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Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
Police killers identified as activists on mission to spread anti-government message By Zack McMillin, Marc Perrusquia Memphis Commercial Appeal In the final moments of their lives, West Memphis Police Department veterans Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans encountered Thursday an old white Plymouth Voyager minivan carrying 16-year-old Joe Kane and his 45-year-old father, Jerry R. Kane -- a man who unbeknownst to them harbored extreme anti-government views. He also had a record of previous trouble with police and a philosophy, which he credited to the Bible, of applying overwhelming violence to "conquer" foes. Increasingly surreal revelations Friday about the Kanes gradually led to a late-evening confirmation by Arkansas State Police that Jerry Kane of Chester, Ohio, and Joe, of unknown residence, were indeed the dead suspects they believe killed Evans and Paudert -- the son of the town's chief of police. The Kanes later wounded Crittenden County Sheriff Dick Busby and Deputy Chief W.A. Wren in the conclusive shootout at Walmart in which father and son were killed. Jerry Kane traveled the country with his son giving seminars on what he called "mortgage fraud" and offering advice on foreclosure strategies. A website promoting those seminars provided a trove of information -- audio files and YouTube videos and links to various documents -- detailing his world views. One particularly chilling YouTube clip involves Kane fielding a question about a "rogue" Internal Revenue Service agent: "Violence doesn't solve anything, OK. It's not violence that we're after. The Bible even tells us that if you're going to go and make war against somebody, you have to kill their sheep and their goats and their chickens and their babies and their wives. OK?" In the YouTube video he said, "You have to kill them all. So what we're after here is not fighting, it's conquering. I don't want to have to kill anybody, but if they keep messing with me, that's what it's going to have to come out. That's what it's going to come down to, is I'm going to have to kill. And if I have to kill one, then I'm not going to be able to stop, I just know it." In that video, he and Joe joke about using a bat to "take care of" a problem with an IRS agent. In an Internet broadcast dated May 6, Jerry Kane talks about New Mexico police arresting him in April at a "Nazi checkpoint where they were demanding papers or jail." A woman identifying herself as Donna Lee, who lives in Clearwater, Fla., told The Commercial Appeal she was the common-law wife of Jerry Kane, and that, looking at news footage, she could identify the minivan, a black dog she called Olie escaping the van after the shootout and, finally, the lifeless body of her stepson, Joe, in front of the minivan. At least one neighbor in Clearwater confirmed the presence of Joe and Jerry there over the past few months, although a background check showed Jerry had lived in central Ohio for much of his life -- in Springfield much of the past two decades. Other relatives confirmed similar details to The Commercial Appeal, including that another dog, named Missy Kate, was also traveling in the van. The West Memphis Animal Shelter confirmed that another dog, which had been killed, had indeed been found. Another friend said the Kanes also traveled with a box of ashes of Jerry's late wife, who was Joe's mother. Lee also said Jerry Kane owned an AK-47 and carried it with him on trips because he liked taking it to shooting ranges. But Lee insisted that Jerry and Joe Kane were doing good work, helping people with financial troubles keep their homes. A memorial website devoted to the Kanes sprang up early Friday expressing similar sentiments and featuring messages from many people clearly holding great affection -- and even admiration -- for father and son. Ohio police records describe Kane as a burly man, 6-foot-2 and 230 pounds, who for a time wore a black beard. Since 1983, Kane was arrested or cited six times in Clark County, Ohio, on charges ranging from passing bad checks to criminal trespass, drunken driving and driving with expired tags. Kane was charged with felonious assault in 2004 after allegedly shooting a 13-year-old boy in Springfield with a "handgun-style BB gun.'' Material on the website promoting Kane's foreclosure-advising business displays classic rhetoric experts say is associated with anti-government groups. Topics discussed on the site include microchips inserted into people's bodies, plots involving the H1N1 vaccine and the contention that U.S. dollars don't constitute real money. "It's a classic Patriot or Sovereign Citizen website,'' said Mark Potok, director of the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center. In that YouTube clip about the "rogue" IRS agent, in which Jerry described his view of the proper use of violence, his son is shown laughing and offering to deal with the agent himself: "If you pay for the bat, I'll take care of the problem." Later, the son describes his view on violence: "They drew first blood. You are self-defending." Jerry Kane asks of the audience: "Can anybody tell that my son has never been to school? ... He slipped though the cracks." Potok said a check of the Southern Poverty center's databases found no mention of Kane, but that he clearly was at least influenced by extreme right-wing organizations. "Without question, Jerry Kane was mouthing some of the core ideas of anti-government, Patriot movement," Potok said. The white van in Thursday's shootout was registered to a New Vienna, Ohio, organization called House of God's Prayer. Potok said a former FBI informant says the building where the church was housed also once served as the headquarters for the Aryan Nations, a white supremacist group. "That was an incredibly violent bunch of people up there,'' Potok said. Lee rejected any suggestion that Jerry and Joe held racist views. She said Jerry Kane tried "to help everyone, it did not matter what their color." -- These killers are one step removed from the right-wing trash that infects this newsgroup and no doubt supporters of tea partyers, sarah palin, rush, glenn and all the other supercon assholes of the world. Yep...that includes flajim, canuck, bar, and the rest of the pack of right-wing name changers. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
hk wrote:
Police killers identified as activists on mission to spread anti-government message By Zack McMillin, Marc Perrusquia Memphis Commercial Appeal In the final moments of their lives, West Memphis Police Department veterans Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans encountered Thursday an old white Plymouth Voyager minivan carrying 16-year-old Joe Kane and his 45-year-old father, Jerry R. Kane -- a man who unbeknownst to them harbored extreme anti-government views. He also had a record of previous trouble with police and a philosophy, which he credited to the Bible, of applying overwhelming violence to "conquer" foes. Increasingly surreal revelations Friday about the Kanes gradually led to a late-evening confirmation by Arkansas State Police that Jerry Kane of Chester, Ohio, and Joe, of unknown residence, were indeed the dead suspects they believe killed Evans and Paudert -- the son of the town's chief of police. The Kanes later wounded Crittenden County Sheriff Dick Busby and Deputy Chief W.A. Wren in the conclusive shootout at Walmart in which father and son were killed. Jerry Kane traveled the country with his son giving seminars on what he called "mortgage fraud" and offering advice on foreclosure strategies. A website promoting those seminars provided a trove of information -- audio files and YouTube videos and links to various documents -- detailing his world views. One particularly chilling YouTube clip involves Kane fielding a question about a "rogue" Internal Revenue Service agent: "Violence doesn't solve anything, OK. It's not violence that we're after. The Bible even tells us that if you're going to go and make war against somebody, you have to kill their sheep and their goats and their chickens and their babies and their wives. OK?" In the YouTube video he said, "You have to kill them all. So what we're after here is not fighting, it's conquering. I don't want to have to kill anybody, but if they keep messing with me, that's what it's going to have to come out. That's what it's going to come down to, is I'm