"Whirling blades of death"
 

I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On Apr 27, 10:00*am, Frogwatch wrote:
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. *In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. *One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. *In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 07:00:31 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

The words of an authority on all subjects.

Guess you don't give a **** about the Louisiana coastline.

Small oil spill it's not. Something like 40,000 gallons a day spewing
into the gulf and will make landfall.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/04...Coast-on-alert

You are so quick to make excuses for big business. Is that your form
of teabaggerism? Stand up for the big guy so when it's your turn to
despoil the earth, you'll be in good company?

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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.

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On 4/27/10 1:01 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.



Are oil barrels 55 gallons? If so, multiply 40,000 x 55...sheesh.

To righties like Froggy, spilled oil is not a problem, and neither is
the death of coal miners.

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"hk" wrote in message
m...
On 4/27/10 1:01 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.



Are oil barrels 55 gallons? If so, multiply 40,000 x 55...sheesh.

To righties like Froggy, spilled oil is not a problem, and neither is the
death of coal miners.


Nope, 42 gallons.

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"Loogypicker" wrote in message
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On Apr 27, 10:00 am, Frogwatch wrote:
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

Reply:
Lots of birds. Lots of raptors. The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On 4/27/10 1:50 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message
m...
On 4/27/10 1:01 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.



Are oil barrels 55 gallons? If so, multiply 40,000 x 55...sheesh.

To righties like Froggy, spilled oil is not a problem, and neither is the
death of coal miners.


Nope, 42 gallons.



Thanks. Obviously, then, to Froggy, it is a far smaller problem. :)

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On Apr 27, 1:52*pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message

...
On Apr 27, 10:00 am, Frogwatch wrote:

I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill exploding as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

Reply:
Lots of birds. *Lots of raptors. *The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. *But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. *Major problem is they are build in grazing land. *So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

Bill, I asked for data, not heresay.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:52:36 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths.

Let's see a cite for that claim.

The plain fact is that every time somebody's against wind turbines,
usually for irrational and hypocritical esthetic reasons, they
suddenly become concerned with bird mortality. Ask any one of them to
show some evidence of previous concern, and all you'll get is
doubletalk.

Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

So what? The birds have for the most part thrived while learning to
avoid all manner of equipment. They do pretty well with turbines as
well. The few problems that do occur have mostly been the result of
siting turbines in migratory flight paths.

Here are some numbers: about 500 times as many birds are killed by
house cats than by wind turbines. Turbines account for but a few
one-thousands of one percent of total bird mortality in the US.
Figures like those have been readily available for a long time.


http://skepticblog.org/2010/01/07/wi...-of-the-skies/
http://www.fws.gov/birds/mortality-fact-sheet.pdf
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006...n_misconce.php

"The number of birds killed by wind turbines is also negligible when
compared to the number that die as a result of other human activities
such as traffic, hunting, electric power transmission and high-rise
buildings, the introduction of feral and roaming domestic cats,[8] and
especially the environmental impacts of using non-clean power sources.
For example, in the UK, where there are several hundred turbines,
about one bird is killed per turbine per year; 10 million per year are
killed by cars alone.[33] In the United States, turbines kill 70,000
birds per year, compared to 80,000 killed by aircraft,[34] 57 million
killed by cars, 97.5 million killed by collisions with plate
glass,[35] and hundreds of millions killed by cats.[8] An article in
Nature stated that each wind turbine kills an average of 4.27 birds
per year.[36]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...nd_power#Birds


Wayne

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On Apr 27, 12:53*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker

wrote:
Reply:
Lots of birds. *Lots of raptors. *The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. *But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. *Major problem is they are build in grazing land. *So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

Bill, I asked for data, not heresay.

here is one source with links to othershttp://www.abcbirds.org/conservationissues/threats/energyproduction/w...

I think HK meant to Divide 40000 by 48 gallons/barrel to get 833
barrels/day, that is small. It is far less than the amount that
naturally leaks from deep seeps.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On 4/27/10 4:26 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 27, 12:53 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker

wrote:
Reply:
Lots of birds. Lots of raptors. The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

Bill, I asked for data, not heresay.

here is one source with links to othershttp://www.abcbirds.org/conservationissues/threats/energyproduction/w...

