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On 09/05/2010 11:02 AM, Jim wrote: BAR wrote: In article , says... Fairly competent resources are available off-shore for 1/4 to 1/3 the cost of US resources without all of the bagage of hiring a US resource. In fact you can hire 2 for 1 US worker and not still be ahead if the productivity is only 50% each. Correction "2 for 1 US worker and still be ahead" Plain stupid thinking. Those working will have to support those not working. Or get their throats cut. Is that what you mean by "a head?" You sound like a commie. In America we want everybody working. Your "foreigner first" attitude don't fly. That is why it is a depression. Fewer people supporting the increasing dead weight and more corruption too. A loose-loose situation. Why even get involved? You would have to be nuts to open a new business in the US/Canada that could be done offshore where win-win is possible. That'll work for misfits who don't fit into normal society, and don't care about making it better by getting people working. Is that what you mean? Jim - The end result of Libertarianism is Communism. The Libertarian leadership become the apparatchiks. These closet commies ain't fooling anybody. That's why they never get anywhere in America. They don't have American values. They're commie faggots. The GOP knows this. Even the queer Demoncrats know it. Huh? Libertarianism is about less government, less interferance, more choices and opportunities for the people will to get off their asses, state owns squat. How does that equate with communism? It's about power. Got nothing to do with "government." It's always about power. Libertarians problem with interference is they don't want anybody interfering with them interfering with others. Same as the commies. You don't get it, do you? Jim - Hard to believe how some folks just don't get it. |
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BAR wrote:
In article , says... BAR wrote: In article , says... Fairly competent resources are available off-shore for 1/4 to 1/3 the cost of US resources without all of the bagage of hiring a US resource. In fact you can hire 2 for 1 US worker and not still be ahead if the productivity is only 50% each. Correction "2 for 1 US worker and still be ahead" Plain stupid thinking. Those working will have to support those not working. Or get their throats cut. Is that what you mean by "a head?" You sound like a commie. In America we want everybody working. Your "foreigner first" attitude don't fly. It is called business. And, the decisions are made to keep the stock price of US based corporations rising to make them attractive to the large institutional investors (i.e. pension funds). Government worker pension funds? California teachers and prison guards and all them other generous union pension funds driving many states into bankruptcy? So that's what you're doing. Par for the commie course. Like I said, those working *will* pay to support those without jobs. That's how society works, and always has. Alway gets down to keeping people working for an income, or getting paid by those who are working. Otherwise there's revolution and throat-slashing. Might be happening in Greece right now. If I am lucky enough to get 75% out of the two off-shore resources for 2/3'rds the cost of a single on-shore resource then I am way ahead of the game. By duty is to the share holders, not the government. All that's just fine and dandy until a real American cuts your throat. You sound just like a commie. Ideology over patriotism. You gonna tell a vet returning from fighting to keep you safe, "**** you, I'm hiring a foreigner?" You better not talk like that around real Americans. Save it for buttering up the foreigners, commie. If I had the ability to abolish entitlements at the federal level I would do it tomorrow. There is no reason that the federal government should be passing out social security checks, paying for medical benefits or other entitlements. The only thing you are entitled to do in life is to die, everything else is optional. Right, but keep the foreigners happy. That's why commies like you never get lasting power here in America. You'd sell out everybody here to China for a buck. Either you're a flash in the pan or America is dead. I'm betting on America. Jim - The end result of Libertarianism is Communism. The Libertarian leadership become the apparatchiks. These closet commies ain't fooling anybody. That's why they never get anywhere in America. They don't have American values. They're commie faggots. The GOP knows this. Even the queer Demoncrats know it. Libertarians arguments fall apart as soon as they step off of their property. Same goes for business when they step on American necks. But you have to be an American to understand that. Looks like you don't qualify, you preferring foreigners and all. Jim - You got your Dem commies, and your business commies. Pick your poison. Either one of the faggots will dig your grave. They're good for that. But America will prevail. |
