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Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up
this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle down, it had that neat 'cackle' Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre but not really bad. Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this winter. Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and over cranking. BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard. But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil. He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix. I think I have a winner! |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On 4/20/10 8:30 AM, Tim wrote:
I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle down, it had that neat 'cackle' Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre but not really bad. Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this winter. Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and over cranking. BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard. But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil. He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix. I think I have a winner! Straight gas? What are you looking for, a circa 1950s country store with pumps out front? -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 20, 7:38*am, hk wrote:
On 4/20/10 8:30 AM, Tim wrote: I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle down, it had that neat 'cackle' Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre but not really bad. Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this winter. Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and over cranking. BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard. But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil. He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix. I think I have a winner! Straight gas? What are you looking for, a circa 1950s country store with pumps out front? Harry, we still have a place around here that has the old time pumps with the rolling mechanical numbers, not digital and the don't accept a credit card at the pump. Knapps at Xenia IL. and it's right on the way to the lake too! From what I understand thee are some places that still offer it in my area. the 87 octane is supposedly straight petro and the 89 is a 10 percent ethanol. But I've heard that Caseys stores supposedly guarentee there's to be straigh petrol. With modern fuel stabilizers the engines are suppose to be protected from oil seperation but I need to research that a bit better. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On 4/20/10 8:50 AM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 7:38 am, wrote: On 4/20/10 8:30 AM, Tim wrote: I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle down, it had that neat 'cackle' Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre but not really bad. Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this winter. Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and over cranking. BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard. But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil. He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix. I think I have a winner! Straight gas? What are you looking for, a circa 1950s country store with pumps out front? Harry, we still have a place around here that has the old time pumps with the rolling mechanical numbers, not digital and the don't accept a credit card at the pump. Knapps at Xenia IL. and it's right on the way to the lake too! From what I understand thee are some places that still offer it in my area. the 87 octane is supposedly straight petro and the 89 is a 10 percent ethanol. But I've heard that Caseys stores supposedly guarentee there's to be straigh petrol. With modern fuel stabilizers the engines are suppose to be protected from oil seperation but I need to research that a bit better. Be thankful you have an old two cycle that doesn't use that foul-smelling oil the modern two cycles burn. The old two cycle oil was oil as we knew it...and smelled like oil. :) -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 20, 8:30*am, Tim wrote:
I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle down, it had that neat 'cackle' Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre but not really bad. Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this winter. Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and over cranking. BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard. But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil. He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix. I think I have a winner! Tim, I had a V-4 135 horse on a bass boat I had. That thing always ran. It also sucked gas like there was no tomorrow! It ran fine on today's gas blend. Yes, they'll foul if you are at low speed for long. Also in that era there were two different trim/tilt motor/pump assemblies. One was a Prestolite and one was Calco. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 20, 8:06*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 20, 8:30*am, Tim wrote: I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle down, it had that neat 'cackle' Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre but not really bad. Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this winter. Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and over cranking. BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard. But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil. He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix. I think I have a winner! Tim, I had a V-4 135 horse on a bass boat I had. That thing always ran. It also sucked gas like there was no tomorrow! It ran fine on today's gas blend. Yes, they'll foul if you are at low speed for long. Also in that era there were two different trim/tilt motor/pump assemblies. One was a Prestolite and one was Calco.