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Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:49:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:11:43 -0400, John H wrote: Bjorn Lomborgy has some good ideas. The Democrats in the Senate walked out when he came on after Al Gore, but the guy has some good ideas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtbn9zBfJSs John, hope your recovery is coming along well. The problem is rampant political posting in a boating news group. Frankly I don't know what the solution is but you could help. Yeah, Wayne. I think I've posted about two in the past month. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
On 3/30/10 1:17 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:49:02 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:11:43 -0400, John wrote: Bjorn Lomborgy has some good ideas. The Democrats in the Senate walked out when he came on after Al Gore, but the guy has some good ideas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtbn9zBfJSs John, hope your recovery is coming along well. The problem is rampant political posting in a boating news group. Frankly I don't know what the solution is but you could help. Yeah, Wayne. I think I've posted about two in the past month. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v When's your next hospital stay? There is a pool in effect, you know. -- Conservatives - just pretend Obama's health care legislation is another unnecessary war and you'll feel better about it. |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:20:15 -0500, Peter Prick wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:49:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:11:43 -0400, John H wrote: Bjorn Lomborgy has some good ideas. The Democrats in the Senate walked out when he came on after Al Gore, but the guy has some good ideas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtbn9zBfJSs John, hope your recovery is coming along well. The problem is rampant political posting in a boating news group. Frankly I don't know what the solution is but you could help. Yeah, Wayne. I think I've posted about two in the past month. Don't worry about it. I'm hoping your recovery is swift and full. You'll be "back on your feet" soon. Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. I and mine are taken care of. If the people who voted him in are too stupid to realize what he's doing, then so be it. Bjorn Lomborg, on the other hand, has some good ideas. But, I can see that the lefties got all up in arms because he didn't support Al Gore. Maybe they'll wake up to the collusion the 'green folks' are performing. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
On 3/31/10 8:26 AM, John H wrote:
Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. **I and mine are taken care of.** That last sentence is all you need to know about herring. "I've got mine, so **** you." -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"hk" wrote in message m... On 3/31/10 8:26 AM, John H wrote: Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. **I and mine are taken care of.** That last sentence is all you need to know about herring. "I've got mine, so **** you." -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym ....and the funny thing is...he got it off Uncle Sams back. |
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On 3/31/10 9:00 AM, Don White wrote:
wrote in message m... On 3/31/10 8:26 AM, John H wrote: Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. **I and mine are taken care of.** That last sentence is all you need to know about herring. "I've got mine, so **** you." -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym ...and the funny thing is...he got it off Uncle Sams back. Yup. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
hk wrote:
On 3/31/10 8:26 AM, John H wrote: Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. **** That last sentence is all you need to know about herring. "I've got mine, so **** you." You had no problem relating to us that you and yours are well taken care of thanks to your sock full of gold coins and the union healthcare plan and pension you were so wise to arrange. Isn't that sort of like saying "I've got mine. **** you" Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. I and mine are taken care of. ***If the people who voted him in are too stupid to realize what he's doing, then so be it.*** The ***last*** sentence is really what got your carotid bulging and cut off your circulation. Right dummy? |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
Don White wrote:
"hk" wrote in message m... On 3/31/10 8:26 AM, John H wrote: Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. **I and mine are taken care of.** That last sentence is all you need to know about herring. "I've got mine, so **** you." -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym ...and the funny thing is...he got it off Uncle Sams back. Who's back are you riding? The Crown's? Government owned, isn't it? |
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"hk" wrote in message
m... On 3/31/10 8:26 AM, John H wrote: Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. **I and mine are taken care of.** That last sentence is all you need to know about herring. "I've got mine, so **** you." -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym Yes, exactly. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"Don White" wrote in message
... "hk" wrote in message m... On 3/31/10 8:26 AM, John H wrote: Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. **I and mine are taken care of.** That last sentence is all you need to know about herring. "I've got mine, so **** you." -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym ...and the funny thing is...he got it off Uncle Sams back. But, don't take away his Medicare! -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:20:13 -0400, anon-e-moose