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On Sun, 09 May 2010 11:29:00 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 09/05/2010 10:28 AM, bpuharic wrote: guess he doesn't pay attention to the news. the economy created over 200K jobs last month...the most since 2006 So Obama looses even more jobs than were created, and those created were low wage jobs often without benefits. LMAO, I can't believe you are this stupid, but don't doubt it. ROFLMAO!! first you say NO jobs are created THEN you bitch about the ones that ARE created!! typical right wing goal post moving. and i guess you dont know we were in a depression. no doubt you're in denial. the right wing ideology has collapsed denial is all you have left Lets look at the data: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm Unemployment went from 9.7 to 9.9. Funny how even the adjusted BS number goes up and you and Obama imply it went down. ROFLMAO!!! i TOLD YOU OVER A MONTH AGO THIS WILL HAPPEN!! you're just too STUPID to know why! every economist in the WORLD except the right KNEW unemployment would INCREASE...yes INCREASE INCREASE INCREASE when the depressoin ends why? BECAUSE PEOPLE START LOOKING FOR JOBS!! yes, that's right. MORE PEOPLELOOKINGFOR JOBS!! so we KNEW unemployment would go UP UP UP...but not you!! you have rush limball so you have your bull**** fairy tale Second issue is Obama didn't create any jobs, businesses did. Probalby with EI run out, get them back cheap. really? care to prove that? every economist interviewed in march by USATODAY (50 of them) said the TARP program created about 1.5M jobs but because the president's a darkie, he CANT be effective I see 195,000 re-enter the work force, guess more couples are working more jobs to make up for lower wages. Not good. hey moron. guess what? 2 wage earner families is the ONLY reason the middle class income has stayed stable for 30 years. not INCREASED...stayed STABLE. this is NOT NEW. the RIGHT has DESTROYED the american family and forced it to work, work, work Pretty small gains in manufacturing. Almost not worth a mention. Not really good news here as at this time of year it should be much better. guess what? manufacturing has been dying for 50 years in this country as the rich sent jobs offshore. No wonder the market went nuts on Thursday. I would pay big bucks to see this a few hours earlier...as I am sure some did. Computer glitch my ass.... ROFLMAO!! got any proof of this? you right wingers...you wipe out a TRILLION in ONE DAY then blame it on obama!! 100% democratic liberal loser mentality f--kup. You should want to fire them all. If they worked for me, they would be so fired as what they cot they should be able to do better. and the right? it weeps because the middle class isnt selling its children into prostitution. |
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On Sun, 09 May 2010 10:58:00 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: You got it. But it isn't just Democriters, it is a social attitude of entitlement, self pity and irrational loser mentality. The win-loose philosophy. Really self destructive envy and greed. yes, the sense of entitlement by the rich the right wing screws the middle class, then BLAMES teh middle class for gettin screwed THEN calls the middle class lazy when it's actually been WALL STREET that DESTROYED THE ECONOMY but the right blames main street. after all, the rich are god like. they never make mistakes |
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On Sat, 08 May 2010 21:18:43 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sat, 08 May 2010 21:11:11 -0400, John H wrote: In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier. In fact, overseas, not paying taxes has become a finely honed tradition, especially for the very wealthy. Look where Greece has ended up. Yup. The rich leave (or at least get their money out of the country), and the middle class pick up the pieces. Until they can't do it any more. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 08/05/2010 7:33 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "John wrote in message ... Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this: The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing. The fifth would pay $1. The sixth would pay $3. The seventh would pay $7. The eighth would pay $12. The ninth would pay $18. The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59. So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.'Drinks for the ten now cost just $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay. And so: The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings). The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings). The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings). The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings). The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings). The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings). Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. 'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!' 'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times as much as I!' 'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!' 'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!' The nine men surrounded the tenth man and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill! And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier. David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D. Professor of Economics University of Georgia For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v You would be among the four that don't pay. I'm certain of it. So, why do you care? First person I though of at being at the botton welshers was you and pbuharic arguing about who was the most destitute of the two. -- There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are counting on it. Right. I'm a welsher because I pay taxes and support the society I live in; whereas, you're just a poor idiot. |
