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the right wing is going to bat for wall street! who coulda guessed?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

The industry has been damaged further by a series of embarrassing
developments, including the recent fraud charges levied against
Goldman Sachs by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Democrats
also criticized Republican leaders for holding a private meeting with
two dozen Wall Street leaders just before the GOP lawmakers threatened
to block Dodd's bill.

Although Obama and other Democrats held the edge on Wall Street
fundraising during the 2008 election cycle, the political action
committees for major banks and financial services companies have
dramatically shifted their giving toward Republicans in recent months,
data show. Goldman's PAC, for example, gave almost $300,000 to
candidates and parties in March, nearly two-thirds of which went to
the GOP.

GOP and wall street fight financial regulations
 

On 24/04/2010 5:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
the right wing is going to bat for wall street! who coulda guessed?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

The industry has been damaged further by a series of embarrassing
developments, including the recent fraud charges levied against
Goldman Sachs by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Democrats
also criticized Republican leaders for holding a private meeting with
two dozen Wall Street leaders just before the GOP lawmakers threatened
to block Dodd's bill.

Although Obama and other Democrats held the edge on Wall Street
fundraising during the 2008 election cycle, the political action
committees for major banks and financial services companies have
dramatically shifted their giving toward Republicans in recent months,
data show. Goldman's PAC, for example, gave almost $300,000 to
candidates and parties in March, nearly two-thirds of which went to
the GOP.

Maybe the financial markets should move offshore?


--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:16:59 -0400, wrote:



That will probably happen with the derivatives market.
BTW did you see Larry Summers on CBS this morning saying he was just a
college professor and why would anyone blame him for what went on?

Hmm, maybe because you are presidential economic ADVISOR for Obama and
SoT for Clinton? Maybe because you were leading the cheer for
everything Gramm was doing in the late 90s? Even his brief tenure at
Harvard was marked by his association with a swindler.

'wall street' and 'swindler' is a redundancy

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On 4/25/10 2:45 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:26:42 -0400, wrote:

'wall street' and 'swindler' is a redundancy

It really makes me wonder why you allocated your 401k into equities if
you feel this way.

So much of this economic upturn you keep touting is really just a rise
on Wall Street that it makes me wonder if you understand the economy
at all. I agree that here is certainly a casino aspect to Wall Street
but if you play the game and lose you can't immediately assume the
game must be crooked. For every loser there is a winner. In this case
it was the people who shorted the housing market. The liberal hero
George Soros made a ****load of money in this crash and took an
inordinate amount of TARP money from his AIG positions.

Your post assumes a modicum of honesty on the part of those who control
Wall Street. Ha! The game is crooked.

--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:45:49 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:26:42 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

'wall street' and 'swindler' is a redundancy

It really makes me wonder why you allocated your 401k into equities if
you feel this way.

OK i'll type this slowly so even you, a right whiner, can understand:

there is no alternative.

see those words??? there is no alternative. none.

the rich stole pensions. what they couldnt steal they banished. there
are no more pensions.

so the ONLY choice is 401k's.

you're kinda stupid. you dont know much about how reality works.
that's why you're right wing


So much of this economic upturn you keep touting is really just a rise
on Wall Street that it makes me wonder if you understand the economy
at all.

says the guy who doesn't know that the manufacturing sector has
expanded for the last 3 months and housing sales were at their highest
level in 47 years.

oh well. i guess rush has kept that hidden from him...culture shock...

I agree that here is certainly a casino aspect to Wall Street
but if you play the game and lose you can't immediately assume the
game must be crooked. For every loser there is a winner

well no. you can have 100,000,000 losers and 1 winner. that's exactly
what happened.

wall street looked at the middle class, raped us, then made us pay for
a few rich bankers.

.. In this case
it was the people who shorted the housing market.

guess he's unaware goldman sachs ENGINEERED the crisis through fraud
THEN bet against the housing market

but, no one ever said the right wing was educated. they have fairy
tales.

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On 25/04/2010 10:16 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 07:46:34 -0600,
wrote:

On 24/04/2010 5:37 PM, bpuharic wrote:
the right wing is going to bat for wall street! who coulda guessed?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

The industry has been damaged further by a series of embarrassing
developments, including the recent fraud charges levied against
Goldman Sachs by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Democrats
also criticized Republican leaders for holding a private meeting with
two dozen Wall Street leaders just before the GOP lawmakers threatened
to block Dodd's bill.

