satisfied for 10 years now. http://www.ebuild.com/product-detail...rds/319691.hwx So I was thinking of using this stuff decking the boat from side to side instead of long ways from bow to stern. Just a thought, though. The problem with the Trex type stuff is the span is about 60% of what you can get with the same size wood and it is heavy. I have some as a ring around the base of my console and it does hold up well but there is no span issue there. I'm wanting to resurface my deck. The span would be about 18". Think that's enough? That's too far for composites like Trex. 16" is the absolute minimum. They can sag with the heat. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
Tim wrote:
On Jul 20, 6:14 pm, wrote: Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! And slippery as hell. Are you going to carpet over it? Starboard isn't cheap but it's another option if you are using carpet. Lar, this stuff we used on the front porch has a simulated wood grain in the product, it really does look like wood. while wet and with bare feet you couldn't slip on it if you had to. That's the newer stuff. The old Trex was smooth and slippery. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:27:06 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: Nope, the copper is not friendly to aluminum in a wet inviroment. Is ther copper in pressure treated plywood? Yup. Used to be copper arsenate (CCA). Now it is a copper only solution. http://www.strongtie.com/productuse/PTWoodFAQs.html You can still get CCA lumber at a marine supplier. I know, but at least here, could not find any in the San Francisco Bay area. Maybe Oregon. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:54:24 -0400, Larry wrote:
John H wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:44:04 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:07:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jul 20, 3:11 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H John, this is the crap we used on our front porch. It faces the west and gets all the harsh summer sun and the rain etc. We redid our porch twice with treated tongue and groove pine and it was rotting in 5 years. Enough was enough. This stuff is extremely durable, looks and feels and acts like wood. We've been satisfied for 10 years now. http://www.ebuild.com/product-detail...rds/319691.hwx So I was thinking of using this stuff decking the boat from side to side instead of long ways from bow to stern. Just a thought, though. The problem with the Trex type stuff is the span is about 60% of what you can get with the same size wood and it is heavy. I have some as a ring around the base of my console and it does hold up well but there is no span issue there. I'm wanting to resurface my deck. The span would be about 18". Think that's enough? That's too far for composites like Trex. 16" is the absolute minimum. They can sag with the heat. Crap. Not good news. That would mean a lot more than simple resurfacing. -- John H |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:16:40 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:00:04 -0400, John H wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:54:24 -0400, Larry wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:44:04 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:07:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jul 20, 3:11 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H John, this is the crap we used on our front porch. It faces the west and gets all the harsh summer sun and the rain etc. We redid our porch twice with treated tongue and groove pine and it was rotting in 5 years. Enough was enough. This stuff is extremely durable, looks and feels and acts like wood. We've been satisfied for 10 years now. http://www.ebuild.com/product-detail...rds/319691.hwx So I was thinking of using this stuff decking the boat from side to side instead of long ways from bow to stern. Just a thought, though. The problem with the Trex type stuff is the span is about 60% of what you can get with the same size wood and it is heavy. I have some as a ring around the base of my console and it does hold up well but there is no span issue there. I'm wanting to resurface my deck. The span would be about 18". Think that's enough? That's too far for composites like Trex. 16" is the absolute minimum. They can sag with the heat. Crap. Not good news. That would mean a lot more than simple resurfacing. They do make Trex type decking in 1.5" thickness that will span farther. You need to go to a real lumber yard tho, not HD/Lowes. We used it to replace dock lumber at our community boat ramp. Thanks, I'll check it out. -- John H |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:00:04 -0400, John H wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:54:24 -0400, Larry wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:44:04 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:07:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jul 20, 3:11 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H John, this is the crap we used on our front porch. It faces the west and gets all the harsh summer sun and the rain etc. We redid our porch twice with treated tongue and groove pine and it was rotting in 5 years. Enough was enough. This stuff is