bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote:


Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to
label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the
Extremists.

so people who murder police officers are being faithful to the
constitution?

is this how the left wing thinks?

No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement Officers.

yah left wingers generally lie about your members. the murderers
were left wingers who hated cops and the constitution

My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement
Community.

left wingers wish t hem dead

"lil abner" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote:

Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to
label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the
Extremists.

Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon.

Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary
execution of police officers.

No I do not. I in no way said such a thing.
I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to
label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an
extremist and since the idiots that did that crime are real extremists,
silence opposition as you might me lumped in with their number.

Basically, you defended someone who murdered police by claiming that the
SPLC identified that person as an extremist.

If you want to be labeled as an extremist, feel free to make threats against
the police or Obama.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 23/05/2010 11:15 AM, lil abner wrote:
hk wrote:

Police killers identified as activists on mission
to spread anti-government message

By Zack McMillin, Marc Perrusquia
Memphis Commercial Appeal





In the final moments of their lives, West Memphis Police Department
veterans Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans encountered Thursday an old
white Plymouth Voyager minivan carrying 16-year-old Joe Kane and his
45-year-old father, Jerry R. Kane -- a man who unbeknownst to them
harbored extreme anti-government views. He also had a record of
previous trouble with police and a philosophy, which he credited to
the Bible, of applying overwhelming violence to "conquer" foes.

Increasingly surreal revelations Friday about the Kanes gradually led
to a late-evening confirmation by Arkansas State Police that Jerry
Kane of Chester, Ohio, and Joe, of unknown residence, were indeed the
dead suspects they believe killed Evans and Paudert -- the son of the
town's chief of police.

The Kanes later wounded Crittenden County Sheriff Dick Busby and
Deputy Chief W.A. Wren in the conclusive shootout at Walmart in which
father and son were killed.

Jerry Kane traveled the country with his son giving seminars on what
he called "mortgage fraud" and offering advice on foreclosure
strategies. A website promoting those seminars provided a trove of
information -- audio files and YouTube videos and links to various
documents -- detailing his world views.

One particularly chilling YouTube clip involves Kane fielding a
question about a "rogue" Internal Revenue Service agent: "Violence
doesn't solve anything, OK. It's not violence that we're after. The
Bible even tells us that if you're going to go and make war against
somebody, you have to kill their sheep and their goats and their
chickens and their babies and their wives. OK?"

In the YouTube video he said, "You have to kill them all. So what
we're after here is not fighting, it's conquering. I don't want to
have to kill anybody, but if they keep messing with me, that's what
it's going to have to come out. That's what it's going to come down
to, is I'm going to have to kill. And if I have to kill one, then I'm
not going to be able to stop, I just know it."

In that video, he and Joe joke about using a bat to "take care of" a
problem with an IRS agent.

In an Internet broadcast dated May 6, Jerry Kane talks about New
Mexico police arresting him in April at a "Nazi checkpoint where they
were demanding papers or jail."

A woman identifying herself as Donna Lee, who lives in Clearwater,
Fla., told The Commercial Appeal she was the common-law wife of Jerry
Kane, and that, looking at news footage, she could identify the
minivan, a black dog she called Olie escaping the van after the
shootout and, finally, the lifeless body of her stepson, Joe, in front
of the minivan.

At least one neighbor in Clearwater confirmed the presence of Joe and
Jerry there over the past few months, although a background check
showed Jerry had lived in central Ohio for much of his life -- in
Springfield much of the past two decades.

Other relatives confirmed similar details to The Commercial Appeal,
including that another dog, named Missy Kate, was also traveling in
the van. The West Memphis Animal Shelter confirmed that another dog,
which had been killed, had indeed been found.

Another friend said the Kanes also traveled with a box of ashes of
Jerry's late wife, who was Joe's mother. Lee also said Jerry Kane
owned an AK-47 and carried it with him on trips because he liked
taking it to shooting ranges.