Although Obama and other Democrats held the edge on Wall Street
fundraising during the 2008 election cycle, the political action
committees for major banks and financial services companies have
dramatically shifted their giving toward Republicans in recent months,
data show. Goldman's PAC, for example, gave almost $300,000 to
candidates and parties in March, nearly two-thirds of which went to
the GOP.

Maybe the financial markets should move offshore?

That will probably happen with the derivatives market.
BTW did you see Larry Summers on CBS this morning saying he was just a
college professor and why would anyone blame him for what went on?

Hmm, maybe because you are presidential economic ADVISOR for Obama and
SoT for Clinton? Maybe because you were leading the cheer for
everything Gramm was doing in the late 90s? Even his brief tenure at
Harvard was marked by his association with a swindler.

Nope, in Canada we don't get CBS. CRTC has a thing about foreign
contenet and makes sure only "government approved" content is shown.
Hazards of big fat government and monopolistic media operators.

Is this Larry Summers as in Harvard president or something? Seems like
Harvard type ought to fit in quite nicely with Obama corruption. After
all other CEOs of GMAC, GM, Chrysler and bailout buddies all have
Harvard writen all over them.

Really this is a corruption war going on at the top. Just bigger stakes
than Clinton with Monica.

My guess is Obama is doing a flip flop with the deals he made to get
elected as he knows Democrats are in trouble in November. And the last
thing big mouth wants to see is GOP in congress. Or worse, a Tea Party
holding the balance of power which would be Obama's worst scenario. Say
GOP in congress slams down the spending, then the corruption monies dry up.

Actually, Americans would benefit a lot if congress went say 180 each
for Dem and GOP, with 75 Tea Party. Go a long way to screw around the
corrupt.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:24:47 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:



My guess is Obama is doing a flip flop with the deals he made to get
elected as he knows Democrats are in trouble in November. And the last
thing big mouth wants to see is GOP in congress. Or worse, a Tea Party
holding the balance of power which would be Obama's worst scenario. Say
GOP in congress slams down the spending, then the corruption monies dry up.

?? the GOP controlled congress for 6 years while bush was president.

it spent more money than any US govt in history

you dont know much about US history, do you?


Actually, Americans would benefit a lot if congress went say 180 each
for Dem and GOP, with 75 Tea Party. Go a long way to screw around the
corrupt.

you don't know much about US history do you?

the teabaggers ARE the GOP.

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On 4/25/10 8:18 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:47:49 -0400,
wrote:

I agree that here is certainly a casino aspect to Wall Street
but if you play the game and lose you can't immediately assume the
game must be crooked. For every loser there is a winner. In this case
it was the people who shorted the housing market. The liberal hero
George Soros made a ****load of money in this crash and took an
inordinate amount of TARP money from his AIG positions.

Your post assumes a modicum of honesty on the part of those who control
Wall Street. Ha! The game is crooked.

It all depends on what you mean by "honest".
If you are saying honest means your books are in order and the
transactions are somewhat transparent then they are mostly honest.
There are plenty of swarmy things going on that are legal and
"honest". That doesn't necessarily mean they are moral or ethical.



I don't trust the books, the outside bookkeepers, the brokerage houses,
or the bankers. In the good old days, you could trust the outside
certified auditors to reasonably and fairly present the books of a large
corporation. These days, there's not much difference between the crooks
who rob you with a six gun and the ones who rob you with a fountain
pen/computer keyboard.


--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:28:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:04:10 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

It really makes me wonder why you allocated your 401k into equities if
you feel this way.

OK i'll type this slowly so even you, a right whiner, can understand:

there is no alternative.

see those words??? there is no alternative. none.

the rich stole pensions. what they couldnt steal they banished. there
are no more pensions.

so the ONLY choice is 401k's.

you're kinda stupid. you dont know much about how reality works.
that's why you're right wing



So you are going to try to tell me there was no "safe" allocation
option in your 401k that put the money in government paper,
Treasuries, municipal bonds and other low risk investments?

so you're trying to tell me i should have outguessed lehman bros, AIG,
goldman sachs, etc?

gee. with skills like that, why am i just an engineer?

me and 100,000,000 other hard working americans?

you right wingers keep trying to blame it on workers.

and you think that's 'cuz the rich are always right

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:35:57 -0400, wrote:


BP doesn't understand, half his 401k profits were taken before he ever
even saw them by fund managers who churned the holdings to increase
fees.

so you say.

any other fairy tales you want to spin? you're not doing so well with
this one.

desperation is a poor motive for your type of myth

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On 25/04/2010 8:57 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:48:19 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:35:57 -0400, wrote:


BP doesn't understand, half his 401k profits were taken before he ever
even saw them by fund managers who churned the holdings to increase
fees.

so you say.

any other fairy tales you want to spin? you're not doing so well with
this one.

desperation is a poor motive for your type of myth

Do you even have a clue about what your 401k managers are charging
you?
Hint, it is not on your statement.

Should we help him out?

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:57:04 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:48:19 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:35:57 -0400, wrote:


BP doesn't understand, half his 401k profits were taken before he ever
even saw them by fund managers who churned the holdings to increase
fees.

so you say.

any other fairy tales you want to spin? you're not doing so well with
this one.

desperation is a poor motive for your type of myth

Do you even have a clue about what your 401k managers are charging
you?
Hint, it is not on your statement.

do you even have a clue what's happening to the american middle class?

GOP and wall street fight financial regulations
 

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:12:54 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/04/2010 8:57 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:48:19 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:35:57 -0400, wrote:


BP doesn't understand, half his 401k profits were taken before he ever
even saw them by fund managers who churned the holdings to increase
fees.

so you say.

any other fairy tales you want to spin? you're not doing so well with
this one.

desperation is a poor motive for your type of myth

Do you even have a clue about what your 401k managers are charging
you?
Hint, it is not on your statement.

Should we help him out?

fine. then you can do the same for the other 100,000,000 american
workers who saw their net worth get raped by wall street

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On 4/26/10 11:42 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:43:57 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:57:04 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:48:19 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:35:57 -0400, wrote:


BP doesn't understand, half his 401k profits were taken before he ever
even saw them by fund managers who churned the holdings to increase
fees.

so you say.

any other fairy tales you want to spin? you're not doing so well with
this one.

desperation is a poor motive for your type of myth

Do you even have a clue about what your 401k managers are charging
you?
Hint, it is not on your statement.

do you even have a clue what's happening to the american middle class?

The ones who know how to play the game are doing OK. The ones who
trust their banker/broker to take good care of them are getting their
ass handed to them.

You're really oversimplifying here, my friend. There are tens of
millions of Americans who are suffering as a result of the Bush Deep
Recession, and most of them were not "involved" in any significant way
with bankers or brokers. To paraphrase Woodie Guthrie, they've been
tractored out of their jobs, and for many there will never be a job as
good as the one corporate management lost for them.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a massive social upheaval in this
country, and I don't mean by the soft-brained teabaggers, but by
formerly middle class Americans who have been ****ed out of their jobs,
their homes, their health insurance, the college education for their
children and their retirement. And who should be the target of their
wrath? The pols, the wall street bankers and brokers, the insurance
companies, and the corporate managers, all of whom are driven by greed.

This probably won't happen in my lifetime...but it is coming.



--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:42:46 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:43:57 -0400, bpuharic wrote:


do you even have a clue what's happening to the american middle class?

The ones who know how to play the game are doing OK

IOW you're not middle class and dont have a clue

you don't have a clue unemployment is at 9.7%

you dont have a clue the middle class hasn't had an increase in wages
since 2000.

you dont have a clue the middle class loses its health insurance when
t hey lose their jobs

you just have your little $10 radio and you listen to rush. and he
tells you everything is OK 'cuz he makes $400M a year

as god intended

.. The ones who
trust their banker/broker to take good care of them are getting their
ass handed to them.

yeah go figure. for 30 years the right told us to trust wall street.
they told us that even social security should be turned over to wall
street.

remember that little horror story that george bush tried to p ush?

how'd it work out?