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I believe my trim motor is the calco. it's sort of a self contained motor that is attached onto the pump assy with three bolts in the triangular configuration. I never did like the presto's, I used to get them in and they were always full of rust and trying to solder the brushes in were a real pain. Same with the Presto starter motors. they were a pain to work on,too! especially trying to get the brushes installed with that flimsy fiber brush holder 'card' The permanent magnet United Tech model starters are so much better. and cheaper as well. I can still get parts for the presto starters, but they're didiculous in pricing. Just an armature for the Prestolite costs me more than thewhole UT starter! And yes, I imaging it will suck the gas. The old two cycles weren't economocal, But for the price of a modern 4-banger of being around 9-15 thousand bucks, a guy can burn a lot of fuel for a long time. The float came with an older 6.5 gal steel tank and the guy I got it from also installed a 13 gal plastic. I think I'm gong to need another 13 too. And maybe a 20 on the inside. But if my two strokes ever crap out on me, I'm going oto take it to a welding shop and install a 120 hp mercruiser alpha 1, I salvaged from a clapped out mid 70's Mart Twain. 18 ft. I also have some ideas of going with a home made hybrid drive too! The gears are turning..... |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 20, 8:20*am, Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 8:06*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 20, 8:30*am, Tim wrote: I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle down, it had that neat 'cackle' Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre but not really bad. Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this winter. Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and over cranking. BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard. But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil. He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix. I think I have a winner! Tim, I had a V-4 135 horse on a bass boat I had. That thing always ran. It also sucked gas like there was no tomorrow! It ran fine on today's gas blend. Yes, they'll foul if you are at low speed for long. Also in that era there were two different trim/tilt motor/pump assemblies. One was a Prestolite and one was Calco.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I believe my trim motor is the calco. it's sort of a self contained motor that is attached onto the pump assy with three bolts in the triangular configuration. I never did like the presto's, I used to get them in and they were always full of rust and trying to solder the brushes in were a real pain. Same with the Presto starter motors. they were a pain to work on,too! *especially trying to get the brushes installed with that flimsy fiber brush holder 'card' The permanent magnet United Tech model starters are so much better. and cheaper as well. I can still get parts for the presto starters, but they're didiculous in pricing. Just an armature for the Prestolite costs me more than thewhole UT starter! And yes, I imaging it will suck the gas. The old two cycles weren't economocal, But for the price of a modern 4-banger of being around 9-15 thousand bucks, a guy can burn a lot of fuel for a long time. The float came with an older 6.5 gal steel tank and the guy I got it from also installed a 13 gal plastic. I think I'm gong to need another 13 too. And maybe a 20 on the inside. But if my two strokes ever crap out on me, I'm going oto take it to a welding shop and install a 120 hp mercruiser alpha 1, I salvaged from a clapped out mid 70's Mart Twain. 18 ft. I also have some ideas of going with a home made hybrid drive too! The gears are turning.....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, this evening, I'm going to assess some things and start pulling and replacing hoses. I don't see anything cracked or worn, but they're probably getting a bit hardened since they are origional since probably about 1977 or so, and could probably need some attention |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 20, 11:06*am, Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 8:20*am, Tim wrote: On Apr 20, 8:06*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 20, 8:30*am, Tim wrote: I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle down, it had that neat 'cackle' Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre but not really bad. Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this winter. Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and over cranking. BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard. But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil.. He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix. I think I have a winner! Tim, I had a V-4 135 horse on a bass boat I had. That thing always ran. It also sucked gas like there was no tomorrow! It ran fine on today's gas blend. Yes, they'll foul if you are at low speed for long.. Also in that era there were two different trim/tilt motor/pump assemblies. One was a Prestolite and one was Calco.