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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 08:26:00 -0600, Canuck57
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Afghanistan has very little to do with terrorism. There may be less
than 100 al queda in Afghanistan and we are spending about 100 million
dollars a year each to try to kill them.
This is a stupid way to waste our grand kid's money at a time when the
country is in so much fiscal trouble.

I disagree. Locals are not turning in taliban. And the way taliban is
used, it can encompass any radical islam organization. It isn't like
there is just one.

The Taliban is not al queda, although Washington would like us to
think they are the same.

Some in Washington. The adults don't think that nor promote that false
notion.

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:27:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 08:26:00 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

Afghanistan has very little to do with terrorism. There may be less
than 100 al queda in Afghanistan and we are spending about 100 million
dollars a year each to try to kill them.
This is a stupid way to waste our grand kid's money at a time when the
country is in so much fiscal trouble.
I disagree. Locals are not turning in taliban. And the way taliban is
used, it can encompass any radical islam organization. It isn't like
there is just one.
The Taliban is not al queda, although Washington would like us to
think they are the same.
Some in Washington. The adults don't think that nor promote that false
notion.


Then why are we saying this wart is about terrorism? There was not a
single Taliban involved with 9/11. They were Saudis who simply
traveled through Afghanistan. If that was all it took, we should be
attacking Germany and Spain where the final plans were developed.

AQ was head-quartered in Afghanistan, and sheltered by the Taliban.
They were asked to turn over Bin Laden and refused.
You can't separate 9/11, AQ and Taliban. Not possible.
If Taliban regain power, the cycle will repeat.
Refute that.
With no Taliban refuge in Afghanistan, remaining AQ are forced into
Pakistan, and the Pakis will deal with them, as they are increasingly doing.
Besides that, the Taliban are criminal trash, and allowing them back
will become a huge human rights issue, and we will have to re-invade
with UN forces.

Keep in mind that when the Iraq "surge" started there was "no hope" for
establishing a working government in Iraq.
Many wanted to abandon the effort.
There is a government there now, and time will tell if it succeeds.
The memories of Saddam will help.
I don't remember when the last American casualty occurred there.

There will be a "progress report" on Afghan operations in December, and
another in July/2011.
We will know the progress in building Afghan armed forces, and be able
to count our own costs in blood and treasure, and adjust as necessary.
I expect success, and we can thank our military for it.
As others have said, victory is establishing any government that isn't
the Taliban, and doesn't approach the Taliban abuse of human rights.
They'll be crooks, but like U.S. pols, "good crooks."
Once they get cable or satellite TV installed in enough homes, and
enough cell phone towers put up, the Taliban problem will go away.
There is no other solution I can think of.
You haven't offered any solution except "cut and run."
GWB didn't do that in Iraq, and Obama won't in Afghanistan.
Because there is no other moral choice but to "stay the course."
Like it or lump it.

Jim - Laying out the choices.

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:27:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 08:26:00 -0600, Canuck57
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Afghanistan has very little to do with terrorism. There may be less
than 100 al queda in Afghanistan and we are spending about 100 million
dollars a year each to try to kill them.
This is a stupid way to waste our grand kid's money at a time when the
country is in so much fiscal trouble.

I disagree. Locals are not turning in taliban. And the way taliban is
used, it can encompass any radical islam organization. It isn't like
there is just one.

The Taliban is not al queda, although Washington would like us to
think they are the same.

Some in Washington. The adults don't think that nor promote that false
notion.


Then why are we saying this wart is about terrorism? There was not a
single Taliban involved with 9/11. They were Saudis who simply
traveled through Afghanistan. If that was all it took, we should be
attacking Germany and Spain where the final plans were developed.

Untrue. They may not have participated in the planning, but they refused to
give up bin laden, etc. They didn't "simply travel" through. They took over
and their extremist views allowed bin laden's crowd to have a safe-haven.
Don't try and rewrite Bush's failures.

Harry ? wrote:
...it is out to **** us all...forever...


General George Casey, the Chief of Staff of the Army, said today the
United States could face another "decade or so" of persistent conflict
in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In two months, the U.S. will have been at war in Afghanistan for nine
years,.


