"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"hk" wrote in message
m...
On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote:

Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I
doubt
anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right?

After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels,
bailing
out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right?

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/





The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it
gets
everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30%
(or
less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any
signifigant
amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us.



Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in
the
USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada.

Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying
teabaggers...the bull**** news network.

What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a
huge
increase in revenue from the sheeples?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax


First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it,
wouldn't
apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it
were.

Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your
points
when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is
extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his
predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to
work.
The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush
recession.

Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth.

Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a
debt
monger.

US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have
to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana
shopping,
guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT.

Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out
that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing.


I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and
Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to
help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife
and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or
another.

If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the
future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid
decisions you've made in live.


If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the
job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's problem
is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush
overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more
than opening up a 2nd front in the war.



Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me
guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class.

Nice slam on Bush though...

--
Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked
up the spending 2-3x. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for
the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? How about cutting
spending to GM. They just paid back a 5 billion buck loan with interest.
Where did the pay back money come from? Serious question! It came from
TARP money. So paying back a loan with another loan. We the people own
60% of new GM. The present people in power say we will get all our money
back when GM goes public again. That would take a capitalization of $50
billion dollars. GM stock was never worth that much when they were
successful. And 80% would still not return the $80 billion or so we took
off the GM books. Cut Goldman Sachs 150% Let them fold. Demand back
every bit of money we lent them. If they can pay $6+ billion in bonus
money with our taxpayer paid funds, we can demand back all the money and a
penalty for screwing us. Stop spending a couple million here, a couple
million there on some of the asinine research the government is funding
these days. We can not afford some of these items. Why are we funding
the arts through the Federal government? KILL the NEA! Is not a Federal
government function. Lot of cutting with out cutting vital programs to
the poor. Cut back on the Education Bureau. Was not even a federal
deptpartment until 1974. Now it controls most money for education in the
USA. And only charges a 20-25% handling fee for sending the money back to
the states with strings attached. Where would you and your clone HK cut
the overspending? Even you must have some tolerable ideas about reducing
government costs. Cut unemployment extensions. Save money and give
incentives to work.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...952375172.html



You're really looney. We the people are on track to make a profit from the
GM ownership. That must be a bummer for you.

Let Goldman fold, but don't break up big banks. Throw millions more out of
work. Sounds like your typical right-wing bs to me.

Forget the arts, forget education. If you can't afford to go to school, too
bad. Forget unemployment insurance... those people don't have to eat.

Let's start with PayGo. Oh wait, the Republicans aren't interested.


--
Nom=de=Plume

On 23/04/2010 11:40 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
m...
On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote:

Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I
doubt
anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right?

After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels,
bailing
out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right?

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/





The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it
gets
everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30%
(or
less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any
signifigant
amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us.



Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in
the
USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada.

Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying
teabaggers...the bull**** news network.

What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a
huge
increase in revenue from the sheeples?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax


First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it,
wouldn't
apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it
were.

Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your
points
when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is
extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his
predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to
work.
The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush
recession.

Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth.

Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a
debt
monger.

US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have
to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana
shopping,
guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT.

Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out
that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing.


I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and
Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to
help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife
and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or
another.

If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the
future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid
decisions you've made in live.


If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the
job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's problem
is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush
overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more
than opening up a 2nd front in the war.



Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me
guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class.

Nice slam on Bush though...

--
Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked
up the spending 2-3x. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for
the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? How about cutting
spending to GM. They just paid back a 5 billion buck loan with interest.
Where did the pay back money come from? Serious question! It came from
TARP money. So paying back a loan with another loan. We the people own
60% of new GM. The present people in power say we will get all our money
back when GM goes public again. That would take a capitalization of $50
billion dollars. GM stock was never worth that much when they were
successful. And 80% would still not return the $80 billion or so we took
off the GM books. Cut Goldman Sachs 150% Let them fold. Demand back
every bit of money we lent them. If they can pay $6+ billion in bonus
money with our taxpayer paid funds, we can demand back all the money and a
penalty for screwing us. Stop spending a couple million here, a couple
million there on some of the asinine research the government is funding
these days. We can not afford some of these items. Why are we funding
the arts through the Federal government? KILL the NEA! Is not a Federal
government function. Lot of cutting with out cutting vital programs to
the poor. Cut back on the Education Bureau. Was not even a federal
deptpartment until 1974. Now it controls most money for education in the
USA. And only charges a 20-25% handling fee for sending the money back to
the states with strings attached. Where would you and your clone HK cut
the overspending? Even you must have some tolerable ideas about reducing
government costs. Cut unemployment extensions. Save money and give
incentives to work.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...952375172.html



You're really looney. We the people are on track to make a profit from the
GM ownership. That must be a bummer for you.

