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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:38:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Nobody has said, or even said they will limit, what the insurance
companies can charge for all of these new liabilities. The real
showdown will come when our insurance options and prices show up this
fall. The CEO of Caterpillar is estimating this will cost his company
$100 million in additional health care insurance costs. That will get
passed on to the employees, one way or another..
Insurance companies are currently raising prices... did you miss that?
It's
a fix that's coming.

I doubt it. His costs are skyrocketting now. Every reputable economist,
not
to mention the CBO, predicts savings.


We don't have to wait long to see. What do you think "open season"
will look like this year?

Where is all of the extra medical capacity going to come from to deal
with 31 million new patients?
Supply and demand says the cost of providing care will go up.
I guess they don't make doctors anymore. How sad. Hospitals seem to think
they'll be fine.

Yup, if they start today, they will have a whole new batch of doctors
in 2018.

So, there's no one in the medical schools right now? I don't see any stats
that show there will be a shortage.

I have already said, real help would come if they let a lot of the
routine stuff be done by paramedics and techs. If you are on a Navy
ship or out in the field with the Army, 99% of all of your medical;
treatment will be by an enlisted corpsman or medic. Bring these people
home from these stupid foreign adventures and set them up in store
front clinics, backed up by a doctor somewhere for things they can't
handle.

Lots of things will help. Maybe this is one of them. Feel free to email
with your suggestion.

Let's see the stats you are looking at.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:25:39 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article 5c24e43c-bfea-442d-a269-
, says...

On Mar 23, 7:42 pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...







Tim wrote:
On Mar 23, 2:20 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
For the righties... which of these things do you not like?

Provisions of the health care overhaul that will take place in
2010:

90 days after enactment - Provide immediate access to high-risk
pools for
people with no insurance because of pre-existing conditions.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from denying people
coverage when
they get sick.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from denying coverage to
children
with pre-existing conditions.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from imposing lifetime
caps on
coverage.
180 days after enactment - Require insurers to allow people to
stay on their
parents' policies until they turn 26.
this year - Provide a $250 rebade to Medicare prescription drug
beneficiaries whose initial benefits have run out.

--
Nom=de=Plume

From the title, I thought you were anouncing a new boat coming out
on
the market or something like that.

Ya I know what you mean. It would be nice to see some boat banter for
a
change.

There's a few more the dems like.. The removal of the restrictions on
abortion, the IRS being in charge of collections, the language
controlling insurance company rates (remember, that was one of the
tales
they told us about the plan) was removed late in the process, the
pharma
companies (also blamed for the high prices) were given a nice bone and
now have 12 years with no competition from generic drugs which means
many more good drugs won't be available to regualar folks... There are
planty more, either way the bill is a hoax on America and a gift to
Unions, Pharma Companies, Big Insurance, and of course the SEIU...

Passed through corruption and strong arm tactics, by the most sold out
administration in history... I bet they love it.

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you think that this is the first bill that has ever been passed
that has special interest groups involved???
Hell the Republicans wrote the book on how to court special interest
groups.

They cut out the frekin language that was what the whole bill was
supposed to be about. The language that would control insurance company
rates. Don't you remember, the bill was supposed to be about controling
the insurance company rates... or at least during the second wave after
having initially called it "health care refrom"...

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v


No. You're just a liar.

Oh jeez, Snotty made a spelling error.

That must mean that whatever he said was intellectually inferior and
should be discounted.

Health Care reform was meant to first offer insurance to those who
didn't have it, second to pare costs where possible and third to
introduce competition through a public option.

What we got on the third front was a Republican idea for insuranace
collectives or exchanges where a small business could join a bigger
pool of consumers in order to push rates down.

The public option would have been better but what the legislators
would have faced from the insurance companies would have been
overwhelming.

It would have gone from 3 lobbyists per congressmember to 5 and they
would have spent any amount of money to make sure it didn't pass.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:47:10 -0400, anon-e-moose
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article 5c24e43c-bfea-442d-a269-
, says...
On Mar 23, 7:42 pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article ,
says...