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:50:13 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:57:38 -0400, hk
wrote:


You're really oversimplifying here, my friend. There are tens of
millions of Americans who are suffering as a result of the Bush Deep
Recession, and most of them were not "involved" in any significant way

I was just referring to BP who still seems to have his job.


with no pay increase in 2 years.

it's a trend. the rich take ALL the money. including middle class
401k's AND then make the middle class bail 'em out.

and righties like you tell the middle class we should be grateful to
the rich 'cuz they're rich


As far as I am concerned, this crash is just the blowback from what we
did to recover from the 90s slashing of good tech jobs. They tried to
rebuild the economy on houses that nobody really needed. The
government created and allowed the financial community to create about
$2 trillion in phony money to fuel this quest for more houses nobody
lived in. That folly was doomed to fail the first time a person
couldn't sell a house for more than they owed on it.
You can blame that on Bush if you want but there were plenty of
Democrats on that bus.

agreed. but the right thinks obama ONLY is responsible, not
recognizing that socialism for the rich is an economy killer

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On 26/04/2010 9:57 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/26/10 11:42 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:43:57 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:57:04 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:48:19 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:35:57 -0400, wrote:


BP doesn't understand, half his 401k profits were taken before he
ever
even saw them by fund managers who churned the holdings to increase
fees.

so you say.

any other fairy tales you want to spin? you're not doing so well with
this one.

desperation is a poor motive for your type of myth

Do you even have a clue about what your 401k managers are charging
you?
Hint, it is not on your statement.

do you even have a clue what's happening to the american middle class?

The ones who know how to play the game are doing OK. The ones who
trust their banker/broker to take good care of them are getting their
ass handed to them.

You're really oversimplifying here, my friend. There are tens of
millions of Americans who are suffering as a result of the Bush Deep
Recession, and most of them were not "involved" in any significant way
with bankers or brokers. To paraphrase Woodie Guthrie, they've been
tractored out of their jobs, and for many there will never be a job as
good as the one corporate management lost for them.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a massive social upheaval in this
country, and I don't mean by the soft-brained teabaggers, but by
formerly middle class Americans who have been ****ed out of their jobs,
their homes, their health insurance, the college education for their
children and their retirement. And who should be the target of their
wrath? The pols, the wall street bankers and brokers, the insurance
companies, and the corporate managers, all of whom are driven by greed.

This probably won't happen in my lifetime...but it is coming.

Funny how unemployement looked pretty good until 6-10 months after the
2006 democratic congress.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

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On 26/04/2010 4:06 PM, bpuharic wrote:

it's a trend. the rich take ALL the money. including middle class
401k's AND then make the middle class bail 'em out.

Good part about that is you can then whine about your your short comings.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:41:27 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 26/04/2010 4:06 PM, bpuharic wrote:

it's a trend. the rich take ALL the money. including middle class
401k's AND then make the middle class bail 'em out.

Good part about that is you can then whine about your your short comings.

we can also gut the rich like a fish, as they've done to us.

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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:40:11 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 26/04/2010 9:57 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/26/10 11:42 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:43:57 -0400, wrote:

This probably won't happen in my lifetime...but it is coming.

Funny how unemployement looked pretty good until 6-10 months after the
2006 democratic congress.

you mean when 30 years of right wing friedman monetarist capitalism
caught up with the country?

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:05:41 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 18:03:41 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:42:46 -0400, wrote:


yeah go figure. for 30 years the right told us to trust wall street.
they told us that even social security should be turned over to wall
street.

remember that little horror story that george bush tried to p ush?

how'd it work out?

Over 30 years? It worked out great.

for whom? the middle class that didn't get a raise in this time? that
has to shop at wal mart to make ends meet?

yeah. worked out great for wal mart

The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.

thanks to obama,

You have your panties in a wad over a 2 year correction that has
recovered most of what it lost. If you were selective in your holding
you are doing quite a bit better than you were 5 years ago.

wow. i'm 55 now. i can retire at 70 instead of 65

great

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:50:57 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:12:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.

thanks to obama,


Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's still
bush's depression

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:50:57 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:12:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.

thanks to obama,


Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's still
bush's depression


Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his depression.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
...

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:50:57 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:12:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.

thanks to obama,


Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's still
bush's depression


Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his depression.



Two years?? I guess April really means January in gibberish.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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On Apr 28, 12:16*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message

...





"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:50:57 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:12:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.

thanks to obama,

Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's still
bush's depression

Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. *Is now his depression.

Two years?? I guess April really means January in gibberish.

--
Nom=de=Plume

To you, D'Plume, it probably does.

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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
...
On Apr 28, 12:16 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message

...





"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:50:57 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:12:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.

thanks to obama,

Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's still
bush's depression

Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his depression.

Two years?? I guess April really means January in gibberish.

--
Nom=de=Plume

To you, D'Plume, it probably does.


