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"Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One of my recent students who shall remain nameless, failed to complete a homework assignment after apparently losing interest in the subject. Therefore I will throw it open to the group. You are in a 40 something boat, power or sail makes no difference, anchored in over 40 feet of water with 3/8ths chain and a 60 pound anchor. The combination of chain and anchor weigh about 150 pounds not counting the large mud ball that wants to come up also, easily 200 pounds total. The chain and anchor are worth something over $1500 and not easily replaced in remote locations. The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? You'll notice that Larry never once acknowledged his statement "cut and run" was fundamentally wrong. You'll also notice that I gave a rather complete solution to this question, and all the "men" have refused to comment on it, even the "expert" Wayne. Run it by us again and I promise I will comment on it. You'd have to talk to Larry about cutting and running. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:24:27 -0400, W1TEF wrote: The A-7 Polyform bouy holds 161.6 gallons of air which ~~ mumble - mumble - carry the six, add four, times 12, price of tea in China ~~ works out to...24.8 something or other cubic feet? That right? I'm getting about 20 cubic feet assuming 8 gallons per cube, or about 1200 pounds of buoyancy. That's a big-un, should do the trick if we can get the chain to slip and have enough static engine thrust. Nice solution if you've got the room for a big buoy like that. Any idea what they cost, and what the deflated size is? A couple of them might be useful as hurricane fenders. http://www.polyformus.com/doc/product_a7.htm My personal solution is to use a chain hook led to a 3,000 lb Come-a-Long. I've tested it enough to know that it works but it would take a while to bring up the anchor from 40 ft. The nice thing is that Come-a-Longs are relatively cheap and don't take up a lot of space. A multi-part block and tackle led to a chain hook or rolling hitch should be workable also if you have enough mechanical advantage. Whether you go with a come-along or block/tackle make sure it works. The cheap block/tackles are sometime just plain worthless, coming with ready-made frozen pulleys and cheap binding rope. I threw away a bubble packaged 1/4 ton half a minute after I opened it. Even a cheap come-along usually works well enough. Here's a U.S. made come-along and block/tackle which look a couple quality cuts above the typical Chinese crap. http://www.garrettwade.com/come-alon...er/p/60R05.01/ http://www.garrettwade.com/product.a...cd2=1277183447 I'm not endorsing any of those. I'm just putting these links in for DePlume, because she might be serious about this, and probably hasn't seen any of this gear. This place could use a new young boater who knows where to put the doilies. The old farts here are dying off. That block/tackle above has 4:1 advantage. The come-along might be 8:1. Hard to tell, just going by experience. I was closer than far - looks like this one is +12:1. https://www.aceindustries.com/p-8230...ome-along.aspx You can get even more with the lever if put a pipe on in. But you only want to do that if you're weak, otherwise you'll exceed its capacity and likely break it. Easy to break your boat in half with some of this gear. https://www.aceindustries.com/c-24-h...ll-models.aspx With the block/tackle more pulleys will increase the advantage, but that takes wider blocks and more rope. I had a heavy chain come-alone but it weighed about 70 pounds. All drop forged and very heavy chain. Lost it off Nantucket when a shackle broke pulling in a humpback. A chain fall is a great pulley hoist, but again they're heavy. Here's an example. https://www.aceindustries.com/p-8240...chainfall.aspx See how you pull 172 feet to lift a foot? Don't know what the advantage ratio is, but I've hoisted +1000 lbs many times with them, and it's almost effortless strength-wise. Rope or chain is the only practical "line" for manual pulley hoists. But for a light come-along on a non-whaling boat I'd go with cable. If I had a davit without a manual winch and expected I might have to manually hoist using it, I would have a good quality rope block/tackle rated to the davit capacity. Then all your rigging is right at the action. But a come-along cable run through a snatch block on the davit hook could do the job. Wayne might give us his preference and needs from his "big boat" perspective. I hung up my whaling gear some years ago when I moved to Florida, so I'm out of the big boat loop now. Jim - Reminiscing sure can change history. |
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:26:27 -0400, "Moose" wrote:
"Harry" wrote in message om... On 6/22/10 12:15 PM, Moose wrote: wrote in message m... On 6/22/10 6:24 AM, W1TEF wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:47:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:24:27 -0400, wrote: The A-7 Polyform bouy holds 161.6 gallons of air which ~~ mumble - mumble - carry the six, add four, times 12, price of tea in China ~~ works out to...24.8 something or other cubic feet? That right? I'm getting about 20 cubic feet assuming 8 gallons per cube, or about 1200 pounds of buoyancy. That's a big-un, should do the trick if we can get the chain to slip and have enough static engine thrust. Nice solution if you've got the room for a big buoy like that. Any idea what they cost, and what the deflated size is? A couple of them might be useful as hurricane fenders. http://www.polyformus.com/doc/product_a7.htm My personal solution is to use a chain hook led to a 3,000 lb Come-a-Long. I've tested it enough to know that it works but it would take a while to bring up the anchor from 40 ft. The nice thing is that Come-a-Longs are relatively cheap and don't take up a lot of space. A multi-part block and tackle led to a chain hook or rolling hitch should be workable also if you have enough mechanical advantage. That was going to be my next solution. I've never had much luck