On 08/04/2010 6:03 AM, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:58:54 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:


Agreed. Going for the little guy is stupid. Even though that is what
will happen.

Get the CEO, make him personally pay out of his own pocket $20,000,000
to the families without being re-imbursed by the company. And the
company match the payout to the families for another $20,000,000.

If they complain, double it.

If they still want to fight it, lay down criminal negligence carges on
top of it with jail time for the senior executives and board members.

Then there will be progress.

Or learn from the Chinese, and execute the CEOs. Fines just don't cut
it, when 25 are dead.

True. One think I will say about Chinese justice, it is harsh and not
corrupt. The crap that goes on here, would not occur there. Wagoner of
GM fame for example, he wouldn't have gotten a pension. He would have
been begging for his life for stiffing all the lenders. And he would
have been executed as a mercy act.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.

On 4/8/10 8:03 AM, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:58:54 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:


Agreed. Going for the little guy is stupid. Even though that is what
will happen.

Get the CEO, make him personally pay out of his own pocket $20,000,000
to the families without being re-imbursed by the company. And the
company match the payout to the families for another $20,000,000.

If they complain, double it.

If they still want to fight it, lay down criminal negligence carges on
top of it with jail time for the senior executives and board members.

Then there will be progress.

Or learn from the Chinese, and execute the CEOs. Fines just don't cut
it, when 25 are dead.

Well, I don't favor the death penalty, but...serious criminal penalties
(as in prison terms), heavy fines against personal assets, et cetera,
especially for notoriously bad apples like the CEO of the mining company
under discussion, would suffice. I'd said one year in prison doing hard
time for each worker killed, plus a million dollar penalty paid to each
of the families, would be appropriate.

There are always going to be deaths and serious injuries in connection
with dangerous work, like mining, construction, et cetera. *Responsible*
business executives take the steps necessary to minimize those risks.
The irresponsible should be prosecuted and penalized.



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On Apr 7, 12:57*pm, hk wrote:
On 4/7/10 12:49 PM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 7, 12:40 pm, *wrote:
On 4/7/10 12:18 PM, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:40:56 -0400,
wrote:

W.Va. mine owner accused of putting safety second

As someone who was the safety officer at a big US corporation, the
biggest problem is making the employees actually follow the safety
procedures. My wife had a similar problem in the construction
industry.

I've probably been on a thousand commercial and heavy construction sites
since the 1970s...and the safest sites are always the ones on which
labor and management play an equal role in patrolling and watching, and
in educating the workers about avoiding injury or worse. I was on a site
in St. Pete some years ago and watched as the company rep consulted with
the steward for a minute and then they both went over to a worker and
sent him home for the day without pay. He had been warned about the need
to wear steel-toed construction shoes and he kept showing up without
them. Minor incident, but telling.

Dangerous work can be made safer if management, especially, takes worker
safety seriously. That was not the case with the coal mine under
discussion.

Do you think anybody here besides Don believes anything you say? So,
do tell, since I'm in the industry, just what heavy industrial sites
have you been affiliated with?

You're "in the industry..." Now that's a laugh...your job as a flagman
on highway asphalt jobs hardly counts.

I've worked on sites on which substantial refractories were being built,
where power plants and cooling towers were under construction, where
long suspension bridges were being built.

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Which ones, liar?

On 4/8/10 9:31 AM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 7, 12:57 pm, wrote:
On 4/7/10 12:49 PM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 7, 12:40 pm, wrote:
On 4/7/10 12:18 PM, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:40:56 -0400,
wrote:

W.Va. mine owner accused of putting safety second

As someone who was the safety officer at a big US corporation, the
biggest problem is making the employees actually follow the safety
procedures. My wife had a similar problem in the construction
industry.

