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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:50:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:23:58 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:38:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Because these things have a way of coming back until they get
through.
The difference is this time the Senate is not filibuster proof and
in
January the GOP might have both houses.

Yes, good legislation sometimes get through.

The Senate was not filibuster proof during the last go round with
healthcare.

They used reconciliation. That is a fairly limited power that is hard
to do if you never passed the bill in the first place. It really only
works if the senate passed a bill, the House changed the bill and the
senate just wants to accept the changes that come out of the
conference committee. It also has to be a budget (appropriations)
bill. The house bill they are looking at is not appropriations it is
legislative.
They have to be very careful how that procedure is executed or you can
open it up to filibuster again.


Yes, and the first vote passed with 60. Both are in keeping with the
democratic process. The Congressional rules are complicated, so what's
your
point?

Cap and tax (H.R.2454) will not get 60 and might not even get 51.
The house vote was very close 212-219 with 3 abstentions. The senate
is usually more conservative than the house.


If that's the case, then why are you so concerned? The argument that "it
might creep back in" doesn't really make much sense. Send up a flare when
it
starts to and we can discuss it's implications then. Now, it's just a
waste
of time.

I am only concerned because this administration has shown it's
willingness to circumvent the senate rules.


They did no such thing for two reasons. First, the "administration" isn't
involved in such activities. That's the prevue of the Senators. Second, no
rules were circumvented. In fact, the House Democrats decided not to use
Deem and Pass, even though that is a legitimate House rule that's used
frequently.

Try again.

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