trying to snag a hunk of chain on the bottom though even at 40 feet. I also thought we were talking deeper than 40 feet. Mechanical advantage would be a good way. If you used two four rove blocks in series - that works out to something like 35 lbs (I think). You could hang the blocks off the boom - should be solid enough for 35 lbs. Are you planning to tie an anti-gravity belt onto what you are trying to lift with the boom? Whatever blocks you have attached to the boom, the boom is going to "feel" the full weight of what is solely attached to it. Of course, I was only an English major in college, not a hard-science wizard like you... Carry on. Cassiday and I gave the answer around 9:05. Your English majoring helped you to parrot the answer along with the addition of your usual snide remarks. Carry on. Asshole that you are, you think I read every post here? Sorry. Never was true, never will be true. Who is Cassiday? Don't ask before I have had my first cup of the morning coffee Apology to Casady. You read all of my posts. Who do you think you are kidding? Apology? If you mean for mispelling my name, that is no big deal. People almost always get it wrong. What got old was being asked if I was related to Hopalong, a not bad western actor who was popular in the forties and fifties. I was the smartest kid in the school. Not a fun job, but somebodies luck had to run out.` Casady |
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:46:52 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:26:27 -0400, "Moose" wrote: "Harry" wrote in message news:DJSdnR83M_1zfb3RnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@earthlink. com... On 6/22/10 12:15 PM, Moose wrote: wrote in message m... On 6/22/10 6:24 AM, W1TEF wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:47:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:24:27 -0400, wrote: The A-7 Polyform bouy holds 161.6 gallons of air which ~~ mumble - mumble - carry the six, add four, times 12, price of tea in China ~~ works out to...24.8 something or other cubic feet? That right? I'm getting about 20 cubic feet assuming 8 gallons per cube, or about 1200 pounds of buoyancy. That's a big-un, should do the trick if we can get the chain to slip and have enough static engine thrust. Nice solution if you've got the room for a big buoy like that. Any idea what they cost, and what the deflated size is? A couple of them might be useful as hurricane fenders. http://www.polyformus.com/doc/product_a7.htm My personal solution is to use a chain hook led to a 3,000 lb Come-a-Long. I've tested it enough to know that it works but it would take a while to bring up the anchor from 40 ft. The nice thing is that Come-a-Longs are relatively cheap and don't take up a lot of space. A multi-part block and tackle led to a chain hook or rolling hitch should be workable also if you have enough mechanical advantage. That was going to be my next solution. I've never had much luck trying to snag a hunk of chain on the bottom though even at 40 feet. I also thought we were talking deeper than 40 feet. Mechanical advantage would be a good way. If you used two four rove blocks in series - that works out to something like 35 lbs (I think). You could hang the blocks off the boom - should be solid enough for 35 lbs. Are you planning to tie an anti-gravity belt onto what you are trying to lift with the boom? Whatever blocks you have attached to the boom, the boom is going to "feel" the full weight of what is solely attached to it. Of course, I was only an English major in college, not a hard-science wizard like you... Carry on. Cassiday and I gave the answer around 9:05. Your English majoring helped you to parrot the answer along with the addition of your usual snide remarks. Carry on. Asshole that you are, you think I read every post here? Sorry. Never was true, never will be true. Who is Cassiday? Don't ask before I have had my first cup of the morning coffee Apology to Casady. You read all of my posts. Who do you think you are kidding? Apology? If you mean for mispelling my name, that is no big deal. People almost always get it wrong. What got old was being asked if I was related to Hopalong, a not bad western actor who was popular in the forties and fifties. I was the smartest kid in the school. Not a fun job, but somebodies luck had to run out.` I left out the last sentences: .. I was smart and was usually carrying a book, so people would ask me to explain Einstein's theory of relativity. I had not yet taken college physics and read a book or two on the subject. On that score, of the books perporting to explain relativity to the layman, Einstein's book is as good as any. That got older faster than the Hopalong bit. Casady |
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:32:45 -0500, Jim wrote:
You can get even more with the lever if put a pipe on in. But you only want to do that if you're weak, otherwise you'll exceed its capacity and likely break it. It is normally a bad idea to use a cheater bar, if you are a mechanic with the good hand strength they all have. For assembly, torque wrenches mostly have relatively long handles and no cheating needed. As for taking things apart, the gas welder is your friend. You can use a bitty welding tip and not spread hot gas everywhere like with an ordinary propane torch. Heat just the nut, without frying the nearby wiring. If the torch is small enough you can heat the nut but not the screw it is on. They sell dry ice, two bucks a pound, at the local grocery store. You chill everythihg before you heat the nut and get more differential expansion that hopefully will break the grip of the rust. You might be amazed at how much stuff you may have to remove in order to get at what is left of a broken stud. They might have left room for a wrench and even room for the hand to turn it, but you can spend the time it used to take to change an engine getting at a broken screw with a drill. My current ride requires about two hours to change the plugs. You have to take lots of **** off and put it back later. Luckily they last at least 100 000 miles. I don't know why a truck needs a four cam engine, but the Lincoln Navigator has one. Sucker went 175 000 miles before the check engine light came on. It was a leaking valve guide. I figured that was the handwriting on the wall and put in a rebuilt mill. I should have replaced the starter and alternator at that time and they both went within 25 000 more miles, luckily without any real inconvenience. Casady |