going to have to kill. And if I have to kill one, then I'm not going to be able to stop, I just know it." In that video, he and Joe joke about using a bat to "take care of" a problem with an IRS agent. In an Internet broadcast dated May 6, Jerry Kane talks about New Mexico police arresting him in April at a "Nazi checkpoint where they were demanding papers or jail." A woman identifying herself as Donna Lee, who lives in Clearwater, Fla., told The Commercial Appeal she was the common-law wife of Jerry Kane, and that, looking at news footage, she could identify the minivan, a black dog she called Olie escaping the van after the shootout and, finally, the lifeless body of her stepson, Joe, in front of the minivan. At least one neighbor in Clearwater confirmed the presence of Joe and Jerry there over the past few months, although a background check showed Jerry had lived in central Ohio for much of his life -- in Springfield much of the past two decades. Other relatives confirmed similar details to The Commercial Appeal, including that another dog, named Missy Kate, was also traveling in the van. The West Memphis Animal Shelter confirmed that another dog, which had been killed, had indeed been found. Another friend said the Kanes also traveled with a box of ashes of Jerry's late wife, who was Joe's mother. Lee also said Jerry Kane owned an AK-47 and carried it with him on trips because he liked taking it to shooting ranges. But Lee insisted that Jerry and Joe Kane were doing good work, helping people with financial troubles keep their homes. A memorial website devoted to the Kanes sprang up early Friday expressing similar sentiments and featuring messages from many people clearly holding great affection -- and even admiration -- for father and son. Ohio police records describe Kane as a burly man, 6-foot-2 and 230 pounds, who for a time wore a black beard. Since 1983, Kane was arrested or cited six times in Clark County, Ohio, on charges ranging from passing bad checks to criminal trespass, drunken driving and driving with expired tags. Kane was charged with felonious assault in 2004 after allegedly shooting a 13-year-old boy in Springfield with a "handgun-style BB gun.'' Material on the website promoting Kane's foreclosure-advising business displays classic rhetoric experts say is associated with anti-government groups. Topics discussed on the site include microchips inserted into people's bodies, plots involving the H1N1 vaccine and the contention that U.S. dollars don't constitute real money. "It's a classic Patriot or Sovereign Citizen website,'' said Mark Potok, director of the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center. In that YouTube clip about the "rogue" IRS agent, in which Jerry described his view of the proper use of violence, his son is shown laughing and offering to deal with the agent himself: "If you pay for the bat, I'll take care of the problem." Later, the son describes his view on violence: "They drew first blood. You are self-defending." Jerry Kane asks of the audience: "Can anybody tell that my son has never been to school? ... He slipped though the cracks." Potok said a check of the Southern Poverty center's databases found no mention of Kane, but that he clearly was at least influenced by extreme right-wing organizations. "Without question, Jerry Kane was mouthing some of the core ideas of anti-government, Patriot movement," Potok said. The white van in Thursday's shootout was registered to a New Vienna, Ohio, organization called House of God's Prayer. Potok said a former FBI informant says the building where the church was housed also once served as the headquarters for the Aryan Nations, a white supremacist group. "That was an incredibly violent bunch of people up there,'' Potok said. Lee rejected any suggestion that Jerry and Joe held racist views. She said Jerry Kane tried "to help everyone, it did not matter what their color." Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement Officers. My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement Community. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote:
Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 23/05/2010 11:15 AM, lil abner wrote:
hk wrote: Police killers identified as activists on mission to spread anti-government message By Zack McMillin, Marc Perrusquia Memphis Commercial Appeal In the final moments of their lives, West Memphis Police Department veterans Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans encountered Thursday an old white Plymouth Voyager minivan carrying 16-year-old Joe Kane and his 45-year-old father, Jerry R. Kane -- a man who unbeknownst to them harbored extreme anti-government views. He also had a record of previous trouble with police and a philosophy, which he credited to the Bible, of applying overwhelming violence to "conquer" foes. Increasingly surreal revelations Friday about the Kanes gradually led to a late-evening confirmation by Arkansas State Police that Jerry Kane of Chester, Ohio, and Joe, of unknown residence, were indeed the dead suspects they believe killed Evans and Paudert -- the son of the town's chief of police. The Kanes later wounded Crittenden County Sheriff Dick Busby and Deputy Chief W.A. Wren in the conclusive shootout at Walmart in which father and son were killed. Jerry Kane traveled the country with his son giving seminars on what he called "mortgage fraud" and offering advice on foreclosure strategies. A website promoting those seminars provided a trove of information -- audio files and YouTube videos and links to various documents -- detailing his world views. One particularly chilling YouTube clip involves Kane fielding a question about a "rogue" Internal Revenue Service agent: "Violence doesn't solve anything, OK. It's not violence that we're after. The Bible even tells us that if you're going to go and make war against somebody, you have to kill their sheep and their goats and their chickens and their babies and their wives. OK?" In the YouTube video he said, "You have to kill them all. So what we're after here is not fighting, it's conquering. I don't want to have to kill anybody, but if they keep messing with me, that's what it's going to have to come out. That's what it's going to come down to, is I'm going to have to kill. And if I have to kill one, then I'm not going to be able to stop, I just know it." In that video, he and Joe joke about using a bat to "take care of" a problem with an IRS agent. In an Internet broadcast dated May 6, Jerry Kane talks about New Mexico police arresting him in April at a "Nazi checkpoint where they were demanding papers or jail." A woman identifying herself as Donna Lee, who lives in Clearwater, Fla., told The Commercial Appeal she was the common-law wife of Jerry Kane, and that, looking at news footage, she could identify the minivan, a black dog she called Olie escaping the van after the shootout and, finally, the lifeless body of her stepson, Joe, in front of the minivan. At least one neighbor in Clearwater confirmed the presence of Joe and Jerry there over the past few months, although a background check showed Jerry had lived in central Ohio for much of his life -- in Springfield much of the past two decades. Other relatives confirmed similar details to The Commercial Appeal, including that another dog, named Missy Kate, was also traveling in the van. The West Memphis Animal Shelter confirmed that another dog, which had been killed, had indeed been found. Another friend said the Kanes also traveled with a box of ashes of Jerry's late wife, who was Joe's mother. Lee also said Jerry Kane owned an AK-47 and carried it with him on trips because he liked taking it to shooting ranges. But Lee insisted that Jerry and Joe Kane were doing good work, helping people with financial troubles keep their homes. A memorial website devoted to the Kanes sprang up early Friday expressing similar sentiments and featuring messages from many people clearly holding great affection -- and even admiration -- for father and son. Ohio police records describe Kane as a burly man, 6-foot-2 and 230 pounds, who for a time wore a black beard. Since 1983, Kane was arrested or cited six times in Clark County, Ohio, on charges ranging from passing bad checks to criminal trespass, drunken driving and driving with expired tags. Kane was charged with felonious assault in 2004 after allegedly shooting a 13-year-old boy in Springfield with a "handgun-style BB gun.'' Material on the website promoting Kane's