On Apr 6, 9:44*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 09:31:01 -0400, Wayne.B



wrote:
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee
waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I
need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I
would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to
Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems
with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.?

You can minimize the current by staying right along the beach in 20 to
30 ft of water but you will still have half a knot or so against you
in many places. * If I were in Stuart going to the Bahamas, I'd skip
Miami and Bimini and go directly across to the Bahamas from either
Fort Pierce or Port St Lucie. * The Pt St Lucie inlet can be dangerous
at times so be careful with that. *There are several ways to cross the
banks and clear customs once you get to the Bahamas via this route.
Drop me an EMAIL at my GMAIL address if you want more details.

Another popular alternative is to go south only as far as Lake Worth
Inlet at Palm Beach and cross over to West End which is a port of
entry. * Be advised that you will need $150 in US cash and *passports
to clear customs in the Bahamas. *You'll also need a yellow "Q" flag
and a Bahamian courtesy flag, both available at West Marine.

If you haven't already done this, you'll also want to sign up for the
US Local Boater Option (LBO) which allows you to clear back in to the
United States with a phone call. *Otherwise you may have to leave the
boat somewhere, rent a car, and drive to Miami which is a real PITA.

Everyone on the boat needs to have a LBO number but it is an easy
procedure. *You probably have a "Port of Entry" up in the panhandle
where you could sign up.

http://www.noonsite.com/Members/sue/R2010-03-12-1

===========

How and where do I sign up?

Make an appointment to sign up for the Local Boater Option at local
ports of entry.

South Florida ports of entry include: Key West (305-296-2233); Port
Everglades (954-761-2000); West Palm Beach (561-848-6922); and Port of
Miami (305-536-4758).

=============

I have a 13 hp engine and can make 6.5 kts in calm water using it.
Yes, My strategy is to use the gulf stream current instead of fighting
it.
People say "Do not try to cross if there is any N or any near term
projected North in the wind". Most of the time the wind is SE meaning
that going straight across (90 degrees), I would have to aim about 100
degrees to take into account the current meaning sailing would be
difficult to West End from Lake Worth inlet although that is what most
people do. However, I am going to the Berry Islands so I need to go
to Bimini first meaning leaving from Miami is the best option I think.
With a SE wind, no way I am going to sail right up against the shore,
lee shore and all that.

On Apr 6, 8:19*am, hk wrote:
On 4/6/10 8:09 AM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 6, 6:38 am, *wrote:
On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Don * *wrote in message
. ..

* *wrote in message
....
My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee
waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I
need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I
would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to
Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems
with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.?

Wouldn't the charts point this out?
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/....

It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait....

It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out,
poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going
through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids
in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that
dangerous world out there.

Froggy's boat has issues. I wouldn't leave the marina in it.
I'm sure there is no reason for your kid(s) to take practice
exams...with the genetics you contributed to them, they'll be lucky to
qualify for the Army.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What "issues". ANY boat, even brand new can break down. Just stay in
your basement, you'll be okay.

On Apr 6, 8:19*am, hk wrote:
On 4/6/10 8:09 AM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 6, 6:38 am, *wrote:
On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Don * *wrote in message
. ..

* *wrote in message
....
My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee
waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I
need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I
would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to
Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems
with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.?

Wouldn't the charts point this out?
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/....

It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait....

It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out,
poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going
through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids
in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that
dangerous world out there.

Froggy's boat has issues. I wouldn't leave the marina in it.
I'm sure there is no reason for your kid(s) to take practice
exams...with the genetics you contributed to them, they'll be lucky to
qualify for the Army.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, and by the way, what in HELL would a "practice exam" do to help
you gain intelligence? My daughter, in her first year in high school,
is in the gifted program. Next year, her classes include some that
give the appropriate college credits.

On 4/6/10 10:13 AM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 6, 8:19 am, wrote:
On 4/6/10 8:09 AM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 6, 6:38 am, wrote:
On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Don wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee
waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I
need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I
would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to
Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems
with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.?