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I believe my trim motor is the calco. it's sort of a self contained motor that is attached onto the pump assy with three bolts in the triangular configuration. I never did like the presto's, I used to get them in and they were always full of rust and trying to solder the brushes in were a real pain. Same with the Presto starter motors. they were a pain to work on,too! *especially trying to get the brushes installed with that flimsy fiber brush holder 'card' The permanent magnet United Tech model starters are so much better. and cheaper as well. I can still get parts for the presto starters, but they're didiculous in pricing. Just an armature for the Prestolite costs me more than thewhole UT starter! And yes, I imaging it will suck the gas. The old two cycles weren't economocal, But for the price of a modern 4-banger of being around 9-15 thousand bucks, a guy can burn a lot of fuel for a long time. The float came with an older 6.5 gal steel tank and the guy I got it from also installed a 13 gal plastic. I think I'm gong to need another 13 too. And maybe a 20 on the inside. But if my two strokes ever crap out on me, I'm going oto take it to a welding shop and install a 120 hp mercruiser alpha 1, I salvaged from a clapped out mid 70's Mart Twain. 18 ft. I also have some ideas of going with a home made hybrid drive too! The gears are turning.....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, this evening, I'm going to assess some things and start pulling and replacing hoses. I don't see anything cracked or worn, but they're probably getting a bit hardened since they are origional since probably about 1977 or so, and could probably need some attention- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is it a 77 motor? I may have a manual for you. I've got a Merc now. One thing on those oldies is what they call link and sync. I did that with my just exactly like the manual tells you to and it ran much better. That and rebuilt the carbs, about all I ever had to do to the engine itself. I had to replace the motor on the trim/tilt, mine was a prestolite. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 20, 11:04*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:06*am, Tim wrote: On Apr 20, 8:20*am, Tim wrote: On Apr 20, 8:06*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 20, 8:30*am, Tim wrote: I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle down, it had that neat 'cackle' Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre but not really bad. Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this winter. Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and over cranking. BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard. But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil. He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix. I think I have a winner! Tim, I had a V-4 135 horse on a bass boat I had. That thing always ran. It also sucked gas like there was no tomorrow! It ran fine on today's gas blend. Yes, they'll foul if you are at low speed for long. Also in that era there were two different trim/tilt motor/pump assemblies. One was a Prestolite and one was Calco.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I believe my trim motor is the calco. it's sort of a self contained motor that is attached onto the pump assy with three bolts in the triangular configuration. I never did like the presto's, I used to get them in and they were always full of rust and trying to solder the brushes in were a real pain. Same with the Presto starter motors. they were a pain to work on,too! *especially trying to get the brushes installed with that flimsy fiber brush holder 'card' The permanent magnet United Tech model starters are so much better. and cheaper as well. I can still get parts for the presto starters, but they're didiculous in pricing. Just an armature for the Prestolite costs me more than thewhole UT starter! And yes, I imaging it will suck the gas. The old two cycles weren't economocal, But for the price of a modern 4-banger of being around 9-15 thousand bucks, a guy can burn a lot of fuel for a long time. The float came with an older 6.5 gal steel tank and the guy I got it from also installed a 13 gal plastic. I think I'm gong to need another 13 too. And maybe a 20 on the inside. But if my two strokes ever crap out on me, I'm going oto take it to a welding shop and install a 120 hp mercruiser alpha 1, I salvaged from a clapped out mid 70's Mart Twain. 18 ft. I also have some ideas of going with a home made hybrid drive too! The gears are turning.....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, this evening, I'm going to assess some things and start pulling and replacing hoses. I don't see anything cracked or worn, but they're probably getting a bit hardened since they are origional since probably about 1977 or so, and could probably need some attention- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is it a 77 motor? I may have a manual for you. I've got a Merc now. One thing on those oldies is what they call link and sync. I did that with my just exactly like the manual tells you to and it ran much better. That and rebuilt the carbs, about all I ever had to do to the engine itself. I had to replace the motor on the trim/tilt, mine was a prestolite.