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On 09/05/2010 12:32 PM, Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: On 09/05/2010 11:02 AM, Jim wrote: BAR wrote: In article , says... Fairly competent resources are available off-shore for 1/4 to 1/3 the cost of US resources without all of the bagage of hiring a US resource. In fact you can hire 2 for 1 US worker and not still be ahead if the productivity is only 50% each. Correction "2 for 1 US worker and still be ahead" Plain stupid thinking. Those working will have to support those not working. Or get their throats cut. Is that what you mean by "a head?" You sound like a commie. In America we want everybody working. Your "foreigner first" attitude don't fly. That is why it is a depression. Fewer people supporting the increasing dead weight and more corruption too. A loose-loose situation. Why even get involved? You would have to be nuts to open a new business in the US/Canada that could be done offshore where win-win is possible. That'll work for misfits who don't fit into normal society, and don't care about making it better by getting people working. Is that what you mean? Jim - The end result of Libertarianism is Communism. The Libertarian leadership become the apparatchiks. These closet commies ain't fooling anybody. That's why they never get anywhere in America. They don't have American values. They're commie faggots. The GOP knows this. Even the queer Demoncrats know it. Huh? Libertarianism is about less government, less interferance, more choices and opportunities for the people will to get off their asses, state owns squat. How does that equate with communism? It's about power. Got nothing to do with "government." It's always about power. Libertarians problem with interference is they don't want anybody interfering with them interfering with others. Same as the commies. You don't get it, do you? Jim - Hard to believe how some folks just don't get it. Nope I don't. Some libertarians are anarchists, I am not that far into that. Just want government to pave roads, enforce common law, do K12 schools and after that, nothing much is of real value. If the country needs defending, let the militia loose. We don't need GM, Citi bailouts, we don't need Iraq/Afganistan with our nose in places just to be a target shoot. We don't need a bureaucracy bigger than most cities playing ponzi politics at out expense. Any time any organization gets too much control over peoples lives bad things happen. World wars, tax slavery, wealth robbing and strife with starvation. But you are right, ultimately it is about power. Keep them poor, hard working and always chasing the carrot. Easier to manage the herd that way. Try a quiz. http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html Me, I hit top right on the results chart. Then retake the test looking at how government is behaving, not the big mount Obama talk, how they are actually behaving. Enlightening. US Governemnt answers would be: Government Censorship: D - because Obama has actually done this and they have the power to stall sotries. Military service volunary. A for governemnt as it is the standing law to let the rich kids off the hook. Drugs a M because it depends if it can be controlled and taxed. Weed will grow in home gardens, not acceptable but alchol...tax it. RE sex, a lot of laws exist on the books although probaly weakly enforced, a M National ID, A, but they would rather see RFID in you cranium. No Corporate welfare, so a D. Government loves the corruption it provides. Goverments love trade barriers, so D here. Control their own retirement, hanus, governemnt loves to skim it. D Governement loves voting buying, charity is D. Cut goveernment, the government sin of all time, D. You get a fracking statism-marxist result. (Leftist-statism) -- There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are counting on it. |
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On 09/05/2010 12:33 PM, Jim wrote:
BAR wrote: In article , says... BAR wrote: In article , says... Fairly competent resources are available off-shore for 1/4 to 1/3 the cost of US resources without all of the bagage of hiring a US resource. In fact you can hire 2 for 1 US worker and not still be ahead if the productivity is only 50% each. Correction "2 for 1 US worker and still be ahead" Plain stupid thinking. Those working will have to support those not working. Or get their throats cut. Is that what you mean by "a head?" You sound like a commie. In America we want everybody working. Your "foreigner first" attitude don't fly. It is called business. And, the decisions are made to keep the stock price of US based corporations rising to make them attractive to the large institutional investors (i.e. pension funds). Government worker pension funds? California teachers and prison guards and all them other generous union pension funds driving many states into bankruptcy? So that's what you're doing. Par for the commie course. Like I said, those working *will* pay to support those without jobs. That's how society works, and always has. Alway gets down to keeping people working for an income, or getting paid by those who are working. Otherwise there's revolution and throat-slashing. Might be happening in Greece right now. 3 died in a torched bank last week or so. More will die yet. And that is before suicides not publically mentioned. If I am lucky enough to get 75% out of the two off-shore resources for 2/3'rds the cost of a single on-shore resource then I am way ahead of the game. By duty is to the share holders, not the government. All that's just fine and dandy until a real American cuts your throat. First, without