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Realistic cruising under sail
On Apr 22, 7:51*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
One nice thing about the Volvos is that they were relatively easy to crank start by hand thanks to large fly wheels and a compression release lever. * The trick was to open the compression release, get the fly wheel spinning at a good clip with the crank, and then close the release lever. * The fly wheel had enough momentum to kick it over a few times and get the engine started. * Yeah, heavy flywheels. Like the old air cooled Lister-Petter diesels, It seemed like the flywheel weighed more than the whole rig. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... Even the best sailboat cannot sail much closer than 45 degrees to the wind so this means at least 1/4 of the time you cannot sail directly toward your destination (2*45 =90 which is 1/4 of 360). On a loaded cruising boat, you will be lucky to get to within 55 degrees of the wind so this eliminates 110 out of 360 degrees or 30%. Where I live, NO wind at least 1/2 the time leaving only 35% of the time you can sail toward your destination. About half the time while trying to cruise, you get short of time so you end up motoring directly toward your destination getting you down to 17.5% of the time you can sail directly toward your destination. Around here, roughly 30% of the time the widn is blowing, it is a thunderstorm or tropical storm getting you down to somewhere between 10 -13% of the time you can sail toward your destination. This is why cruising sailboats need adequate engines. Interesting numbers. Of course, out here the wind is pretty high I think. By adequate... what do you mean? It needs to power the boat in most conditions, but if you're offshore and there's wind, you're likely sailing right? I can see needing something adequate in the bay or on the coast. The link I found said the boat had a 50hp, which seems pretty good for a 42' boat. Perhaps fuel capacity is also an important issue... Perhaps? Well, again, if you're sailing and mostly relying on the wind, then the only time you need the engine is in/out of a harbor or charging batteries (and perhaps a couple of other uses like refridgeration). Seems to me if you're conservative about how you use the engine, then it might not be such a big deal. Then there are storms. |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... Even the best sailboat cannot sail much closer than 45 degrees to the wind so this means at least 1/4 of the time you cannot sail directly toward your destination (2*45 =90 which is 1/4 of 360). On a loaded cruising boat, you will be lucky to get to within 55 degrees of the wind so this eliminates 110 out of 360 degrees or 30%. Where I live, NO wind at least 1/2 the time leaving only 35% of the time you can sail toward your destination. About half the time while trying to cruise, you get short of time so you end up motoring directly toward your destination getting you down to 17.5% of the time you can sail directly toward your destination. Around here, roughly 30% of the time the widn is blowing, it is a thunderstorm or tropical storm getting you down to somewhere between 10 -13% of the time you can sail toward your destination. This is why cruising sailboats need adequate engines. Interesting numbers. Of course, out here the wind is pretty high I think. By adequate... what do you mean? It needs to power the boat in most conditions, but if you're offshore and there's wind, you're likely sailing right? I can see needing something adequate in the bay or on the coast. The link I found said the boat had a 50hp, which seems pretty good for a 42' boat. Perhaps fuel capacity is also an important issue... Perhaps? Well, again, if you're sailing and mostly relying on the wind, then the only time you need the engine is in/out of a harbor or charging batteries (and perhaps a couple of other uses like refridgeration). Seems to me if you're conservative about how you use the engine, then it might not be such a big deal. Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... Even the best sailboat cannot sail much closer than 45 degrees to the wind so this means at least 1/4 of the time you cannot sail directly toward your destination (2*45 =90 which is 1/4 of 360). On a loaded cruising boat, you will be lucky to get to within 55 degrees of the wind so this eliminates 110 out of 360 degrees or 30%. Where I live, NO wind at least 1/2 the time leaving only 35% of the time you can sail toward your destination. About half the time while trying to cruise, you get short of time so you end up motoring directly toward your destination getting you down to 17.5% of the time you can sail directly toward your destination. Around here, roughly 30% of the time the widn is blowing, it is a thunderstorm or tropical storm getting you down to somewhere between 10 -13% of the time you can sail toward your destination. This is why cruising sailboats need adequate engines. Interesting numbers. Of course, out here the wind is pretty high I think. By adequate... what do you mean? It needs to power the boat in most conditions, but if you're offshore and there's wind, you're likely sailing right? I can see needing something adequate in the bay or on the coast. The link I found said the boat had a 50hp, which seems pretty good for a 42' boat. Perhaps fuel capacity is also an important issue... Perhaps? Well, again, if you're sailing and mostly relying on the wind, then the only time you need the engine is in/out of a harbor or charging batteries (and perhaps a couple of other uses like refridgeration). Seems to me if you're conservative about how you use the engine, then it might not be such a big deal. Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. You have a lot to learn. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. |
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On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. |
