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On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:45:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:12:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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which distinguishes him from, say, George W. Bush, who was a divider.

Actually Clinton was the divider. The last president to **** off that
many people was Andrew Johnson. Bush just drove the wedge in a little
deeper on your side.

Really? So at the end of Clinton's presidency, you're going to claim
that
the US was ridiculed and thought little of worldwide compared to when
Bush
was IN office?


You have to say the US was about as divided as it could get during the
Clinton administration. They impeached him and at least 40% of the
country thought that was the right thing to do. The vote was 45-55 in
the senate. That is "divided" no matter how you measure it.
There were plenty of Europeans who thought our Iraq policy was wrong.
It was really just us and the Brits.

At least 60% of the people thought it was a right-wing stunt. That's a
majority, btw. The country is ALWAYS divided, but compared to now? Come
on.


A lot of people didn't "like" Reagan or Carter but we didn't have
outright hatred.
I am saying that Clinton was the start of the great divide we see now.
You just don't see it because you were not the "out" party at the
time. You don't impeach a president without a significant number of
the American public supporting the measure in the house.

When Chris Mathews invented the Red Blue thing the division just got a
name and the unity of the country went down hill from there.

That's quite a different statement from what you said originally. Sure,
Clinton inspired people to hate. Are you blaming him for it? Seems to me
that the people doing the hating are the ones with the problem.

They impeached him because of basically nothing, led by a bunch of
hypocrites with delusions of grandeur. It had nothing to do with popular
opinion. Clinton was highly popular throughout.

Mathews articulated a situation. Obama said it's not true. Listen to his
2004 speech.