But Lee insisted that Jerry and Joe Kane were doing good work, helping
people with financial troubles keep their homes. A memorial website
devoted to the Kanes sprang up early Friday expressing similar
sentiments and featuring messages from many people clearly holding
great affection -- and even admiration -- for father and son.

Ohio police records describe Kane as a burly man, 6-foot-2 and 230
pounds, who for a time wore a black beard. Since 1983, Kane was
arrested or cited six times in Clark County, Ohio, on charges ranging
from passing bad checks to criminal trespass, drunken driving and
driving with expired tags.

Kane was charged with felonious assault in 2004 after allegedly
shooting a 13-year-old boy in Springfield with a "handgun-style BB
gun.''

Material on the website promoting Kane's foreclosure-advising business
displays classic rhetoric experts say is associated with
anti-government groups. Topics discussed on the site include
microchips inserted into people's bodies, plots involving the H1N1
vaccine and the contention that U.S. dollars don't constitute real
money.

"It's a classic Patriot or Sovereign Citizen website,'' said Mark
Potok, director of the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center.

In that YouTube clip about the "rogue" IRS agent, in which Jerry
described his view of the proper use of violence, his son is shown
laughing and offering to deal with the agent himself: "If you pay for
the bat, I'll take care of the problem." Later, the son describes his
view on violence: "They drew first blood. You are self-defending."

Jerry Kane asks of the audience: "Can anybody tell that my son has
never been to school? ... He slipped though the cracks."

Potok said a check of the Southern Poverty center's databases found no
mention of Kane, but that he clearly was at least influenced by
extreme right-wing organizations. "Without question, Jerry Kane was
mouthing some of the core ideas of anti-government, Patriot movement,"
Potok said.

The white van in Thursday's shootout was registered to a New Vienna,
Ohio, organization called House of God's Prayer. Potok said a former
FBI informant says the building where the church was housed also once
served as the headquarters for the Aryan Nations, a white supremacist
group. "That was an incredibly violent bunch of people up there,''
Potok said.

Lee rejected any suggestion that Jerry and Joe held racist views. She
said Jerry Kane tried "to help everyone, it did not matter what their
color."

Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to
label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the
Extremists.

No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement Officers.
My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement
Community.

Ditto, they were just good people trying to do a job.

But it is unfortuante that as governemnt goes one way, and the people go
the other, more and more such conflicts will occur. It happens any time
government gets too big and does not listen to the people because it's own
adgenda takes precidence.

Take the civil war, often touted as slavery, but the reality was
unification. Remember victors write the history books. DC/Lincoln had
the power to assert unification of southern states and many good people on
both sides died for it.

Just like the Boston Tea party and the American revolution...
--
Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth.

You are an idiot. You know nothing about history, except as made up by the
likes of Palin/Limbaugh.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On 23/05/2010 12:22 PM, hk wrote:
On 5/23/10 1:58 PM, lil abner wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote:

Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists
want to
label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the
Extremists.

Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon.

Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary
execution of police officers.

No I do not. I in no way said such a thing.
I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to
label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an
extremist...

That's just more right-wing extremist bull****.

Not at all. Those with the power write the books. If Adolph won WW II,
we would call him a hero by now. Glad it didn't happen that way but
that isn't the point, the point being winners write the history books.

One could say the founders of the United States were terrorists against
the British. You should by rights, and you mentality be a servant of
the queen and British parliament as it was terrorists that set you free
from that aristocracy. They were in fact traitors to their British
government. Which is also why the founders enshrined the freedom of
speach and the rights to arms.

But in the US case, we call them founders of independance, as they wrote
the history. But they were in fact no different than todays militia.
No difference what so ever.

Just that government is now to big to be heard, but is now in managing
the herd.

--
Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth.

On 5/23/10 4:18 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/05/2010 12:22 PM, hk wrote:
On 5/23/10 1:58 PM, lil abner wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote:

Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists
want to
label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the
Extremists.

Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon.

Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary
execution of police officers.

No I do not. I in no way said such a thing.
I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to
label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an
extremist...

That's just more right-wing extremist bull****.