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"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
... On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. I'm not a liar. Show me where I lied. You are starving for attention and loving every bit of it. |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. I'm not a liar. Show me where I lied. You are starving for attention and loving every bit of it. Already said. Sorry if you can't read that well. |
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On Apr 29, 11:02*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message ... On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: *wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: * wrote in message m... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" * wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. *Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. *Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. * This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. *A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. * There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress.. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. And you love it so, keep acting annoyed. |
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On 4/30/2010 12:51 AM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Apr 29, 11:02 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress.. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. And you love it so, keep acting annoyed. We should all stop posting to or about Plume at 8AM. The residual vacuum will suck Plume's brain out, with any luck. |
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"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
... On 4/30/2010 12:51 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Apr 29, 11:02 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress.. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. And you love it so, keep acting annoyed. We should all stop posting to or about Plume at 8AM. The residual vacuum will suck Plume's brain out, with any luck. Yes! You should. But, you can't. You're a wimp, coward, liar and stalker. |
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On Apr 30, 1:53*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message ... On 4/30/2010 12:51 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Apr 29, 11:02 am, *wrote: *wrote in message . .. On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: * *wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: * * wrote in message news:i06ft5l54t3127dsp5aqqnukdf8ge6ec2e@4ax .com... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" * * wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. *Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. *Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. * This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. *A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. * There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress.. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. And you love it so, keep acting annoyed. We should all stop posting to or about Plume at 8AM. The residual vacuum will suck Plume's brain out, with any luck. Yes! You should. But, you can't. You're a wimp, coward, liar and stalker.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've just described Harry to a tee!!! |
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On 4/30/2010 2:03 PM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 30, 1:53 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On 4/30/2010 12:51 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Apr 29, 11:02 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress.. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. And you love it so, keep acting annoyed. We should all stop posting to or about Plume at 8AM. The residual vacuum will suck Plume's brain out, with any luck. Yes! You should. But, you can't. You're a wimp, coward, liar and stalker.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've just described Harry to a tee!!! She did, didn't she. I wonder if she has made his aquaintance? |
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"Loogypicker" wrote in message
... On Apr 30, 1:53 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "anon-e-moose" wrote in message ... On 4/30/2010 12:51 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Apr 29, 11:02 am, wrote: wrote in message . .. On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message news:i06ft5l54t3127dsp5aqqnukdf8ge6ec2e@4ax .com... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress.. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. And you love it so, keep acting annoyed. We should all stop posting to or about Plume at 8AM. The residual vacuum will suck Plume's brain out, with any luck. Yes! You should. But, you can't. You're a wimp, coward, liar and stalker.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've just described Harry to a tee!!! Ok. Not sure what this has to do with anony... is he Harry? I don't think so. :) |
Realistic cruising under sail
"Loogypicker" wrote in message
... On Apr 30, 1:53 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "anon-e-moose" wrote in message ... On 4/30/2010 12:51 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Apr 29, 11:02 am, wrote: wrote in message . .. On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message news:i06ft5l54t3127dsp5aqqnukdf8ge6ec2e@4ax .com... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress.. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. And you love it so, keep acting annoyed. We should all stop posting to or about Plume at 8AM. The residual vacuum will suck Plume's brain out, with any luck. Yes! You should. But, you can't. You're a wimp, coward, liar and stalker.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've just described Harry to a tee!!! So, just curious... why the hatred of Harry? You accused me of hating someone, which I don't, but you're pretty antagonistic and seem to post a lot about him. Just wondering. I know he does similar, but I'm asking you. |