a credit card he needs to afford a knife, and that is a bad idea if the other guy has a 9mm. It happens, protective compounds exist almost everywhere in the third world. You'd sell out everybody here to China for a buck. And even the governemtn did. Does China or is it Japan that hold the most of US natiional debt assides from the bankrupt US Fed? Either you're a flash in the pan or America is dead. I'm betting on America. I have my doubts. First time in my life too. The course DC is on is a shipwreck in the making. Without a major dramatic course correction, titanic is awaiting company. Todays debt will take wealth robbing taxing decades to control. USA isn't going to crash overnight, a long 10 or 20 year Japan like lost decades. Stagnent wages, higher taxes, less government services, higher inflation and harder credit. In say 30 years after the debt-entitlement-envy generation gets the hard lessons I have no doubt America will rise again as older values get relearned. -- There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are counting on it. |
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On 09/05/2010 12:34 PM, bpuharic wrote:
ROFLMAO!! first you say NO jobs are created THEN you bitch about the ones that ARE created!! Funny, the biggest growth was temp low paying census jobs. LMAO. Hey, I have this beach front property in Arizona.... -- There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are counting on it. |
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On Sun, 9 May 2010 14:29:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message .. -- There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are counting on it. Right. I'm a welsher because I pay taxes and support the society I live in; whereas, you're just a poor idiot. not only that, but when the rich game the system by excluding themselves from taxes (via lower capital gains), he thinks this is wonderful and the bill should be passed to the middle class |
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On Sun, 09 May 2010 16:35:56 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 09/05/2010 12:34 PM, bpuharic wrote: ROFLMAO!! first you say NO jobs are created THEN you bitch about the ones that ARE created!! Funny, the biggest growth was temp low paying census jobs. LMAO. Hey, I have this beach front property in Arizona.... gee. let's look at the numbers, shall we? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/08/bu...my/08jobs.html While the levels of the last two months exceeded the 150,000 jobs a month that many economists say is necessary to accommodate new entrants to the job market, they were still not nearly as high as the average after previous recessions. ------- the economy added 230,000 jobs when the census jobs are subtracted out. that is GROWTH. now, i realize you weep because the middle class isn't getting screwed as much as bush tried to do but the economy GREW last month..and has been growing for the last 3 months. sorry, sport. you lose again |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 09/05/2010 12:34 PM, bpuharic wrote: ROFLMAO!! first you say NO jobs are created THEN you bitch about the ones that ARE created!! Funny, the biggest growth was temp low paying census jobs. LMAO. Hey, I have this beach front property in Arizona.... -- There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are counting on it. I hope that if you ever are allowed to visit our country (which is unlikely I admit) and you go to Arizona (I'm sure you can catch a bus), you'll get arrested until you can prove you're here legally. |
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On 09/05/2010 4:56 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 9 May 2010 14:29:10 -0700, wrote: wrote in message . -- There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are counting on it. Right. I'm a welsher because I pay taxes and support the society I live in; whereas, you're just a poor idiot. not only that, but when the rich game the system by excluding themselves from taxes (via lower capital gains), he thinks this is wonderful and the bill should be passed to the middle class Actually, capital gains is in the total picture a tax on wealth. Inflation tax if you will. For example, you buy a house @ $100,000. Then it is worth $200,000... same house same area. No changes. Materially 100% the same as when you bought it. Did it's value increase or did it's cost in dollars increase? In value, it hasn't changed a bit. In dollars, it costs twice as much due to inflation. But by your arguement you should pay full tax on $100k. If so, it is a tax on inflation and the net value in purchasing power has decreased by the amount you are taxed. But then if you graduated high school, I am sure they just wanted to get rid of you. As you obviously don't understand inflation. -- There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are counting on it. |