Not at all. Those with the power write the books. If Adolph won WW II,
we would call him a hero by now. Glad it didn't happen that way but that
isn't the point, the point being winners write the history books.

One could say the founders of the United States were terrorists against
the British. You should by rights, and you mentality be a servant of the
queen and British parliament as it was terrorists that set you free from
that aristocracy. They were in fact traitors to their British
government. Which is also why the founders enshrined the freedom of
speach and the rights to arms.

But in the US case, we call them founders of independance, as they wrote
the history. But they were in fact no different than todays militia. No
difference what so ever.

Just that government is now to big to be heard, but is now in managing
the herd.



What the hell are you raving about now? The SPLC is not promoting
"socialism," as right-wing lunatic "abner" claimed. You can't possibly
be claiming the screwballs in the militia movements or Sarah Palin's
husband have anything to to with the pre and Revolutionary freedom fighters.



--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:20:14 -0400, lil abner wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote:


Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to
label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the
Extremists.

so people who murder police officers are being faithful to the
constitution?

is this how the left wing thinks?

No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement Officers.

yah left wingers generally lie about your members. the murderers
were left wingers who hated cops and the constitution

My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement
Community.

left wingers wish t hem dead


boy talk about propganda...the right murders cops

then blames it on the left..

On 23/05/2010 12:56 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 11:50:50 -0600,
wrote:



But it is unfortuante that as governemnt goes one way, and the people go
the other, more and more such conflicts will occur. It happens any time
government gets too big and does not listen to the people because it's
own adgenda takes precidence.

so canuck is now in favor of cop killing

Didn't say that. Just stepping out into a different higher level
viewpoint. A step beyond empathy.

While you might sucume to we-they good-bad mentality, the truth is any
armed conflict of scale has innocent victims.

so far it appears the right loves dead guys in blue

Not at all. Part of the problem is police are for managing commoners.
Not elitists. And if they get in the way, there will be casualties.

Case in point, were all south Johny Rebels bad evil doers? I am sure
the confederates were tought and motivated to think so but the fact was
both sides were just fighting for power and control for their masters.

I still think killing a cop was wrong. But given this type of revolt is
becoming more prevolent, there is another side to it. A social conflict
is inevitable given the economic depression and rampant high level
corruption.

Take the civil war, often touted as slavery, but the reality was
unification. Remember victors write the history books. DC/Lincoln had
the power to assert unification of southern states and many good people
on both sides died for it.

Just like the Boston Tea party and the American revolution...

except you hate america

Not at all. US old values of integrity, hard work, honor and respect
for others have developed the best overall country in the world.
Trouble is, decay has set in.

Today you can make more stealing, welfare, bailouts, corruption, butt
kissing and being in the right party and do better than people who work.
A real big social economic problem too.

Hopefully it will revese but the lessons of the depression and debt
mismanagement by government/banks hasn't been fully taught yet. Too may
entitlests, cheap jive talkers, lost values, white collar criminals
haven't been dealt with yet. Might take a generation, who knows.

I suspect given time, a sufficient amount of time, it will be like Pearl
Harbor. Get a good economic ass kicking, and then enough
consitutionalists and honorable people back to controling
government/banks and the US will once again persevere. Or so I hope for
mankind as the US is still a premier country in this world.

Just have to loose that liberal win-lose screw the other guy envy/greed
of low life mentality.

--
Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth.

On 23/05/2010 1:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 23/05/2010 11:15 AM, lil abner wrote:
hk wrote:

Police killers identified as activists on mission
to spread anti-government message

By Zack McMillin, Marc Perrusquia
Memphis Commercial Appeal





In the final moments of their lives, West Memphis Police Department
veterans Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans encountered Thursday an old
white Plymouth Voyager minivan carrying 16-year-old Joe Kane and his
45-year-old father, Jerry R. Kane -- a man who unbeknownst to them
harbored extreme anti-government views. He also had a record of
previous trouble with police and a philosophy, which he credited to
the Bible, of applying overwhelming violence to "conquer" foes.