Wiping out $177 billion in capital, and losing $4.8 billion or so
recently, you call that progress?

Let Goldman fold, but don't break up big banks. Throw millions more out of
work. Sounds like your typical right-wing bs to me.

Good part about Goldman is this is a PR pony show for your appeasement.
Obama can't take Goldman down for some big reasons. First is Goldman
did what the governemnt wanted in this corruption and has the real
inside on Obamanomics corruption. If Obama squeezes too hard, Goldman
goes public. Second reason is Goldman, like Carlyle and Cerberus are
lined with rich that would turn on Obama.

So what does Obama do? Shoot the mouth off, make good PR he is control
while all along some small piddly fine will be sent to Goldman to look good.

Forget the arts, forget education. If you can't afford to go to school, too
bad. Forget unemployment insurance... those people don't have to eat.

Let's start with PayGo. Oh wait, the Republicans aren't interested.

In the end, it will be pay as you go. With or without Rep/Dem

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:01:02 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


Good part about Goldman is this is a PR pony show for your appeasement.
Obama can't take Goldman down for some big reasons. First is Goldman
did what the governemnt wanted in this corruption and has the real
inside on Obamanomics corruption. If Obama squeezes too hard, Goldman
goes public. Second reason is Goldman, like Carlyle and Cerberus are
lined with rich that would turn on Obama.

ever get the idea 'canuck' has never taken a business law course? that
he doesn't know 'piercing the corporate veil' is almost impossible?
that laws written before obama was BORN protect the rich?

he's an economic cripple

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:01:02 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


Good part about Goldman is this is a PR pony show for your appeasement.
Obama can't take Goldman down for some big reasons. First is Goldman
did what the governemnt wanted in this corruption and has the real
inside on Obamanomics corruption. If Obama squeezes too hard, Goldman
goes public. Second reason is Goldman, like Carlyle and Cerberus are
lined with rich that would turn on Obama.

ever get the idea 'canuck' has never taken a business law course? that
he doesn't know 'piercing the corporate veil' is almost impossible?
that laws written before obama was BORN protect the rich?

he's an economic cripple



I doubt he's ever taken anything resembling a college course, no less a
business or law course.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:51:12 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:01:02 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:


Good part about Goldman is this is a PR pony show for your appeasement.
Obama can't take Goldman down for some big reasons. First is Goldman
did what the governemnt wanted in this corruption and has the real
inside on Obamanomics corruption. If Obama squeezes too hard, Goldman
goes public. Second reason is Goldman, like Carlyle and Cerberus are
lined with rich that would turn on Obama.

ever get the idea 'canuck' has never taken a business law course? that
he doesn't know 'piercing the corporate veil' is almost impossible?
that laws written before obama was BORN protect the rich?

he's an economic cripple



I doubt he's ever taken anything resembling a college course, no less a
business or law course.

everything he writes is right wing cliches. i haven't seen a single,
coherent argument from his at all.

it would be useless to even review this stuff with him if he didn't
represent millions of backwards, uneducated thugs who call themselves
'teabaggers'.

pathetic. truly pathetic.

On Apr 24, 1:00*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:51:12 -0700, "nom=de=plume"



wrote:
"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:01:02 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

Good part about Goldman is this is a PR pony show for your appeasement..
*Obama can't take Goldman down for some big reasons. *First is Goldman
did what the governemnt wanted in this corruption and has the real
inside on Obamanomics corruption. *If Obama squeezes too hard, Goldman
goes public. *Second reason is Goldman, like Carlyle and Cerberus are
lined with rich that would turn on Obama.

ever get the idea 'canuck' has never taken a business law course? that
he doesn't know 'piercing the corporate veil' is almost impossible?
that laws written before obama was BORN protect the rich?

he's an economic cripple

I doubt he's ever taken anything resembling a college course, no less a
business or law course.

everything he writes is right wing cliches. i haven't seen a single,
coherent argument from his at all.

it would be useless to even review this stuff with him if he didn't
represent millions of backwards, uneducated thugs who call themselves
'teabaggers'.

pathetic. truly pathetic.