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On 09/05/2010 5:04 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2010 16:35:56 -0600, wrote: On 09/05/2010 12:34 PM, bpuharic wrote: ROFLMAO!! first you say NO jobs are created THEN you bitch about the ones that ARE created!! Funny, the biggest growth was temp low paying census jobs. LMAO. Hey, I have this beach front property in Arizona.... gee. let's look at the numbers, shall we? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/08/bu...my/08jobs.html While the levels of the last two months exceeded the 150,000 jobs a month that many economists say is necessary to accommodate new entrants to the job market, they were still not nearly as high as the average after previous recessions. ------- the economy added 230,000 jobs when the census jobs are subtracted out. that is GROWTH. now, i realize you weep because the middle class isn't getting screwed as much as bush tried to do but the economy GREW last month..and has been growing for the last 3 months. sorry, sport. you lose again Bull**** headlines, Obama style. Read the fine print: "The unemployment rate, however, crept up to 9.9 percent, from 9.7 percent in March, mostly because of a significant increase in the number of people who had previously given up deciding to look for work again." Obama and the liberals, this is like mixing up your credits and debits. Just bull****. -- There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are counting on it. |
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On Sun, 09 May 2010 18:07:46 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 09/05/2010 4:56 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 9 May 2010 14:29:10 -0700, wrote: not only that, but when the rich game the system by excluding themselves from taxes (via lower capital gains), he thinks this is wonderful and the bill should be passed to the middle class Actually, capital gains is in the total picture a tax on wealth. Inflation tax if you will. so is income tax on the middle class For example, you buy a house @ $100,000. Then it is worth $200,000... same house same area. No changes. Materially 100% the same as when you bought it. Did it's value increase or did it's cost in dollars increase? except, of course, there are tax benefits to hold ing a house in the US for 2 years that wage earners do not get But then if you graduated high school, I am sure they just wanted to get rid of you. As you obviously don't understand inflation. you seem not to know much about the US tax system no surprise. right whiners have their myths. no facts. just myths |
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On Sun, 09 May 2010 18:09:37 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 09/05/2010 5:04 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 09 May 2010 16:35:56 -0600, wrote: the economy added 230,000 jobs when the census jobs are subtracted out. that is GROWTH. now, i realize you weep because the middle class isn't getting screwed as much as bush tried to do but the economy GREW last month..and has been growing for the last 3 months. sorry, sport. you lose again Bull**** headlines, Obama style. Read the fine print: "The unemployment rate, however, crept up to 9.9 percent, from 9.7 percent in March, mostly because of a significant increase in the number of people who had previously given up deciding to look for work again." gee. more people entering the workforce because of obama's improving the economy. just as predicted by economists when obama ended bush's depression Obama and the liberals, this is like mixing up your credits and debits. i love it. the economy improves. more jobs created. more people enter the workforce and because the darkie president is responsbile he's panicked Just bull****. |
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On Sun, 09 May 2010 18:28:05 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 09/05/2010 6:15 PM, bpuharic wrote: Actually, capital gains is in the total picture a tax on wealth. Inflation tax if you will. so is income tax on the middle class If where you are going with this is to tax businesses and not people. Why not. Since the *******ization of income tax for corporations has been done for GM and banks, why not. my argument is to cut taxes on the middle class by 10%. increase capital gains to make up the difference. regulate the **** out of wall street so they can sell fictional bull**** as financial instruments but the right thinks ONLY in terms of cutting capital gains. |
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On 09/05/2010 6:42 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 09 May 2010 18:28:05 -0600, wrote: On 09/05/2010 6:15 PM, bpuharic wrote: Actually, capital gains is in the total picture a tax on wealth. Inflation tax if you will. so is income tax on the middle class If where you are going with this is to tax businesses and not people. Why not. Since the *******ization of income tax for corporations has been done for GM and banks, why not. my argument is to cut taxes on the middle class by 10%. increase capital gains to make up the difference. regulate the **** out of wall street so they can sell fictional bull**** as financial instruments but the right thinks ONLY in terms of cutting capital gains. 10% on gross or taxes owed? Needs to be deep to be meaningful. Things are so tight in some middle class budgets that a token $50/month net isn't going to save them from bankruptcy. If capital gains went up, no one would invest. No new real wealth producing jobs. Regulate Wall Street and it can go offshore. Hell, I already use offshore as I don't trust the US with the mainline accounts. I already trade abroad and only pay 15% in taxes to the US earnings. Be happy to move the rest too as I do have a NY account. But I keep it incase I see win-win opportunities. Trouble is here is no profit for business in the US. While papers brag about a few shining stars, over all US business earnings are in the tank. Just like a defunct debtor on Repo Man, you deny the obvious. -- There is a sucker born every minute, liberals and our politicians are counting on it. |
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