- - -

These whores will do anything to stay in uniform.
So? Should we surrender and convert to Islam or what, because the fight
is too long for your liking?
Are you doing the fighting???
Just like the Drug addicts, Hippies and fifth columnist did to Viet Nam,
Cambodia and the whole of Southeast Asia.
How many millions, of lives did Congress's surrender, cost those people.
Your mantra why win when we can surrender? America';s proper place is
crawling on its belly begging the Muslims to leave us alone???
Whinny ass, hide behind Mama's apron bunch of socialists!
As much as we hate war and don't want any of us to die, it ain't gonna
happen. Like the Bible says there will be wars and rumors of wars til
the end of time.
Wishing the Hitlers, Stalins, Mao's, and Muhammad's, of the world will
go away don't work.

On 10/07/2010 8:31 PM, lil abner wrote:
Harry ? wrote:
...it is out to **** us all...forever...


General George Casey, the Chief of Staff of the Army, said today the
United States could face another "decade or so" of persistent conflict
in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In two months, the U.S. will have been at war in Afghanistan for nine
years,.


- - -

These whores will do anything to stay in uniform.
So? Should we surrender and convert to Islam or what, because the fight
is too long for your liking?
Are you doing the fighting???
Just like the Drug addicts, Hippies and fifth columnist did to Viet Nam,
Cambodia and the whole of Southeast Asia.
How many millions, of lives did Congress's surrender, cost those people.
Your mantra why win when we can surrender? America';s proper place is
crawling on its belly begging the Muslims to leave us alone???
Whinny ass, hide behind Mama's apron bunch of socialists!
As much as we hate war and don't want any of us to die, it ain't gonna
happen. Like the Bible says there will be wars and rumors of wars til
the end of time.
Wishing the Hitlers, Stalins, Mao's, and Muhammad's, of the world will
go away don't work.

Agreed. But to make them go away you have to do what it takes.

Policing them isn't going to work, the war will be going on for millenia
as it does not work.

The answer is massive sterilization and execution of islam radicals.
Make them take polygraphs, execute supporters and RFID the rest. Treat
them like rabid cattle and thin the herd of the diseased ones.

This especially includes the cult leaders.

--

Government: We have Liberals (academic idealists), NDP (dreaming
socialists) and Conservative (lawyer scum) but where is the middle class
(common sense)?

On Jul 10, 7:52Â*pm, Harry  wrote:
...it is out to **** us all...forever...

General George Casey, the Chief of Staff of the Army, said today the
United States could face another "decade or so" of persistent conflict
in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In two months, the U.S. will have been at war in Afghanistan for nine years.

- - -

These whores will do anything to stay in uniform.

Harry, it's not August yet, but I'm going to give you an early reply
to one of your posts.

Your comment about General Casey's remarks was about the most stupid,
****ing thing you've said in years. Now I know some folks will argue
about it was *really* the *most* stupid thing you've said, but they're
wrong. It was.

Generals do not keep wars going. Politicians keep wars going. Obama
could have had us out of both Iraq and Afghanistan well over a year
ago. *Obama* is making the choice of keeping us there.

General Casey is noting that it could take another decade or so to
accomplish what the friggin' politician, to wit: Obama, wants to
accomplish. Since Obama has his head up his ass and doesn't have any
idea of his goals over there, your grandchildren could well end up
there. If things change in your family, you might even hear about it.

Pray for a Republican president. She'll probably either **** or get
off the pot with regard to Afghanistan. Remember the Iraq surge that
'wouldn't work' but did?

OK, see you again in September...unless you do some *really* stupid
again.

On 7/11/10 8:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:52 pm, Harry wrote:
...it is out to **** us all...forever...

General George Casey, the Chief of Staff of the Army, said today the
United States could face another "decade or so" of persistent conflict
in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In two months, the U.S. will have been at war in Afghanistan for nine years.

- - -

These whores will do anything to stay in uniform.

Harry, it's not August yet, but I'm going to give you an early reply
to one of your posts.

Your comment about General Casey's remarks was about the most stupid,
****ing thing you've said in years. Now I know some folks will argue
about it was *really* the *most* stupid thing you've said, but they're
wrong. It was.

Generals do not keep wars going. Politicians keep wars going. Obama
could have had us out of both Iraq and Afghanistan well over a year
ago. *Obama* is making the choice of keeping us there.