I think HK meant to Divide 40000 by 48 gallons/barrel to get 833
barrels/day, that is small. It is far less than the amount that
naturally leaks from deep seeps.


I believe what was quoted here was 40000 barrels a day. I was corrected
on the number of gallons per barrel. I assumed it was 55...it is
less...it is 42 gallons a barrel. So, no, I was not dividing, I was
multiplying. 40000 x 42 = more than a million and a half gallons *a day* .
The Exxon Valdez spilled about 10 million gallons in toto.



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"Whirling blades of death"
 

On Apr 27, 3:53*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker

wrote:
Reply:
Lots of birds. *Lots of raptors. *The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. *But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. *Major problem is they are build in grazing land. *So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

Bill, I asked for data, not heresay.

here is one source with links to othershttp://www.abcbirds.org/conservationissues/threats/energyproduction/w...

10,000 to 40,000. Not alot in the grand scheme of things. And only 10%
were "raptors" or birds of prey.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Apr 27, 10:00 am, Frogwatch wrote:
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

Reply:
Lots of birds. Lots of raptors. The enviros were ecstatic about
windmills here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of the
bird deaths. Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So lots of
ground squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.



So, therefore, spilling 100s of 1000s of barrels of oil and polluting
beaches is ok.

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"Whirling blades of death"
 

"hk" wrote in message
m...
On 4/27/10 4:26 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 27, 12:53 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker

wrote:
Reply:
Lots of birds. Lots of raptors. The enviros were ecstatic about
windmills
here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So lots of
ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

Bill, I asked for data, not heresay.

here is one source with links to
othershttp://www.abcbirds.org/conservationissues/threats/energyproduction/w...

I think HK meant to Divide 40000 by 48 gallons/barrel to get 833
barrels/day, that is small. It is far less than the amount that
naturally leaks from deep seeps.


I believe what was quoted here was 40000 barrels a day. I was corrected on
the number of gallons per barrel. I assumed it was 55...it is less...it is
42 gallons a barrel. So, no, I was not dividing, I was multiplying. 40000
x 42 = more than a million and a half gallons *a day* .
The Exxon Valdez spilled about 10 million gallons in toto.


No, no, and no! 40000 x 42 = 1 (Sarah Palin)

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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...d+kill&spell=1

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Apr 27, 1:52 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message

...
On Apr 27, 10:00 am, Frogwatch wrote:

I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill exploding as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

Reply:
Lots of birds. Lots of raptors. The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths. Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

Bill, I asked for data, not heresay.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

Just google Alatmont wind farm lawsuit
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:52:36 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths.

Let's see a cite for that claim.

The plain fact is that every time somebody's against wind turbines,
usually for irrational and hypocritical esthetic reasons, they
suddenly become concerned with bird mortality. Ask any one of them to
show some evidence of previous concern, and all you'll get is
doubletalk.

Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

So what? The birds have for the most part thrived while learning to
avoid all manner of equipment. They do pretty well with turbines as
well. The few problems that do occur have mostly been the result of
siting turbines in migratory flight paths.

Here are some numbers: about 500 times as many birds are killed by
house cats than by wind turbines. Turbines account for but a few
one-thousands of one percent of total bird mortality in the US.
Figures like those have been readily available for a long time.


http://skepticblog.org/2010/01/07/wi...-of-the-skies/
http://www.fws.gov/birds/mortality-fact-sheet.pdf
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006...n_misconce.php

"The number of birds killed by wind turbines is also negligible when
compared to the number that die as a result of other human activities
such as traffic, hunting, electric power transmission and high-rise
buildings, the introduction of feral and roaming domestic cats,[8] and
especially the environmental impacts of using non-clean power sources.
For example, in the UK, where there are several hundred turbines,
about one bird is killed per turbine per year; 10 million per year are
killed by cars alone.[33] In the United States, turbines kill 70,000
birds per year, compared to 80,000 killed by aircraft,[34] 57 million
killed by cars, 97.5 million killed by collisions with plate
glass,[35] and hundreds of millions killed by cats.[8] An article in
Nature stated that each wind turbine kills an average of 4.27 birds
per year.[36]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...nd_power#Birds


Wayne

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On Apr 27, 4:21*pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:
Just google Alatmont wind farm wrote in message

...

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:52:36 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. *But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths.

Let's see a cite for that claim.

