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Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "anon-e-moose" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. Harry is full of ****e. If you want to address Harry, be my guest. I sense that you are too afraid of him to engage him though. Full of it or not, he made a valid point, which hasn't been addressed. Looks like you're not going to address it either. Why is that typical... I didn't see Harry making a point,valid or otherwise. There doesn't seem to be any point to address. If you would care to discuss it with Harry, knock yourself out. You are a strange one, you are. You don't see a lot. Perhaps you should look in the mirror. Oh wait.. that won't solve the problem. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"John H" wrote in message ... John was drafted. John had no college education and no money to get one. The Army provided the means to do so. But, for every carrot the Army offers, there is a stick. For each year of college, the Army charged two years of service. For promotions, other schools, etc, the Army has a charge. Eventually it's stupid to get out before retirement. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v Believe me, even with only 9 years, I had to think hard about leaving the service. I was only 28 years old. Another 11 years and I would have had a full retirement with benefits at 39 years old. Probably younger with the programs they had at the time. I don't regret leaving. Other than some interesting experiences during the first year of service, I enjoyed it, and I received much more in return than I gave, without doubt. Eisboch |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"nom=de=plume" wrote (in response to JohnH) I'm not dissing your service, but I am dissing the phoney argument that you're somehow better than others. -- Nom=de=Plume Betcha he's better at golf than you are. Eisboch |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. -- Nom=de=Plume Sorry, but I've never read that in any of John's posts. Have you? Or are you just trying to stipulate that as a fact to further you arguments? Eisboch |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "nom=de=plume" wrote (in response to JohnH) I'm not dissing your service, but I am dissing the phoney argument that you're somehow better than others. -- Nom=de=Plume Betcha he's better at golf than you are. Eisboch Good grief! I hope so. The last time I played golf I dinged the club house window from the first tee. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 18:52:34 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . John was drafted. John had no college education and no money to get one. The Army provided the means to do so. But, for every carrot the Army offers, there is a stick. For each year of college, the Army charged two years of service. For promotions, other schools, etc, the Army has a charge. Eventually it's stupid to get out before retirement. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v Believe me, even with only 9 years, I had to think hard about leaving the service. I was only 28 years old. Another 11 years and I would have had a full retirement with benefits at 39 years old. Probably younger with the programs they had at the time. I don't regret leaving. Other than some interesting experiences during the first year of service, I enjoyed it, and I received much more in return than I gave, without doubt. Eisboch By the time I had nine years in, the Army had sent me to Officer Candidate School, Germany, and Vietnam, paid for my bachelor's degree, sent me to the Engineer Officer's Advanced Course, and promoted me to Captain. Hell, I still owed them about five years at the time. A promotion to Major and the Armed Forces Staff College added another four years to pay back. Like I say, carrots and sticks. I owe the Army a lot, but it got it's share also! -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"John H" wrote in message ... By the time I had nine years in, the Army had sent me to Officer Candidate School, Germany, and Vietnam, paid for my bachelor's degree, sent me to the Engineer Officer's Advanced Course, and promoted me to Captain. Hell, I still owed them about five years at the time. A promotion to Major and the Armed Forces Staff College added another four years to pay back. Like I say, carrots and sticks. I owe the Army a lot, but it got it's share also! -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v Nutin' wrong with that. You paid your dues. Many today don't. Many then didn't. Eisboch |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. -- Nom=de=Plume Sorry, but I've never read that in any of John's posts. Have you? Or are you just trying to stipulate that as a fact to further you arguments? Eisboch Here's the quote... the last sentence seems to support the argument. "Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. I and mine are taken care of." -- Nom=de=Plume |
Where should the focus be - the problems or the solutions?
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message m... On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts down on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your next "incident"? Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've got mine, so **** you." Let's see here ... John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year contract with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents. You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date. Who sacrificed more for his? Eisboch Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his. And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily. I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky. I don't know. Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered. Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key, not what your title or social status is to others. You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a good chunk of pension benefits. Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said, it does raise a point. For some, military or government careers provide the financial and retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about milking the system. Eisboch Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about anyone else. -- Nom=de=Plume Sorry, but I've never read that in any of John's posts. Have you? Or are you just trying to stipulate that as a fact to further you arguments? Eisboch Here's the quote... the last sentence seems to support the argument. "Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or name-calling here will do about it. I and mine are taken care of." John's Tri-Care doesn't provide health care to his extended family. Maybe he is supporting Obama ensuring health care for his brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, nieces and nephews, grandchildren, etc. As those relatives apply to him, of course. You aren't so sick to think he doesn't love them too, are you? Maybe he just doesn't support the way Obama went about it, ramming it through without the support of the good people in the Republican party, and the insurance and hospital industries, who are the experts. What do libs know about health care? Nothing. I'm just guessing, and John has to speak for himself. Why do you suppose the worst? What has John done to rattle your cage? Jim - Libs always cherry pick, and deplum is no disappointment. |
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