foreclosure-advising business displays classic rhetoric experts say is associated with anti-government groups. Topics discussed on the site include microchips inserted into people's bodies, plots involving the H1N1 vaccine and the contention that U.S. dollars don't constitute real money. "It's a classic Patriot or Sovereign Citizen website,'' said Mark Potok, director of the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center. In that YouTube clip about the "rogue" IRS agent, in which Jerry described his view of the proper use of violence, his son is shown laughing and offering to deal with the agent himself: "If you pay for the bat, I'll take care of the problem." Later, the son describes his view on violence: "They drew first blood. You are self-defending." Jerry Kane asks of the audience: "Can anybody tell that my son has never been to school? ... He slipped though the cracks." Potok said a check of the Southern Poverty center's databases found no mention of Kane, but that he clearly was at least influenced by extreme right-wing organizations. "Without question, Jerry Kane was mouthing some of the core ideas of anti-government, Patriot movement," Potok said. The white van in Thursday's shootout was registered to a New Vienna, Ohio, organization called House of God's Prayer. Potok said a former FBI informant says the building where the church was housed also once served as the headquarters for the Aryan Nations, a white supremacist group. "That was an incredibly violent bunch of people up there,'' Potok said. Lee rejected any suggestion that Jerry and Joe held racist views. She said Jerry Kane tried "to help everyone, it did not matter what their color." Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement Officers. My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement Community. Ditto, they were just good people trying to do a job. But it is unfortuante that as governemnt goes one way, and the people go the other, more and more such conflicts will occur. It happens any time government gets too big and does not listen to the people because it's own adgenda takes precidence. Take the civil war, often touted as slavery, but the reality was unification. Remember victors write the history books. DC/Lincoln had the power to assert unification of southern states and many good people on both sides died for it. Just like the Boston Tea party and the American revolution... -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
nom=de=plume wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist and since the idiots that did that crime are real extremists, silence opposition as you might me lumped in with their number. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 5/23/10 1:58 PM, lil abner wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist... That's just more right-wing extremist bull****. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote:
Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. so people who murder police officers are being faithful to the constitution? is this how the right wing thinks? No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement Officers. yah you right wingers generally lie about your members. the murderers were right wingers who hated cops and the constitution My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement Community. except that you wish t hem dead |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:58:32 -0400, lil abner wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist and since the idiots that did that crime are real extremists, silence opposition as you might me lumped in with their number. and you label cop killers as heroes. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On Sun, 23 May 2010 11:50:50 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: But it is unfortuante that as governemnt goes one way, and the people go the other, more and more such conflicts will occur. It happens any time government gets too big and does not listen to the people because it's own adgenda takes precidence. so canuck is now in favor of cop killing so far it appears the right loves dead guys in blue Take the civil war, often touted as slavery, but the reality was unification. Remember victors write the history books. DC/Lincoln had the power to assert unification of southern states and many good people on both sides died for it. Just like the Boston Tea party and the American revolution... except you hate america |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. so people who murder police officers are being faithful to the constitution? is this how the left wing thinks? No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement Officers. yah left wingers generally lie about your members. the murderers were left wingers who hated cops and the constitution My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement Community. left wingers wish t hem dead |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
"lil abner" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist and since the idiots that did that crime are real extremists, silence opposition as you might me lumped in with their number. Basically, you defended someone who murdered police by claiming that the SPLC identified that person as an extremist. If you want to be labeled as an extremist, feel free to make threats against the police or Obama. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 23/05/2010 11:15 AM, lil abner wrote: hk wrote: Police killers identified as activists on mission to spread anti-government message By Zack McMillin, Marc Perrusquia Memphis Commercial Appeal In the final moments of their lives, West Memphis Police Department veterans Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans encountered Thursday an old white Plymouth Voyager minivan carrying 16-year-old Joe Kane and his 45-year-old father, Jerry R. Kane -- a man who unbeknownst to them harbored extreme anti-government views. He also had a record of previous trouble with police and a philosophy, which he credited to the Bible, of applying overwhelming violence to "conquer" foes. Increasingly surreal revelations Friday about the Kanes gradually led to a late-evening confirmation by Arkansas State Police that Jerry Kane of Chester, Ohio, and Joe, of unknown residence, were indeed the dead suspects they believe killed Evans and Paudert -- the son of the town's chief of police. The Kanes later wounded Crittenden County Sheriff Dick Busby and Deputy Chief W.A. Wren in the conclusive shootout at Walmart in which father and son were killed. Jerry Kane traveled the country with his son giving seminars on what he called "mortgage fraud" and offering advice on foreclosure strategies. A website promoting those seminars provided a trove of information -- audio files and YouTube videos and links to various documents -- detailing his world views. One particularly chilling YouTube clip involves Kane fielding a question about a "rogue" Internal Revenue Service agent: "Violence doesn't solve anything, OK. It's not violence that we're after. The Bible even tells us that if you're going to go and make war against somebody, you have to kill their sheep and their goats and their chickens and their babies and their wives. OK?" In the YouTube video he said, "You have to kill them all. So what we're after here is not fighting, it's conquering. I don't want to have to kill anybody, but if they keep messing with me, that's what it's going to have to come out. That's what it's going to come down to, is I'm going to have to kill. And if I have to kill one, then I'm not going to be able to stop, I just know it." In that video, he and Joe joke about using a bat to "take care of" a problem with an IRS agent. In an Internet broadcast dated May 6, Jerry Kane talks about New Mexico police arresting him in April at a "Nazi checkpoint where they were demanding papers or jail." A woman identifying herself as Donna Lee, who lives in Clearwater, Fla., told The Commercial Appeal she was the common-law wife of Jerry Kane, and that, looking at news footage, she could identify the minivan, a black dog she called Olie escaping the van after the shootout and, finally, the lifeless body of her stepson, Joe, in front of the minivan. At least one neighbor in Clearwater confirmed the presence of Joe and Jerry there over the past few months, although a background check showed Jerry had lived in central Ohio for much of his life -- in Springfield much of the past two decades. Other