I've probably been on a thousand commercial and heavy construction sites
since the 1970s...and the safest sites are always the ones on which
labor and management play an equal role in patrolling and watching, and
in educating the workers about avoiding injury or worse. I was on a site
in St. Pete some years ago and watched as the company rep consulted with
the steward for a minute and then they both went over to a worker and
sent him home for the day without pay. He had been warned about the need
to wear steel-toed construction shoes and he kept showing up without
them. Minor incident, but telling.

Dangerous work can be made safer if management, especially, takes worker
safety seriously. That was not the case with the coal mine under
discussion.

Do you think anybody here besides Don believes anything you say? So,
do tell, since I'm in the industry, just what heavy industrial sites
have you been affiliated with?

You're "in the industry..." Now that's a laugh...your job as a flagman
on highway asphalt jobs hardly counts.

I've worked on sites on which substantial refractories were being built,
where power plants and cooling towers were under construction, where
long suspension bridges were being built.

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- Show quoted text -

Which ones, liar?


Look, mom...an anonymous asshole who hides behind the screen name
"Loogy" (and others) wants more information.




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On Apr 8, 9:45*am, hk wrote:
On 4/8/10 9:31 AM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 7, 12:57 pm, *wrote:
On 4/7/10 12:49 PM, Loogypicker wrote:

On Apr 7, 12:40 pm, * *wrote:
On 4/7/10 12:18 PM, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:40:56 -0400,
wrote:

W.Va. mine owner accused of putting safety second

As someone who was the safety officer at a big US corporation, the
biggest problem is making the employees actually follow the safety
procedures. My wife had a similar problem in the construction
industry.

I've probably been on a thousand commercial and heavy construction sites
since the 1970s...and the safest sites are always the ones on which
labor and management play an equal role in patrolling and watching, and
in educating the workers about avoiding injury or worse. I was on a site
in St. Pete some years ago and watched as the company rep consulted with
the steward for a minute and then they both went over to a worker and
sent him home for the day without pay. He had been warned about the need
to wear steel-toed construction shoes and he kept showing up without
them. Minor incident, but telling.

Dangerous work can be made safer if management, especially, takes worker
safety seriously. That was not the case with the coal mine under
discussion.

Do you think anybody here besides Don believes anything you say? So,
do tell, since I'm in the industry, just what heavy industrial sites
have you been affiliated with?

You're "in the industry..." Now that's a laugh...your job as a flagman
on highway asphalt jobs hardly counts.

I've worked on sites on which substantial refractories were being built,
where power plants and cooling towers were under construction, where
long suspension bridges were being built.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Which ones, liar?

Look, mom...an anonymous asshole who hides behind the screen name
"Loogy" (and others) wants more information.

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- Show quoted text -

As suspected......LIAR.

On 4/8/10 9:59 AM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 8, 9:45 am, wrote:
On 4/8/10 9:31 AM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 7, 12:57 pm, wrote:
On 4/7/10 12:49 PM, Loogypicker wrote:

On Apr 7, 12:40 pm, wrote:
On 4/7/10 12:18 PM, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:40:56 -0400,
wrote:

W.Va. mine owner accused of putting safety second

As someone who was the safety officer at a big US corporation, the
biggest problem is making the employees actually follow the safety
procedures. My wife had a similar problem in the construction
industry.

I've probably been on a thousand commercial and heavy construction sites
since the 1970s...and the safest sites are always the ones on which
labor and management play an equal role in patrolling and watching, and
in educating the workers about avoiding injury or worse. I was on a site
in St. Pete some years ago and watched as the company rep consulted with
the steward for a minute and then they both went over to a worker and
sent him home for the day without pay. He had been warned about the need
to wear steel-toed construction shoes and he kept showing up without
them. Minor incident, but telling.

Dangerous work can be made safer if management, especially, takes worker
safety seriously. That was not the case with the coal mine under
discussion.

Do you think anybody here besides Don believes anything you say? So,
do tell, since I'm in the industry, just what heavy industrial sites
have you been affiliated with?

You're "in the industry..." Now that's a laugh...your job as a flagman
on highway asphalt jobs hardly counts.