The plain fact is that every time somebody's against wind turbines,
usually for irrational and hypocritical esthetic reasons, they
suddenly become concerned with bird mortality. Ask any one of them to
show some evidence of previous concern, and all you'll get is
doubletalk.

Major problem is they are build in grazing land. *So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

So what? The birds have for the most part thrived while learning to
avoid all manner of equipment. They do pretty well with turbines as
well. The few problems that do occur have mostly been the result of
siting turbines in migratory flight paths.

Here are some numbers: about 500 times as many birds are killed by
house cats than by wind turbines. Turbines account for but a few
one-thousands of one percent of total bird mortality in the US.
Figures like those have been readily available for a long time.

http://skepticblog.org/2010/01/07/wi...ds-the-cuisina...
http://www.fws.gov/birds/mortality-fact-sheet.pdf
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006...n_misconce.php

"The number of birds killed by wind turbines is also negligible when
compared to the number that die as a result of other human activities
such as traffic, hunting, electric power transmission and high-rise
buildings, the introduction of feral and roaming domestic cats,[8] and
especially the environmental impacts of using non-clean power sources.
For example, in the UK, where there are several hundred turbines,
about one bird is killed per turbine per year; 10 million per year are
killed by cars alone.[33] *In the United States, turbines kill 70,000
birds per year, compared to 80,000 killed by aircraft,[34] 57 million
killed by cars, 97.5 million killed by collisions with plate
glass,[35] *and hundreds of millions killed by cats.[8] *An article in
Nature stated that each wind turbine kills an average of 4.27 birds
per year.[36]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...nd_power#Birds

Wayne

It is 40,000 gallons, not barrels. A 40,000 barrel/day well would be
a biggie and this was an exploratory well, not a producer.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
On Apr 27, 4:21 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:
Just google Alatmont wind farm wrote in
message

...

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:52:36 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

The enviros were ecstatic about windmills
here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of the bird
deaths.

Let's see a cite for that claim.

The plain fact is that every time somebody's against wind turbines,
usually for irrational and hypocritical esthetic reasons, they
suddenly become concerned with bird mortality. Ask any one of them to
show some evidence of previous concern, and all you'll get is
doubletalk.

Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So lots of ground
squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

So what? The birds have for the most part thrived while learning to
avoid all manner of equipment. They do pretty well with turbines as
well. The few problems that do occur have mostly been the result of
siting turbines in migratory flight paths.

Here are some numbers: about 500 times as many birds are killed by
house cats than by wind turbines. Turbines account for but a few
one-thousands of one percent of total bird mortality in the US.
Figures like those have been readily available for a long time.

http://skepticblog.org/2010/01/07/wi...ds-the-cuisina...
http://www.fws.gov/birds/mortality-fact-sheet.pdf
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006...n_misconce.php

"The number of birds killed by wind turbines is also negligible when
compared to the number that die as a result of other human activities
such as traffic, hunting, electric power transmission and high-rise
buildings, the introduction of feral and roaming domestic cats,[8] and
especially the environmental impacts of using non-clean power sources.
For example, in the UK, where there are several hundred turbines,
about one bird is killed per turbine per year; 10 million per year are
killed by cars alone.[33] In the United States, turbines kill 70,000
birds per year, compared to 80,000 killed by aircraft,[34] 57 million
killed by cars, 97.5 million killed by collisions with plate
glass,[35] and hundreds of millions killed by cats.[8] An article in
Nature stated that each wind turbine kills an average of 4.27 birds
per year.[36]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...nd_power#Birds

Wayne

It is 40,000 gallons, not barrels. A 40,000 barrel/day well would be
a biggie and this was an exploratory well, not a producer.


Except that the Coast Guard considers it one of the worst oil spill
disasters in our history.

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Apr 27, 10:00 am, Frogwatch wrote:
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill "exploding" as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

Reply:
Lots of birds. Lots of raptors. The enviros were ecstatic about
windmills here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of
the bird deaths. Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So
lots of ground squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like
for dinner.



So, therefore, spilling 100s of 1000s of barrels of oil and polluting
beaches is ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume



Comprehend the question asked.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Apr 27, 10:00 am, Frogwatch wrote:
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill "exploding" as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

Reply:
Lots of birds. Lots of raptors. The enviros were ecstatic about
windmills here for awhile. But now they want to limit them because of
the bird deaths. Major problem is they are build in grazing land. So
lots of ground squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like
for dinner.