relatives confirmed similar details to The Commercial Appeal, including that another dog, named Missy Kate, was also traveling in the van. The West Memphis Animal Shelter confirmed that another dog, which had been killed, had indeed been found. Another friend said the Kanes also traveled with a box of ashes of Jerry's late wife, who was Joe's mother. Lee also said Jerry Kane owned an AK-47 and carried it with him on trips because he liked taking it to shooting ranges. But Lee insisted that Jerry and Joe Kane were doing good work, helping people with financial troubles keep their homes. A memorial website devoted to the Kanes sprang up early Friday expressing similar sentiments and featuring messages from many people clearly holding great affection -- and even admiration -- for father and son. Ohio police records describe Kane as a burly man, 6-foot-2 and 230 pounds, who for a time wore a black beard. Since 1983, Kane was arrested or cited six times in Clark County, Ohio, on charges ranging from passing bad checks to criminal trespass, drunken driving and driving with expired tags. Kane was charged with felonious assault in 2004 after allegedly shooting a 13-year-old boy in Springfield with a "handgun-style BB gun.'' Material on the website promoting Kane's foreclosure-advising business displays classic rhetoric experts say is associated with anti-government groups. Topics discussed on the site include microchips inserted into people's bodies, plots involving the H1N1 vaccine and the contention that U.S. dollars don't constitute real money. "It's a classic Patriot or Sovereign Citizen website,'' said Mark Potok, director of the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center. In that YouTube clip about the "rogue" IRS agent, in which Jerry described his view of the proper use of violence, his son is shown laughing and offering to deal with the agent himself: "If you pay for the bat, I'll take care of the problem." Later, the son describes his view on violence: "They drew first blood. You are self-defending." Jerry Kane asks of the audience: "Can anybody tell that my son has never been to school? ... He slipped though the cracks." Potok said a check of the Southern Poverty center's databases found no mention of Kane, but that he clearly was at least influenced by extreme right-wing organizations. "Without question, Jerry Kane was mouthing some of the core ideas of anti-government, Patriot movement," Potok said. The white van in Thursday's shootout was registered to a New Vienna, Ohio, organization called House of God's Prayer. Potok said a former FBI informant says the building where the church was housed also once served as the headquarters for the Aryan Nations, a white supremacist group. "That was an incredibly violent bunch of people up there,'' Potok said. Lee rejected any suggestion that Jerry and Joe held racist views. She said Jerry Kane tried "to help everyone, it did not matter what their color." Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement Officers. My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement Community. Ditto, they were just good people trying to do a job. But it is unfortuante that as governemnt goes one way, and the people go the other, more and more such conflicts will occur. It happens any time government gets too big and does not listen to the people because it's own adgenda takes precidence. Take the civil war, often touted as slavery, but the reality was unification. Remember victors write the history books. DC/Lincoln had the power to assert unification of southern states and many good people on both sides died for it. Just like the Boston Tea party and the American revolution... -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. You are an idiot. You know nothing about history, except as made up by the likes of Palin/Limbaugh. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 23/05/2010 12:22 PM, hk wrote:
On 5/23/10 1:58 PM, lil abner wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist... That's just more right-wing extremist bull****. Not at all. Those with the power write the books. If Adolph won WW II, we would call him a hero by now. Glad it didn't happen that way but that isn't the point, the point being winners write the history books. One could say the founders of the United States were terrorists against the British. You should by rights, and you mentality be a servant of the queen and British parliament as it was terrorists that set you free from that aristocracy. They were in fact traitors to their British government. Which is also why the founders enshrined the freedom of speach and the rights to arms. But in the US case, we call them founders of independance, as they wrote the history. But they were in fact no different than todays militia. No difference what so ever. Just that government is now to big to be heard, but is now in managing the herd. -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 5/23/10 4:18 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/05/2010 12:22 PM, hk wrote: On 5/23/10 1:58 PM, lil abner wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist... That's just more right-wing extremist bull****. Not at all. Those with the power write the books. If Adolph won WW II, we would call him a hero by now. Glad it didn't happen that way but that isn't the point, the point being winners write the history books. One could say the founders of the United States were terrorists against the British. You should by rights, and you mentality be a servant of the queen and British parliament as it was terrorists that set you free from that aristocracy. They were in fact traitors to their British government. Which is also why the founders enshrined the freedom of speach and the rights to arms. But in the US case, we call them founders of independance, as they wrote the history. But they were in fact no different than todays militia. No difference what so ever. Just that government is now to big to be heard, but is now in managing the herd. What the hell are you raving about now? The SPLC is not promoting "socialism," as right-wing lunatic "abner" claimed. You can't possibly be claiming the screwballs in the militia movements or Sarah Palin's husband have anything to to with the pre and Revolutionary freedom fighters. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:20:14 -0400, lil abner wrote:
bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. so people who murder police officers are being faithful to the constitution? is this how the left wing thinks? No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement Officers. yah left wingers generally lie about your members. the murderers were left wingers who hated cops and the constitution My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement Community. left wingers wish t hem dead boy talk about propganda...the right murders cops then blames it on the left.. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 23/05/2010 12:56 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 11:50:50 -0600, wrote: But it is unfortuante that as governemnt goes one way, and the people go the other, more and more such conflicts will occur. It happens any time government gets too big and does not listen to the people because it's own adgenda takes precidence. so canuck is now in favor of cop killing Didn't say that. Just stepping out into a different higher level viewpoint. A step beyond empathy. While you might sucume to we-they good-bad mentality, the truth is any armed conflict of scale has innocent victims. so far it appears the right loves dead guys in blue Not at all. Part of the problem is police are for managing commoners. Not elitists. And if they get in the way, there will be casualties. Case in point, were all south Johny Rebels bad evil doers? I am sure the confederates were tought and motivated to think so but the fact was both sides were just fighting for power and control for their masters. I still think killing a cop was wrong. But given this type of revolt is becoming more prevolent, there is another side to it. A social conflict is inevitable given the economic depression and rampant high level corruption. Take the civil war, often touted as slavery, but the reality was unification. Remember victors write the history books. DC/Lincoln had the power to assert unification of southern states and many good people on both sides died for it. Just like the Boston Tea party and the American revolution... except you hate