extremely durable, looks and feels and acts like wood. We've been satisfied for 10 years now. http://www.ebuild.com/product-detail...rds/319691.hwx So I was thinking of using this stuff decking the boat from side to side instead of long ways from bow to stern. Just a thought, though. The problem with the Trex type stuff is the span is about 60% of what you can get with the same size wood and it is heavy. I have some as a ring around the base of my console and it does hold up well but there is no span issue there. I'm wanting to resurface my deck. The span would be about 18". Think that's enough? That's too far for composites like Trex. 16" is the absolute minimum. They can sag with the heat. Crap. Not good news. That would mean a lot more than simple resurfacing. They do make Trex type decking in 1.5" thickness that will span farther. You need to go to a real lumber yard tho, not HD/Lowes. We used it to replace dock lumber at our community boat ramp. If you have 24" centers on the joists, just add a stringer in between and make it 12" centers. Fairly easy. Is what I did on my deck, changing from redwood to Trex. and kept the same base piling spacing. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
"John H" wrote in message
... On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:16:40 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:00:04 -0400, John H wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:54:24 -0400, Larry wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:44:04 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:07:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jul 20, 3:11 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H John, this is the crap we used on our front porch. It faces the west and gets all the harsh summer sun and the rain etc. We redid our porch twice with treated tongue and groove pine and it was rotting in 5 years. Enough was enough. This stuff is extremely durable, looks and feels and acts like wood. We've been satisfied for 10 years now. http://www.ebuild.com/product-detail...rds/319691.hwx So I was thinking of using this stuff decking the boat from side to side instead of long ways from bow to stern. Just a thought, though. The problem with the Trex type stuff is the span is about 60% of what you can get with the same size wood and it is heavy. I have some as a ring around the base of my console and it does hold up well but there is no span issue there. I'm wanting to resurface my deck. The span would be about 18". Think that's enough? That's too far for composites like Trex. 16" is the absolute minimum. They can sag with the heat. Crap. Not good news. That would mean a lot more than simple resurfacing. They do make Trex type decking in 1.5" thickness that will span farther. You need to go to a real lumber yard tho, not HD/Lowes. We used it to replace dock lumber at our community boat ramp. Thanks, I'll check it out. -- John H Double up on your joists. 9" spacing would make your deck solid as a rock. The fishing pier at Fort Clinch is done with 5/4 on 12 " centers. I didn't notice any sagging or bounciness. -- Harold |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:56:39 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:00:04 -0400, John H wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:54:24 -0400, Larry wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:44:04 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:07:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jul 20, 3:11 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H John, this is the crap we used on our front porch. It faces the west and gets all the harsh summer sun and the rain etc. We redid our porch twice with treated tongue and groove pine and it was rotting in 5 years. Enough was enough. This stuff is extremely durable, looks and feels and acts like wood. We've been satisfied for 10 years now. http://www.ebuild.com/product-detail...rds/319691.hwx So I was thinking of using this stuff decking the boat from side to side instead of long ways from bow to stern. Just a thought, though. The problem with the Trex type stuff is the span is about 60% of what you can get with the same size wood and it is heavy. I have some as a ring around the base of my console and it does hold up well but there is no span issue there. I'm wanting to resurface my deck. The span would be about 18". Think that's enough? That's too far for composites like Trex. 16" is the absolute minimum. They can sag with the heat. Crap. Not good news. That would mean a lot more than simple resurfacing. They do make Trex type decking in 1.5" thickness that will span farther. You need to go to a real lumber yard tho, not HD/Lowes. We used it to replace dock lumber at our community boat ramp. If you have 24" centers on the joists, just add a stringer in between and make it 12" centers. Fairly easy. Is what I did on my deck, changing from redwood to Trex. and kept the same base piling spacing. I may not be in as bad a shape as I thought. My uncalibrated eyeballs and large feet gave me the 18" estimate. A ruler gives me 16" centers. -- John H |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:27:24 -0400, "mmc" wrote: "Califbill" wrote in message news:I5GdnVHTnL2ExdrRnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@earthlink. com... "mmc" wrote