I've worked on sites on which substantial refractories were being built,
where power plants and cooling towers were under construction, where
long suspension bridges were being built.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Which ones, liar?

Look, mom...an anonymous asshole who hides behind the screen name
"Loogy" (and others) wants more information.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As suspected......LIAR.



You're *not* an anonymous asshole who hides behind the screen name loogy
and wants more information?

Bull****.


--
http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym

On Apr 8, 10:04*am, hk wrote:
On 4/8/10 9:59 AM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 8, 9:45 am, *wrote:
On 4/8/10 9:31 AM, Loogypicker wrote:

On Apr 7, 12:57 pm, * *wrote:
On 4/7/10 12:49 PM, Loogypicker wrote:

On Apr 7, 12:40 pm, * * *wrote:
On 4/7/10 12:18 PM, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:40:56 -0400,
wrote:

W.Va. mine owner accused of putting safety second

As someone who was the safety officer at a big US corporation, the
biggest problem is making the employees actually follow the safety
procedures. My wife had a similar problem in the construction
industry.

I've probably been on a thousand commercial and heavy construction sites
since the 1970s...and the safest sites are always the ones on which
labor and management play an equal role in patrolling and watching, and
in educating the workers about avoiding injury or worse. I was on a site
in St. Pete some years ago and watched as the company rep consulted with
the steward for a minute and then they both went over to a worker and
sent him home for the day without pay. He had been warned about the need
to wear steel-toed construction shoes and he kept showing up without
them. Minor incident, but telling.

Dangerous work can be made safer if management, especially, takes worker
safety seriously. That was not the case with the coal mine under
discussion.

Do you think anybody here besides Don believes anything you say? So,
do tell, since I'm in the industry, just what heavy industrial sites
have you been affiliated with?

You're "in the industry..." Now that's a laugh...your job as a flagman
on highway asphalt jobs hardly counts.

I've worked on sites on which substantial refractories were being built,
where power plants and cooling towers were under construction, where
long suspension bridges were being built.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hidequoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Which ones, liar?

Look, mom...an anonymous asshole who hides behind the screen name
"Loogy" (and others) wants more information.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As suspected......LIAR.

You're *not* an anonymous asshole who hides behind the screen name loogy
and wants more information?

Bull****.

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- Show quoted text -

As suspected. You're too narcissistic and ****ed up to even follow a
conversation. You come here every day and lie about something. Today
it happens to be all of the construction sites you've been involved
in. You wouldn't know construction if someone hit you in the head with
a 2x4. Hell, just awhile ago, you tried to tell people here that
workers made the compound bend for a spiral staircase ON SITE!!!!!!
ANYBODY in the industry knows that to be cost effective, you do any
fabrication you can in the shop.

On 4/8/10 10:08 AM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 8, 10:04 am, wrote:
On 4/8/10 9:59 AM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 8, 9:45 am, wrote:
On 4/8/10 9:31 AM, Loogypicker wrote:

On Apr 7, 12:57 pm, wrote:
On 4/7/10 12:49 PM, Loogypicker wrote:

On Apr 7, 12:40 pm, wrote:
On 4/7/10 12:18 PM, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:40:56 -0400,
wrote:

W.Va. mine owner accused of putting safety second

As someone who was the safety officer at a big US corporation, the
biggest problem is making the employees actually follow the safety
procedures. My wife had a similar problem in the construction
industry.

I've probably been on a thousand commercial and heavy construction sites
since the 1970s...and the safest sites are always the ones on which
labor and management play an equal role in patrolling and watching, and
in educating the workers about avoiding injury or worse. I was on a site
in St. Pete some years ago and watched as the company rep consulted with
the steward for a minute and then they both went over to a worker and
sent him home for the day without pay. He had been warned about the need
to wear steel-toed construction shoes and he kept showing up without
them. Minor incident, but telling.