So, therefore, spilling 100s of 1000s of barrels of oil and polluting
beaches is ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume



Comprehend the question asked.

The one that's rattling around in your empty head? The one that actually
never made it to your keyboard?

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On Apr 27, 6:18*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message

m...





"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Apr 27, 10:00 am, Frogwatch wrote:
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill exploding as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.

That's actually quite deceptive. First of all, 46,000 gallons of crude
PER DAY is not a "small oil spill". Please show the links that provide
data on how many birds are killed via windmills.

Reply:
Lots of birds. *Lots of raptors. *The enviros were ecstatic about
windmills here for awhile. *But now they want to limit them because of the
bird deaths. *Major problem is they are build in grazing land. *So lots of
ground squirrels that the Golden Eagles and other raptors like for dinner.

So, therefore, spilling 100s of 1000s of barrels of oil and polluting
beaches is ok.

--
Nom=de=Plume

If you say so, D'Plume.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:21:36 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Just google Alatmont wind farm lawsuit

Why? That is old and worst case. It is in no way typical. Why did you
ask for facts when you're clearly satisfied to base your opinion on
anecdotes? How did you get on the wrong side of an issue where the
facts are undeniable?

Wayne

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On Apr 27, 9:36*pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
More like whirling piles of bull****.

Maybe you should post citations rather than try to accurately remember
something you thought you might have read somewhere.

The truth is: "Danger to birds is often the main complaint against the
installation of a wind turbine. However, the Audubon Society finds that, for
each unit of electricity generated, wind power kills around 1/15th the
number of birds killed by fossil fuels.[7] *The number of birds killed by
wind turbines is also negligible when compared to the number that die as a
result of other human activities such as traffic, hunting, electric power
transmission and high-rise buildings, the introduction of feral and roaming
domestic cats,[8] *and especially the environmental impacts of using
non-clean power sources."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...nd_power#Birds

Besides being dangerous to wildlife and the food chain, that massive oil
spill in the Gulf will cost small businesses such as fishermen, restaurants,
motels, etc. a BUNDLE. Even large corporations will probably take a big ass
kicking from this environmental disaster's toll on tourism.

The spill is already costing BIG money. And the Coast Guard hasn't
even given there numbers yet. It's costing BP $6 million a day, the
relief well will top $100 million, and Transocean's stock is tanking.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:01:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill “exploding” as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.

Well, in today's news the report is that the CG is planning to set the
oil on fire.
I guess now we'll have to worry about the little fishes.
Eddie

"Whirling blades of death"
 

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Apr 27, 9:36 pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
More like whirling piles of bull****.

Maybe you should post citations rather than try to accurately remember
something you thought you might have read somewhere.

The truth is: "Danger to birds is often the main complaint against the
installation of a wind turbine. However, the Audubon Society finds that,
for
each unit of electricity generated, wind power kills around 1/15th the
number of birds killed by fossil fuels.[7] The number of birds killed by
wind turbines is also negligible when compared to the number that die as
a
result of other human activities such as traffic, hunting, electric power
transmission and high-rise buildings, the introduction of feral and
roaming
domestic cats,[8] and especially the environmental impacts of using
non-clean power sources."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...nd_power#Birds

Besides being dangerous to wildlife and the food chain, that massive oil
spill in the Gulf will cost small businesses such as fishermen,
restaurants,
motels, etc. a BUNDLE. Even large corporations will probably take a big
ass
kicking from this environmental disaster's toll on tourism.

The spill is already costing BIG money. And the Coast Guard hasn't
even given there numbers yet. It's costing BP $6 million a day, the
relief well will top $100 million, and Transocean's stock is tanking.

Tanking? When's the last time you got a quote?

"Whirling blades of death"
 

"Eddie" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:01:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill "exploding" as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.

Well, in today's news the report is that the CG is planning to set the
oil on fire.
I guess now we'll have to worry about the little fishes.
Eddie


I heard that also... a controlled burn. Oh, it was 40,000 gallons per day,
but still... 2000 sq. miles or something like that. That's a lot of burning.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On Apr 28, 1:22*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message

...





On Apr 27, 9:36 pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
More like whirling piles of bull****.

Maybe you should post citations rather than try to accurately remember
something you thought you might have read somewhere.