You're just as much an idiot if you think Obama has been president for two
years. Well, back to ignoring your posts...

--
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:01:43 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:50:57 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:12:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.

thanks to obama,


Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's still
bush's depression


Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his depression.

the cause wasn't his; the cure is

and it's working

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On 4/28/10 6:17 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:01:43 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:50:57 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:12:51 -0400, wrote:

The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.

thanks to obama,


Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's still
bush's depression


Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his depression.

the cause wasn't his; the cure is

and it's working



You're dealing with "McKee Think" here, which is, of course, the
opposite of think. Obama inherited an economy that was being flushed
down the crapper with tremendous force. It took Herculean efforts to
first slow that decline, which Obama seems to have done, and now we can
concentrate on trying to reverse some of the effects of the Great Bush
Recession. This is going to take years.

The Bush-GOP legacy...a near depression, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, a
drop in U.S. prestige around the world, the aftermath of Katrina, a
severely divided nation, and, of course, attacks on civil liberties.

Thanks, Dubya.



--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

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Bill McKee wrote:
"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:50:57 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:12:51 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.
thanks to obama,

Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000
if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's still
bush's depression


Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his depression.

More like 4 years if you count the campaigning.
That has an effect on things too.
And don't forget he was in the Dem controlled Senate.

Jim - Don't expect a lib to be able to count.

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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 06:41:50 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 4/28/10 6:17 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:01:43 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


the cause wasn't his; the cure is

and it's working



You're dealing with "McKee Think" here, which is, of course, the
opposite of think. Obama inherited an economy that was being flushed
down the crapper with tremendous force. It took Herculean efforts to
first slow that decline, which Obama seems to have done, and now we can
concentrate on trying to reverse some of the effects of the Great Bush
Recession. This is going to take years.

The Bush-GOP legacy...a near depression, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, a
drop in U.S. prestige around the world, the aftermath of Katrina, a
severely divided nation, and, of course, attacks on civil liberties.

Thanks, Dubya.

yep. and 60% of americans blame bush. they're not fooled. only the far
right is:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the...democrats.html

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The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.

thanks to obama,

Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's still
bush's depression

Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his depression.

Two years?? I guess April really means January in gibberish.

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To you, D'Plume, it probably does.


You're just as much an idiot if you think Obama has been president for
two years. Well, back to ignoring your posts...

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Nope he is in his 2nd year. And the Financial Reform bill as written
sucks. Basically does not break up the the Too Big to Fail banks.
Provides a $50 billion bailout fund if they go ape**** again. Protects
Wall Street from harm. Bad bill.



As usual, you change your tune when you're caught lying or being stupid. You
didn't say in his second year. You said, "in control for two years." There's
a big difference. And, yes, you're an idiot.


If he's such an idiot, why are you talking at him?

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The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.

thanks to obama,

Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's still
bush's depression

Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his depression.

Two years?? I guess April really means January in gibberish.

--
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To you, D'Plume, it probably does.


You're just as much an idiot if you think Obama has been president for
two years. Well, back to ignoring your posts...

--
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Nope he is in his 2nd year. And the Financial Reform bill as written
sucks. Basically does not break up the the Too Big to Fail banks.
Provides a $50 billion bailout fund if they go ape**** again. Protects
Wall Street from harm. Bad bill.



As usual, you change your tune when you're caught lying or being stupid.
You
didn't say in his second year. You said, "in control for two years."
There's
a big difference. And, yes, you're an idiot.


If he's such an idiot, why are you talking at him?


Sometimes I volunteer to feed the homeless. I believe in charity. If I'm
such a terrible person, why are you bothering with me?

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wrote:

The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.

thanks to obama,

Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's still
bush's depression

Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his depression.

Two years?? I guess April really means January in gibberish.

--
Nom=de=Plume

To you, D'Plume, it probably does.


You're just as much an idiot if you think Obama has been president for
two years. Well, back to ignoring your posts...

--
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Nope he is in his 2nd year. And the Financial Reform bill as written
sucks. Basically does not break up the the Too Big to Fail banks.
Provides a $50 billion bailout fund if they go ape**** again. Protects
Wall Street from harm. Bad bill.



As usual, you change your tune when you're caught lying or being stupid.
You
didn't say in his second year. You said, "in control for two years."
There's
a big difference. And, yes, you're an idiot.


If he's such an idiot, why are you talking at him?