Tim wrote:
On Mar 23, 2:20 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
For the righties... which of these things do you not like?
Provisions of the health care overhaul that will take place in
2010:
90 days after enactment - Provide immediate access to high-risk
pools for
people with no insurance because of pre-existing conditions.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from denying people
coverage when
they get sick.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from denying coverage to
children
with pre-existing conditions.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from imposing lifetime
caps on
coverage.
180 days after enactment - Require insurers to allow people to
stay on their
parents' policies until they turn 26.
this year - Provide a $250 rebade to Medicare prescription drug
beneficiaries whose initial benefits have run out.
--
Nom=de=Plume
From the title, I thought you were anouncing a new boat coming out
on
the market or something like that.
Ya I know what you mean. It would be nice to see some boat banter for
a
change.
There's a few more the dems like.. The removal of the restrictions on
abortion, the IRS being in charge of collections, the language
controlling insurance company rates (remember, that was one of the
tales
they told us about the plan) was removed late in the process, the
pharma
companies (also blamed for the high prices) were given a nice bone and
now have 12 years with no competition from generic drugs which means
many more good drugs won't be available to regualar folks... There are
planty more, either way the bill is a hoax on America and a gift to
Unions, Pharma Companies, Big Insurance, and of course the SEIU...

Passed through corruption and strong arm tactics, by the most sold out
administration in history... I bet they love it.

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Do you think that this is the first bill that has ever been passed
that has special interest groups involved???
Hell the Republicans wrote the book on how to court special interest
groups.
They cut out the frekin language that was what the whole bill was
supposed to be about. The language that would control insurance company
rates. Don't you remember, the bill was supposed to be about controling
the insurance company rates... or at least during the second wave after
having initially called it "health care refrom"...

Scotty

--
For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v


No. You're just a liar.

That's strictly your opinion. Right.

No, it's a fact. Proven.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:33:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:38:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Nobody has said, or even said they will limit, what the insurance
companies can charge for all of these new liabilities. The real
showdown will come when our insurance options and prices show up this
fall. The CEO of Caterpillar is estimating this will cost his company
$100 million in additional health care insurance costs. That will get
passed on to the employees, one way or another..

Insurance companies are currently raising prices... did you miss that?
It's
a fix that's coming.

I doubt it. His costs are skyrocketting now. Every reputable economist,
not
to mention the CBO, predicts savings.


We don't have to wait long to see. What do you think "open season"
will look like this year?


Where is all of the extra medical capacity going to come from to deal
with 31 million new patients?
Supply and demand says the cost of providing care will go up.

I guess they don't make doctors anymore. How sad. Hospitals seem to think
they'll be fine.

Yup, if they start today, they will have a whole new batch of doctors
in 2018.

So, there's no one in the medical schools right now? I don't see any stats
that show there will be a shortage.

I have already said, real help would come if they let a lot of the
routine stuff be done by paramedics and techs. If you are on a Navy
ship or out in the field with the Army, 99% of all of your medical;
treatment will be by an enlisted corpsman or medic. Bring these people
home from these stupid foreign adventures and set them up in store
front clinics, backed up by a doctor somewhere for things they can't
handle.

Lots of things will help. Maybe this is one of them. Feel free to email
with your suggestion.

There are shortages on GP doctors, since specialization pays
significantly more, the number of doctors becoming GPs is less and
less.

Sort of like school teachers who are underpaid to teach 1st grade and
should be paid equivalent to tenure professors based on the service
they provide.

It's not an equitable system.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:48:30 -0400, anon-e-moose
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:38:09 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Nobody has said, or even said they will limit, what the insurance
companies can charge for all of these new liabilities. The real
showdown will come when our insurance options and prices show up this
fall. The CEO of Caterpillar is estimating this will cost his company
$100 million in additional health care insurance costs. That will get
passed on to the employees, one way or another..
Insurance companies are currently raising prices... did you miss that?
It's
a fix that's coming.