Wouldn't the charts point this out?
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/...

It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait....

It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out,
poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going
through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids
in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that
dangerous world out there.

Froggy's boat has issues. I wouldn't leave the marina in it.
I'm sure there is no reason for your kid(s) to take practice
exams...with the genetics you contributed to them, they'll be lucky to
qualify for the Army.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, and by the way, what in HELL would a "practice exam" do to help
you gain intelligence? My daughter, in her first year in high school,
is in the gifted program. Next year, her classes include some that
give the appropriate college credits.


So, she was adopted, eh?

Practice exams are designed to teach you about the exams, so you'll gain
insight and be better prepared when you take the actual exams.

I don't know what is being done in SAT tests these days, but I
recall taking the practice SATs in the 9th and 10th grades, and the
actual SATs and the "Achievements" in the 11th grade, along with the
National Merits. I'm sure those exams and the procedures have been
upgraded to take into account today's less literate students.







--
Conservatives - just pretend Obama's health care legislation is another
unnecessary war and you'll feel better about it.

On 4/6/10 10:03 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 6, 9:44 am, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 09:31:01 -0400, Wayne.B



wrote:
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee
waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I
need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I
would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to
Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems
with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.?

You can minimize the current by staying right along the beach in 20 to
30 ft of water but you will still have half a knot or so against you
in many places. If I were in Stuart going to the Bahamas, I'd skip
Miami and Bimini and go directly across to the Bahamas from either
Fort Pierce or Port St Lucie. The Pt St Lucie inlet can be dangerous
at times so be careful with that. There are several ways to cross the
banks and clear customs once you get to the Bahamas via this route.
Drop me an EMAIL at my GMAIL address if you want more details.

Another popular alternative is to go south only as far as Lake Worth
Inlet at Palm Beach and cross over to West End which is a port of
entry. Be advised that you will need $150 in US cash and passports
to clear customs in the Bahamas. You'll also need a yellow "Q" flag
and a Bahamian courtesy flag, both available at West Marine.

If you haven't already done this, you'll also want to sign up for the
US Local Boater Option (LBO) which allows you to clear back in to the
United States with a phone call. Otherwise you may have to leave the
boat somewhere, rent a car, and drive to Miami which is a real PITA.

Everyone on the boat needs to have a LBO number but it is an easy
procedure. You probably have a "Port of Entry" up in the panhandle
where you could sign up.

http://www.noonsite.com/Members/sue/R2010-03-12-1

===========

How and where do I sign up?

Make an appointment to sign up for the Local Boater Option at local
ports of entry.

South Florida ports of entry include: Key West (305-296-2233); Port
Everglades (954-761-2000); West Palm Beach (561-848-6922); and Port of
Miami (305-536-4758).

=============

I have a 13 hp engine and can make 6.5 kts in calm water using it.
Yes, My strategy is to use the gulf stream current instead of fighting
it.
People say "Do not try to cross if there is any N or any near term
projected North in the wind". Most of the time the wind is SE meaning
that going straight across (90 degrees), I would have to aim about 100
degrees to take into account the current meaning sailing would be
difficult to West End from Lake Worth inlet although that is what most
people do. However, I am going to the Berry Islands so I need to go
to Bimini first meaning leaving from Miami is the best option I think.
With a SE wind, no way I am going to sail right up against the shore,
lee shore and all that.




Berry Islands? Not a place for freeloaders and deal seekers like you.



--
Conservatives - just pretend Obama's health care legislation is another
unnecessary war and you'll feel better about it.

On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 07:03:00 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

People say "Do not try to cross if there is any N or any near term
projected North in the wind". Most of the time the wind is SE meaning
that going straight across (90 degrees)


I wouldn't count on being able to sail across in a south easterly.
Many days when it is calm enough to cross there is barely any wind at
all. Most people like to leave at the crack of dawn and motor due
east to get out of the stream as soon as possible before the afternoon
breeze kicks in. Make sure you have more than enough fuel on board
to motor the entire distance if you need to.