Realistic cruising under sail
On 4/30/10 4:31 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Apr 30, 1:53 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On 4/30/2010 12:51 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Apr 29, 11:02 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress.. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. And you love it so, keep acting annoyed. We should all stop posting to or about Plume at 8AM. The residual vacuum will suck Plume's brain out, with any luck. Yes! You should. But, you can't. You're a wimp, coward, liar and stalker.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've just described Harry to a tee!!! So, just curious... why the hatred of Harry? You accused me of hating someone, which I don't, but you're pretty antagonistic and seem to post a lot about him. Just wondering. I know he does similar, but I'm asking you. I used to stick up for loogy "back in the day," and only because he seemed to be politically moderate, as opposed to the plethora of right-wing scum that permeates this newsgroup. But after a while, I realized he was just another short-tempered little ****, always willing to go after others, whatever side of the spectrum they favored. He also reminds me a bit of a small child with a perseveration problem. He's threatened me and others here several times, and has threatened to show up here...even though he's been told he is not welcome. If he tries to bust into the house, he's going to go home in a body bag. At my age, I don't engage in fistfights with ****heads 20 or more years young...if I am under "assault" in the house, I have another way to handle the situation. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Realistic cruising under sail
hk wrote:
On 4/30/10 4:31 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 30, 1:53 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On 4/30/2010 12:51 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Apr 29, 11:02 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress.. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. And you love it so, keep acting annoyed. We should all stop posting to or about Plume at 8AM. The residual vacuum will suck Plume's brain out, with any luck. Yes! You should. But, you can't. You're a wimp, coward, liar and stalker.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've just described Harry to a tee!!! So, just curious... why the hatred of Harry? You accused me of hating someone, which I don't, but you're pretty antagonistic and seem to post a lot about him. Just wondering. I know he does similar, but I'm asking you. I used to stick up for loogy "back in the day," and only because he seemed to be politically moderate, as opposed to the plethora of right-wing scum that permeates this newsgroup. But after a while, I realized he was just another short-tempered little ****, always willing to go after others, whatever side of the spectrum they favored. He also reminds me a bit of a small child with a perseveration problem. He's threatened me and others here several times, and has threatened to show up here...even though he's been told he is not welcome. If he tries to bust into the house, he's going to go home in a body bag. At my age, I don't engage in fistfights with ****heads 20 or more years young...if I am under "assault" in the house, I have another way to handle the situation. You're a bad ass! That's some scary ****! |
Realistic cruising under sail
"hk" wrote in message ... On 4/30/10 4:31 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 30, 1:53 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On 4/30/2010 12:51 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Apr 29, 11:02 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress.. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. And you love it so, keep acting annoyed. We should all stop posting to or about Plume at 8AM. The residual vacuum will suck Plume's brain out, with any luck. Yes! You should. But, you can't. You're a wimp, coward, liar and stalker.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've just described Harry to a tee!!! So, just curious... why the hatred of Harry? You accused me of hating someone, which I don't, but you're pretty antagonistic and seem to post a lot about him. Just wondering. I know he does similar, but I'm asking you. I used to stick up for loogy "back in the day," and only because he seemed to be politically moderate, as opposed to the plethora of right-wing scum that permeates this newsgroup. But after a while, I realized he was just another short-tempered little ****, always willing to go after others, whatever side of the spectrum they favored. He also reminds me a bit of a small child with a perseveration problem. He's threatened me and others here several times, and has threatened to show up here...even though he's been told he is not welcome. If he tries to bust into the house, he's going to go home in a body bag. At my age, I don't engage in fistfights with ****heads 20 or more years young...if I am under "assault" in the house, I have another way to handle the situation. Looney had his big chance when you visited his backyard. Where was he.... hiding out in the swamps. Some tough guy! |
Realistic cruising under sail