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On Jun 22, 10:24*am, W1TEF wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:28:10 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:00:09 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:24:55 -0400, W1TEF wrote: Mechanical advantage would be a good way. *If you used two four rove blocks in series - that works out to something like 35 lbs (I think).. You could hang the blocks off the boom - should be solid enough for 35 lbs. Wrong. While using a block and tackle will divide the weight among several bits of line, the total will remain the same and that is what the boom feels. The entire weight. Show me where I'm wrong. Is he saying that by using the tackle the weight on the boom will be decreased? Who said that, Tom? No - he misunderstood the nature of the answer. *Yes, the weight is still 350 pounds. What you are effectively doing is reducing the amount of energy required to move the 350 pounds by the use of mechanical advantage. *It seems like you are only lifting 35 pounds.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But then again, it feels like you're lifting only 35 lb.at last 120 feet. (I think) |
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On Jun 22, 11:22*am, W1TEF
It's really a question of dislodging and moving a heavy object attached to another heavy object using a heavy object. *:) Interesting question though and a fun one.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But... that reminds me. What happens when the unstoppable object colides with the imovable object? Or is that for a seperate thread? ?;^ ) |
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On Jun 22, 1:46*pm, Richard Casady
wrote: Apology? If you mean for mispelling my name, that is no big deal. People almost always get it wrong. What got old was being asked if I was related to Hopalong, a not bad western actor who was popular in the forties and fifties. I was the smartest kid in the school. Not a fun job, but somebodies luck had to run out.` Casady- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I went to school with a kid named Tom Sawyer. He got tired of people asking him "Where's Huck Finn?" |
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"Tim" wrote in message ... On Jun 22, 1:46 pm, Richard Casady wrote: Apology? If you mean for mispelling my name, that is no big deal. People almost always get it wrong. What got old was being asked if I was related to Hopalong, a not bad western actor who was popular in the forties and fifties. I was the smartest kid in the school. Not a fun job, but somebodies luck had to run out.` Casady- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I went to school with a kid named Tom Sawyer. He got tired of people asking him "Where's Huck Finn?" I had a friend in grammar school named Cashmere Baeter. In those days it was popular to preface boys surnames with Master. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One of my recent students who shall remain nameless, failed to complete a homework assignment after apparently losing interest in the subject. Therefore I will throw it open to the group. You are in a 40 something boat, power or sail makes no difference, anchored in over 40 feet of water with 3/8ths chain and a 60 pound anchor. The combination of chain and anchor weigh about 150 pounds not counting the large mud ball that wants to come up also, easily 200 pounds total. The chain and anchor are worth something over $1500 and not easily replaced in remote locations. The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Well, you don't do what Larry said, "If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and the Captain had no other choice." Do I get 1/2 credit? If it's stuck, it's stuck. This is a different scenario, expert. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One of my recent students who shall remain nameless, failed to complete a homework assignment after apparently losing interest in the subject. Therefore I will throw it open to the group. You are in a 40 something boat, power or sail makes no difference, anchored in over 40 feet of water with 3/8ths chain and a 60 pound anchor. The combination of chain and anchor weigh about 150 pounds not counting the large mud ball that wants to come up also, easily 200 pounds total. The chain and anchor are worth something over $1500 and not easily replaced in remote locations. The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? You'll notice that Larry never once acknowledged his statement "cut and run" was fundamentally wrong. You'll also notice that I gave a rather complete solution to this question, and all the "men" have refused to comment on it, even the "expert" Wayne. I did respond. I just don't monitor this group all day long like some misfits. So sorry for the lack of a response. Maybe this pathetic "reminder" will elicit one. |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One of my recent students who shall remain nameless, failed to complete a homework assignment after apparently losing interest in the subject. Therefore I will throw it open to the group. You are in a 40 something boat, power or sail makes no difference, anchored in over 40 feet of water with 3/8ths chain and a 60 pound anchor. The combination of chain and anchor weigh about 150 pounds not counting the large mud ball that wants to come up also, easily 200 pounds total. The chain and anchor are worth something over $1500 and not easily replaced in remote locations. The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Well, you don't do what Larry said, "If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and the Captain had no other choice." Do I get 1/2 credit? If it's stuck, it's