Increasingly surreal revelations Friday about the Kanes gradually led
to a late-evening confirmation by Arkansas State Police that Jerry
Kane of Chester, Ohio, and Joe, of unknown residence, were indeed the
dead suspects they believe killed Evans and Paudert -- the son of the
town's chief of police.

The Kanes later wounded Crittenden County Sheriff Dick Busby and
Deputy Chief W.A. Wren in the conclusive shootout at Walmart in which
father and son were killed.

Jerry Kane traveled the country with his son giving seminars on what
he called "mortgage fraud" and offering advice on foreclosure
strategies. A website promoting those seminars provided a trove of
information -- audio files and YouTube videos and links to various
documents -- detailing his world views.

One particularly chilling YouTube clip involves Kane fielding a
question about a "rogue" Internal Revenue Service agent: "Violence
doesn't solve anything, OK. It's not violence that we're after. The
Bible even tells us that if you're going to go and make war against
somebody, you have to kill their sheep and their goats and their
chickens and their babies and their wives. OK?"

In the YouTube video he said, "You have to kill them all. So what
we're after here is not fighting, it's conquering. I don't want to
have to kill anybody, but if they keep messing with me, that's what
it's going to have to come out. That's what it's going to come down
to, is I'm going to have to kill. And if I have to kill one, then I'm
not going to be able to stop, I just know it."

In that video, he and Joe joke about using a bat to "take care of" a
problem with an IRS agent.

In an Internet broadcast dated May 6, Jerry Kane talks about New
Mexico police arresting him in April at a "Nazi checkpoint where they
were demanding papers or jail."

A woman identifying herself as Donna Lee, who lives in Clearwater,
Fla., told The Commercial Appeal she was the common-law wife of Jerry
Kane, and that, looking at news footage, she could identify the
minivan, a black dog she called Olie escaping the van after the
shootout and, finally, the lifeless body of her stepson, Joe, in front
of the minivan.

At least one neighbor in Clearwater confirmed the presence of Joe and
Jerry there over the past few months, although a background check
showed Jerry had lived in central Ohio for much of his life -- in
Springfield much of the past two decades.

Other relatives confirmed similar details to The Commercial Appeal,
including that another dog, named Missy Kate, was also traveling in
the van. The West Memphis Animal Shelter confirmed that another dog,
which had been killed, had indeed been found.

Another friend said the Kanes also traveled with a box of ashes of
Jerry's late wife, who was Joe's mother. Lee also said Jerry Kane
owned an AK-47 and carried it with him on trips because he liked
taking it to shooting ranges.

But Lee insisted that Jerry and Joe Kane were doing good work, helping
people with financial troubles keep their homes. A memorial website
devoted to the Kanes sprang up early Friday expressing similar
sentiments and featuring messages from many people clearly holding
great affection -- and even admiration -- for father and son.

Ohio police records describe Kane as a burly man, 6-foot-2 and 230
pounds, who for a time wore a black beard. Since 1983, Kane was
arrested or cited six times in Clark County, Ohio, on charges ranging
from passing bad checks to criminal trespass, drunken driving and
driving with expired tags.

Kane was charged with felonious assault in 2004 after allegedly
shooting a 13-year-old boy in Springfield with a "handgun-style BB
gun.''

Material on the website promoting Kane's foreclosure-advising business
displays classic rhetoric experts say is associated with
anti-government groups. Topics discussed on the site include
microchips inserted into people's bodies, plots involving the H1N1
vaccine and the contention that U.S. dollars don't constitute real
money.

"It's a classic Patriot or Sovereign Citizen website,'' said Mark
Potok, director of the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center.

In that YouTube clip about the "rogue" IRS agent, in which Jerry
described his view of the proper use of violence, his son is shown
laughing and offering to deal with the agent himself: "If you pay for
the bat, I'll take care of the problem." Later, the son describes his
view on violence: "They drew first blood. You are self-defending."

Jerry Kane asks of the audience: "Can anybody tell that my son has
never been to school? ... He slipped though the cracks."