On Apr 6, 10:24*am, hk wrote:
On 4/6/10 10:13 AM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 6, 8:19 am, *wrote:
On 4/6/10 8:09 AM, Loogypicker wrote:

On Apr 6, 6:38 am, * *wrote:
On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Don * * *wrote in message
t...

* * *wrote in message
...
My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee
waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I
need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I
would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to
Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems
with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.?

Wouldn't the charts point this out?
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/...

It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait....

It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out,
poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hidequoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going
through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids
in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that
dangerous world out there.

Froggy's boat has issues. I wouldn't leave the marina in it.
I'm sure there is no reason for your kid(s) to take practice
exams...with the genetics you contributed to them, they'll be lucky to
qualify for the Army.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, and by the way, what in HELL would a "practice exam" do to help
you gain intelligence? My daughter, in her first year in high school,
is in the gifted program. Next year, her classes include some that
give the appropriate college credits.

So, she was adopted, eh?

No, she's a product of two intelligent parents who love her, but allow
here the freedom to explore and if need be fail as opposed to locking
her in a sealed room so as to not gain any worldly experience. If we
did that, she'd turn out like you, a scared man sitting in his
basement all day lying about your life because you didn't get to do
anything.

Practice exams are designed to teach you about the exams, so you'll gain
insight and be better prepared when you take the actual exams.

I don't know what is being done in SAT tests these days, but I
recall taking the practice SATs in the 9th and 10th grades, and the
actual SATs and the "Achievements" in the 11th grade, along with the
National Merits. I'm sure those exams and the procedures have been
upgraded to take into account today's less literate students.



I went to a school where they actually TAUGHT you, as opposed to just
giving you the answers via a "practice test", and that's what they are
doing in schools here also.

On 4/6/10 11:50 AM, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 6, 10:24 am, wrote:
On 4/6/10 10:13 AM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 6, 8:19 am, wrote:
On 4/6/10 8:09 AM, Loogypicker wrote:

On Apr 6, 6:38 am, wrote:
On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Don wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee
waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I
need to get to Miami. However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I
would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to
Miami. If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems
with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.?

Wouldn't the charts point this out?
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/...

It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait....

It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out,
poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hidequoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going
through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids
in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that
dangerous world out there.

Froggy's boat has issues. I wouldn't leave the marina in it.
I'm sure there is no reason for your kid(s) to take practice
exams...with the genetics you contributed to them, they'll be lucky to
qualify for the Army.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, and by the way, what in HELL would a "practice exam" do to help
you gain intelligence? My daughter, in her first year in high school,
is in the gifted program. Next year, her classes include some that
give the appropriate college credits.

So, she was adopted, eh?

No, she's a product of two intelligent parents who love her


So, how did you get in on that?



Practice exams are designed to teach you about the exams, so you'll gain
insight and be better prepared when you take the actual exams.

I don't know what is being done in SAT tests these days, but I
recall taking the practice SATs in the 9th and 10th grades, and the
actual SATs and the "Achievements" in the 11th grade, along with the
National Merits. I'm sure those exams and the procedures have been
upgraded to take into account today's less literate students.



I went to a school where they actually TAUGHT you, as opposed to just
giving you the answers via a "practice test", and that's what they are
doing in schools here also.


Uhhh, no, **** for brains...the PSATs were provided by the national
testing service, and the "answers" were not given. The practice tests
typically were made up from questions from previous exams and, as I
stated, were offered to help future testers get used to the sorts of
questions asked and the formats in which they were presented.

We didn't learn answers because we had no idea what the questions might
be on the "for real" tests.

You obviously never took the SATs. And more obviously, you never went to
a school where you were taught...if you had, you wouldn't be the dunce
you are now.