Sometimes I volunteer to feed the homeless. I believe in charity. If I'm
such a terrible person, why are you bothering with me?


Because you are a terrible person. I can't help myself. I don't like
bugs or weeds either.

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The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.

thanks to obama,

Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's still
bush's depression

Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his depression.

Two years?? I guess April really means January in gibberish.

--
Nom=de=Plume

To you, D'Plume, it probably does.


You're just as much an idiot if you think Obama has been president
for
two years. Well, back to ignoring your posts...

--
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Nope he is in his 2nd year. And the Financial Reform bill as written
sucks. Basically does not break up the the Too Big to Fail banks.
Provides a $50 billion bailout fund if they go ape**** again.
Protects
Wall Street from harm. Bad bill.



As usual, you change your tune when you're caught lying or being
stupid.
You
didn't say in his second year. You said, "in control for two years."
There's
a big difference. And, yes, you're an idiot.


If he's such an idiot, why are you talking at him?


Sometimes I volunteer to feed the homeless. I believe in charity. If I'm
such a terrible person, why are you bothering with me?


Because you are a terrible person. I can't help myself. I don't like bugs
or weeds either.


If you don't like bugs or weeds, I'd suggest hiring pest control and a
gardener.

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The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right now.

thanks to obama,

Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's still
bush's depression

Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his depression.

Two years?? I guess April really means January in gibberish.

--
Nom=de=Plume

To you, D'Plume, it probably does.


You're just as much an idiot if you think Obama has been president
for
two years. Well, back to ignoring your posts...

--
Nom=de=Plume


Nope he is in his 2nd year. And the Financial Reform bill as written
sucks. Basically does not break up the the Too Big to Fail banks.
Provides a $50 billion bailout fund if they go ape**** again.
Protects
Wall Street from harm. Bad bill.



As usual, you change your tune when you're caught lying or being
stupid.
You
didn't say in his second year. You said, "in control for two years."
There's
a big difference. And, yes, you're an idiot.


If he's such an idiot, why are you talking at him?


Sometimes I volunteer to feed the homeless. I believe in charity. If I'm
such a terrible person, why are you bothering with me?


Because you are a terrible person. I can't help myself. I don't like bugs
or weeds either.


If you don't like bugs or weeds, I'd suggest hiring pest control and a
gardener.


What for? I'm not helpless like Hairy, you know.

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The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right
now.

thanks to obama,

Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's
still
bush's depression

Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his
depression.

Two years?? I guess April really means January in gibberish.

--
Nom=de=Plume

To you, D'Plume, it probably does.


You're just as much an idiot if you think Obama has been president
for
two years. Well, back to ignoring your posts...

--
Nom=de=Plume


Nope he is in his 2nd year. And the Financial Reform bill as
written
sucks. Basically does not break up the the Too Big to Fail banks.
Provides a $50 billion bailout fund if they go ape**** again.
Protects
Wall Street from harm. Bad bill.



As usual, you change your tune when you're caught lying or being
stupid.
You
didn't say in his second year. You said, "in control for two years."
There's
a big difference. And, yes, you're an idiot.


If he's such an idiot, why are you talking at him?


Sometimes I volunteer to feed the homeless. I believe in charity. If
I'm
such a terrible person, why are you bothering with me?


Because you are a terrible person. I can't help myself. I don't like
bugs
or weeds either.


If you don't like bugs or weeds, I'd suggest hiring pest control and a
gardener.


What for? I'm not helpless like Hairy, you know.


Blank = anon-e-moose ??

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The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right
now.

thanks to obama,

Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is 6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's
still
bush's depression

Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his
depression.

Two years?? I guess April really means January in gibberish.

--
Nom=de=Plume

To you, D'Plume, it probably does.


You're just as much an idiot if you think Obama has been president
for
two years. Well, back to ignoring your posts...

--
Nom=de=Plume


Nope he is in his 2nd year. And the Financial Reform bill as
written
sucks. Basically does not break up the the Too Big to Fail banks.
Provides a $50 billion bailout fund if they go ape**** again.
Protects
Wall Street from harm. Bad bill.



As usual, you change your tune when you're caught lying or being
stupid.
You
didn't say in his second year. You said, "in control for two years."
There's
a big difference. And, yes, you're an idiot.


If he's such an idiot, why are you talking at him?


Sometimes I volunteer to feed the homeless. I believe in charity. If
I'm
such a terrible person, why are you bothering with me?