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thanks for the offer, Loog. I'll look and see if I can decipher the serial Nnumber and see what year it actually is. I believe its a cross- flo block. Two aluminum carbs one on top of the other and no belt drive distributor |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 20, 11:17*am, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. Hey hold the noise down, I'm trying to sleep here. ;-) Maybe I will crank up my table saw at 2 AM and cut up some aluminum angle. Oh I didn't rack it off 'much' jsut enough to get it to idle out and it does have such a neat sound at idle. It's fun listening to it "cackle" on every hit. Beautiful tune actually. If I want to wake the neighbors up, I'd fire up the Stihl O64! Yeah, Prestolites. They were good for their day ... sort of. Interesting though now that we're speaking of electric boat trim and starter motors. I ahv a 'like-new' Mercury "Dock Buster" starter made by Delco. The Dock Buster motors were direct drive and you started the egine by turning it one way, and to go in reverse, you killed the engine, reversed the brush polarity through the seris of solonoids, and started the engine in the oposite direction. It's interesting to see an outboard starter with two oposing pinion gears on the same shaft.... |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 20, 12:57*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:17*am, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. Hey hold the noise down, I'm trying to sleep here. ;-) Maybe I will crank up my table saw at 2 AM and cut up some aluminum angle. Oh I didn't rack it off 'much' jsut enough to get it to idle out and it does have such a neat sound at idle. It's fun listening to it "cackle" on every hit. Beautiful tune actually. If I want to wake the neighbors up, I'd fire up the Stihl *O64! Yeah, Prestolites. They were good for their day ... sort of. Interesting though now that we're speaking of electric boat trim and starter motors. I ahv a 'like-new' Mercury "Dock Buster" starter made by Delco. The Dock Buster motors were direct drive and you started the egine by turning it one way, and to go in reverse, you killed the engine, reversed the brush polarity through the seris of solonoids, and started the engine in the oposite direction. It's interesting to see an outboard starter with two oposing pinion gears on the same shaft.... Yep, liked to hear mine idle out of the water!! |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 20, 12:39*pm, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 20, 12:57*pm, Tim wrote: On Apr 20, 11:17*am, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. Hey hold the noise down, I'm trying to sleep here. ;-) Maybe I will crank up my table saw at 2 AM and cut up some aluminum angle. Oh I didn't rack it off 'much' jsut enough to get it to idle out and it does have such a neat sound at idle. It's fun listening to it "cackle" on every hit. Beautiful tune actually. If I want to wake the neighbors up, I'd fire up the Stihl *O64! Yeah, Prestolites. They were good for their day ... sort of. Interesting though now that we're speaking of electric boat trim and starter motors. I ahv a 'like-new' Mercury "Dock Buster" starter made by Delco. The Dock Buster motors were direct drive and you started the egine by turning it one way, and to go in reverse, you killed the engine, reversed the brush polarity through the seris of solonoids, and started the engine in the oposite direction. It's interesting to see an outboard starter with two oposing pinion gears on the same shaft.... Yep, liked to hear mine idle out of the water!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I wish i could find it on the net, but I remember some cycle magazine having a run down on somebody that cranked up a V-4 OMC, laid it horizontal with nothing but a clutch, put it in a motorcycle frame and made a drag bike out of it. With no water cooling (That I could tell) I wonder how many passes that thing would make before locking up? |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Apr 20, 12:39 pm, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 20, 12:57 pm, Tim wrote: On Apr 20, 11:17 am, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. Hey hold the noise down, I'm trying to sleep here. ;-) Maybe I will crank up my table saw at 2 AM and cut up some aluminum angle. Oh I didn't rack it off 'much' jsut enough to get it to idle out and it does have such a neat sound at idle. It's fun listening to it "cackle" on every hit. Beautiful tune actually. If I want to wake the neighbors up, I'd fire up the Stihl O64! Yeah, Prestolites. They were good for their day ... sort of. Interesting though now that we're speaking of electric boat trim and starter motors. I ahv a 'like-new' Mercury "Dock Buster" starter made by Delco. The Dock Buster motors were direct drive and you started the egine by turning it one way, and to go in reverse, you killed the engine, reversed the brush polarity through the seris of solonoids, and started the engine in the oposite direction. It's interesting to see an outboard starter with two oposing pinion gears on the same shaft.... Yep, liked to hear mine idle out of the water!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I wish i could find it on the net, but I remember some cycle magazine having a run down on somebody that cranked up a V-4 OMC, laid it horizontal with nothing but a clutch, put it in a motorcycle frame and made a drag bike out of it. With no water cooling (That I could tell) I wonder how many passes that thing would make before locking up? Most really strong drag motors do not run water or coolent. Before the Donavan motors there was a substance like Water Glass, forget the name, that you filled the block with to add strength on AA furlers. You realize a big drag bike will only be running the moter for 25-45 seconds. at a time. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:11:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: having a run down on somebody that cranked up a V-4 OMC, laid it horizontal with nothing but a clutch, put it in a motorcycle frame and made a drag bike out of it. With no water cooling (That I could tell) I wonder how many passes that thing would make before locking up? I can't imagine that would last long without some kind of cooling. He may have tricked up some kind of radiator but I would be curious how you recover the water. Outboards discharge directly into the exhaust manifold. I suppose you could make up a different flange right at the block to divert the water., The block is filled most likely. http://www.jegs.com/p/Moroso/Moroso-...45552/10002/-1 A drag motor does not run very long at a time. 5-11 seconds for the 1/4 and 20-30 seconds in the staging area. