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Tired of the ICW
My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee
waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...estongyre.html |
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"Don White" wrote in message
... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...estongyre.html It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait.... -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Apr 5, 9:31*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out?http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/... Thanks for posting that, Don. That's really interesting. |
Tired of the ICW
"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Maybe. If I recall correctly, the Gulf stream extends very close to parts of the Florida coast, particularly during the winter months. I think I remember as close as 3 miles in some areas, however I could be wrong, But, that shouldn't bother you. Hug the coast and use your charts. The current will be weak and shouldn't affect you much, I don't think. Then again, when I was in that area I had close to 1000 hp to push me through it. Eisboch |
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On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Don wrote in message ... wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...estongyre.html It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait.... It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out, poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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On Apr 6, 6:38*am, hk wrote:
On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Don *wrote in message . .. *wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/.... It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait.... It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out, poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that dangerous world out there. |
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On 4/6/10 8:09 AM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 6, 6:38 am, wrote: On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Don wrote in message ... wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/... It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait.... It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out, poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that dangerous world out there. Froggy's boat has issues. I wouldn't leave the marina in it. I'm sure there is no reason for your kid(s) to take practice exams...with the genetics you contributed to them, they'll be lucky to qualify for the Army. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? You can minimize the current by staying right along the beach in 20 to 30 ft of water but you will still have half a knot or so against you in many places. If I were in Stuart going to the Bahamas, I'd skip Miami and Bimini and go directly across to the Bahamas from either Fort Pierce or Port St Lucie. The Pt St Lucie inlet can be dangerous at times so be careful with that. There are several ways to cross the banks and clear customs once you get to the Bahamas via this route. Drop me an EMAIL at my GMAIL address if you want more details. Another popular alternative is to go south only as far as Lake Worth Inlet at Palm Beach and cross over to West End which is a port of entry. Be advised that you will need $150 in US cash and passports to clear customs in the Bahamas. You'll also need a yellow "Q" flag and a Bahamian courtesy flag, both available at West Marine. |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 09:31:01 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? You can minimize the current by staying right along the beach in 20 to 30 ft of water but you will still have half a knot or so against you in many places. If I were in Stuart going to the Bahamas, I'd skip Miami and Bimini and go directly across to the Bahamas from either Fort Pierce or Port St Lucie. The Pt St Lucie inlet can be dangerous at times so be careful with that. There are several ways to cross the banks and clear customs once you get to the Bahamas via this route. Drop me an EMAIL at my GMAIL address if you want more details. Another popular alternative is to go south only as far as Lake Worth Inlet at Palm Beach and cross over to West End which is a port of entry. Be advised that you will need $150 in US cash and passports to clear customs in the Bahamas. You'll also need a yellow "Q" flag and a Bahamian courtesy flag, both available at West Marine. If you haven't already done this, you'll also want to sign up for the US Local Boater Option (LBO) which allows you to clear back in to the United States with a phone call. Otherwise you may have to leave the boat somewhere, rent a car, and drive to Miami which is a real PITA. Everyone on the boat needs to have a LBO number but it is an easy procedure. You probably have a "Port of Entry" up in the panhandle where you could sign up. http://www.noonsite.com/Members/sue/R2010-03-12-1 =========== How and where do I sign up? Make an appointment to sign up for the Local Boater Option at local ports of entry. South Florida ports of entry include: Key West (305-296-2233); Port Everglades (954-761-2000); West Palm Beach (561-848-6922); and Port of Miami (305-536-4758). ============= |