stuck. This is a different scenario, expert. Why don't you tell us about your cut and run life philosophy, liar. |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One of my recent students who shall remain nameless, failed to complete a homework assignment after apparently losing interest in the subject. Therefore I will throw it open to the group. You are in a 40 something boat, power or sail makes no difference, anchored in over 40 feet of water with 3/8ths chain and a 60 pound anchor. The combination of chain and anchor weigh about 150 pounds not counting the large mud ball that wants to come up also, easily 200 pounds total. The chain and anchor are worth something over $1500 and not easily replaced in remote locations. The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? You'll notice that Larry never once acknowledged his statement "cut and run" was fundamentally wrong. You'll also notice that I gave a rather complete solution to this question, and all the "men" have refused to comment on it, even the "expert" Wayne. I did respond. I just don't monitor this group all day long like some misfits. So sorry for the lack of a response. Maybe this pathetic "reminder" will elicit one. Maybe you'll finally admit that you lied when you claimed you never said cut and run. Still waiting... why not be a man and admit it? You are a man, right? That's what you're claiming? |
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"W1TEF" wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:04:47 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jun 22, 1:46 pm, Richard Casady wrote: Apology? If you mean for mispelling my name, that is no big deal. People almost always get it wrong. What got old was being asked if I was related to Hopalong, a not bad western actor who was popular in the forties and fifties. I was the smartest kid in the school. Not a fun job, but somebodies luck had to run out.` Casady- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I went to school with a kid named Tom Sawyer. He got tired of people asking him "Where's Huck Finn?" I had a friend in grammar school named Cashmere Baeter. In those days it was popular to preface boys surnames with Master. What - you like two hundred years old? :) Closing in on it. |
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:36:43 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:
I went to school with a kid named Tom Sawyer. He got tired of people asking him "Where's Huck Finn?" I had a friend in grammar school named Cashmere Baeter. In those days it was popular to preface boys surnames with Master. What - you like two hundred years old? :) Closing in on it. That's a lot of duck years, but what the heck, you're still quacking. :-) |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One of my recent students who shall remain nameless, failed to complete a homework assignment after apparently losing interest in the subject. Therefore I will throw it open to the group. You are in a 40 something boat, power or sail makes no difference, anchored in over 40 feet of water with 3/8ths chain and a 60 pound anchor. The combination of chain and anchor weigh about 150 pounds not counting the large mud ball that wants to come up also, easily 200 pounds total. The chain and anchor are worth something over $1500 and not easily replaced in remote locations. The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? You'll notice that Larry never once acknowledged his statement "cut and run" was fundamentally wrong. You'll also notice that I gave a rather complete solution to this question, and all the "men" have refused to comment on it, even the "expert" Wayne. I did respond. I just don't monitor this group all day long like some misfits. So sorry for the lack of a response. Maybe this pathetic "reminder" will elicit one. Maybe you'll finally admit that you lied when you claimed you never said cut and run. Still waiting... why not be a man and admit it? You are a man, right? That's what you're claiming? A pathetic, sorry excuse for one. |
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On Jun 22, 12:37*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Jun 21, 9:49 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:46:59 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: The problem: *The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. * How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Drag the bottom with hook the right size to snag the chain. Then what ? Blame Obama. No need to blame him for your petty anchor problems, D'Plume. He's doing enough to catch hell for. You're the one with the petty problems. With no irony, D'Plume. You are simply *petty* |
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On Jun 21, 7:25*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One of my recent students who shall remain nameless, failed to complete a homework assignment after apparently losing interest in the subject. * Therefore I will throw it open to the group. You are in a 40 something boat, power or sail makes no difference, anchored in over 40 feet of water with 3/8ths chain and a 60 pound anchor. * The combination of chain and anchor weigh about 150 pounds not counting the large mud ball that wants to come up also, easily 200 pounds total. * The chain and anchor are worth something over $1500 and not easily replaced in remote locations. The problem: *The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. * How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Well, you don't do what Larry said, "If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and the Captain had no other choice." Do I get 1/2 credit? No. |
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"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Jun 22, 12:37 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Jun 21, 9:49 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:46:59 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Drag the bottom with hook the right size to snag the chain. Then what ? Blame Obama. No need to blame him for your petty anchor problems, D'Plume. He's doing enough to catch hell for. You're the one with the petty problems. With no irony, D'Plume. You are simply *petty* Spoken by a guy who enjoys stalking women? Well, ok. |