Herr Krause writes nothing but left wing cliche's. I haven't seen a
single, coherent argument from his at all. But it's obvious you
approve of those.

pathetic. truly pathetic.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT), TopBassDog
wrote:

On Apr 24, 1:00*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:51:12 -0700, "nom=de=plume"



I doubt he's ever taken anything resembling a college course, no less a
business or law course.

everything he writes is right wing cliches. i haven't seen a single,
coherent argument from his at all.

it would be useless to even review this stuff with him if he didn't
represent millions of backwards, uneducated thugs who call themselves
'teabaggers'.

pathetic. truly pathetic.

Herr Krause writes nothing but left wing cliche's. I haven't seen a
single, coherent argument from his at all. But it's obvious you
approve of those.

pathetic. truly pathetic.

you be sure and let me know how canuck's right wing view of the
solution to our economic problems worked out in '29,

m'kay?

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"hk" wrote in message
m...
On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote:

Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career,
I
doubt
anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right?

After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels,
bailing
out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right?

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/





The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it
gets
everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30%
(or
less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any
signifigant
amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us.



Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed
in the
USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada.

Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying
teabaggers...the bull**** news network.

What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a
huge
increase in revenue from the sheeples?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax


First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it,
wouldn't
apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it
were.

Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your
points
when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is
extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his
predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to
work.
The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush
recession.

Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth.

Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a
debt
monger.

US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not
have
to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana
shopping,
guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT.

Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find
out
that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing.


I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and
Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to
help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife
and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or
another.

If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the
future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid
decisions you've made in live.


If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do
the job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's
problem is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush
overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more
than opening up a 2nd front in the war.



Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me
guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class.

Nice slam on Bush though...

--
Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked
up the spending 2-3x. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for
the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? How about cutting
spending to GM. They just paid back a 5 billion buck loan with interest.
Where did the pay back money come from? Serious question! It came from
TARP money. So paying back a loan with another loan. We the people own
60% of new GM. The present people in power say we will get all our money
back when GM goes public again. That would take a capitalization of $50
billion dollars. GM stock was never worth that much when they were
successful. And 80% would still not return the $80 billion or so we took
off the GM books. Cut Goldman Sachs 150% Let them fold. Demand back
every bit of money we lent them. If they can pay $6+ billion in bonus
money with our taxpayer paid funds, we can demand back all the money and
a penalty for screwing us. Stop spending a couple million here, a couple
million there on some of the asinine research the government is funding
these days. We can not afford some of these items. Why are we funding
the arts through the Federal government? KILL the NEA! Is not a Federal
government function. Lot of cutting with out cutting vital programs to
the poor. Cut back on the Education Bureau. Was not even a federal
deptpartment until 1974. Now it controls most money for education in the
USA. And only charges a 20-25% handling fee for sending the money back
to the states with strings attached. Where would you and your clone HK
cut the overspending? Even you must have some tolerable ideas about
reducing government costs. Cut unemployment extensions. Save money and
give incentives to work.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...952375172.html



You're really looney. We the people are on track to make a profit from the
GM ownership. That must be a bummer for you.

Let Goldman fold, but don't break up big banks. Throw millions more out of
work. Sounds like your typical right-wing bs to me.

Forget the arts, forget education. If you can't afford to go to school,
too bad. Forget unemployment insurance... those people don't have to eat.

Let's start with PayGo. Oh wait, the Republicans aren't interested.


--
Nom=de=Plume


You are completely loony. Answer the question that I posed to BP. Not some
asinine talking points. Where the hell we the people going to make a profit
on GM? When it goes public? What would the capitalization have to be fore
use to break even. I did not say kill education. I said kill the US Dept
of Education. Killing it would instantly give a 20% raise in money
available to local schools. We could get rid of a lot of asinine rules.
Rules that have nothing to do with educating the children. Just make a law
that all schools have to be funded equally per student in a state. They
have to teach the 3 R's. You a fail to have a decent graduation rate, the
teachers and administrators are fired. Easy. The kids do not show up for
class, they are taken off the rolls and banned from them and their families
receiving welfare. Ever. You fail to get at least a GED, no public
assistance. Where is there a Federal responsibility to fund the arts? Why
should the San Francisco opera get Federal money? Same for a symphony in
Houston or Fargo?