Because you are a terrible person. I can't help myself. I don't like
bugs
or weeds either.


If you don't like bugs or weeds, I'd suggest hiring pest control and a
gardener.


What for? I'm not helpless like Hairy, you know.


Blank = anon-e-moose ??


Do ya think? You're a genius, not.
What a pitiful urchin you are.

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The Dow was 1000 in 1980. It is flirting with 11,000 right
now.

thanks to obama,

Sure, if you are willing to blame him the next time it is
6000

if something he did has an effect, sure. but right now it's
still
bush's depression

Nope, Obama has been in control for 2 years. Is now his
depression.

Two years?? I guess April really means January in gibberish.

--
Nom=de=Plume

To you, D'Plume, it probably does.


You're just as much an idiot if you think Obama has been
president
for
two years. Well, back to ignoring your posts...

--
Nom=de=Plume


Nope he is in his 2nd year. And the Financial Reform bill as
written
sucks. Basically does not break up the the Too Big to Fail banks.
Provides a $50 billion bailout fund if they go ape**** again.
Protects
Wall Street from harm. Bad bill.



As usual, you change your tune when you're caught lying or being
stupid.
You
didn't say in his second year. You said, "in control for two
years."
There's
a big difference. And, yes, you're an idiot.


If he's such an idiot, why are you talking at him?


Sometimes I volunteer to feed the homeless. I believe in charity. If
I'm
such a terrible person, why are you bothering with me?


Because you are a terrible person. I can't help myself. I don't like
bugs
or weeds either.


If you don't like bugs or weeds, I'd suggest hiring pest control and a
gardener.


What for? I'm not helpless like Hairy, you know.


Blank = anon-e-moose ??


Do ya think? You're a genius, not.
What a pitiful urchin you are.


You're a stalker. Keep replying to every post I make if it makes you feel
like more of a man. You are a man, right? Because it's hard to tell.

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In article ,
says...

On 4/25/10 8:18 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:47:49 -0400,
wrote:

I agree that here is certainly a casino aspect to Wall Street
but if you play the game and lose you can't immediately assume the
game must be crooked. For every loser there is a winner. In this case
it was the people who shorted the housing market. The liberal hero
George Soros made a ****load of money in this crash and took an
inordinate amount of TARP money from his AIG positions.

Your post assumes a modicum of honesty on the part of those who control
Wall Street. Ha! The game is crooked.

It all depends on what you mean by "honest".
If you are saying honest means your books are in order and the
transactions are somewhat transparent then they are mostly honest.
There are plenty of swarmy things going on that are legal and
"honest". That doesn't necessarily mean they are moral or ethical.



I don't trust the books, the outside bookkeepers, the brokerage houses,
or the bankers. In the good old days, you could trust the outside
certified auditors to reasonably and fairly present the books of a large
corporation. These days, there's not much difference between the crooks
who rob you with a six gun and the ones who rob you with a fountain
pen/computer keyboard.

Just like the mob robbing union pension funds.

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On 5/1/10 10:04 AM, BAR wrote:
In articleu5SdnenQD8nkQEnWnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@earthlink .com,
says...

On 4/25/10 8:18 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:47:49 -0400,
wrote:

I agree that here is certainly a casino aspect to Wall Street
but if you play the game and lose you can't immediately assume the
game must be crooked. For every loser there is a winner. In this case
it was the people who shorted the housing market. The liberal hero
George Soros made a ****load of money in this crash and took an
inordinate amount of TARP money from his AIG positions.

Your post assumes a modicum of honesty on the part of those who control
Wall Street. Ha! The game is crooked.

It all depends on what you mean by "honest".
If you are saying honest means your books are in order and the
transactions are somewhat transparent then they are mostly honest.
There are plenty of swarmy things going on that are legal and
"honest". That doesn't necessarily mean they are moral or ethical.



I don't trust the books, the outside bookkeepers, the brokerage houses,
or the bankers. In the good old days, you could trust the outside
certified auditors to reasonably and fairly present the books of a large
corporation. These days, there's not much difference between the crooks
who rob you with a six gun and the ones who rob you with a fountain
pen/computer keyboard.

Just like the mob robbing union pension funds.



Sorry, Bertbrain, but i'm not aware of any recent cases of "the mob"
robbing union pension funds, other than, of course, your wall street "mob"

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