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On Jun 23, 1:09*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Jun 22, 12:37 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message .... On Jun 21, 9:49 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:46:59 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: The problem: *The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. * How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Drag the bottom with hook the right size to snag the chain. Then what ? Blame Obama. No need to blame him for your petty anchor problems, D'Plume. He's doing enough to catch hell for. You're the one with the petty problems. With no irony, *D'Plume. You are simply *petty* Spoken by a guy who enjoys stalking women? Well, ok. But, who would mistake you for a woman, D'Plume? |
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On 23/06/2010 6:00 AM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Jun 23, 1:09 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jun 22, 12:37 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jun 21, 9:49 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:46:59 -0600, wrote: The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Drag the bottom with hook the right size to snag the chain. Then what ? Blame Obama. No need to blame him for your petty anchor problems, D'Plume. He's doing enough to catch hell for. You're the one with the petty problems. With no irony, D'Plume. You are simply *petty* Spoken by a guy who enjoys stalking women? Well, ok. But, who would mistake you for a woman, D'Plume? Part of why we sometimes address de-plume as she-it. -- The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense. |
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On 6/23/10 9:24 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/06/2010 6:00 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Jun 23, 1:09 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jun 22, 12:37 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jun 21, 9:49 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:46:59 -0600, wrote: The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Drag the bottom with hook the right size to snag the chain. Then what ? Blame Obama. No need to blame him for your petty anchor problems, D'Plume. He's doing enough to catch hell for. You're the one with the petty problems. With no irony, D'Plume. You are simply *petty* Spoken by a guy who enjoys stalking women? Well, ok. But, who would mistake you for a woman, D'Plume? Part of why we sometimes address de-plume as she-it. The "why" is that you and your right-wing buddies here are assholes, and worse, scared to death of women with brains. One can only imagine what your aged Stepford Wives are like, eh? |
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On Jun 23, 9:27*am, Harry wrote:
On 6/23/10 9:24 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/06/2010 6:00 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Jun 23, 1:09 am, wrote: wrote in message .... On Jun 22, 12:37 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jun 21, 9:49 pm, wrote: wrote in message news:b540265v9064pa5fcirpnbd6n976nuc9nu@4ax .com... On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:46:59 -0600, wrote: The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Drag the bottom with hook the right size to snag the chain. Then what ? Blame Obama. No need to blame him for your petty anchor problems, D'Plume. He's doing enough to catch hell for. You're the one with the petty problems. With no irony, D'Plume. You are simply *petty* Spoken by a guy who enjoys stalking women? Well, ok. But, who would mistake you for a woman, D'Plume? Part of why we sometimes address de-plume as she-it. The "why" is that you and your right-wing buddies here are assholes, and worse, scared to death of women with brains. One can only imagine what your aged Stepford Wives are like, eh? Did not have time to read all the other answers, however, a 40' boat by itself is a pretty good fulcrum pivoting about it's center of buoyancy. So, get the chain vertical, heave till it is taught with all persons ON THE BOW. Everybody goes aft which pulls the anchor free. Repeat to slowly haul the anchor. |
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On 6/23/10 11:12 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 23, 9:27 am, wrote: On 6/23/10 9:24 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/06/2010 6:00 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Jun 23, 1:09 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jun 22, 12:37 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jun 21, 9:49 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:46:59 -0600, wrote: The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Drag the bottom with hook the right size to snag the chain. Then what ? Blame Obama. No need to blame him for your petty anchor problems, D'Plume. He's doing enough to catch hell for. You're the one with the petty problems. With no irony, D'Plume. You are simply *petty* Spoken by a guy who enjoys stalking women? Well, ok. But, who would mistake you for a woman, D'Plume? Part of why we sometimes address de-plume as she-it. The "why" is that you and your right-wing buddies here are assholes, and worse, scared to death of women with brains. One can only imagine what your aged Stepford Wives are like, eh? Did not have time to read all the other answers, however, a 40' boat by itself is a pretty good fulcrum pivoting about it's center of buoyancy. So, get the chain vertical, heave till it is taught with all persons ON THE BOW. Everybody goes aft which pulls the anchor free. Repeat to slowly haul the anchor. Unless, of course, the anchor is snagged on something significant. |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:12:51 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: So, get the chain vertical, heave till it is taught with all persons ON THE BOW. Everybody goes aft which pulls the anchor free. Repeat to slowly haul the anchor. That only works if you keep progressing into shallower water as SW Tom suggested. |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:22:44 -0400, Harry
