On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example,
Japan is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt
defaults, they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And
sovern debt unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in defunct
debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation to
be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example, Japan
is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt defaults,
they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt
unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


Fortunately, you're not part of our society.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On 23/04/2010 11:41 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in defunct
debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation to
be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example, Japan
is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt defaults,
they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt
unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


Fortunately, you're not part of our society.

Yep.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 11:41 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has
kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct
debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to
be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example,
Japan
is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt
defaults,
they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt
unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


Fortunately, you're not part of our society.

Yep.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


So, basically, you have no skin in this game. So, you have no standing.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On 24/04/2010 11:49 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 11:41 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has
kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct
debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to
be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example,
Japan
is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt
defaults,
they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt
unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


Fortunately, you're not part of our society.

Yep.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


So, basically, you have no skin in this game. So, you have no standing.

I have skin in the game.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 24/04/2010 11:49 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 11:41 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has
kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct
debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2
of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off
hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get
worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad
situation
to
be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example,
Japan
is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt
defaults,
they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern
debt
unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


Fortunately, you're not part of our society.

Yep.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


So, basically, you have no skin in this game. So, you have no standing.

I have skin in the game.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


Nope. You don't even get to enter the US. You're just grousing. All wind,
hot all the time.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:17:14 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:




what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to be in.

gee. we managed it in ww2. your complaint is that the middle class
isnt suffering enough. you're happy with the fact the rich are rich.
you just h ate the middle class

On 24/04/2010 4:39 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:17:14 -0600,
wrote:

On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:




what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to be in.

gee. we managed it in ww2. your complaint is that the middle class
isnt suffering enough. you're happy with the fact the rich are rich.
you just h ate the middle class

Money is attracted to those that know how to management money. It isn't
attracted to those that money managements them.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:38:36 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/04/2010 4:39 AM, bpuharic wrote:


Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to be in.

gee. we managed it in ww2. your complaint is that the middle class
isnt suffering enough. you're happy with the fact the rich are rich.
you just h ate the middle class

Money is attracted to those that know how to management money. =

more right wing fairy tale bull****. you really believe this stuff,
dont you?

On 24/04/2010 8:14 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:38:36 -0600,
wrote:

On 24/04/2010 4:39 AM, bpuharic wrote:


Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to be in.

gee. we managed it in ww2. your complaint is that the middle class
isnt suffering enough. you're happy with the fact the rich are rich.
you just h ate the middle class

Money is attracted to those that know how to management money. =

more right wing fairy tale bull****. you really believe this stuff,
dont you?

Yep.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.