america Not at all. US old values of integrity, hard work, honor and respect for others have developed the best overall country in the world. Trouble is, decay has set in. Today you can make more stealing, welfare, bailouts, corruption, butt kissing and being in the right party and do better than people who work. A real big social economic problem too. Hopefully it will revese but the lessons of the depression and debt mismanagement by government/banks hasn't been fully taught yet. Too may entitlests, cheap jive talkers, lost values, white collar criminals haven't been dealt with yet. Might take a generation, who knows. I suspect given time, a sufficient amount of time, it will be like Pearl Harbor. Get a good economic ass kicking, and then enough consitutionalists and honorable people back to controling government/banks and the US will once again persevere. Or so I hope for mankind as the US is still a premier country in this world. Just have to loose that liberal win-lose screw the other guy envy/greed of low life mentality. -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 23/05/2010 1:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 23/05/2010 11:15 AM, lil abner wrote: hk wrote: Police killers identified as activists on mission to spread anti-government message By Zack McMillin, Marc Perrusquia Memphis Commercial Appeal In the final moments of their lives, West Memphis Police Department veterans Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans encountered Thursday an old white Plymouth Voyager minivan carrying 16-year-old Joe Kane and his 45-year-old father, Jerry R. Kane -- a man who unbeknownst to them harbored extreme anti-government views. He also had a record of previous trouble with police and a philosophy, which he credited to the Bible, of applying overwhelming violence to "conquer" foes. Increasingly surreal revelations Friday about the Kanes gradually led to a late-evening confirmation by Arkansas State Police that Jerry Kane of Chester, Ohio, and Joe, of unknown residence, were indeed the dead suspects they believe killed Evans and Paudert -- the son of the town's chief of police. The Kanes later wounded Crittenden County Sheriff Dick Busby and Deputy Chief W.A. Wren in the conclusive shootout at Walmart in which father and son were killed. Jerry Kane traveled the country with his son giving seminars on what he called "mortgage fraud" and offering advice on foreclosure strategies. A website promoting those seminars provided a trove of information -- audio files and YouTube videos and links to various documents -- detailing his world views. One particularly chilling YouTube clip involves Kane fielding a question about a "rogue" Internal Revenue Service agent: "Violence doesn't solve anything, OK. It's not violence that we're after. The Bible even tells us that if you're going to go and make war against somebody, you have to kill their sheep and their goats and their chickens and their babies and their wives. OK?" In the YouTube video he said, "You have to kill them all. So what we're after here is not fighting, it's conquering. I don't want to have to kill anybody, but if they keep messing with me, that's what it's going to have to come out. That's what it's going to come down to, is I'm going to have to kill. And if I have to kill one, then I'm not going to be able to stop, I just know it." In that video, he and Joe joke about using a bat to "take care of" a problem with an IRS agent. In an Internet broadcast dated May 6, Jerry Kane talks about New Mexico police arresting him in April at a "Nazi checkpoint where they were demanding papers or jail." A woman identifying herself as Donna Lee, who lives in Clearwater, Fla., told The Commercial Appeal she was the common-law wife of Jerry Kane, and that, looking at news footage, she could identify the minivan, a black dog she called Olie escaping the van after the shootout and, finally, the lifeless body of her stepson, Joe, in front of the minivan. At least one neighbor in Clearwater confirmed the presence of Joe and Jerry there over the past few months, although a background check showed Jerry had lived in central Ohio for much of his life -- in Springfield much of the past two decades. Other relatives confirmed similar details to The Commercial Appeal, including that another dog, named Missy Kate, was also traveling in the van. The West Memphis Animal Shelter confirmed that another dog, which had been killed, had indeed been found. Another friend said the Kanes also traveled with a box of ashes of Jerry's late wife, who was Joe's mother. Lee also said Jerry Kane owned an AK-47 and carried it with him on trips because he liked taking it to shooting ranges. But Lee insisted that Jerry and Joe Kane were doing good work, helping people with financial troubles keep their homes. A memorial website devoted to the Kanes sprang up early Friday expressing similar sentiments and featuring messages from many people clearly holding great affection -- and even admiration -- for father and son. Ohio police records describe Kane as a burly man, 6-foot-2 and 230 pounds, who for a time wore a black beard. Since 1983, Kane was arrested or cited six times in Clark County, Ohio, on charges ranging from passing bad checks to criminal trespass, drunken driving and driving with expired tags. Kane was charged with felonious assault in 2004 after allegedly shooting a 13-year-old boy in Springfield with a "handgun-style BB gun.'' Material on the website promoting Kane's foreclosure-advising business displays classic rhetoric experts say is associated with anti-government groups. Topics discussed on the site include microchips inserted into people's bodies, plots involving the H1N1 vaccine and the contention that U.S. dollars don't constitute real money. "It's a classic Patriot or Sovereign Citizen website,'' said Mark Potok, director of the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center. In that YouTube clip about the "rogue" IRS agent, in which Jerry described his view of the proper use of violence, his son is shown laughing and offering to deal with the agent himself: "If you pay for the bat, I'll take care of the problem." Later, the son describes his view on violence: "They drew first blood. You are self-defending." Jerry Kane asks of the audience: "Can anybody tell that my son has never been to school? ... He slipped though the cracks." Potok said a check of the Southern Poverty center's databases found no mention of Kane, but that he clearly was at least influenced by extreme right-wing organizations. "Without question, Jerry Kane was mouthing some of the core ideas of anti-government, Patriot movement," Potok said. The white van in Thursday's shootout was registered to a New Vienna, Ohio, organization called House of God's Prayer. Potok said a former FBI informant says the building where the church was housed also once served as the headquarters for the Aryan Nations, a white supremacist group. "That was an incredibly violent bunch of people up there,'' Potok said. Lee rejected any suggestion that Jerry and Joe held racist views. She said Jerry Kane tried "to help everyone, it did not matter what their color." Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement Officers. My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement Community. Ditto, they were just good people trying to do a job. But it is unfortuante that as governemnt goes one way, and the people go the other, more and more such conflicts will occur. It happens any time government gets too big and does not listen to the people because it's own adgenda takes precidence. Take the civil war, often touted as slavery, but the reality was unification. Remember victors write the history books. DC/Lincoln had the power to assert unification of southern states and many good people on both sides died for it. Just like the Boston Tea party and the American revolution... -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. You are an idiot. You know nothing about history, except as made up by the likes of Palin/Limbaugh. If you graduated, it is obvious the school was under par. This is basic North American history 101. Maybe you watched too much Hollywood as your primary source of educational food. -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 23/05/2010 12:54 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. so people who murder police officers are being faithful to the constitution? is this how the right wing