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On Apr 6, 9:44*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 09:31:01 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? You can minimize the current by staying right along the beach in 20 to 30 ft of water but you will still have half a knot or so against you in many places. * If I were in Stuart going to the Bahamas, I'd skip Miami and Bimini and go directly across to the Bahamas from either Fort Pierce or Port St Lucie. * The Pt St Lucie inlet can be dangerous at times so be careful with that. *There are several ways to cross the banks and clear customs once you get to the Bahamas via this route. Drop me an EMAIL at my GMAIL address if you want more details. Another popular alternative is to go south only as far as Lake Worth Inlet at Palm Beach and cross over to West End which is a port of entry. * Be advised that you will need $150 in US cash and *passports to clear customs in the Bahamas. *You'll also need a yellow "Q" flag and a Bahamian courtesy flag, both available at West Marine. If you haven't already done this, you'll also want to sign up for the US Local Boater Option (LBO) which allows you to clear back in to the United States with a phone call. *Otherwise you may have to leave the boat somewhere, rent a car, and drive to Miami which is a real PITA. Everyone on the boat needs to have a LBO number but it is an easy procedure. *You probably have a "Port of Entry" up in the panhandle where you could sign up. http://www.noonsite.com/Members/sue/R2010-03-12-1 =========== How and where do I sign up? Make an appointment to sign up for the Local Boater Option at local ports of entry. South Florida ports of entry include: Key West (305-296-2233); Port Everglades (954-761-2000); West Palm Beach (561-848-6922); and Port of Miami (305-536-4758). ============= I have a 13 hp engine and can make 6.5 kts in calm water using it. Yes, My strategy is to use the gulf stream current instead of fighting it. People say "Do not try to cross if there is any N or any near term projected North in the wind". Most of the time the wind is SE meaning that going straight across (90 degrees), I would have to aim about 100 degrees to take into account the current meaning sailing would be difficult to West End from Lake Worth inlet although that is what most people do. However, I am going to the Berry Islands so I need to go to Bimini first meaning leaving from Miami is the best option I think. With a SE wind, no way I am going to sail right up against the shore, lee shore and all that. |
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On Apr 6, 8:19*am, hk wrote:
On 4/6/10 8:09 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 6, 6:38 am, *wrote: On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Don * *wrote in message . .. * *wrote in message .... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/.... It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait.... It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out, poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that dangerous world out there. Froggy's boat has issues. I wouldn't leave the marina in it. I'm sure there is no reason for your kid(s) to take practice exams...with the genetics you contributed to them, they'll be lucky to qualify for the Army. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What "issues". ANY boat, even brand new can break down. Just stay in your basement, you'll be okay. |
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On Apr 6, 8:19*am, hk wrote:
On 4/6/10 8:09 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 6, 6:38 am, *wrote: On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Don * *wrote in message . .. * *wrote in message .... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/.... It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait.... It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out, poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that dangerous world out there. Froggy's boat has issues. I wouldn't leave the marina in it. I'm sure there is no reason for your kid(s) to take practice exams...with the genetics you contributed to them, they'll be lucky to qualify for the Army. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, and by the way, what in HELL would a "practice exam" do to help you gain intelligence? My daughter, in her first year in high school, is in the gifted program. Next year, her classes include some that give the appropriate college credits. |
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On 4/6/10 10:13 AM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 6, 8:19 am, wrote: On 4/6/10 8:09 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 6, 6:38 am, wrote: On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Don wrote in message ... wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/... It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait.... It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out, poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that dangerous world out there. Froggy's boat has issues. I wouldn't leave the marina in it. I'm sure there is no reason for your kid(s) to take practice exams...with the genetics you contributed to them, they'll be lucky to qualify for the Army. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, and by the way, what in HELL would a "practice exam" do to help you gain intelligence? My daughter, in her first year in high school, is in the gifted program. Next year, her classes include some that give the appropriate college credits. So, she was adopted, eh? Practice exams are designed to teach you about the exams, so you'll gain insight and be better prepared when you take the actual exams. I don't know what is being done in SAT tests these days, but I recall taking the practice SATs in the 9th and 10th grades, and the actual SATs and the "Achievements" in the 11th grade, along with the National Merits. I'm sure those exams and the procedures have been upgraded to take into account today's less literate students. -- Conservatives - just pretend Obama's health care legislation is another unnecessary war and you'll feel better about it. |