wrote: Unless, of course, the anchor is snagged on something significant. The problem as stated was a broken windlass, not a fouled anchor. |
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On Jun 23, 12:35*pm, Harry wrote:
In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message m... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One of my recent students who shall remain nameless, failed to complete a homework assignment after apparently losing interest in the subject. * Therefore I will throw it open to the group. You are in a 40 something boat, power or sail makes no difference, anchored in over 40 feet of water with 3/8ths chain and a 60 pound anchor. * The combination of chain and anchor weigh about 150 pounds not counting the large mud ball that wants to come up also, easily 200 pounds total. * The chain and anchor are worth something over $1500 and not easily replaced in remote locations. The problem: *The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. * How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? You'll notice that Larry never once acknowledged his statement "cut and run" was fundamentally wrong. You'll also notice that I gave a rather complete solution to this question, and all the "men" have refused to comment on it, even the "expert" Wayne. I did respond. *I just don't monitor this group all day long like some misfits. So sorry for the lack of a response. *Maybe this pathetic "reminder" will elicit one. Maybe you'll finally admit that you lied when you claimed you never said cut and run. Still waiting... why not be a man and admit it? You are a man, right? That's what you're claiming? A pathetic, sorry excuse for one. Little buddy, you may want to tone that down a little. What with your son hanging around your house drinking your beer and such. Every boat has some sort of rope or dock lines. Even without any pulleys you can rig a two to one or 4 to one block and tackle -like system although it will have a lot of nylon to nylon friction which can be reduced by pouring water over where the ropes rub together. Make a loop over a cleat, make a prusik knot with another loop on the chain or something that can grab the chain. Your hauling rope goes back and forth between these two loops to give you a 4 to one advantage. Good God people, if the Egyptians can build pyramids with natural fiber ropes and levers, this is simple. |
Anchor Question
On 6/23/10 2:21 PM, YukonBound wrote:
"Harry" wrote in message ... In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One of my recent students who shall remain nameless, failed to complete a homework assignment after apparently losing interest in the subject. Therefore I will throw it open to the group. You are in a 40 something boat, power or sail makes no difference, anchored in over 40 feet of water with 3/8ths chain and a 60 pound anchor. The combination of chain and anchor weigh about 150 pounds not counting the large mud ball that wants to come up also, easily 200 pounds total. The chain and anchor are worth something over $1500 and not easily replaced in remote locations. The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? You'll notice that Larry never once acknowledged his statement "cut and run" was fundamentally wrong. You'll also notice that I gave a rather complete solution to this question, and all the "men" have refused to comment on it, even the "expert" Wayne. I did respond. I just don't monitor this group all day long like some misfits. So sorry for the lack of a response. Maybe this pathetic "reminder" will elicit one. Maybe you'll finally admit that you lied when you claimed you never said cut and run. Still waiting... why not be a man and admit it? You are a man, right? That's what you're claiming? A pathetic, sorry excuse for one. Little buddy, you may want to tone that down a little. What with your son hanging around your house drinking your beer and such. That you Kevin Noble? I have no beer around for my son to drink... but since it's getting warmer, a nice case of 24 would come in handy. Are you allowed to have liquor in the house...after the broken arms incident? The ID spoofer certainly comes across here like Loogy...witless, dull, coward, big mouth, bad writer. I suppose if I were Loogy, I'd want to be someone else, too. |
Anchor Question
On Jun 23, 2:21*pm, "YukonBound" wrote:
"Harry" wrote in message ... In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message m... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One of my recent students who shall remain nameless, failed to complete a homework assignment after apparently losing interest in the subject. * Therefore I will throw it open to the group. You are in a 40 something boat, power or sail makes no difference, anchored in over 40 feet of water with 3/8ths chain and a 60 pound anchor. * The combination of chain and anchor weigh about 150 pounds not counting the large mud ball that wants to come up also, easily 200 pounds total. * The chain and anchor are worth something over $1500 and not easily replaced in remote locations. The problem: *The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. * How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? You'll notice that Larry never once acknowledged his statement "cut and run" was fundamentally wrong. You'll also notice that I gave a rather complete solution to this question, and all the "men" have refused to comment on it, even the "expert" Wayne. I did respond. *I just don't monitor this group all day long like some misfits. So sorry for the lack of a response. *Maybe this pathetic "reminder" will elicit one. Maybe you'll finally admit that you lied when you claimed you never said cut and run. Still waiting... why not be a man and admit it? You are a man, right? That's what you're claiming? A pathetic, sorry excuse for