The truth is: "Danger to birds is often the main complaint against the
installation of a wind turbine. However, the Audubon Society finds that,
for
each unit of electricity generated, wind power kills around 1/15th the
number of birds killed by fossil fuels.[7] *The number of birds killed by
wind turbines is also negligible when compared to the number that die as
a
result of other human activities such as traffic, hunting, electric power
transmission and high-rise buildings, the introduction of feral and
roaming
domestic cats,[8] *and especially the environmental impacts of using
non-clean power sources."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...nd_power#Birds

Besides being dangerous to wildlife and the food chain, that massive oil
spill in the Gulf will cost small businesses such as fishermen,
restaurants,
motels, etc. a BUNDLE. Even large corporations will probably take a big
ass
kicking from this environmental disaster's toll on tourism.

The spill is already costing BIG money. And the Coast Guard hasn't
even given there numbers yet. It's costing BP $6 million a day, the
relief well will top $100 million, and Transocean's stock is tanking.

Tanking? *When's the last time you got a quote?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess you didn't see the 5 day graph, huh?

http://www.marke****ch.com/investing/stock/RIG

"Whirling blades of death"
 

"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Apr 28, 1:22 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message

...





On Apr 27, 9:36 pm, "A.Boater" wrote:
More like whirling piles of bull****.

Maybe you should post citations rather than try to accurately remember
something you thought you might have read somewhere.

The truth is: "Danger to birds is often the main complaint against the
installation of a wind turbine. However, the Audubon Society finds
that,
for
each unit of electricity generated, wind power kills around 1/15th the
number of birds killed by fossil fuels.[7] The number of birds killed
by
wind turbines is also negligible when compared to the number that die
as
a
result of other human activities such as traffic, hunting, electric
power
transmission and high-rise buildings, the introduction of feral and
roaming
domestic cats,[8] and especially the environmental impacts of using
non-clean power sources."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...nd_power#Birds

Besides being dangerous to wildlife and the food chain, that massive
oil
spill in the Gulf will cost small businesses such as fishermen,
restaurants,
motels, etc. a BUNDLE. Even large corporations will probably take a
big
ass
kicking from this environmental disaster's toll on tourism.

The spill is already costing BIG money. And the Coast Guard hasn't
even given there numbers yet. It's costing BP $6 million a day, the
relief well will top $100 million, and Transocean's stock is tanking.

Tanking? When's the last time you got a quote?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess you didn't see the 5 day graph, huh?

http://www.marke****ch.com/investing/stock/RIG

You call 2~3% "tanking"? Not much of an investor, eh? Drillers and
equipment is a good place to be today.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On 4/29/2010 1:28 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:01:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill "exploding" as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap
it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled. It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.

Well, in today's news the report is that the CG is planning to set the
oil on fire.
I guess now we'll have to worry about the little fishes.
Eddie


I heard that also... a controlled burn. Oh, it was 40,000 gallons per
day, but still... 2000 sq. miles or something like that. That's a lot of
burning.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Most of that 2000 sq miles is a sheen, which will not burn. 1 quart of
oil will cover 2 acres. And they had to add a lot of gasoline to get the
fire started. Crude is hard to burn.



What's your point? (Besides the one on the top of your head...)


Shut up and read for content. You'll get the point.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:46:00 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:21:36 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Just google Alatmont wind farm lawsuit

Why? That is old and worst case. It is in no way typical. Why did you
ask for facts when you're clearly satisfied to base your opinion on
anecdotes? How did you get on the wrong side of an issue where the
facts are undeniable?

Wayne

Still current case.

Have you ever thought of doing some research before advertising your
malformed opinions? Have you ever considered simply admitting when
you're wrong?

Wayne

"Whirling blades of death"
 

"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
...
On 4/29/2010 1:28 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:01:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from
the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill "exploding" as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap
it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled.
It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.

Well, in today's news the report is that the CG is planning to set the
oil on fire.
I guess now we'll have to worry about the little fishes.
Eddie


I heard that also... a controlled burn. Oh, it was 40,000 gallons per
day, but still... 2000 sq. miles or something like that. That's a lot
of
burning.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Most of that 2000 sq miles is a sheen, which will not burn. 1 quart of
oil will cover 2 acres. And they had to add a lot of gasoline to get
the
fire started. Crude is hard to burn.