thinks? No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement Officers. yah you right wingers generally lie about your members. the murderers were right wingers who hated cops and the constitution My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement Community. except that you wish t hem dead Only your ill founded assertion. You can look at an event from different viewpoints without condoning it, provided your brain is functional enough. What of Joe Slack? Ya, I know he went of fthe deap end. Was he, an American "terrorist". Governments perception of terorist is simple, any party or person that does not peacefully accept that governments authority to rule their lives. In fact, the only difference between the mafia and government is the perception of legitimacy. Actually, I am surprised more of this isn't happening. Take Greece, 3 innocent bank employees died as the bank was torched with them inside. That kind of crap didn't happen overnight, it evolved from the economic mismanagment and stupidity of their voting publics. Everyone voted for cheap, easy debt... If voters were more rational in their voting habits, elected the honest and prudent, the country would not have debt-tax-slavery. At 21% VAT sales taxes after income taxes, no wonder they are ****ed. Maybe read us on Red Shirts in Taiwan. Government probably sponsored the assasination of the Red Shirt leader and all he wants is a democratic election. As governments squeeze us into submission their will be kick back, just what is your breaking point? Or are you a matrix slug that doesn't care as long as the drugs are pumped? -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 23/05/2010 1:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"lil abner" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist and since the idiots that did that crime are real extremists, silence opposition as you might me lumped in with their number. Basically, you defended someone who murdered police by claiming that the SPLC identified that person as an extremist. If you want to be labeled as an extremist, feel free to make threats against the police or Obama. I am sure the Secret Service is one branch of the government that Obama is getting right. -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:06:55 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/05/2010 1:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: Basically, you defended someone who murdered police by claiming that the SPLC identified that person as an extremist. If you want to be labeled as an extremist, feel free to make threats against the police or Obama. I am sure the Secret Service is one branch of the government that Obama is getting right. hopefully the CSIS and the RCMP are doing the same on your side of the border to potential cop killers like you |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:03:42 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/05/2010 12:54 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil wrote: My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement Community. except that you wish t hem dead Only your ill founded assertion. what you actually said was that it's a shame the cops died, but that they 'got in the way' (sic) those are your EXACT words You can look at an event from different viewpoints without condoning it, provided your brain is functional enough. i look at it in terms of murder. you're a right winger so a few dead cops? big deal. Maybe read us on Red Shirts in Taiwan. hey asshole...the red shirts are in THAILAND... As governments squeeze us into submission their will be kick back, just what is your breaking point? Or are you a matrix slug that doesn't care as long as the drugs are pumped? the govt does have to do dick they just sit back and let the right wing turn the middle class over to the corporations. conservatism is a learning disability |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 23/05/2010 2:24 PM, hk wrote:
On 5/23/10 4:18 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/05/2010 12:22 PM, hk wrote: On 5/23/10 1:58 PM, lil abner wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist... That's just more right-wing extremist bull****. Not at all. Those with the power write the books. If Adolph won WW II, we would call him a hero by now. Glad it didn't happen that way but that isn't the point, the point being winners write the history books. One could say the founders of the United States were terrorists against the British. You should by rights, and you mentality be a servant of the queen and British parliament as it was terrorists that set you free from that aristocracy. They were in fact traitors to their British government. Which is also why the founders enshrined the freedom of speach and the rights to arms. But in the US case, we call them founders of independance, as they wrote the history. But they were in fact no different than todays militia. No difference what so ever. Just that government is now to big to be heard, but is now in managing the herd. What the hell are you raving about now? The SPLC is not promoting "socialism," as right-wing lunatic "abner" claimed. You can't possibly be claiming the screwballs in the militia movements or Sarah Palin's husband have anything to to with the pre and Revolutionary freedom fighters. Had to look up SPLC, I didn't say anything about the SPLC. Obviously your brain is functional enough to know history is written by those that get the power at the end of the day. There are always at least 2 sides to a coin even if your pea brain can't see it. -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:11:15 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Obviously your brain is functional enough to know history is written by those that get the power at the end of the day. There are always at least 2 sides to a coin even if your pea brain can't see it. canuck's the expert on american society who denied there are religious fundamentalists in texas because, he said, no one could be a fundamentalist. kind of like his paranoid delusions about liberals |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 5/23/10 6:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/05/2010 2:24 PM, hk wrote: On 5/23/10 4:18 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/05/2010 12:22 PM, hk wrote: On 5/23/10 1:58 PM, lil abner wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist... That's just more right-wing extremist bull****. Not at all. Those with the power write the books. If Adolph won WW II, we would call him a hero by now. Glad it didn't happen that way but that isn't the point, the point being winners write the history books. One could say the founders of the United States were terrorists against the British. You should by rights, and you mentality be a servant of the queen and British parliament as it was terrorists that set you free from that aristocracy. They were in fact traitors to their British government. Which is also why the founders enshrined the freedom of speach and the rights to arms. But in the US case, we call them founders of independance, as they wrote the history. But they were in fact no different than todays militia. No difference what so ever. Just that government is now to big to be heard, but is now in managing the herd. What the hell are you raving about now? The SPLC is not promoting "socialism," as right-wing lunatic "abner" claimed. You can't possibly be claiming the screwballs in the militia movements or Sarah Palin's husband have anything to to with the pre and Revolutionary freedom fighters. Had to look up SPLC, I didn't say anything about the SPLC. Obviously your brain is functional enough to know history is written by those that get the power at the end of the day. There are always at least 2 sides to a coin even if your pea brain can't see it. Abner's post was about the SPLC, and you commented on my comment that his claim of socialism was bull****. Maybe your brain has become more dysfunctional. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
nom=de=plume wrote:
"lil abner" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist and since the idiots that did that crime are real extremists, silence opposition as you might me lumped in with their number. Basically, you defended someone who murdered police by claiming that the SPLC identified that person as an extremist. If you want to be labeled as an extremist, feel free to make threats against the police or Obama. N one defended those jerks. You are doing exactly as the People in the Article are doing: trying to brand everyone that isn't in lock step with your agenda as an extremist and trying to link them to real extremists. That is despicable. Trying to say I or anyone approves, of such atrocities is despicable but typical of left wing extremists. There isn't anyone that approves of that trash. End of this nonsense. So far your the only extremist here. Are you working for some crazy left wing or even right wingers? |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:24:18 -0400, hk
wrote: On 5/23/10 4:18 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/05/2010 12:22 PM, hk wrote: On 5/23/10 1:58 PM, lil abner wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist... That's just more right-wing extremist bull****. Not at all. Those with the power write the books. If Adolph won WW II, we would call him a hero by now. Glad it didn't happen that way but that isn't the point, the point being winners write the history books. One could say the founders of the United States were terrorists against the British. You should by rights, and you mentality be a servant of the queen and British parliament as it was terrorists that set you free from that aristocracy. They were in fact traitors to their British government. Which is also why the founders enshrined the freedom of speach and the rights to arms. But in the US case, we call them founders of independance, as they wrote the history. But they were in fact no different than todays militia. No difference what so ever. Just that government is now to big to be heard, but is now in managing the herd. What the hell are you raving about now? The SPLC is not promoting "socialism," as right-wing lunatic "abner" claimed. You can't possibly be claiming the screwballs in the militia movements or Sarah Palin's husband have anything to to with the pre and Revolutionary freedom fighters. SPLC tracks hate groups and stands up for those who'd be trampled without a voice. The very definition of socialism. Where do these brainless boobs get their information? |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On Sun, 23 May 2010 18:18:39 -0400, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:11:15 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Obviously your brain is functional enough to know history is written by those that get the power at the end of the day. There are always at least 2 sides to a coin even if your pea brain can't see it. canuck's the expert on american society who denied there are religious fundamentalists in texas because, he said, no one could be a fundamentalist. kind of like his paranoid delusions about liberals Texas has experts who specialize in bending reality to fit their agenda. Texas textbook committee is a prime example. They're trying to cut out the liberals from history and insert Newt Gingrich as the saviour of mankind. I hope whatever textbook manufacturers end up taking Texas' lead are handed their asses by those who compete with them and those who purchase those materials. Texas, only LA, MS, GA, SC and FL have produced more ignorant assholes by percentage. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On Sun, 23 May 2010 22:37:55 -0400, lil abner wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: Basically, you defended someone who murdered police by claiming that the SPLC identified that person as an extremist. If you want to be labeled as an extremist, feel free to make threats against the police or Obama. N one defended those jerks. canuck did. he said that cops 'get in the way' so should be eliminated. he's a typical right winger. they think cops should be used exclusively for border control and breaking strikes Trying to say I or anyone approves, of such atrocities is despicable but typical of left wing extremists. except it's the right that's killing cops |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 23/05/2010 12:22 PM, hk wrote: On 5/23/10 1:58 PM, lil abner wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist... That's just more right-wing extremist bull****. Not at all. Those with the power write the books. If Adolph won WW II, we would call him a hero by now. Glad it didn't happen that way but that isn't the point, the point being winners write the history books. One could say the founders of the United States were terrorists against the British. You should by rights, and you mentality be a servant of the queen and British parliament as it was terrorists that set you free from that aristocracy. They were in fact traitors to their British government. Which is also why the founders enshrined the freedom of speach and the rights to arms. But in the US case, we call them founders of independance, as they wrote the history. But they were in fact no different than todays militia. No difference what so ever. Just that government is now to big to be heard, but is now in managing the herd. -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. You are a true-blooded idiot. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 23/05/2010 1:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "lil abner" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist and since the idiots that did that crime are real extremists, silence opposition as you might me lumped in with their number. Basically, you defended someone who murdered police by claiming that the SPLC identified that person as an extremist. If you want to be labeled as an extremist, feel free to make threats against the police or Obama. I am sure the Secret Service is one branch of the government that Obama is getting right. -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. Because of wackjobs like yourself who want to kill him. Fortunately, you can't do any harm, since you can't get into the country. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 23/05/2010 1:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 23/05/2010 11:15 AM, lil abner wrote: hk wrote: Police killers identified as activists on mission to spread anti-government message By Zack McMillin, Marc Perrusquia Memphis Commercial Appeal In the final moments of their lives, West Memphis Police Department veterans Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans encountered Thursday an old white Plymouth Voyager minivan carrying 16-year-old Joe Kane and his 45-year-old father, Jerry R. Kane -- a man who unbeknownst to them harbored extreme anti-government views. He also had a record of previous trouble with police and a philosophy, which he credited to the Bible, of applying overwhelming violence to "conquer" foes. Increasingly surreal revelations Friday about the Kanes gradually led to a late-evening confirmation by Arkansas State Police that Jerry Kane of Chester, Ohio, and Joe, of unknown residence, were indeed the dead suspects they believe killed Evans and Paudert -- the son of the town's chief of police. The Kanes later wounded Crittenden County Sheriff Dick Busby and Deputy Chief W.A. Wren in the conclusive shootout at Walmart in which father and son were killed. Jerry Kane traveled the country with his son giving seminars on what he called "mortgage fraud" and offering advice on foreclosure strategies. A website promoting those seminars provided a trove of information -- audio files and YouTube videos and links to various documents -- detailing his world views. One particularly chilling YouTube clip involves Kane fielding a question about a "rogue" Internal Revenue Service agent: "Violence doesn't solve anything, OK. It's not violence that we're after. The Bible even tells us that if you're going to go and make war against somebody, you have to kill their sheep and their goats and their chickens and their babies and their wives. OK?" In the YouTube video he said, "You have to kill them all. So what we're after here is not fighting, it's conquering. I don't want to have to kill anybody, but if they keep messing with me, that's what it's going to have to come out. That's what it's going to come down to, is I'm going to have to kill. And if I have to kill one, then I'm not going to be able to stop, I just know it." In that video, he and Joe joke about using a bat to "take care of" a problem with an IRS agent. In an Internet broadcast dated May 6, Jerry Kane talks about New Mexico police arresting him in April at a "Nazi checkpoint where they were demanding papers or jail." A woman identifying herself as Donna Lee, who lives in Clearwater, Fla., told The Commercial Appeal she was