I doubt it. His costs are skyrocketting now. Every reputable economist,
not
to mention the CBO, predicts savings.


We don't have to wait long to see. What do you think "open season"
will look like this year?

Where is all of the extra medical capacity going to come from to deal
with 31 million new patients?
Supply and demand says the cost of providing care will go up.
I guess they don't make doctors anymore. How sad. Hospitals seem to think
they'll be fine.

Yup, if they start today, they will have a whole new batch of doctors
in 2018.

So, there's no one in the medical schools right now? I don't see any stats
that show there will be a shortage.

I have already said, real help would come if they let a lot of the
routine stuff be done by paramedics and techs. If you are on a Navy
ship or out in the field with the Army, 99% of all of your medical;
treatment will be by an enlisted corpsman or medic. Bring these people
home from these stupid foreign adventures and set them up in store
front clinics, backed up by a doctor somewhere for things they can't
handle.

Lots of things will help. Maybe this is one of them. Feel free to email
with your suggestion.

Let's see the stats you are looking at.

If you're concerned why not find your own stats, lazy ass?

Plume, this smells like another Jim incarnation. His nose is brown
and he posts all day. He has nothing better to do that buttsniff and
carp.

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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

hk wrote:

On 3/23/10 8:16 PM, Larry wrote:

Tim wrote:

On Mar 23, 2:20 pm, wrote:

For the righties... which of these things do you not like?

Provisions of the health care overhaul that will take place in 2010:

90 days after enactment - Provide immediate access to high-risk pools
for
people with no insurance because of pre-existing conditions.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from denying people coverage
when
they get sick.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from denying coverage to
children
with pre-existing conditions.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from imposing lifetime caps on
coverage.
180 days after enactment - Require insurers to allow people to stay
on their
parents' policies until they turn 26.
this year - Provide a $250 rebade to Medicare prescription drug
beneficiaries whose initial benefits have run out.

--
Nom=de=Plume

From the title, I thought you were anouncing a new boat coming out on
the market or something like that.

No chance of that. She's not interested in such a thing.



Another Krueger?

No idea if she's interested in that.


Except that I probably will buy something in the next couple of months,
which is what I've said for a while. Now you know.


What's on your short list?

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"Larry" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

hk wrote:

On 3/23/10 8:16 PM, Larry wrote:

Tim wrote:

On Mar 23, 2:20 pm, wrote:

For the righties... which of these things do you not like?

Provisions of the health care overhaul that will take place in 2010:

90 days after enactment - Provide immediate access to high-risk
pools
for
people with no insurance because of pre-existing conditions.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from denying people coverage
when
they get sick.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from denying coverage to
children
with pre-existing conditions.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from imposing lifetime caps
on
coverage.
180 days after enactment - Require insurers to allow people to stay
on their
parents' policies until they turn 26.
this year - Provide a $250 rebade to Medicare prescription drug
beneficiaries whose initial benefits have run out.

--
Nom=de=Plume

From the title, I thought you were anouncing a new boat coming out
on
the market or something like that.

No chance of that. She's not interested in such a thing.



Another Krueger?

No idea if she's interested in that.


Except that I probably will buy something in the next couple of months,
which is what I've said for a while. Now you know.


What's on your short list?


I thought the portaboat was interesting, but I want something with cushions
on the side. I'm tentatively settled on one of the Walker Bays if I can find
one to touch. I don't want to buy one online.. too much hassle.


--
Nom=de=Plume

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:04:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
m...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

hk wrote:

On 3/23/10 8:16 PM, Larry wrote:

Tim wrote:

On Mar 23, 2:20 pm, wrote:

For the righties... which of these things do you not like?