General Casey is noting that it could take another decade or so to
accomplish what the friggin' politician, to wit: Obama, wants to
accomplish. Since Obama has his head up his ass and doesn't have any
idea of his goals over there, your grandchildren could well end up
there. If things change in your family, you might even hear about it.

Pray for a Republican president. She'll probably either **** or get
off the pot with regard to Afghanistan. Remember the Iraq surge that
'wouldn't work' but did?

OK, see you again in September...unless you do some *really* stupid
again.


Wow...herring thinks I give a damn whether he responds directly to one
of my posts. That's some ego working over there in herringville.

The posit is that the "officer corps" will do anything it can to stay in
uniform, including prolonging war. Without a heavy-duty war to keep
themselves busy, the officer corps will shrink, and so should the amount
of dollars wasted on the "military-industrial" complex.

The last presidents we had who knew anything real about "modern" war and
the military from the highest levels were Eisenhower and to a lesser
degree, George H.W. Bush.

There is nothing worth accomplishing in Afghanistan. If Obama thinks
otherwise, it is because his "military advisers" told him there was.

The Iraqi surge merely postponed the inevitable. Iraq will fall apart
once we pull out. Either that, or it will be ruled by a right-winger
with close ties to some ayatollah.

The military establishment will **** us over every time. If it didn't,
half of its officers would be mustered out to become substitute teachers.

"Harry ?" wrote in message
m...
On 7/11/10 8:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:52 pm, Harry wrote:
...it is out to **** us all...forever...

General George Casey, the Chief of Staff of the Army, said today the
United States could face another "decade or so" of persistent conflict
in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In two months, the U.S. will have been at war in Afghanistan for nine
years.

- - -

These whores will do anything to stay in uniform.

Harry, it's not August yet, but I'm going to give you an early reply
to one of your posts.

Your comment about General Casey's remarks was about the most stupid,
****ing thing you've said in years. Now I know some folks will argue
about it was *really* the *most* stupid thing you've said, but they're
wrong. It was.

Generals do not keep wars going. Politicians keep wars going. Obama
could have had us out of both Iraq and Afghanistan well over a year
ago. *Obama* is making the choice of keeping us there.

General Casey is noting that it could take another decade or so to
accomplish what the friggin' politician, to wit: Obama, wants to
accomplish. Since Obama has his head up his ass and doesn't have any
idea of his goals over there, your grandchildren could well end up
there. If things change in your family, you might even hear about it.

Pray for a Republican president. She'll probably either **** or get
off the pot with regard to Afghanistan. Remember the Iraq surge that
'wouldn't work' but did?

OK, see you again in September...unless you do some *really* stupid
again.


Wow...herring thinks I give a damn whether he responds directly to one of
my posts. That's some ego working over there in herringville.

The posit is that the "officer corps" will do anything it can to stay in
uniform, including prolonging war. Without a heavy-duty war to keep
themselves busy, the officer corps will shrink, and so should the amount
of dollars wasted on the "military-industrial" complex.

The last presidents we had who knew anything real about "modern" war and
the military from the highest levels were Eisenhower and to a lesser
degree, George H.W. Bush.

There is nothing worth accomplishing in Afghanistan. If Obama thinks
otherwise, it is because his "military advisers" told him there was.

The Iraqi surge merely postponed the inevitable. Iraq will fall apart once
we pull out. Either that, or it will be ruled by a right-winger with close
ties to some ayatollah.

The military establishment will **** us over every time. If it didn't,
half of its officers would be mustered out to become substitute teachers.


According to an eye witness, Obama has very little interest in being advised
on military affairs. Obama does what he damn well pleases. He gives the
orders. He da man. He your man, Howard the coward.

"Harold'" wrote in message
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"Harry ?" wrote in message
m...
On 7/11/10 8:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:52 pm, Harry wrote:
...it is out to **** us all...forever...

General George Casey, the Chief of Staff of the Army, said today the
United States could face another "decade or so" of persistent conflict
in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In two months, the U.S. will have been at war in Afghanistan for nine
years.

- - -

These whores will do anything to stay in uniform.

Harry, it's not August yet, but I'm going to give you an early reply
to one of your posts.