wrote: hk wrote: On 3/31/10 8:26 AM, John H wrote: Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. **** That last sentence is all you need to know about herring. "I've got mine, so **** you." You had no problem relating to us that you and yours are well taken care of thanks to your sock full of gold coins and the union healthcare plan and pension you were so wise to arrange. Isn't that sort of like saying "I've got mine. **** you" Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. I and mine are taken care of. ***If the people who voted him in are too stupid to realize what he's doing, then so be it.*** The ***last*** sentence is really what got your carotid bulging and cut off your circulation. Right dummy? Reading for content was never a strong point of either Harry or Donnie. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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On 4/1/10 7:21 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:20:13 -0400, wrote: hk wrote: On 3/31/10 8:26 AM, John H wrote: Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. **** That last sentence is all you need to know about herring. "I've got mine, so **** you." You had no problem relating to us that you and yours are well taken care of thanks to your sock full of gold coins and the union healthcare plan and pension you were so wise to arrange. Isn't that sort of like saying "I've got mine. **** you" Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. I and mine are taken care of. ***If the people who voted him in are too stupid to realize what he's doing, then so be it.*** The ***last*** sentence is really what got your carotid bulging and cut off your circulation. Right dummy? Reading for content was never a strong point of either Harry or Donnie. -- John H For a great time, go here first... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." -- Your friendly neighborhood Christian patriots: http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"hk" wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Dammit! "pleasure of" ... |
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On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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"hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
hk wrote:
On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. John was prepared to sacrafice a great deal more than that. It's you that has the attitude, but of course you don't see it. |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:26:54 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message om... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch John was drafted. John had no college education and no money to get one. The Army provided the means to do so. But, for every carrot the Army offers, there is a stick. For each year of college, the Army charged two years of service. For promotions, other schools, etc, the Army has a charge. Eventually it's stupid to get out before retirement. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
On Mar 31, 8:39*am, hk wrote:
On 3/31/10 8:26 AM, John H wrote: Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. **I and mine are taken care of.** That last sentence is all you need to know about herring. "I've got mine, so **** you." --http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym It's April. Another response to Harry. Harry, you just don't get it. My comment about 'I and mine....' had no '**** you' therein. It had an acknowledgment that Obama and you liberals may succeed in your desire for socialism. You may end up with a 'ruling class' and everyone else. I have resigned myself to the fact that most of you folks don't have enough ****ing sense to realize what is happening to this country, and that no amount of talking is going to sway your opinion that Obama is some sort of mystical messiah. So be it. I'm not going to worry about it. Now, if that comes across as a, "I've got mine, **** you," then consider yourself ****ed. Until next month....maybe. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"John H" wrote in message
... On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:26:54 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:beWdnbBrIaRtFinWnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@earthlink. com... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch John was drafted. John had no college education and no money to get one. The Army provided the means to do so. But, for every carrot the Army offers, there is a stick. For each year of college, the Army charged two years of service. For promotions, other schools, etc, the Army has a charge. Eventually it's stupid to get out before retirement. Thus, you benefited at the gov't's expense. According to the arguments I've seen here from your side of the aisle, you should have pulled yourself up by your own bootstraps, got an education, made lots of money, etc., and not used the gov't as a crutch. I'm not dissing your service, but I am dissing the phoney argument that you're somehow better than others. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. Harry is full of ****e. If you want to address Harry, be my guest. I sense that you are too afraid of him to engage him though. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:26:54 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch John was drafted. John had no college education and no money to get one. The Army provided the means to do so. But, for every carrot the Army offers, there is a stick. For each year of college, the Army charged two years of service. For promotions, other schools, etc, the Army has a charge. Eventually it's stupid to get out before retirement. Thus, you benefited at the gov't's expense. According to the arguments I've seen here from your side of the aisle, you should have pulled yourself up by your own bootstraps, got an education, made lots of money, etc., and not used the gov't as a crutch. I'm not dissing your service, but I am dissing the phoney argument that you're somehow better than others. Good grief. You never cease to amaze. |