Provisions of the health care overhaul that will take place in 2010:

90 days after enactment - Provide immediate access to high-risk
pools
for
people with no insurance because of pre-existing conditions.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from denying people coverage
when
they get sick.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from denying coverage to
children
with pre-existing conditions.
180 days after enactment - Bar insurers from imposing lifetime caps
on
coverage.
180 days after enactment - Require insurers to allow people to stay
on their
parents' policies until they turn 26.
this year - Provide a $250 rebade to Medicare prescription drug
beneficiaries whose initial benefits have run out.

--
Nom=de=Plume

From the title, I thought you were anouncing a new boat coming out
on
the market or something like that.

No chance of that. She's not interested in such a thing.



Another Krueger?

No idea if she's interested in that.


Except that I probably will buy something in the next couple of months,
which is what I've said for a while. Now you know.


What's on your short list?


I thought the portaboat was interesting, but I want something with cushions
on the side. I'm tentatively settled on one of the Walker Bays if I can find
one to touch. I don't want to buy one online.. too much hassle.

You're gonna buy a plastic rowboat or is it an inflatable?

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 01:51:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:34:53 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 01:09:34 -0500, Jim wrote:

We don't have to wait long to see. What do you think "open season"
will look like this year?


We'll see. I think the sleazy Dems have an ace up their sleeve with
that Health Insurance Rate Authority that 'Bama tried to get included
in the Senate Bill. The parliamentarian kicked it out of the
reconciliation process - Byrd rule - so it won't get passed in the
current bill.

The insurance companies will not have much trouble justifying their
rate increases., they just have to present the underwriter's report
about the extra cost of insuring "kids" until they are 26, picking up
"preexisting conditions" and removing caps.
It is pure dollars and cents. There ain't no free lunch.


"Jim" is an idiot. The ins. companies need more regulation. It's not a free
lunch, but most people are willing to pay more for actually getting
something of value. It's not "pure dollars and cents."


The prices are determined by the actuarial studies by the underwriters
and that is pure dollars and cents.
They increased the insurance company exposure to risk and the
insurance company is going to recover that in higher premiums.
Actually when you are talking about caps and preexisting conditions it
is not really risk at all, the worst possible scenario is already true
and the insurance company is just a medical service broker, paying the
bill, tacking on administrative cost and profit and billing the other
customers accordingly. In a macro sense this is a very simple
business. When outlay goes up, income must go up.

There's a few factors in there worth considering. Among them, the
insurance companies are dividing 30 million new customers. There's
upside in greater volume. Many of those new customers will be younger
since they're more likely to forego insurance, pushing the median age
lower and lowering actuarial risk. Outlay/customer is likely to go
down.

The real savings for us, that is small participants, is when they
institute the exchange. That'll allow small companies like mine to
join much larger pools.

My hope is that they start looking at the business of health insurance
and establish a fair margin for their role. Same for the sheisters on
Wall Street. Some of those jerks need to be strung up by their balls
until they realize what pigs they are. Astounding how isolated and
enttiled they've become. What, leaching off poor suckers isn't good
business?

Neither provide more than transactional support. They don't make
anything and they don't add value. They skim.

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 01:45:29 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:33:26 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Yup, if they start today, they will have a whole new batch of doctors
in 2018.

So, there's no one in the medical schools right now? I don't see any stats
that show there will be a shortage.

It takes me a couple weeks to get into my primary care doctor now.
They say if you need an appointment earlier go to the emergency room.
It is apparent there are more patients than the doctors can handle.

If you need to see a specialist, you can probably get in right away.
The GPs are in shorter supply. The money is in specialization.

Several friends who are doctors, some GPs others specialists. The GPs
feel like superior humans because they're on the front lines foregoing
the big pay outs, the specialists think they're smart 'cause they're
hauling down the big bucks and don't have to see the cattle call of
patients.

I just found a Harvard-educated GP, recommended by a friend. Seems
very personable and thorough. Will be getting my first colonoscopy
soon. Oh boy!