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 21, 12:51*am, "Bill McKee" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:11:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: having a run down on somebody that cranked up a V-4 OMC, laid it horizontal with nothing but a clutch, put it in a motorcycle frame and made a drag bike out of it. With no water cooling (That I could tell) I wonder how many passes that thing would make before locking up? I can't imagine that would last long without some kind of cooling. He may have tricked up some kind of radiator but I would be curious how you recover the water. Outboards discharge directly into the exhaust manifold. I suppose you could make up a different flange right at the block to divert the water., The block is filled most likely.http://www.jegs.com/p/Moroso/Moroso-...45552/10002/-1 A drag motor does not run very long at a time. *5-11 seconds for the 1/4 and 20-30 seconds in the staging area. True Bill, but with the engines mdified for a racing design, extreme RPM's and a mixture of lord knows what kind of fuels, drag engines develop a lot of heat very quickly. I would imagine that after a few runs or so the engines were just about junk. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 20, 2:11*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 12:39*pm, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 20, 12:57*pm, Tim wrote: On Apr 20, 11:17*am, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. Hey hold the noise down, I'm trying to sleep here. ;-) Maybe I will crank up my table saw at 2 AM and cut up some aluminum angle. Oh I didn't rack it off 'much' jsut enough to get it to idle out and it does have such a neat sound at idle. It's fun listening to it "cackle" on every hit. Beautiful tune actually. If I want to wake the neighbors up, I'd fire up the Stihl *O64! Yeah, Prestolites. They were good for their day ... sort of. Interesting though now that we're speaking of electric boat trim and starter motors. I ahv a 'like-new' Mercury "Dock Buster" starter made by Delco. The Dock Buster motors were direct drive and you started the egine by turning it one way, and to go in reverse, you killed the engine, reversed the brush polarity through the seris of solonoids, and started the engine in the oposite direction. It's interesting to see an outboard starter with two oposing pinion gears on the same shaft.... Yep, liked to hear mine idle out of the water!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I wish i could find it on the net, but I remember some cycle magazine having a run down on somebody that cranked up a V-4 OMC, laid it horizontal with nothing but a clutch, put it in a motorcycle frame and made a drag bike out of it. With no water cooling (That I could tell) I wonder how many passes that thing would make before locking up?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not many if not allowed to cool in between! Hey, got your message, etc. was busy as all hell, will call you when I can. And Tom's right.......don't quit your day job!! |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 20, 12:57*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:17*am, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. Hey hold the noise down, I'm trying to sleep here. ;-) Maybe I will crank up my table saw at 2 AM and cut up some aluminum angle. Oh I didn't rack it off 'much' jsut enough to get it to idle out and it does have such a neat sound at idle. It's fun listening to it "cackle" on every hit. Beautiful tune actually. If I want to wake the neighbors up, I'd fire up the Stihl *O64! Yeah, Prestolites. They were good for their day ... sort of. Interesting though now that we're speaking of electric boat trim and starter motors. I ahv a 'like-new' Mercury "Dock Buster" starter made by Delco. The Dock Buster motors were direct drive and you started the egine by turning it one way, and to go in reverse, you killed the engine, reversed the brush polarity through the seris of solonoids, and started the engine in the oposite direction. It's interesting to see an outboard starter with two oposing pinion gears on the same shaft.... I had a racing snowmobile with a 440 Hirth two cylinder engine that if you pulled the rope getting one of the cylinders almost to TDC, then let go of the rope, it would fire and start, backwards! |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 21, 8:15*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 20, 12:57*pm, Tim wrote: On Apr 20, 11:17*am, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up this morning. Hey hold the noise down, I'm trying to sleep here. ;-) Maybe I will crank up my table saw at 2 AM and cut up some aluminum angle. Oh I didn't rack it off 'much' jsut enough to get it to idle out and it does have such a neat sound at idle. It's fun listening to it "cackle" on every hit. Beautiful tune actually. If I want to wake the neighbors up, I'd fire up the Stihl *O64! Yeah, Prestolites. They were good for their day ... sort of. Interesting though now that we're speaking of electric boat trim and starter motors. I ahv a 'like-new' Mercury "Dock Buster" starter made by Delco. The Dock Buster motors were direct drive and you started the egine by turning it one way, and to go in reverse, you killed the engine, reversed the brush polarity through the seris of solonoids, and started the engine in the oposite direction. It's interesting to see an outboard starter with two oposing pinion gears on the same shaft.... I had a racing snowmobile with a 440 Hirth two cylinder engine that if you pulled the rope getting one of the cylinders almost to TDC, then let go of the rope, it would fire and start, backwards!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When I was a kid I had an old harley hummer which was a 165cc two stroke and if you didn't follow through with the kick sometimes it would run backwards. It didn't sound much diffrent running backwards, but you found out quickly to listen before you let out on the clutch. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 21, 8:13*am, Loogypicker wrote:
And Tom's right.......don't quit your day job!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep, that's proof you DID get the messege. LOL! |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Apr 21, 12:51 am, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:11:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: having a run down on somebody that cranked up a V-4 OMC, laid it horizontal with nothing but a clutch, put it in a motorcycle frame and made a drag bike out of it. With no water cooling (That I could tell) I wonder how many passes that thing would make before locking up? I can't imagine that would last long without some kind of cooling. He may have tricked up some kind of radiator but I would be curious how you recover the water. Outboards discharge directly into the exhaust manifold. I suppose you could make up a different flange right at the block to divert the water., The block is filled most likely.http://www.jegs.com/p/Moroso/Moroso-...45552/10002/-1 A drag motor does not run very long at a time. 5-11 seconds for the 1/4 and 20-30 seconds in the staging area. True Bill, but with the engines mdified for a racing design, extreme RPM's and a mixture of lord knows what kind of fuels, drag engines develop a lot of heat very quickly. I would imagine that after a few runs or so the engines were just about junk. The block filler is designed to accept heat. And an AA furler does a complete rebuild after every run. --------- * One dragster's 500-inch Hemi makes more horsepower then the first 8 rows at Daytona. * Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1 1/2 gallons of nitro per second, the same rate of fuel consumption as a fully loaded 747 but with 4 times the energy volume. * The supercharger takes more power to drive than a stock hemi makes. * Even with nearly 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into nearly-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock. * Dual magnetos apply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder. * At stoichiometric (exact) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture (for nitro), the flame front of nitromethane measures 7050 degrees F. * Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases. * Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression-plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting off its fuel flow. * If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in those cylinders and then explodes with a force that can blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or blow the block in half. * Dragsters twist the crank (torsionally) so far (20 degrees in the big end of the track) that sometimes cam lobes are ground offset from front to rear to re-phase the valve timing somewhere closer to synchronization with the pistons. * To exceed 300mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of over 4G's. But in reaching 200 mph well before 1/2 track, launch acceleration is closer to 8G's. * If all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs $1000.00 per second. * Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have read this sentence. Did you know . .. that the nitromethane-powered engines of NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars produce approximately 7,000 horsepower, about 37 times that of the average street car? .. that one cylinder of the eight cylinders of a Top Fuel dragster or a Funny Car produces 750 horsepower, equaling the entire horsepower output of a NASCAR engine? .. that the gasoline-powered engines of NHRA Pro Stock cars produce about 1,200 horsepower, about eight times that of the average street car? .. that an NHRA Top Fuel dragster accelerates from 0 to 100 mph in less than ..8-second, almost 11 seconds quicker than it takes a production Porsche 911 Turbo to reach the same speed? .. that an NHRA Top Fuel dragster leaves the starting line with a force nearly five times that of gravity, the same force of the space shuttle when it leaves the launching pad at Cape Canaveral? .. that an NHRA Funny Car is slowed by a reverse force more than seven times that of gravity when both parachutes deploy simultaneously? .. that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars consume between four and five gallons of fuel during a quarter-mile run, which is equivalent to between 16 and 20 gallons per mile? .. that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars use between 10 and 12 gallons of fuel for a complete pass, including the burnout, backup to the starting line, and quarter-mile run? .. that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars travel the length of more than four football fields in less than five seconds? .. that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters can exceed 280 mph in just 660 feet? .. that from a standing start, NHRA Top Fuel dragsters accelerate faster than a jumbo jet, a fighter jet, and a Formula One race car? .. that a fuel pump for an NHRA Top Fuel dragster and Funny Car delivers 65 gallons of fuel per minute, equivalent to eight bathroom showers running at the same time? .. that the fuel-line pressure for NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars is between 400 and 500 pounds, about 20 times greater than the pressure on passenger-car fuel pumps? .. that depending on size and angle, the large rear wing on an