Your comment about General Casey's remarks was about the most stupid,
****ing thing you've said in years. Now I know some folks will argue
about it was *really* the *most* stupid thing you've said, but they're
wrong. It was.

Generals do not keep wars going. Politicians keep wars going. Obama
could have had us out of both Iraq and Afghanistan well over a year
ago. *Obama* is making the choice of keeping us there.

General Casey is noting that it could take another decade or so to
accomplish what the friggin' politician, to wit: Obama, wants to
accomplish. Since Obama has his head up his ass and doesn't have any
idea of his goals over there, your grandchildren could well end up
there. If things change in your family, you might even hear about it.

Pray for a Republican president. She'll probably either **** or get
off the pot with regard to Afghanistan. Remember the Iraq surge that
'wouldn't work' but did?

OK, see you again in September...unless you do some *really* stupid
again.


Wow...herring thinks I give a damn whether he responds directly to one of
my posts. That's some ego working over there in herringville.

The posit is that the "officer corps" will do anything it can to stay in
uniform, including prolonging war. Without a heavy-duty war to keep
themselves busy, the officer corps will shrink, and so should the amount
of dollars wasted on the "military-industrial" complex.

The last presidents we had who knew anything real about "modern" war and
the military from the highest levels were Eisenhower and to a lesser
degree, George H.W. Bush.

There is nothing worth accomplishing in Afghanistan. If Obama thinks
otherwise, it is because his "military advisers" told him there was.

The Iraqi surge merely postponed the inevitable. Iraq will fall apart
once we pull out. Either that, or it will be ruled by a right-winger with
close ties to some ayatollah.

The military establishment will **** us over every time. If it didn't,
half of its officers would be mustered out to become substitute teachers.


According to an eye witness, Obama has very little interest in being
advised on military affairs. Obama does what he damn well pleases. He
gives the orders. He da man. He your man, Howard the coward.

This according to a moron such as yourself. You da racist.

"Harry " wrote in message
m...
On 7/11/10 8:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Jul 10, 7:52 pm, Harry wrote:
...it is out to **** us all...forever...

General George Casey, the Chief of Staff of the Army, said today the
United States could face another "decade or so" of persistent conflict
in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In two months, the U.S. will have been at war in Afghanistan for nine
years.

- - -

These whores will do anything to stay in uniform.

Harry, it's not August yet, but I'm going to give you an early reply
to one of your posts.

Your comment about General Casey's remarks was about the most stupid,
****ing thing you've said in years. Now I know some folks will argue
about it was *really* the *most* stupid thing you've said, but they're
wrong. It was.

Generals do not keep wars going. Politicians keep wars going. Obama
could have had us out of both Iraq and Afghanistan well over a year
ago. *Obama* is making the choice of keeping us there.

General Casey is noting that it could take another decade or so to
accomplish what the friggin' politician, to wit: Obama, wants to
accomplish. Since Obama has his head up his ass and doesn't have any
idea of his goals over there, your grandchildren could well end up
there. If things change in your family, you might even hear about it.

Pray for a Republican president. She'll probably either **** or get
off the pot with regard to Afghanistan. Remember the Iraq surge that
'wouldn't work' but did?

OK, see you again in September...unless you do some *really* stupid
again.


Wow...herring thinks I give a damn whether he responds directly to one of
my posts. That's some ego working over there in herringville.

The posit is that the "officer corps" will do anything it can to stay in
uniform, including prolonging war. Without a heavy-duty war to keep
themselves busy, the officer corps will shrink, and so should the amount
of dollars wasted on the "military-industrial" complex.

The last presidents we had who knew anything real about "modern" war and
the military from the highest levels were Eisenhower and to a lesser
degree, George H.W. Bush.

There is nothing worth accomplishing in Afghanistan. If Obama thinks
otherwise, it is because his "military advisers" told him there was.

The Iraqi surge merely postponed the inevitable. Iraq will fall apart once
we pull out. Either that, or it will be ruled by a right-winger with close
ties to some ayatollah.

The military establishment will **** us over every time. If it didn't,
half of its officers would be mustered out to become substitute teachers.


Pity the students...especially if they belong to a minority... eh Johnny!