one. Little buddy, you may want to tone that down a little. What with your son hanging around your house drinking your beer and such. That you Kevin Noble? I have no beer around for my son to drink... but since it's getting warmer, a nice case of 24 would come in handy. Are you allowed to have liquor in the house...after the broken arms incident? As you already have the non-working windlass, the easiest thing is a variation on the "Spanish Windlass" where you wrap the chain around the windlass but put a bar with some length under one wrap. This bar is used to sort of twist and force it to wrap more while somebody takes the chain off as it wraps. Another possibility using a rope is a Spanish Windlass where you use a long loop between a cleat and the chain, A bar goes thru the loop and is used to twist the loop like winding up a rubber band. You do not get much length of pull but you can get a lot of leverage if you have a long bar. As anchor comes up, cleat it off and repeat. |
Anchor Question
In article ,
says... "Harry" wrote in message ... In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One of my recent students who shall remain nameless, failed to complete a homework assignment after apparently losing interest in the subject. Therefore I will throw it open to the group. You are in a 40 something boat, power or sail makes no difference, anchored in over 40 feet of water with 3/8ths chain and a 60 pound anchor. The combination of chain and anchor weigh about 150 pounds not counting the large mud ball that wants to come up also, easily 200 pounds total. The chain and anchor are worth something over $1500 and not easily replaced in remote locations. The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? You'll notice that Larry never once acknowledged his statement "cut and run" was fundamentally wrong. You'll also notice that I gave a rather complete solution to this question, and all the "men" have refused to comment on it, even the "expert" Wayne. I did respond. I just don't monitor this group all day long like some misfits. So sorry for the lack of a response. Maybe this pathetic "reminder" will elicit one. Maybe you'll finally admit that you lied when you claimed you never said cut and run. Still waiting... why not be a man and admit it? You are a man, right? That's what you're claiming? A pathetic, sorry excuse for one. Little buddy, you may want to tone that down a little. What with your son hanging around your house drinking your beer and such. That you Kevin Noble? I have no beer around for my son to drink... but since it's getting warmer, a nice case of 24 would come in handy. Are you allowed to have liquor in the house...after the broken arms incident? I am Harry, numbnuts. And what does liquor have to do with beer? I have no broken arms, little buddy and you know that. As for beer, I don't touch the stuff. I'm far too sophisticated and cultured for that. I have liquor on the lobsta' boat for when I wine and dine the Washington elite. |
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says... On 6/23/10 2:21 PM, YukonBound wrote: "Harry" wrote in message ... In article , says... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One of my recent students who shall remain nameless, failed to complete a homework assignment after apparently losing interest in the subject. Therefore I will throw it open to the group. You are in a 40 something boat, power or sail makes no difference, anchored in over 40 feet of water with 3/8ths chain and a 60 pound anchor. The combination of chain and anchor weigh about 150 pounds not counting the large mud ball that wants to come up also, easily 200 pounds total. The chain and anchor are worth something over $1500 and not easily replaced in remote locations. The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? You'll notice that Larry never once acknowledged his statement "cut and run" was fundamentally wrong. You'll also notice that I gave a rather complete solution to this question, and all the "men" have refused to comment on it, even the "expert" Wayne. I did respond. I just don't monitor this group all day long like some misfits. So sorry for the lack of a response. Maybe this pathetic "reminder" will elicit one. Maybe you'll finally admit that you lied when you claimed you never said cut and run. Still waiting... why not be a man and admit it? You are a man, right? That's what you're claiming? A pathetic, sorry excuse for one. Little buddy, you may want to tone that down a little. What with your son hanging around your house drinking your beer and such. That you Kevin Noble? I have no beer around for my son to drink... but since it's getting warmer, a nice case of 24 would come in handy. Are you allowed to have liquor in the house...after the broken arms incident? The ID spoofer certainly comes across here like Loogy...witless, dull, coward, big mouth, bad writer. I suppose if I were Loogy, I'd want to be someone else, too. Spoofer alert! Everyone knows that I know everything there is to know, just ask me. I know full well who the spoofers are. |
Anchor Question
"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Jun 23, 1:09 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Jun 22, 12:37 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Jun 21, 9:49 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:46:59 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Drag the bottom with hook the right size to snag the chain. Then what ? Blame Obama. No need to blame him for your petty anchor problems, D'Plume. He's doing enough to catch hell for. You're the one with the petty problems. With no irony, D'Plume. You are simply *petty* Spoken by a guy who enjoys stalking women? Well, ok. But, who would mistake you for a woman, D'Plume? Who would mistake you for a man? |
Anchor Question