Potok said a check of the Southern Poverty center's databases found no
mention of Kane, but that he clearly was at least influenced by
extreme right-wing organizations. "Without question, Jerry Kane was
mouthing some of the core ideas of anti-government, Patriot movement,"
Potok said.

The white van in Thursday's shootout was registered to a New Vienna,
Ohio, organization called House of God's Prayer. Potok said a former
FBI informant says the building where the church was housed also once
served as the headquarters for the Aryan Nations, a white supremacist
group. "That was an incredibly violent bunch of people up there,''
Potok said.

Lee rejected any suggestion that Jerry and Joe held racist views. She
said Jerry Kane tried "to help everyone, it did not matter what their
color."

Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to
label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the
Extremists.

No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement
Officers.
My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement
Community.

Ditto, they were just good people trying to do a job.

But it is unfortuante that as governemnt goes one way, and the people
go the other, more and more such conflicts will occur. It happens any
time government gets too big and does not listen to the people because
it's own adgenda takes precidence.

Take the civil war, often touted as slavery, but the reality was
unification. Remember victors write the history books. DC/Lincoln had
the power to assert unification of southern states and many good
people on both sides died for it.

Just like the Boston Tea party and the American revolution...
--
Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth.

You are an idiot. You know nothing about history, except as made up by
the likes of Palin/Limbaugh.

If you graduated, it is obvious the school was under par. This is basic
North American history 101. Maybe you watched too much Hollywood as
your primary source of educational food.

--
Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth.

On 23/05/2010 12:54 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil wrote:


Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists want to
label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the
Extremists.

so people who murder police officers are being faithful to the
constitution?

is this how the right wing thinks?

No idea who the nut jobs were that murdered the Law Enforcement Officers.

yah you right wingers generally lie about your members. the murderers
were right wingers who hated cops and the constitution

My heart goes out to the Officers' Families and the Law Enforcement
Community.

except that you wish t hem dead

Only your ill founded assertion. You can look at an event from
different viewpoints without condoning it, provided your brain is
functional enough.

What of Joe Slack? Ya, I know he went of fthe deap end. Was he, an
American "terrorist". Governments perception of terorist is simple, any
party or person that does not peacefully accept that governments
authority to rule their lives.

In fact, the only difference between the mafia and government is the
perception of legitimacy.

Actually, I am surprised more of this isn't happening. Take Greece, 3
innocent bank employees died as the bank was torched with them inside.
That kind of crap didn't happen overnight, it evolved from the economic
mismanagment and stupidity of their voting publics. Everyone voted for
cheap, easy debt... If voters were more rational in their voting habits,
elected the honest and prudent, the country would not have
debt-tax-slavery. At 21% VAT sales taxes after income taxes, no wonder
they are ****ed.

Maybe read us on Red Shirts in Taiwan. Government probably sponsored
the assasination of the Red Shirt leader and all he wants is a
democratic election.

As governments squeeze us into submission their will be kick back, just
what is your breaking point? Or are you a matrix slug that doesn't care
as long as the drugs are pumped?

--
Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth.

On 23/05/2010 1:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"lil abner" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 May 2010 13:15:08 -0400, lil abner wrote:

Once again the Southern Poverty Law Center and other extremists
want to
label anyone that is faithful to the Constiution and Republic as the
Extremists.

Congrats. You just labeled yourself as a loon.

Actually, he just labeled himself as someone who supports the summary
execution of police officers.

No I do not. I in no way said such a thing.
I merely pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center etc seeks to
label anyone that might be in any way opposing their socialism is an
extremist and since the idiots that did that crime are real
extremists, silence opposition as you might me lumped in with their
number.

Basically, you defended someone who murdered police by claiming that the
SPLC identified that person as an extremist.

If you want to be labeled as an extremist, feel free to make threats
against the police or Obama.

I am sure the Secret Service is one branch of the government that Obama
is getting right.

--
Liberal debt, entitlement, envy and greed do not create wealth.