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On 4/6/10 10:03 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 6, 9:44 am, wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 09:31:01 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? You can minimize the current by staying right along the beach in 20 to 30 ft of water but you will still have half a knot or so against you in many places. If I were in Stuart going to the Bahamas, I'd skip Miami and Bimini and go directly across to the Bahamas from either Fort Pierce or Port St Lucie. The Pt St Lucie inlet can be dangerous at times so be careful with that. There are several ways to cross the banks and clear customs once you get to the Bahamas via this route. Drop me an EMAIL at my GMAIL address if you want more details. Another popular alternative is to go south only as far as Lake Worth Inlet at Palm Beach and cross over to West End which is a port of entry. Be advised that you will need $150 in US cash and passports to clear customs in the Bahamas. You'll also need a yellow "Q" flag and a Bahamian courtesy flag, both available at West Marine. If you haven't already done this, you'll also want to sign up for the US Local Boater Option (LBO) which allows you to clear back in to the United States with a phone call. Otherwise you may have to leave the boat somewhere, rent a car, and drive to Miami which is a real PITA. Everyone on the boat needs to have a LBO number but it is an easy procedure. You probably have a "Port of Entry" up in the panhandle where you could sign up. http://www.noonsite.com/Members/sue/R2010-03-12-1 =========== How and where do I sign up? Make an appointment to sign up for the Local Boater Option at local ports of entry. South Florida ports of entry include: Key West (305-296-2233); Port Everglades (954-761-2000); West Palm Beach (561-848-6922); and Port of Miami (305-536-4758). ============= I have a 13 hp engine and can make 6.5 kts in calm water using it. Yes, My strategy is to use the gulf stream current instead of fighting it. People say "Do not try to cross if there is any N or any near term projected North in the wind". Most of the time the wind is SE meaning that going straight across (90 degrees), I would have to aim about 100 degrees to take into account the current meaning sailing would be difficult to West End from Lake Worth inlet although that is what most people do. However, I am going to the Berry Islands so I need to go to Bimini first meaning leaving from Miami is the best option I think. With a SE wind, no way I am going to sail right up against the shore, lee shore and all that. Berry Islands? Not a place for freeloaders and deal seekers like you. -- Conservatives - just pretend Obama's health care legislation is another unnecessary war and you'll feel better about it. |
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 07:03:00 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: People say "Do not try to cross if there is any N or any near term projected North in the wind". Most of the time the wind is SE meaning that going straight across (90 degrees) I wouldn't count on being able to sail across in a south easterly. Many days when it is calm enough to cross there is barely any wind at all. Most people like to leave at the crack of dawn and motor due east to get out of the stream as soon as possible before the afternoon breeze kicks in. Make sure you have more than enough fuel on board to motor the entire distance if you need to. |
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On Apr 6, 10:24*am, hk wrote:
On 4/6/10 10:13 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 6, 8:19 am, *wrote: On 4/6/10 8:09 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 6, 6:38 am, * *wrote: On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Don * * *wrote in message t... * * *wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/... It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait.... It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out, poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that dangerous world out there. Froggy's boat has issues. I wouldn't leave the marina in it. I'm sure there is no reason for your kid(s) to take practice exams...with the genetics you contributed to them, they'll be lucky to qualify for the Army. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, and by the way, what in HELL would a "practice exam" do to help you gain intelligence? My daughter, in her first year in high school, is in the gifted program. Next year, her classes include some that give the appropriate college credits. So, she was adopted, eh? No, she's a product of two intelligent parents who love her, but allow here the freedom to explore and if need be fail as opposed to locking her in a sealed room so as to not gain any worldly experience. If we did that, she'd turn out like you, a scared man sitting in his basement all day lying about your life because you didn't get to do anything. Practice exams are designed to teach you about the exams, so you'll gain insight and be better prepared when you take the actual exams. I don't know what is being done in SAT tests these days, but I recall taking the practice SATs in the 9th and 10th grades, and the actual SATs and the "Achievements" in the 11th grade, along with the National Merits. I'm sure those exams and the procedures have been upgraded to take into account today's less literate students. I went to a school where they actually TAUGHT you, as opposed to just giving you the answers via a "practice test", and that's what they are doing in schools here also. |