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:34:47 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"nom=de=plume" wrote in message


Let's start with PayGo. Oh wait, the Republicans aren't interested.


--
Nom=de=Plume


You are completely loony. Answer the question that I posed to BP. Not some
asinine talking points. Where the hell we the people going to make a profit
on GM?

let's see...we spent 25B on GM. 180B on AIG

yet the right focuses on labor union GM rather than the rich guys at
AIG...bankrolled by another rich guy firm, goldman sachs
You fail to get at least a GED, no public
assistance. Where is there a Federal responsibility to fund the arts? Why
should the San Francisco opera get Federal money? Same for a symphony in
Houston or Fargo?

some of us think america should have cultural values. kind of like
some right wingers think moral values should be imposed by the police.
but liberals dont want police to force anyone to the symphony...or to
have govt regulated sex, like conservatives think we should

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

"hk" wrote in message
m...
On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote:

Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career,
I
doubt
anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right?

After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels,
bailing
out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right?

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/





The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it
gets
everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30%
(or
less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any
signifigant
amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us.



Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed
in the
USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada.

Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying
teabaggers...the bull**** news network.

What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want
a huge
increase in revenue from the sheeples?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax


First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it,
wouldn't
apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it
were.

Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your
points
when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is
extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his
predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to
work.
The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush
recession.

Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth.

Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a
debt
monger.

US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not
have
to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana
shopping,
guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT.

Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find
out
that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing.


I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush
and Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in
order to help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark
hole. My wife and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in
one form or another.

If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the
future, you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid
decisions you've made in live.


If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do
the job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's
problem is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush
overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more
than opening up a 2nd front in the war.



Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me
guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class.

Nice slam on Bush though...

--
Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked
up the spending 2-3x. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits
for the next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? How about
cutting spending to GM. They just paid back a 5 billion buck loan with
interest. Where did the pay back money come from? Serious question! It
came from TARP money. So paying back a loan with another loan. We the
people own 60% of new GM. The present people in power say we will get
all our money back when GM goes public again. That would take a
capitalization of $50 billion dollars. GM stock was never worth that
much when they were successful. And 80% would still not return the $80
billion or so we took off the GM books. Cut Goldman Sachs 150% Let
them fold. Demand back every bit of money we lent them. If they can
pay $6+ billion in bonus money with our taxpayer paid funds, we can
demand back all the money and a penalty for screwing us. Stop spending a
couple million here, a couple million there on some of the asinine
research the government is funding these days. We can not afford some
of these items. Why are we funding the arts through the Federal
government? KILL the NEA! Is not a Federal government function. Lot
of cutting with out cutting vital programs to the poor. Cut back on the
Education Bureau. Was not even a federal deptpartment until 1974. Now
it controls most money for education in the USA. And only charges a
20-25% handling fee for sending the money back to the states with
strings attached. Where would you and your clone HK cut the
overspending? Even you must have some tolerable ideas about reducing
government costs. Cut unemployment extensions. Save money and give
incentives to work.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...952375172.html



You're really looney. We the people are on track to make a profit from
the GM ownership. That must be a bummer for you.

Let Goldman fold, but don't break up big banks. Throw millions more out
of work. Sounds like your typical right-wing bs to me.

Forget the arts, forget education. If you can't afford to go to school,
too bad. Forget unemployment insurance... those people don't have to eat.

Let's start with PayGo. Oh wait, the Republicans aren't interested.


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You are completely loony. Answer the question that I posed to BP. Not
some asinine talking points. Where the hell we the people going to make a
profit on GM? When it goes public? What would the capitalization have to
be fore use to break even. I did not say kill education. I said kill the
US Dept of Education. Killing it would instantly give a 20% raise in
money available to local schools. We could get rid of a lot of asinine
rules. Rules that have nothing to do with educating the children. Just
make a law that all schools have to be funded equally per student in a
state. They have to teach the 3 R's. You a fail to have a decent
graduation rate, the teachers and administrators are fired. Easy. The
kids do not show up for class, they are taken off the rolls and banned
from them and their families receiving welfare. Ever. You fail to get at
least a GED, no public assistance. Where is there a Federal
responsibility to fund the arts? Why should the San Francisco opera get
Federal money? Same for a symphony in Houston or Fargo?



Look it up yourself if you're able. Chances are you're too stupid to do
that. Instead, listen to Rush.

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