NHRA Top Fuel dragster develops between 4,000 and 8,000 pounds of downforce? .. that the 17-inch rear tires used on NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars wear out after four to six runs, or about two miles? Some brands of passenger-car tires are guaranteed for 80,000 miles. .. that it takes just 15/100ths of a second for all 7,000 horsepower of an NHRA Top Fuel dragster engine to reach the rear wheels? .. that it's desirable for an NHRA Top Fuel dragster to race with its front wheels inches off the ground for about the first 200 feet of the run? This ensures proper weight transfer to the rear wheels, a crucial part of a good launch and quick run. .. that the nitromethane used to power the engines of NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars costs about $30 per gallon? Sources: NHRA Communications and Technical Departments, NHRA race teams, motorsports equipment manufacturers (and boostedpimp) |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 21, 1:48*pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Apr 21, 12:51 am, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:11:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: having a run down on somebody that cranked up a V-4 OMC, laid it horizontal with nothing but a clutch, put it in a motorcycle frame and made a drag bike out of it. With no water cooling (That I could tell) I wonder how many passes that thing would make before locking up? I can't imagine that would last long without some kind of cooling. He may have tricked up some kind of radiator but I would be curious how you recover the water. Outboards discharge directly into the exhaust manifold. I suppose you could make up a different flange right at the block to divert the water., The block is filled most likely.http://www.jegs.com/p/Moroso/Moroso-...45552/10002/-1 A drag motor does not run very long at a time. 5-11 seconds for the 1/4 and 20-30 seconds in the staging area. True Bill, but with the engines mdified for a racing design, extreme RPM's *and a mixture of lord knows what kind of fuels, drag engines develop a lot of heat very quickly. I would imagine that after a few runs or so the engines were just about junk. The block filler is designed to accept heat. *And an AA furler does a complete rebuild after every run. --------- * One dragster's 500-inch Hemi makes more horsepower then the first 8 rows at Daytona. * Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1 1/2 gallons of nitro per second, the same rate of fuel consumption as a fully loaded 747 but with 4 times the energy volume. * The supercharger takes more power to drive than a stock hemi makes. * Even with nearly 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into nearly-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock. * Dual magnetos apply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder. * At stoichiometric (exact) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture (for nitro), the flame front of nitromethane measures 7050 degrees F. * Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases. * Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression-plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting off its fuel flow. * If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in those cylinders and then explodes with a force that can blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or blow the block in half. * Dragsters twist the crank (torsionally) so far (20 degrees in the big end of the track) that sometimes cam lobes are ground offset from front to rear to re-phase the valve timing somewhere closer to synchronization with the pistons. * To exceed 300mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of over 4G's. But in reaching 200 mph well before 1/2 track, launch acceleration is closer to 8G's. * If all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs $1000.00 per second. * Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have read this sentence. Did you know . . that the nitromethane-powered engines of NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars produce approximately 7,000 horsepower, about 37 times that of the average street car? . that one cylinder of the eight cylinders of a Top Fuel dragster or a Funny Car produces 750 horsepower, equaling the entire horsepower output of a NASCAR engine? . that the gasoline-powered engines of NHRA Pro Stock cars produce about 1,200 horsepower, about eight times that of the average street car? . that an NHRA Top Fuel dragster accelerates from 0 to 100 mph in less than .8-second, almost 11 seconds quicker than it takes a production Porsche 911 Turbo to reach the same speed? . that an NHRA Top Fuel dragster leaves the starting line with a force nearly five times that of gravity, the same force of the space shuttle when it leaves the launching pad at Cape Canaveral? . that an NHRA Funny Car is slowed by a reverse force more than seven times that of gravity when both parachutes deploy simultaneously? . that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars consume between four and five gallons of fuel during a quarter-mile run, which is equivalent to between 16 and 20 gallons per mile? . that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars use between 10 and 12 gallons of fuel for a complete pass, including the burnout, backup to the starting line, and quarter-mile run? . that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars travel the length of more than four football fields in less than five seconds? . that NHRA Top Fuel dragsters can exceed 280 mph in just 660 feet? . that from a standing start, NHRA Top Fuel dragsters accelerate faster than a jumbo jet, a fighter jet, and a Formula One race car? . that a fuel pump for an NHRA Top Fuel dragster and Funny Car