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"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. Harry is full of ****e. If you want to address Harry, be my guest. I sense that you are too afraid of him to engage him though. Full of it or not, he made a valid point, which hasn't been addressed. Looks like you're not going to address it either. Why is that typical... -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:47:13 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message om... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Those who can't create their own path choose the military. Just because he sucked the teat of the government for 20+ years doesn't mean he sacraficed anything. It was his chosen job and not even you, all knowing and seeing Eisboch, can know what was in his soul. A better insight into Herring is his undying support for all things conservative and white. He'd vote for a Republican who'd strip him of his military benefits before he'd support a Democrat who wanted to live up to the obligations of our country to support the men and women who sacraficed their bodies and mental stability during service. Herring is nothing to worship but certainly something to pity for his lack of perspective. |
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On 4/1/10 9:28 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 08:26:54 -0400, wrote: wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch John was drafted. John had no college education and no money to get one. The Army provided the means to do so. But, for every carrot the Army offers, there is a stick. For each year of college, the Army charged two years of service. For promotions, other schools, etc, the Army has a charge. Eventually it's stupid to get out before retirement. -- John H Especially, if, like you, you have no real marketable skills, eh? -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 14:11:12 -0400, anon-e-moose
wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. Harry is full of ****e. If you want to address Harry, be my guest. I sense that you are too afraid of him to engage him though. Golly, that's big of you to give Plume your blessing and permission to engage others. |
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On 4/1/10 3:22 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:47:13 -0400, wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Those who can't create their own path choose the military. Just because he sucked the teat of the government for 20+ years doesn't mean he sacraficed anything. It was his chosen job and not even you, all knowing and seeing Eisboch, can know what was in his soul. A better insight into Herring is his undying support for all things conservative and white. He'd vote for a Republican who'd strip him of his military benefits before he'd support a Democrat who wanted to live up to the obligations of our country to support the men and women who sacraficed their bodies and mental stability during service. Herring is nothing to worship but certainly something to pity for his lack of perspective. Herring is a racist...if he went to see Porgy & Bess, he'd wonder why "all those black actors" were up on the stage. -- Conservatives - just pretend Obama's health care legislation is another unnecessary war and you'll feel better about it. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. Harry is full of ****e. If you want to address Harry, be my guest. I sense that you are too afraid of him to engage him though. Full of it or not, he made a valid point, which hasn't been addressed. Looks like you're not going to address it either. Why is that typical... I didn't see Harry making a point,valid or otherwise. There doesn't seem to be any point to address. If you would care to discuss it with Harry, knock yourself out. You are a strange one, you are. |
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"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "anon-e-moose" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. Harry is full of ****e. If you want to address Harry, be my guest. I sense that you are too afraid of him to engage him though. Full of it or not, he made a valid point, which hasn't been addressed. Looks like you're not going to address it either. Why is that typical... I didn't see Harry making a point,valid or otherwise. There doesn't seem to be any point to address. If you would care to discuss it with Harry, knock yourself out. You are a strange one, you are. You don't see a lot. Perhaps you should look in the mirror. Oh wait.. that won't solve the problem. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"John H" wrote in message ... John was drafted. John had no college education and no money to get one. The Army provided the means to do so. But, for every carrot the Army offers, there is a stick. For each year of college, the Army charged two years of service. For promotions, other schools, etc, the Army has a charge. Eventually it's stupid to get out before retirement. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v Believe me, even with only 9 years, I had to think hard about leaving the service. I was only 28 years old. Another 11 years and I would have had a full retirement with benefits at 39 years old. Probably younger with the programs they had at the time. I don't regret leaving. Other than some interesting experiences during the first year of service, I enjoyed it, and I received much more in return than I gave, without doubt. Eisboch |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote (in response to JohnH) I'm not dissing your service, but I am dissing the phoney argument that you're somehow better than others. -- Nom=de=Plume Betcha he's better at golf than you are. Eisboch |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. -- Nom=de=Plume Sorry, but I've never read that in any of John's posts. Have you? Or are you just trying to stipulate that as a fact to further you arguments? Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "nom=de=plume" wrote (in response to JohnH) I'm not dissing your service, but I am dissing the phoney argument that you're somehow better than others. -- Nom=de=Plume Betcha he's better at golf than you are. Eisboch Good grief! I hope so. The last time I played golf I dinged the club house window from the first tee. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 18:52:34 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . John was drafted. John had no college education and no money to get one. The Army provided the means to do so. But, for every carrot the Army offers, there is a stick. For each year of college, the Army charged two years of service. For promotions, other schools, etc, the Army has a charge. Eventually it's stupid to get out before retirement. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v Believe me, even with only 9 years, I had to think hard about leaving the service. I was only 28 years old. Another 11 years and I would have had a full retirement with benefits at 39 years old. Probably younger with the programs they had at the time. I don't regret leaving. Other than some interesting experiences during the first year of service, I enjoyed it, and I received much more in return than I gave, without doubt. Eisboch By the time I had nine years in, the Army had sent me to Officer Candidate School, Germany, and Vietnam, paid for my bachelor's degree, sent me to the Engineer Officer's Advanced Course, and promoted me to Captain. Hell, I still owed them about five years at the time. A promotion to Major and the Armed Forces Staff College added another four years to pay back. Like I say, carrots and sticks. I owe the Army a lot, but it got it's share also! -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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"John H" wrote in message ... By the time I had nine years in, the Army had sent me to Officer Candidate School, Germany, and Vietnam, paid for my bachelor's degree, sent me to the Engineer Officer's Advanced Course, and promoted me to Captain. Hell, I still owed them about five years at the time. A promotion to Major and the Armed Forces Staff College added another four years to pay back. Like I say, carrots and sticks. I owe the Army a lot, but it got it's share also! -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v Nutin' wrong with that. You paid your dues. Many today don't. Many then didn't. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. -- Nom=de=Plume Sorry, but I've never read that in any of John's posts. Have you? Or are you just trying to stipulate that as a fact to further you arguments? Eisboch Here's the quote... the last sentence seems to support the argument. "Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. I and mine are taken care of." -- Nom=de=Plume |
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says... "John H" wrote in message ... By the time I had nine years in, the Army had sent me to Officer Candidate School, Germany, and Vietnam, paid for my bachelor's degree, sent me to the Engineer Officer's Advanced Course, and promoted me to Captain. Hell, I still owed them about five years at the time. A promotion to Major and the Armed Forces Staff College added another four years to pay back. Like I say, carrots and sticks. I owe the Army a lot, but it got it's share also! -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v Nutin' wrong with that. You paid your dues. Many today don't. Many then didn't. Eisboch I think the part of service that folks don't take into account is you have signed on the dotted to take or even, give a life at any time, when called upon to do it... Scotty -- For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. -- Nom=de=Plume Sorry, but I've never read that in any of John's posts. Have you? Or are you just trying to stipulate that as a fact to further you arguments? Eisboch Here's the quote... the last sentence seems to support the argument. "Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. I and mine are taken care of." John's Tri-Care doesn't provide health care to his extended family. Maybe he is supporting Obama ensuring health care for his brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, nieces and nephews, grandchildren, etc. As those relatives apply to him, of course. You aren't so sick to think he doesn't love them too, are you? Maybe he just doesn't support the way Obama went about it, ramming it through without the support of the good people in the Republican party, and the insurance and hospital industries, who are the experts. What do libs know about health care? Nothing. I'm just guessing, and John has to speak for himself. Why do you suppose the worst? What has John done to rattle your cage? Jim - Libs always cherry pick, and deplum is no disappointment. |
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