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On 4/6/10 11:50 AM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 6, 10:24 am, wrote: On 4/6/10 10:13 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 6, 8:19 am, wrote: On 4/6/10 8:09 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 6, 6:38 am, wrote: On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Don wrote in message ... wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/... It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait.... It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out, poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that dangerous world out there. Froggy's boat has issues. I wouldn't leave the marina in it. I'm sure there is no reason for your kid(s) to take practice exams...with the genetics you contributed to them, they'll be lucky to qualify for the Army. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, and by the way, what in HELL would a "practice exam" do to help you gain intelligence? My daughter, in her first year in high school, is in the gifted program. Next year, her classes include some that give the appropriate college credits. So, she was adopted, eh? No, she's a product of two intelligent parents who love her So, how did you get in on that? Practice exams are designed to teach you about the exams, so you'll gain insight and be better prepared when you take the actual exams. I don't know what is being done in SAT tests these days, but I recall taking the practice SATs in the 9th and 10th grades, and the actual SATs and the "Achievements" in the 11th grade, along with the National Merits. I'm sure those exams and the procedures have been upgraded to take into account today's less literate students. I went to a school where they actually TAUGHT you, as opposed to just giving you the answers via a "practice test", and that's what they are doing in schools here also. Uhhh, no, **** for brains...the PSATs were provided by the national testing service, and the "answers" were not given. The practice tests typically were made up from questions from previous exams and, as I stated, were offered to help future testers get used to the sorts of questions asked and the formats in which they were presented. We didn't learn answers because we had no idea what the questions might be on the "for real" tests. You obviously never took the SATs. And more obviously, you never went to a school where you were taught...if you had, you wouldn't be the dunce you are now. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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Wayne.B wrote in
: Lake Worth Be mindful of the channel in "Lake Worth", a misnamed FLORIDA SWAMP that's only a few inches deep. I dragged a 6' 6" keel over the sand IN THE CHANNEL across that damned thing and will never do that again! We did pretty good. We only ran aground harder than the engine could overcome about 6 times and only one of those resulted in having to beg the locals for a towrope. Sailboats belong at SEA. Thanks! -- "iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!" Larry |
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On Apr 6, 11:55*am, hk wrote:
On 4/6/10 11:50 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 6, 10:24 am, *wrote: On 4/6/10 10:13 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 6, 8:19 am, * *wrote: On 4/6/10 8:09 AM, Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 6, 6:38 am, * * *wrote: On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Don * * * *wrote in message . net... * * * *wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/... It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait.... It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out, poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hidequotedtext - - Show quoted text - Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that dangerous world out there. Froggy's boat has issues. I wouldn't leave the marina in it. I'm sure there is no reason for your kid(s) to take practice exams...with the genetics you contributed to them, they'll be lucky to qualify for the Army. --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, and by the way, what in HELL would a "practice exam" do to help you gain intelligence? My daughter, in her first year in high school, is in the gifted program. Next year, her classes include some that give the appropriate college credits. So, she was adopted, eh? No, she's a product of two intelligent parents who love her So, how did you get in on that? Practice exams are designed to teach you about the exams, so you'll gain insight and be better prepared when you take the actual exams. I don't know what is being done in SAT tests these days, but I recall taking the practice SATs in the 9th and 10th grades, and the actual SATs and the "Achievements" in the 11th grade, along with the National Merits. I'm sure those exams and the procedures have been upgraded to take into account today's less