What's your point? (Besides the one on the top of your head...)


Shut up and read for content. You'll get the point.


You're not qualified to tell me what to do. I can see the point, but it's at
the top of your noggin.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:46:00 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:21:36 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Just google Alatmont wind farm lawsuit

Why? That is old and worst case. It is in no way typical. Why did you
ask for facts when you're clearly satisfied to base your opinion on
anecdotes? How did you get on the wrong side of an issue where the
facts are undeniable?

Wayne

Still current case.

Have you ever thought of doing some research before advertising your
malformed opinions? Have you ever considered simply admitting when
you're wrong?

Wayne

I live near the Altamont hills. Still a hot issue here. They are replacing
the older, smaller units with bigger units, but there is still the
controversy of bird kills.

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On 4/29/2010 11:54 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 4/29/2010 1:28 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:01:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from
the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill "exploding" as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't cap
it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled.
It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.

Well, in today's news the report is that the CG is planning to set the
oil on fire.
I guess now we'll have to worry about the little fishes.
Eddie


I heard that also... a controlled burn. Oh, it was 40,000 gallons per
day, but still... 2000 sq. miles or something like that. That's a lot
of
burning.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Most of that 2000 sq miles is a sheen, which will not burn. 1 quart of
oil will cover 2 acres. And they had to add a lot of gasoline to get
the
fire started. Crude is hard to burn.



What's your point? (Besides the one on the top of your head...)


Shut up and read for content. You'll get the point.


You're not qualified to tell me what to do. I can see the point, but it's at
the top of your noggin.


Actually I am. GFY

"Whirling blades of death"
 

"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
...
On 4/29/2010 11:54 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 4/29/2010 1:28 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:01:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from
the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do
not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds
and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. One can also see vids of a
windmill "exploding" as it gets of balance as well. In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil
spill
will.


You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't
cap
it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled.
It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.

Well, in today's news the report is that the CG is planning to set
the
oil on fire.
I guess now we'll have to worry about the little fishes.
Eddie


I heard that also... a controlled burn. Oh, it was 40,000 gallons per
day, but still... 2000 sq. miles or something like that. That's a lot
of
burning.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Most of that 2000 sq miles is a sheen, which will not burn. 1 quart
of
oil will cover 2 acres. And they had to add a lot of gasoline to get
the
fire started. Crude is hard to burn.



What's your point? (Besides the one on the top of your head...)


Shut up and read for content. You'll get the point.


You're not qualified to tell me what to do. I can see the point, but it's
at
the top of your noggin.


Actually I am. GFY


You have a point on your noggin? Must have trouble with hats. What is GFY?

"Whirling blades of death"
 

On Apr 29, 2:40*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message

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On 4/29/2010 11:54 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
*wrote in message
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On 4/29/2010 1:28 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:01:07 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
* wrote:

* wrote in message
...
I read an editorial somewhere concerning the small oil spill from
the
oil rig explosion in the Gulf of Mexico saying that windmills do
not
explode or foul the environment but in reality windmills do kill
wildlife. *In fact the average windmill kills hundreds of birds
and
you can see vids of this on Youtube. *One can also see vids of a
windmill "exploding" as it gets of balance as well. *In fact, the
average windfarm probably kills more birds than this small oil
spill
will.

You're crazy. It's spilling 40,000 barrels per DAY. If they can't
cap
it,
it'll spill that much for months until another hole can be drilled.
It's
projected to pollute the coast of four states.

Well, in today's news the report is that the CG is planning to set
the
oil on fire.
I guess now we'll have to worry about the little fishes.
Eddie

I heard that also... a controlled burn. Oh, it was 40,000 gallons per
day, but still... 2000 sq. miles or something like that. That's a lot
of
burning.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Most of that 2000 sq miles is a sheen, which will not burn. *1 quart
of
oil will cover 2 acres. *And they had to add a lot of gasoline to get
the
fire started. *Crude is hard to burn.

What's your point? (Besides the one on the top of your head...)

Shut up and read for content. You'll get the point.

You're not qualified to tell me what to do. I can see the point, but it's
at
the top of your noggin.

Actually I am. GFY

You have a point on your noggin? Must have trouble with hats. What is GFY?

What is GFY? With your brilliance, D'Plume, you should tell him.