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 23/06/2010 6:00 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Jun 23, 1:09 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jun 22, 12:37 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jun 21, 9:49 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:46:59 -0600, wrote: The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Drag the bottom with hook the right size to snag the chain. Then what ? Blame Obama. No need to blame him for your petty anchor problems, D'Plume. He's doing enough to catch hell for. You're the one with the petty problems. With no irony, D'Plume. You are simply *petty* Spoken by a guy who enjoys stalking women? Well, ok. But, who would mistake you for a woman, D'Plume? Part of why we sometimes address de-plume as she-it. -- The bigger government gets, the more it tends to rule out common sense. Part of why you're a misogynistic idiot/racist. |
Anchor Question
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Jun 23, 9:27 am, Harry wrote: On 6/23/10 9:24 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/06/2010 6:00 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Jun 23, 1:09 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jun 22, 12:37 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On Jun 21, 9:49 pm, wrote: wrote in message news:b540265v9064pa5fcirpnbd6n976nuc9nu@4ax .com... On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:46:59 -0600, wrote: The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Drag the bottom with hook the right size to snag the chain. Then what ? Blame Obama. No need to blame him for your petty anchor problems, D'Plume. He's doing enough to catch hell for. You're the one with the petty problems. With no irony, D'Plume. You are simply *petty* Spoken by a guy who enjoys stalking women? Well, ok. But, who would mistake you for a woman, D'Plume? Part of why we sometimes address de-plume as she-it. The "why" is that you and your right-wing buddies here are assholes, and worse, scared to death of women with brains. One can only imagine what your aged Stepford Wives are like, eh? Did not have time to read all the other answers, however, a 40' boat by itself is a pretty good fulcrum pivoting about it's center of buoyancy. So, get the chain vertical, heave till it is taught with all persons ON THE BOW. Everybody goes aft which pulls the anchor free. Repeat to slowly haul the anchor. Do you really think one or two people on the bow of that size boat is going to have much of an effect on it? That's what 350 lbs? |
Anchor Question
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:30:01 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: Another possibility using a rope is a Spanish Windlass where you use a long loop between a cleat and the chain, A bar goes thru the loop and is used to twist the loop like winding up a rubber band. You do not get much length of pull but you can get a lot of leverage if you have a long bar. As anchor comes up, cleat it off and repeat. That works, especially the "repeat" part. Anything that yields a significant mechanical advantage will do the job as long as you have a good supply of "repeat" on board. :-) |
Anchor Question
Frogwatch wrote:
Did not have time to read all the other answers, however, a 40' boat by itself is a pretty good fulcrum pivoting about it's center of buoyancy. So, get the chain vertical, heave till it is taught with all persons ON THE BOW. Everybody goes aft which pulls the anchor free. Repeat to slowly haul the anchor. Got a picture of that? Don't make sense. Funny to visualize though if you picture John Candy and Fatty Arbuckle as crew. You want slow hauling? Let the tide pull the anchor up. A buddy of mine had a 40' cat with +275' chain rode. Was becalmed off an island in the South Pacific and decided to clean his chain locker and untwist the chain. 500' water. Unshackled the anchor first. Think it was a Bruce 44#. Dropped the chain in the drink, cleaned the locker, then couldn't haul a link of chain with the windlass and his full strength added. Slowly powered the boat into 150' water before he could haul it in. Lucky he had removed the anchor and didn't snag the chain. So don't anchor with all chain rode in deep water unless you have the hoisting gear for it. Jim - There are six million stories in the South Pacific. This has been one of them. |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:45:07 -0400, Harry
wrote: I have liquor on the lobsta' boat for when I wine and dine the Washington elite. Aww shucks, you must be a spoofer. Just about everyone knows that the Washington elite would not be seen dead on anything resembling a lobsta' boat. Anything less than a 120 ft mega yacht is small change in those circles. A lobsta' boat might make a decent tender however if it was well appointed with corinthian leather upholstery and a few other upscale touches. A Hinckley picnic boat would be a better choice however. http://hubpages.com/hub/Hinckley-Pic...-Lake-St-Clair http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/cate...Boat+Classic/1 Looks like there are quite a few on the Chesapeake but very doubtful that any belong to our hero. As I recall he couldn't afford the fuel for a 24 ft cuddy. |
Anchor Question
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... One of my recent students who shall remain nameless, failed to complete a homework assignment after apparently losing interest in the subject. Therefore I will throw it open to the group. You are in a 40 something boat, power or sail makes no difference, anchored in over 40 feet of water with 3/8ths chain and a 60 pound anchor. The combination of chain and anchor weigh about 150 pounds not counting the large mud ball that wants to come up also, easily 200 pounds total. The chain and anchor are worth something over $1500 and not easily replaced in remote locations. The problem: The anchor windlass has failed in some unfortunate way, and not easily repaired. How do you retrieve your expensive anchor and chain? Well, you don't do what Larry said, "If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and the Captain had no other choice." Do I get 1/2 credit? If it's stuck, it's stuck. This is a different scenario, expert. Why don't you tell us about your cut and run life philosophy, liar. I just covered that, bimbo. |
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