the common-law wife of Jerry Kane, and that, looking at news footage, she could identify the minivan, a black dog she called Olie escaping the van after the shootout and, finally, the lifeless body of her stepson, Joe, in front of the minivan. At least one neighbor in Clearwater confirmed the presence of Joe and Jerry there over the past few months, although a background check showed Jerry had lived in central Ohio for much of his life -- in Springfield much of the past two decades. Other relatives confirmed similar details to The Commercial Appeal, including that another dog, named Missy Kate, was also traveling in the van. The West Memphis Animal Shelter confirmed that another dog, which had been killed, had indeed been found. Another friend said the Kanes also traveled with a box of ashes of Jerry's late wife, who was Joe's mother. Lee also said Jerry Kane owned an AK-47 and carried it with him on trips because he liked taking it to shooting ranges. But Lee insisted that Jerry and Joe Kane were doing good work, helping people with financial troubles keep their homes. A memorial website devoted to the Kanes sprang up early Friday expressing similar sentiments and featuring messages from many people clearly holding great affection -- and even admiration -- for father and son. Ohio police records describe Kane as a burly man, 6-foot-2 and 230 pounds, who for a time wore a black beard. Since 1983, Kane was arrested or cited six times in Clark County, Ohio, on charges ranging from passing bad checks to criminal trespass, drunken driving and driving with expired tags. Kane was charged with felonious assault in 2004 after allegedly shooting a 13-year-old boy in Springfield with a "handgun-style BB gun.'' Material on the website promoting Kane's foreclosure-advising business displays classic rhetoric experts say is associated with anti-government groups. Topics discussed on the site include microchips inserted into people's bodies, plots involving the H1N1 vaccine and the contention that U.S. dollars don't constitute real money. "It's a classic Patriot or Sovereign Citizen website,'' said Mark Potok, director of the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center. In that YouTube clip about the "rogue" IRS agent, in which Jerry described his view of the proper use of violence, his son is shown laughing and offering to deal with the agent himself: "If you pay for the bat, I'll take care of the problem." Later, the son describes his view on violence: "They drew first blood. You are self-defending." Jerry Kane asks of the audience: "Can anybody tell that my son has never been to school? ... He slipped though the cracks." Potok said a check of the Southern Poverty center's databases found no mention of Kane, but that he clearly was at least influenced by extreme right-wing organizations. "Without question, Jerry Kane was mouthing some of the core ideas of anti-government, Patriot movement," Potok said. The white van in Thursday's shootout was registered to a New Vienna, Ohio, organization called House of God's Prayer. Potok said a former FBI informant says the building where the church was housed also once served as the headquarters for the Aryan Nations, a white supremacist group. "That was an incredibly violent bunch of people up there,'' Potok said. Lee rejected any suggestion that Jerry and Joe held racist views. She said Jerry Kane tried "to help everyone, it did not matter what their color." Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement Officers. My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement Community. Ditto, they were just good people trying to do a job. But it is unfortuante that as governemnt goes one way, and the people go the other, more and more such conflicts will occur. It happens any time government gets too big and does not listen to the people because it's own adgenda takes precidence. Take the civil war, often touted as slavery, but the reality was unification. Remember victors write the history books. DC/Lincoln had the power to assert unification of southern states and many good people on both sides died for it. Just like the Boston Tea party and the American revolution... -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. You are an idiot. You know nothing about history, except as made up by the likes of Palin/Limbaugh. If you graduated, it is obvious the school was under par. This is basic North American history 101. Maybe you watched too much Hollywood as your primary source of educational food. -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. Whereas, your primary source of educational food is your Rush/Beck/Palin addition. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 24/05/2010 4:08 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 22:37:55 -0400, lil wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: Basically, you defended someone who murdered police by claiming that the SPLC identified that person as an extremist. If you want to be labeled as an extremist, feel free to make threats against the police or Obama. N one defended those jerks. canuck did. he said that cops 'get in the way' so should be eliminated. he's a typical right winger. they think cops should be used exclusively for border control and breaking strikes I see you found your drugs, the illegal ones. -- Liberal diseases of debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 5/24/2010 3:17 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
Whereas, your primary source of educational food is your Rush/Beck/Palin addition. I have to ask. What the F... are you talking about? |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 5/24/2010 3:15 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
You are a true-blooded idiot. You're repeating yourself |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
"moose" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2010 3:15 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: You are a true-blooded idiot. You're repeating yourself You're a perfect example of an idiot. I'm just trying to help you out by repeating it. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
"moose" wrote in message ... On 5/24/2010 3:17 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: Whereas, your primary source of educational food is your Rush/Beck/Palin addition. I have to ask. What the F... are you talking about? Yes, you have no idea. I'm certain of it. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 5/24/2010 3:16 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
Because of wackjobs like yourself who want to kill him. Fortunately, you can't do any harm, since you can't get into the country. I'll bet you would retract that statement if you could. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 24/05/2010 1:40 PM, moose wrote:
On 5/24/2010 3:15 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: You are a true-blooded idiot. You're repeating yourself Just like a parrot. That is all de-fumer is good for. Too much rank FDS and repeat. -- Liberal diseases of debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. |
Right-wing activists kill police in Memphis area
On 24/05/2010 1:16 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On 23/05/2010 1:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "lil wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil wrote: Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the Extremists. Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon. Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary execution of police officers. No I do not. I in no way said such a thing. I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an extremist and since the idiots that did that crime are real extremists, silence opposition as you might me lumped in with their number. Basically, you defended someone who murdered police by claiming that the SPLC identified that person as an extremist. If you want to be labeled as an extremist, feel free to make threats against the police or Obama. I am sure the Secret Service is one branch of the government that Obama is getting right. -- Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. Because of wackjobs like yourself who want to kill him. Fortunately, you can't do any harm, since you can't get into the country. Obama is his own worst enemy. Does not need my help. -- Liberal diseases of debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth. |
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