"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"hk" wrote in message
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On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote:

Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I
doubt
anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right?

After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels,
bailing
out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right?

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/





The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it
gets
everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or
less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any
signifigant
amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us.



Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in
the
USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada.

Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying
teabaggers...the bull**** news network.

What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a
huge
increase in revenue from the sheeples?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax


First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't
apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were.

Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points
when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is
extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his
predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to
work.
The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush
recession.

Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth.

Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt
monger.

US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have
to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping,
guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT.

Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out
that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing.


I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and
Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to
help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife
and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or
another.

If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future,
you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions
you've made in live.


If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the
job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's problem is
he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush overspending in
his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more than opening up a
2nd front in the war.



Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me
guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class.

Nice slam on Bush though...

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Nom=de=Plume

On 4/23/10 5:24 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
m...
On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote:

Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I
doubt
anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right?

After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels,
bailing
out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right?

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/





The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it
gets
everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or
less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any
signifigant
amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us.



Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in
the
USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada.

Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying
teabaggers...the bull**** news network.

What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a
huge
increase in revenue from the sheeples?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax


First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't
apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were.

Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your points
when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is
extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his
predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to
work.
The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush
recession.

Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth.

Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt
monger.

US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have
to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana shopping,
guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT.

Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out
that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing.


I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and
Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to
help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife
and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or
another.

If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future,
you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions
you've made in live.


If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the
job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's problem is
he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush overspending in
his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more than opening up a
2nd front in the war.



Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me
guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class.

Nice slam on Bush though...


The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage caused
by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I wasn't.


--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"hk" wrote in message
m...
On 4/23/10 11:26 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 8:29 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 10:21 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 7:48 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 9:42 AM, Canuck57 wrote:

Now if you lose 5% or 7% purchasing power over a working career, I
doubt
anyone would argue that it would buy a boat... right?

After all given Democat/Obama debt-spending is at record levels,
bailing
out the inept, lazy, corrupt comes at a cost right?

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/20...-tax-increase/





The big reason greedy big fat government likes VAT is simple, it
gets
everyone. Shares the pain. Instead of punitive taxes on the 30% (or
less) of those that work in non-governmetn jobs and pay any
signifigant
amout of taxes, it isn't limited to the 30%. It gets 100% of us.



Us? Why would you be subject to such a tax, *if* it were imposed in
the
USA? You're a Canadian, living in Canada.

Oh...and you're quoting from Faux News, the home of tea partying
teabaggers...the bull**** news network.

What? You don't believe big mouth debt spender Obama doesn't want a
huge
increase in revenue from the sheeples?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax


First, I asked why you used "us," since "us," as you used it, wouldn't
apply to Canadians living in Canada. You're not one of us, as it were.

Second, there's no need to even consider what you think are your
points
when you use terms like "big mouth debt spender Obama." Obama is
extricating this country from a terrific mess left him by his
predecessor. It looks like what he has done so far is beginning to
work.
The opposing party had no logical plan for bringing us out of Bush
recession.

Well, Obama talks a lot, big mouth.

Running into the second year of record debt spending makes Obama a debt
monger.

US government is hungry for your money, you are right, I will not have
to pay much of the US VAT. But I used to like going to Montana
shopping,
guess I had better go early this year as to avoid the US VAT.

Anyone who thought Obamanomics in and Obamanation is about to find out
that Obama isn't free, he is quite taxing.


I never thought repairing the damage caused by eight years of Bush and
Cheney would be free, and I thought our taxes would go up in order to
help pull this country out of the Bush-Cheney deep, dark hole. My wife
and I expect to be paying more in taxes next year, in one form or
another.

If you want to live in fear of a VAT that may be imposted in the future,
you go right ahead. It'll just be another entry on the stupid decisions
you've made in live.


If he wants to correct the Bush overspending, seems an odd way to do the
job. Should be cutting spending by the Fed's. Lots of Bush's problem
is he vetoed maybe 2 spending bills in the 8 years. And Bush
overspending in his 8 years is probably the major screwup. Even more
than opening up a 2nd front in the war.



Cutting what spending by the Fed? Specifically what? Oh wait, let me
guess... programs that help the poor and the middle class.

Nice slam on Bush though...

--
Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up
the spending 2-3x. They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault? How about cutting spending
to GM. They just paid back a 5 billion buck loan with interest. Where did
the pay back money come from? Serious question! It came from TARP money.
So paying back a loan with another loan. We the people own 60% of new GM.
The present people in power say we will get all our money back when GM goes
public again. That would take a capitalization of $50 billion dollars. GM
stock was never worth that much when they were successful. And 80% would
still not return the $80 billion or so we took off the GM books. Cut
Goldman Sachs 150% Let them fold. Demand back every bit of money we lent
them. If they can pay $6+ billion in bonus money with our taxpayer paid
funds, we can demand back all the money and a penalty for screwing us.
Stop spending a couple million here, a couple million there on some of the
asinine research the government is funding these days. We can not afford
some of these items. Why are we funding the arts through the Federal
government? KILL the NEA! Is not a Federal government function. Lot of
cutting with out cutting vital programs to the poor. Cut back on the
Education Bureau. Was not even a federal deptpartment until 1974. Now it
controls most money for education in the USA. And only charges a 20-25%
handling fee for sending the money back to the states with strings attached.
Where would you and your clone HK cut the overspending? Even you must have
some tolerable ideas about reducing government costs. Cut unemployment
extensions. Save money and give incentives to work.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...952375172.html

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example,
Japan is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt
defaults, they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And
sovern debt unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in defunct
debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation to
be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example, Japan
is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt defaults,
they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt
unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


Fortunately, you're not part of our society.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On 23/04/2010 11:41 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in defunct
debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation to
be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example, Japan
is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt defaults,
they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt
unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


Fortunately, you're not part of our society.

Yep.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 23/04/2010 11:41 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has
kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct
debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to
be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example,
Japan
is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt
defaults,
they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And sovern debt
unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


Fortunately, you're not part of our society.

Yep.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


So, basically, you have no skin in this game. So, you have no standing.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:17:14 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:




what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to be in.

gee. we managed it in ww2. your complaint is that the middle class
isnt suffering enough. you're happy with the fact the rich are rich.
you just h ate the middle class

On 24/04/2010 4:39 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:17:14 -0600,
wrote:

On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:




what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to be in.

gee. we managed it in ww2. your complaint is that the middle class
isnt suffering enough. you're happy with the fact the rich are rich.
you just h ate the middle class

Money is attracted to those that know how to management money. It isn't
attracted to those that money managements them.

--
Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.