in message g.com... "Califbill" wrote in message m... "mmc" wrote in message ng.com... wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! I looked at everything when I decked my pontoon boat 20 years ago. We had a Wolman plant here at the time and they offered to pressure treat any plywood I would bring them but the guy who ran the plant said PT really only protects it from bugs. If water is your issue, save your money. I ended up with MDO plywood (one side) and it is still going strong after 20 years in salt water. That is basically 7 layer exterior grade plywood with one MDF layer. You would probably have the same luck with BC The main thing is to be sure everything is sealed before you put it in and seal all penetrations. The only bad spot I have found in my current rehab is from an unsealed penetration. Cut all of your pieces to size, paint them on all 6 sides with 2 coats then install them. Paint it again to cover the screws. Bristol Palin will be running for president before that plywood goes bad. I worked on a sailboat once that had a PT plywood sole and where it met, the aluminium mast was badly pitted. I thought it may have been caused by the cyanic acid? Nope, the copper is not friendly to aluminum in a wet inviroment. Is ther copper in pressure treated plywood? Yup. Used to be copper arsenate (CCA). Now it is a copper only solution. http://www.strongtie.com/productuse/PTWoodFAQs.html Ah galvanic action. Good reason not to butt up to, bolt or clamp to aluminum. Thanks. It may be somewhat of a concern but not a huge problem. These aluminum brackets have been on my .8 CCA PT dock for over 20 years http://gfretwell.com/ftp/aluminum%20and%20PT.jpg |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:27:24 -0400, "mmc" wrote: "Califbill" wrote in message news:I5GdnVHTnL2ExdrRnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@earthlink. com... "mmc" wrote in message g.com... "Califbill" wrote in message m... "mmc" wrote in message ng.com... wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! I looked at everything when I decked my pontoon boat 20 years ago. We had a Wolman plant here at the time and they offered to pressure treat any plywood I would bring them but the guy who ran the plant said PT really only protects it from bugs. If water is your issue, save your money. I ended up with MDO plywood (one side) and it is still going strong after 20 years in salt water. That is basically 7 layer exterior grade plywood with one MDF layer. You would probably have the same luck with BC The main thing is to be sure everything is sealed before you put it in and seal all penetrations. The only bad spot I have found in my current rehab is from an unsealed penetration. Cut all of your pieces to size, paint them on all 6 sides with 2 coats then install them. Paint it again to cover the screws. Bristol Palin will be running for president before that plywood goes bad. I worked on a sailboat once that had a PT plywood sole and where it met, the aluminium mast was badly pitted. I thought it may have been caused by the cyanic acid? Nope, the copper is not friendly to aluminum in a wet inviroment. Is ther copper in pressure treated plywood? Yup. Used to be copper arsenate (CCA). Now it is a copper only solution. http://www.strongtie.com/productuse/PTWoodFAQs.html Ah galvanic action. Good reason not to butt up to, bolt or clamp to aluminum. Thanks. It may be somewhat of a concern but not a huge problem. These aluminum brackets have been on my .8 CCA PT dock for over 20 years http://gfretwell.com/ftp/aluminum%20and%20PT.jpg Still look pretty solid! |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:08:28 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:30:28 -0400, John H wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:56:39 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:00:04 -0400, John H wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:54:24 -0400, Larry wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:44:04 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:07:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jul 20, 3:11 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H John, this is the crap we used on our front porch. It faces the west and gets all the harsh summer sun and the rain etc. We redid our porch twice with treated tongue and groove pine and it was rotting in 5 years. Enough was enough. This stuff is extremely durable, looks and feels and acts like wood. We've been satisfied for 10 years now. http://www.ebuild.com/product-detail...rds/319691.hwx So I was thinking of using this stuff decking the boat from side to side instead of long ways from bow to stern. Just a thought, though. The problem with the Trex type stuff is the span is about 60% of what you can get with the same size wood and it is heavy. I have some as a ring around the base of my console and it does hold up well but there is no span issue there. I'm wanting to resurface my deck. The span would be about 18". Think that's enough? That's too far for composites like Trex. 16" is the absolute minimum. They can sag with the heat. Crap. Not good news. That would mean a lot more than simple resurfacing. They do make Trex type decking in 1.5" thickness that will span farther. You