--
http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym

Wayne.B wrote in
:

Lake Worth

Be mindful of the channel in "Lake Worth", a misnamed FLORIDA SWAMP that's
only a few inches deep. I dragged a 6' 6" keel over the sand IN THE
CHANNEL across that damned thing and will never do that again!

We did pretty good. We only ran aground harder than the engine could
overcome about 6 times and only one of those resulted in having to beg the
locals for a towrope.

Sailboats belong at SEA. Thanks!


--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"

Larry

On Apr 6, 11:55*am, hk wrote:
On 4/6/10 11:50 AM, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 6, 10:24 am, *wrote:
On 4/6/10 10:13 AM, Loogypicker wrote:

On Apr 6, 8:19 am, * *wrote:
On 4/6/10 8:09 AM, Loogypicker wrote:

On Apr 6, 6:38 am, * * *wrote:
On 4/5/10 11:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Don * * * *wrote in message
. net...

* * * *wrote in message
...
My 28' sailboat is now in Stuart, Fl after transiting the Okechobee
waterway but I want to get to Bimini and then to the Berry Is. so I
need to get to Miami. *However, I am now very tired of the ICW so I
would like to sail down the coast on the outside from Stuart to
Miami. *If I stay within 5 miles of land, will I have any problems
with the Gulf Stream pushing me N.?

Wouldn't the charts point this out?
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explor...round/geology/...

It's amazing what the gov't does for people... oh wait....

It'll be the government that rescues froggy after his clapped-out,
poorly maintained boat falls apart halfway to Bimini.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hidequotedtext -

- Show quoted text -

Your paranoia shines brightly again! It must be pure hell going
through life afraid of everything. So much so that you keep your kids
in their rooms doing practice tests so they won't be hurt in that
dangerous world out there.

Froggy's boat has issues. I wouldn't leave the marina in it.
I'm sure there is no reason for your kid(s) to take practice
exams...with the genetics you contributed to them, they'll be lucky to
qualify for the Army.

--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym-Hidequoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, and by the way, what in HELL would a "practice exam" do to help
you gain intelligence? My daughter, in her first year in high school,
is in the gifted program. Next year, her classes include some that
give the appropriate college credits.

So, she was adopted, eh?

No, she's a product of two intelligent parents who love her

So, how did you get in on that?



Practice exams are designed to teach you about the exams, so you'll gain
insight and be better prepared when you take the actual exams.

I don't know what is being done in SAT tests these days, but I
recall taking the practice SATs in the 9th and 10th grades, and the
actual SATs and the "Achievements" in the 11th grade, along with the
National Merits. I'm sure those exams and the procedures have been
upgraded to take into account today's less literate students.

I went to a school where they actually TAUGHT you, as opposed to just
giving you the answers via a "practice test", and that's what they are
doing in schools here also.

Uhhh, no, **** for brains...the PSATs were provided by the national
testing service, and the "answers" were not given. The practice tests
typically were made up from questions from previous exams and, as I
stated, were offered to help future testers get used to the sorts of
questions asked and the formats in which they were presented.

Damn, I could figure out the format of a test in the first couple of
minutes of the real test.

We didn't learn answers because we had no idea what the questions might
be on the "for real" tests.

You obviously never took the SATs. And more obviously, you never went to
a school where you were taught...if you had, you wouldn't be the dunce
you are now.

Gee, let's see, I have a very successful career, so much so that,
unlike you I don't have to lie about every aspect of it. My wife is
successful as well, so I don't have to lie about HER accomplishments
like you do your wife's. My daughter is a straight A student, and is
gifted, so much so that we have to choose which accelerated and gifted
programs to put her in, as her advisors want her to do them all. My
son is an AB student, and I suspect that when he gets out of grade
school, he'll find what he really likes and will do well. Oh, and if
you don't believe me, there are several here that know about me, my
wife, and my kids and of our accomplishments. Now, go make up some
more lies about your life and your wife.