literate students. I went to a school where they actually TAUGHT you, as opposed to just giving you the answers via a "practice test", and that's what they are doing in schools here also. Uhhh, no, **** for brains...the PSATs were provided by the national testing service, and the "answers" were not given. The practice tests typically were made up from questions from previous exams and, as I stated, were offered to help future testers get used to the sorts of questions asked and the formats in which they were presented. Damn, I could figure out the format of a test in the first couple of minutes of the real test. We didn't learn answers because we had no idea what the questions might be on the "for real" tests. You obviously never took the SATs. And more obviously, you never went to a school where you were taught...if you had, you wouldn't be the dunce you are now. Gee, let's see, I have a very successful career, so much so that, unlike you I don't have to lie about every aspect of it. My wife is successful as well, so I don't have to lie about HER accomplishments like you do your wife's. My daughter is a straight A student, and is gifted, so much so that we have to choose which accelerated and gifted programs to put her in, as her advisors want her to do them all. My son is an AB student, and I suspect that when he gets out of grade school, he'll find what he really likes and will do well. Oh, and if you don't believe me, there are several here that know about me, my wife, and my kids and of our accomplishments. Now, go make up some more lies about your life and your wife. |
Tired of the ICW
On 4/6/10 1:03 PM, Loogypicker wrote:
Gee, let's see, I have a very successful career, so much so that, unlike you I don't have to lie about every aspect of it. My wife is successful as well, so I don't have to lie about HER accomplishments like you do your wife's. My daughter is a straight A student, and is gifted, so much so that we have to choose which accelerated and gifted programs to put her in, as her advisors want her to do them all. My son is an AB student, and I suspect that when he gets out of grade school, he'll find what he really likes and will do well. Oh, and if you don't believe me, there are several here that know about me, my wife, and my kids and of our accomplishments. Now, go make up some more lies about your life and your wife. Sorry, Loogy, but I don't believe any of the claims you make about yourself. You can't keep your travel intentions straight from one post to another on the same day, your understanding of the world is really warped, you suffer from perseveration problems, you are inarticulate, and according to the reports I've seen, you drool. Add that to your rating as the second-dumbest poster in rec.boats, and I doubt you are even the best STOP-GO sign holder on the road repaving site. You're just a dumb**** and will always be one. And...you have a short fuse. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? You can minimize the current by staying right along the beach in 20 to 30 ft of water but you will still have half a knot or so against you in many places. This is due to the smaller volume of water (shallow vs. deep)? Or is something else going on? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Apr 5, 10:59*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 5, 9:31*pm, "Don White" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out?http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/... Thanks for posting that, Don. That's really interesting. I always wondered what the 'bump' was.... Cool there's technology for this kind of stuff. |
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On Apr 6, 1:08*pm, hk wrote:
On 4/6/10 1:03 PM, Loogypicker wrote: Gee, let's see, I have a very successful career, so much so that, unlike you I don't have to lie about every aspect of it. My wife is successful as well, so I don't have to lie about HER accomplishments like you do your wife's. My daughter is a straight A student, and is gifted, so much so that we have to choose which accelerated and gifted programs to put her in, as her advisors want her to do them all. My son is an AB student, and I suspect that when he gets out of grade school, he'll find what he really likes and will do well. Oh, and if you don't believe me, there are several here that know about me, my wife, and my kids and of our accomplishments. Now, go make up some more lies about your life and your wife. Sorry, Loogy, but I don't believe any of the claims you make about yourself. You can't keep your travel intentions straight from one post to another on the same day, Sure I can, but, unlike you, I'm able to change. And you still must make up lies about you and your wife. I don't. your understanding of the world is really warped, How so? you suffer from perseveration problems, No, sorry you are inarticulate, No sorry. and according to the reports I've seen, you drool. And that's another lie. But then again, you never tell the truth about anything. Add that to your rating as the second-dumbest poster in rec.boats, and I doubt you are even the best STOP-GO sign holder on the road repaving site. Yeah, sure. Hey, when you tell yourself enough lies, do you actually begin to believe them? You're just a dumb**** and will always be one. But MUCH smarter than you. Again, I don't have to make up lies about my education, right Mr. Yale degree? And...you have a short fuse. No, I just don't take crap from low life scum like you. |