Dangerous work can be made safer if management, especially, takes worker
safety seriously. That was not the case with the coal mine under
discussion.

Do you think anybody here besides Don believes anything you say? So,
do tell, since I'm in the industry, just what heavy industrial sites
have you been affiliated with?

You're "in the industry..." Now that's a laugh...your job as a flagman
on highway asphalt jobs hardly counts.

I've worked on sites on which substantial refractories were being built,
where power plants and cooling towers were under construction, where
long suspension bridges were being built.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hidequoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Which ones, liar?

Look, mom...an anonymous asshole who hides behind the screen name
"Loogy" (and others) wants more information.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As suspected......LIAR.

You're *not* an anonymous asshole who hides behind the screen name loogy
and wants more information?

Bull****.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As suspected. You're too narcissistic and ****ed up to even follow a
conversation. You come here every day and lie about something. Today
it happens to be all of the construction sites you've been involved
in. You wouldn't know construction if someone hit you in the head with
a 2x4. Hell, just awhile ago, you tried to tell people here that
workers made the compound bend for a spiral staircase ON SITE!!!!!!
ANYBODY in the industry knows that to be cost effective, you do any
fabrication you can in the shop.



A. I know you have ADD problems, Loogy, but try a bit harder. I stated
you were an anonymous asshole who hides here behind the screen name
Loogy. It seems to me that is indisputable, eh?


B. I've never listed "all the construction sites" where I've worked. I
listed a couple, but generically. Incidentally, I did not state what my
work role was on those few sites, did I? As an example, on the
suspension bridge, my role was not that of an iron worker, but as a
reporter and photographer whose articles and "art" ran in two magazines,
a newspaper, and on a couple of web sites. I've also worked at a site in
Michigan where a huge coke refractory was being built *and* in Ohio, I
"suited up" to enter a coke refractory being repaired while it was still
hot. And no, I'm not talking "Coca Cola" coke.
Another of your problems is that your little mind runs in either "black"
or "white" mode, and cannot handle abstract thinking.


C. The staircase in question, which I believe I mentioned here two years
ago, was fabricated, welded and installed on site. How do I know that?
Because I was on site for two days, and watched a bit of the
fabrication, welding and installation of the staircase *and* some
stainless safety railings being built up and installed for the garden
roofs of the condos. Another of your problems...your construction job as
a signalman on road repavings did not prepare you to comment on
construction generally.


Since SnottyScotty has been absent for a couple of days, I think, you
are holding down the chair as the Dumbest Poster in Rec.Boats. Congrats,
Loogy-Anonymous.








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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 08/04/2010 6:03 AM, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:58:54 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:


Agreed. Going for the little guy is stupid. Even though that is what
will happen.

Get the CEO, make him personally pay out of his own pocket $20,000,000
to the families without being re-imbursed by the company. And the
company match the payout to the families for another $20,000,000.

If they complain, double it.

If they still want to fight it, lay down criminal negligence carges on
top of it with jail time for the senior executives and board members.

Then there will be progress.

Or learn from the Chinese, and execute the CEOs. Fines just don't cut
it, when 25 are dead.

True. One think I will say about Chinese justice, it is harsh and not
corrupt. The crap that goes on here, would not occur there. Wagoner of
GM fame for example, he wouldn't have gotten a pension. He would have
been begging for his life for stiffing all the lenders. And he would have
been executed as a mercy act.

--
Liberal-statism is an addiction to other peoples money.


China's legal system not corrupt???? Yeah, those show trials are just for
our benefit. They're really humanitarians deep down.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:18:15 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:40:56 -0400, hk
wrote:

W.Va. mine owner accused of putting safety second

As someone who was the safety officer at a big US corporation, the
biggest problem is making the employees actually follow the safety
procedures. My wife had a similar problem in the construction
industry.

oh, goodie!! i'm a chemical engineer and work on stuff that would curl
your hair!

izzit OK if i just dump it in your neighborhood, or near your kids?