delivers 65 gallons of fuel per minute, equivalent to eight bathroom showers running at the same time? . that the fuel-line pressure for NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars is between 400 and 500 pounds, about 20 times greater than the pressure on passenger-car fuel pumps? . that depending on size and angle, the large rear wing on an NHRA Top Fuel dragster develops between 4,000 and 8,000 pounds of downforce? . that the 17-inch rear tires used on NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars wear out after four to six runs, or about two miles? Some brands of passenger-car tires are guaranteed for 80,000 miles. . that it takes just 15/100ths of a second for all 7,000 horsepower of an NHRA Top Fuel dragster engine to reach the rear wheels? . that it's desirable for an NHRA Top Fuel dragster to race with its front wheels inches off the ground for about the first 200 feet of the run? This ensures proper weight transfer to the rear wheels, a crucial part of a good launch and quick run. . that the nitromethane used to power the engines of NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars costs about $30 per gallon? Sources: NHRA Communications and Technical Departments, NHRA race teams, motorsports equipment manufacturers (and boostedpimp)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, Bill. I'm familiar with all the above. But what's neat is to watch a $75,000.00 engine have a come-apart on the start line while doing a burn out. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
"The block filler is designed to accept heat. And an AA furler does a
complete rebuild after every run." But I doubt they were concerned about dong a rebuild on a v-4 evinrude in the early 70's . Probably ran it till it scattered then called it a day. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On 4/21/10 6:09 PM, Tim wrote:
"The block filler is designed to accept heat. And an AA furler does a complete rebuild after every run." But I doubt they were concerned about dong a rebuild on a v-4 evinrude in the early 70's . Probably ran it till it scattered then called it a day. It seems to me it would be exceedingly stupid to deliberately run a water-cooled engine without water cooling. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
"hk" wrote in message m... On 4/21/10 6:09 PM, Tim wrote: "The block filler is designed to accept heat. And an AA furler does a complete rebuild after every run." But I doubt they were concerned about dong a rebuild on a v-4 evinrude in the early 70's . Probably ran it till it scattered then called it a day. It seems to me it would be exceedingly stupid to deliberately run a water-cooled engine without water cooling. Depends on how long you run the engine and what you are doing with it. A 9 second race with 20 seconds warmup and staging, will not burn up the engine. Especially with a heat asorbing material in the water jackets. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 21, 6:40*pm, hk wrote:
On 4/21/10 6:09 PM, Tim wrote: "The block filler is designed to accept heat. *And an AA furler does a complete rebuild after every run." But I doubt they were concerned about dong a rebuild on a v-4 evinrude in the early 70's . Probably ran it till it scattered then called it a day. It seems to me it would be exceedingly stupid to deliberately run a water-cooled engine without water cooling. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. That's because you know nothing about mechanical things. You DO realize that when the engine starts up, it is running, BY DESIGN without water cooling don't you? That's what the thermostats do. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On 4/22/2010 10:07 AM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 21, 6:40 pm, wrote: On 4/21/10 6:09 PM, Tim wrote: "The block filler is designed to accept heat. And an AA furler does a complete rebuild after every run." But I doubt they were concerned about dong a rebuild on a v-4 evinrude in the early 70's . Probably ran it till it scattered then called it a day. It seems to me it would be exceedingly stupid to deliberately run a water-cooled engine without water cooling. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. That's because you know nothing about mechanical things. You DO realize that when the engine starts up, it is running, BY DESIGN without water cooling don't you? That's what the thermostats do. Don't confuse the dip**** with facts and common sense. |
Nothing like the sound of a v-4 Evinrude at 6:30 AM.
On Apr 22, 10:24*am, anon-e-moose wrote:
On 4/22/2010 10:07 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 21, 6:40 pm, *wrote: On 4/21/10 6:09 PM, Tim wrote: "The block filler is designed to accept heat. *And an AA furler does a complete rebuild after every run." But I doubt they were concerned about dong a rebuild on a v-4 evinrude in the early 70's . Probably ran it till it scattered then called it a day. It seems to me it would be exceedingly stupid to deliberately run a water-cooled engine without water cooling. -- The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name. That's because you know nothing about mechanical things. You DO realize that when the engine starts up, it is running, BY DESIGN without water cooling don't you? That's what the thermostats do. Don't confuse the dip**** with facts and common sense.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What's funny is the moron has tried to claim that he's taken mechanical engineering courses, and he come up with gems like this, and his thread about drilling holes in a structural member of his trailer that wasn't intended to have holes drilled in it! His excuse? There's already holes in it for the fenders and lights!!!! |
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