On Apr 30, 4:31*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Apr 30, 1:53 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "anon-e-moose" wrote in message .. . On 4/30/2010 12:51 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Apr 29, 11:02 am, wrote: wrote in message . .. On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message news:i06ft5l54t3127dsp5aqqnukdf8ge6ec2e@4ax .com... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress.. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. And you love it so, keep acting annoyed. We should all stop posting to or about Plume at 8AM. The residual vacuum will suck Plume's brain out, with any luck. Yes! You should. But, you can't. You're a wimp, coward, liar and stalker.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've just described Harry to a tee!!! So, just curious... why the hatred of Harry? You accused me of hating someone, which I don't, but you're pretty antagonistic and seem to post a lot about him. Just wondering. I know he does similar, but I'm asking you..- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, mainly because he lies about everything. He's been caught in so many lies that it's hard to count. Then, when caught in those lies, his out is to sling childish insults and petty name calling. Did you know that, by counting from the past, that his wife is getting her THIRD doctorate degree "soon"? |
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On Apr 30, 6:11*pm, hk wrote:
On 4/30/10 4:31 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: *wrote in message .... On Apr 30, 1:53 pm, *wrote: *wrote in message . .. On 4/30/2010 12:51 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Apr 29, 11:02 am, *wrote: *wrote in message m... On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: *wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: *wrote in message news:i06ft5l54t3127dsp5aqqnukdf8ge6ec2e@4 ax.com... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" *wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress.. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. And you love it so, keep acting annoyed. We should all stop posting to or about Plume at 8AM. The residual vacuum will suck Plume's brain out, with any luck. Yes! You should. But, you can't. You're a wimp, coward, liar and stalker.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've just described Harry to a tee!!! So, just curious... why the hatred of Harry? You accused me of hating someone, which I don't, but you're pretty antagonistic and seem to post a lot about him. Just wondering. I know he does similar, but I'm asking you. I used to stick up for loogy "back in the day," and only because he seemed to be politically moderate, as opposed to the plethora of right-wing scum that permeates this newsgroup. But after a while, I realized he was just another short-tempered little ****, always willing to go after others, whatever side of the spectrum they favored. He also reminds me a bit of a small child with a perseveration problem. He's threatened me and others here several times, and has threatened to show up here...even though he's been told he is not welcome. If he tries to bust into the house, he's going to go home in a body bag. At my age, I don't engage in fistfights with ****heads 20 or more years young...if I am under "assault" in the house, I have another way to handle the situation. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Another low life lie by Harry. Show me where I've ever "threatened" you. Come on, fat ass, you said it, now prove it. |
Realistic cruising under sail
On 4/30/2010 9:28 PM, Larry wrote:
hk wrote: On 4/30/10 4:31 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 30, 1:53 pm, wrote: wrote in message ... On 4/30/2010 12:51 AM, TopBassDog wrote: On Apr 29, 11:02 am, wrote: wrote in message ... On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Then there are storms. How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much. Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing, one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a tough teacher. Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm (survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress.. I read the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to maintain control. I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling... The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat. You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo. Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could possibly be leading to by referencing it. You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid arguments. Go away. Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting about me, to me. And you love it so, keep acting annoyed. We should all stop posting to or about Plume at 8AM. The residual vacuum will suck Plume's brain out, with any luck. Yes! You should. But, you can't. You're a wimp, coward, liar and stalker.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've just described Harry to a tee!!! So, just curious... why the hatred of Harry? You accused me of hating someone, which I don't, but you're pretty antagonistic and seem to post a lot about him. Just wondering. I know he does similar, but I'm asking you. I used to stick up for loogy "back in the day," and only because he seemed to be politically moderate, as opposed to the plethora of right-wing scum that permeates this newsgroup. But after a while, I realized he was just another short-tempered little ****, always willing to go after others, whatever side of the spectrum they favored. He also reminds me a bit of a small child with a perseveration problem. He's threatened me and others here several times, and has threatened to show up here...even though he's been told he is not welcome. If he tries to bust into the house, he's going to go home in a body bag. At my age, I don't engage in fistfights with ****heads 20 or more years young...if I am under "assault" in the house, I have another way to handle the situation. You're a bad ass! That's some scary ****! Bad Ass? Now that's rich. Harry is a coward and a pansy. He got a school deferment and after that expired he hid out till he got old. |
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