need to go to a real lumber yard tho, not HD/Lowes. We used it to replace dock lumber at our community boat ramp. If you have 24" centers on the joists, just add a stringer in between and make it 12" centers. Fairly easy. Is what I did on my deck, changing from redwood to Trex. and kept the same base piling spacing. I may not be in as bad a shape as I thought. My uncalibrated eyeballs and large feet gave me the 18" estimate. A ruler gives me 16" centers. I went down to look and the span on the 1.5" Trex is 16". It is very solid. While I was there I came upon the dunked Dodge. I looked on the Trex site for 1.5" stuff and couldn't find any. Do you think they still make it? -- John H |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:00:04 -0400, John H wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:54:24 -0400, Larry wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:44:04 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:07:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jul 20, 3:11 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H John, this is the crap we used on our front porch. It faces the west and gets all the harsh summer sun and the rain etc. We redid our porch twice with treated tongue and groove pine and it was rotting in 5 years. Enough was enough. This stuff is extremely durable, looks and feels and acts like wood. We've been satisfied for 10 years now. http://www.ebuild.com/product-detail...rds/319691.hwx So I was thinking of using this stuff decking the boat from side to side instead of long ways from bow to stern. Just a thought, though. The problem with the Trex type stuff is the span is about 60% of what you can get with the same size wood and it is heavy. I have some as a ring around the base of my console and it does hold up well but there is no span issue there. I'm wanting to resurface my deck. The span would be about 18". Think that's enough? That's too far for composites like Trex. 16" is the absolute minimum. They can sag with the heat. Crap. Not good news. That would mean a lot more than simple resurfacing. They do make Trex type decking in 1.5" thickness that will span farther. You need to go to a real lumber yard tho, not HD/Lowes. We used it to replace dock lumber at our community boat ramp. If you have 24" centers on the joists, just add a stringer in between and make it 12" centers. Fairly easy. Is what I did on my deck, changing from redwood to Trex. and kept the same base piling spacing. And there's no need to nail or screw at every joist. You can skip every other one. |
Marine grade? or salt-treated plywood?
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:29:45 -0400, Larry wrote:
Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:00:04 -0400, John H wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:54:24 -0400, Larry wrote: John H wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:44:04 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:07:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Jul 20, 3:11 pm, John wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I was wondering abotu using salt-treated plywood on the Marquis deck. I'm not a feared of paying for marine grade, but Jimmy the carpenter told me that the newer salt treated woods are about as worthy as marine grade at a fraction of the cost. So, what's the opinion? I'm even wondering abotu using hybrid decking like you'd use on a porch. synthetic mylar etc mixed with wood. The stuff is weather resistant as all get out! Does the composite stuff come in sheets, or were you going to use boards, like this:http://tinyurl.com/29auaun I'm thinking of resurfacing my deck with that stuff. Expensive stuff though. -- John H John, this is the crap we used on our front porch. It faces the west and gets all the harsh summer sun and the rain etc. We redid our porch twice with treated tongue and groove pine and it was rotting in 5 years. Enough was enough. This stuff is extremely durable, looks and feels and acts like wood. We've been satisfied for 10 years now. http://www.ebuild.com/product-detail...rds/319691.hwx So I was thinking of using this stuff decking the boat from side to side instead of long ways from bow to stern. Just a thought, though. The problem with the Trex type stuff is the span is about 60% of what you can get with the same size wood and it is heavy. I have some as a ring around the base of my console and it does hold up well but there is no span issue there. I'm wanting to resurface my deck. The span would be about 18". Think that's enough? That's too far for composites like Trex. 16" is the absolute minimum. They can sag with the heat. Crap. Not good news. That would mean a lot more than simple resurfacing. They do make Trex type decking in 1.5" thickness that will span farther. You need to go to a real lumber yard tho, not HD/Lowes. We used it to replace dock lumber at our community boat ramp. If you have 24" centers on the joists, just add a stringer in between and make it 12" centers. Fairly easy. Is what I did on my deck, changing from redwood to Trex. and kept the same base piling spacing. And there's no need to nail or screw at every joist. You can skip every other one. Now *that* could save a few bucks! -- John H |
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