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Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 6, 1:08 pm, hk wrote: On 4/6/10 1:03 PM, Loogypicker wrote: Gee, let's see, I have a very successful career, so much so that, unlike you I don't have to lie about every aspect of it. My wife is successful as well, so I don't have to lie about HER accomplishments like you do your wife's. My daughter is a straight A student, and is gifted, so much so that we have to choose which accelerated and gifted programs to put her in, as her advisors want her to do them all. My son is an AB student, and I suspect that when he gets out of grade school, he'll find what he really likes and will do well. Oh, and if you don't believe me, there are several here that know about me, my wife, and my kids and of our accomplishments. Now, go make up some more lies about your life and your wife. Sorry, Loogy, but I don't believe any of the claims you make about yourself. You can't keep your travel intentions straight from one post to another on the same day, Sure I can, but, unlike you, I'm able to change. And you still must make up lies about you and your wife. I don't. your understanding of the world is really warped, How so? you suffer from perseveration problems, No, sorry you are inarticulate, No sorry. and according to the reports I've seen, you drool. And that's another lie. But then again, you never tell the truth about anything. Add that to your rating as the second-dumbest poster in rec.boats, and I doubt you are even the best STOP-GO sign holder on the road repaving site. Yeah, sure. Hey, when you tell yourself enough lies, do you actually begin to believe them? You're just a dumb**** and will always be one. But MUCH smarter than you. Again, I don't have to make up lies about my education, right Mr. Yale degree? And...you have a short fuse. No, I just don't take crap from low life scum like you. Show a little respect Loogie. Krause will soon have Dr. in front of his name. "Dr. and Mr. Karen Grear" |
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Frogwatch wrote:
My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Sometimes you just must go with the flow. First you probably don't want to mess with Saint Lucie Inlet unless you have local help or guidance of some sort. Also there is little benefit running north in a slow sailboat to Fort Pierce, which is a fine inlet, but, well, the opposite direction from where you would like to go. Whatever happens you don't want to go against the Stream for any period of time. It's just silly. Try what Wayne suggested. Bite the bullet and "drive" south to West Palm or Lauderdale, and then shoot over to Bimini. It's an easy hop and you should make it in one day, but if not you can anchor safely on the Banks in reasonable weather if necessary. The Berries are easy from Bimini. When you begin to notice that everyone else does it this way, you will be happy you did also. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:37:46 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? You can minimize the current by staying right along the beach in 20 to 30 ft of water but you will still have half a knot or so against you in many places. This is due to the smaller volume of water (shallow vs. deep)? Or is something else going on? It's a combination of being as far away from the center axis of the stream as possible, combined with the friction/constriction of shallow water along the shore. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:37:46 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? You can minimize the current by staying right along the beach in 20 to 30 ft of water but you will still have half a knot or so against you in many places. This is due to the smaller volume of water (shallow vs. deep)? Or is something else going on? It's a combination of being as far away from the center axis of the stream as possible, combined with the friction/constriction of shallow water along the shore. Center axis or mid-point (both vertically and horizontally would be an issue), so the axis must be in the center of the channel. But... the axis would have to be offset proximal to the surface, since the seabed at center channel would have less friction than the sea surface (air). So, where the water is the most shallow, there is greater surface friction on the seabed. I understand that. So with regard to the constriction portion, it seems like that would be a back-eddy or countervailing current to the main flow. Water isn't usually considered as compressible, so that can't be it. It seems like the friction and the backflow are the key factors. I wonder which one is more significant. The factor that would lower the axis seems to depend on "sea state" (e.g., storm conditions), since would create more back-eddy (at the surface) and perhaps significant waves would increase friction due to increase in friction. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Frogwatch wrote:
My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? That would depend on where the Gulfstream is at the time. It moves and changes. |
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Don White wrote:
wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...estongyre.html He would need real-time information. That wasn't a chart, BTW. |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...estongyre.html He would need real-time information. That wasn't a chart, BTW. Umm... why? Did sailors of earlier times need real-time information to make such a trip? Sure, it'd be nice, but I doubt it's a matter of need. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Apr 6, 6:22*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: *wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/.... He would need real-time information. *That wasn't a chart, BTW. Umm... why? Did sailors of earlier times need real-time information to make such a trip? Sure, it'd be nice, but I doubt it's a matter of need. -- Nom=de=Plume A. I am a chicken fair weather sailor (really) B. 5 kts is slow and I want to get there. C. Knowing stuff keeps bad stuf from happening. D. Did I mention I am chicken? True, that was not a chart and so far it has been useless. |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...estongyre.html He would need real-time information. That wasn't a chart, BTW. Duh, no kidding! |
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Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 6, 6:22 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/... He would need real-time information. That wasn't a chart, BTW. Umm... why? Did sailors of earlier times need real-time information to make such a trip? Sure, it'd be nice, but I doubt it's a matter of need. -- Nom=de=Plume A. I am a chicken fair weather sailor (really) B. 5 kts is slow and I want to get there. C. Knowing stuff keeps bad stuf from happening. D. Did I mention I am chicken? True, that was not a chart and so far it has been useless. When you get to the jump-off point, be sure to form up with others for the crossing. You'll do fine. Jim |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
... On Apr 6, 6:22 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/... He would need real-time information. That wasn't a chart, BTW. Umm... why? Did sailors of earlier times need real-time information to make such a trip? Sure, it'd be nice, but I doubt it's a matter of need. -- Nom=de=Plume A. I am a chicken fair weather sailor (really) B. 5 kts is slow and I want to get there. C. Knowing stuff keeps bad stuf from happening. D. Did I mention I am chicken? True, that was not a chart and so far it has been useless. While I enjoyed your list and certainly agree about erring on the side of caution, I was really responding to the nonsensical notion of "needing" real time information beyond simple observation. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Apr 6, 6:22 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/... He would need real-time information. That wasn't a chart, BTW. Umm... why? Did sailors of earlier times need real-time information to make such a trip? Sure, it'd be nice, but I doubt it's a matter of need. -- Nom=de=Plume A. I am a chicken fair weather sailor (really) B. 5 kts is slow and I want to get there. C. Knowing stuff keeps bad stuf from happening. D. Did I mention I am chicken? True, that was not a chart and so far it has been useless. --------- http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/11460.shtml not as good as the paper kind |
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On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:50:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: Center axis or mid-point (both vertically and horizontally would be an issue), so the axis must be in the center of the channel. There is no channel, the Gulf Stream is free running although it favors the deeper water off the continental shelf. Center axis and mid-point have approximately the same meaning applied to the stream; it is basically the region of strongest current flow and it varies over time as the stream meanders. The farther you get from the center axis/mid-point, the weaker the current. The eastern edge of the stream is constrained by the Bahamas Banks, approximately 40 miles from the center axis, the western edge of the stream is constrained by the Florida shore which at times is only 6 to 8 miles off axis. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:50:31 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Center axis or mid-point (both vertically and horizontally would be an issue), so the axis must be in the center of the channel. There is no channel, the Gulf Stream is free running although it favors the deeper water off the continental shelf. Center axis and mid-point have approximately the same meaning applied to the stream; it is basically the region of strongest current flow and it varies over time as the stream meanders. The farther you get from the center axis/mid-point, the weaker the current. The eastern edge of the stream is constrained by the Bahamas Banks, approximately 40 miles from the center axis, the western edge of the stream is constrained by the Florida shore which at times is only 6 to 8 miles off axis. Interesting... learned something new about the GS. Thanks! -- Nom=de=Plume |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...estongyre.html He would need real-time information. That wasn't a chart, BTW. Umm... why? Did sailors of earlier times need real-time information to make such a trip? Sure, it'd be nice, but I doubt it's a matter of need. You are shopping for a tiny sailboat? You should realize your aren't qualified to comment on every post you read. |
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Don White wrote:
wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.? Wouldn't the charts point this out? http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...estongyre.html He would need real-time information. That wasn't a chart, BTW. Duh, no kidding! So why did you suggest that a chart would point out real-time data? |
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