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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:14:35 -0400, hk
wrote: On 3/21/10 10:46 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:09:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: All the ones in the marina have them at the bow. Then you are at a marina with nothing but small boats. What an ass you are, w'hine. I take it we can we assume that your nav lights are on the bow also? |
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On Mar 22, 5:12*am, W1TEF wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:04:11 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:03:42 -0700, "RG" wrote: You really need to buy a copy of Chapman's and study it. *Seriously. Chapman's is a great investment for anyone who is even remotely interested in boats. *Hopefully that includes everyone in this group and I know it applies to Tim. *I got my first copy sometime back in the early 70s and still refer to it once in a while. I have two copies of "American Practical Navigator" - one published in 1914 and the latest that has all the more modern changes. *The differences between the two are significant. My Paternal Grandfather had a copy of "The New American Practical Navigator" which was the book that Bowditch's AMP is based on. *It was written in 1802. * It now resides in the Peabody Museum in Salem, MA. Personally, Chapman's is great for all around boating, but Bowditch is the Master Course. *:) Does this come close to what you're talking about, Tom? http://www.irbs.com/bowditch/ |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:51:57 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: Personally, Chapman's is great for all around boating, but Bowditch is the Master Course. *:) Does this come close to what you're talking about, Tom? http://www.irbs.com/bowditch/ That's the one, good read but I recommend starting with Chapman's. |
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On 3/22/10 7:48 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:14:35 -0400, wrote: On 3/21/10 10:46 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:09:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: All the ones in the marina have them at the bow. Then you are at a marina with nothing but small boats. What an ass you are, w'hine. I take it we can we assume that your nav lights are on the bow also? In a previous post, a question was asked: "Aren't most nav lights on or near the bow of most boats???" Your response: "No." How the hell would you know whether there are more boats with side or otherwise mounted nav lights than combo bow mounted nav lights? As there are far more small boats than large boats, I suspect there are more combo than split red/green nav lights on boats. And aren't combos satisfactory for boats up to 20 meters long? That would cover your old barge, wouldn't it? Nothing prevents you from using sidelights. Hell, I have bow-mounted, separate nav lights on my 21' Parker. I had the standard combo light removed to accommodate my anchor roller: http://tinyurl.com/yz48s97 You are a pompous ass, w'hine. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. |
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On Mar 22, 7:01*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:51:57 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Personally, Chapman's is great for all around boating, but Bowditch is the Master Course. *:) Does this come close to what you're talking about, Tom? http://www.irbs.com/bowditch/ That's the one, good read but I recommend starting with Chapman's. Thanks, Wayne. Tom mentioned "Boditch" so I looked it up . I'll start with Chapman. |
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On 3/22/10 8:04 AM, hk wrote:
On 3/22/10 7:48 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:14:35 -0400, wrote: On 3/21/10 10:46 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:09:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: All the ones in the marina have them at the bow. Then you are at a marina with nothing but small boats. What an ass you are, w'hine. I take it we can we assume that your nav lights are on the bow also? In a previous post, a question was asked: "Aren't most nav lights on or near the bow of most boats???" Your response: "No." How the hell would you know whether there are more boats with side or otherwise mounted nav lights than combo bow mounted nav lights? As there are far more small boats than large boats, I suspect there are more combo than split red/green nav lights on boats. And aren't combos satisfactory for boats up to 20 meters long? That would cover your old barge, wouldn't it? Nothing prevents you from using sidelights. Hell, I have bow-mounted, separate nav lights on my 21' Parker. I had the standard combo light removed to accommodate my anchor roller: http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...t=IMG_0434.jpg You are a pompous ass, w'hine. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. |
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On 3/22/10 9:10 AM, W1TEF wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:43:32 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:12:40 -0400, wrote: Chapman's is a great investment for anyone who is even remotely interested in boats. Hopefully that includes everyone in this group and I know it applies to Tim. I got my first copy sometime back in the early 70s and still refer to it once in a while. I have two copies of "American Practical Navigator" - one published in 1914 and the latest that has all the more modern changes. The differences between the two are significant. My Paternal Grandfather had a copy of "The New American Practical Navigator" which was the book that Bowditch's AMP is based on. It was written in 1802. It now resides in the Peabody Museum in Salem, MA. Personally, Chapman's is great for all around boating, but Bowditch is the Master Course. :) Do you have a copy of Dutton's also? My copy dates back to the 70s or 80s. I believe it was the official navigation text at the the US Naval Academy at that time but I always found Bowditch more useful for most things. Dutton's had information on electronic navigation but that's way out of date at this point. No, but my brother has the copy my Dad had along with a WWII Bluejacket manual which is also kind of interesting. :) Are you related to the SW Tom who wasn't going to post here? :) |
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On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:47:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Mar 21, 3:21*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Pick up a copy of the Inland/International navigation rules or read them online - you can also download a copy in PDF format I believe. http://www.amazon.com/Navigation-Rul.../dp/0939837498 http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm Thanks for those links, Tom. I will be doing some studying. I suppose the reason I'm asking all these questions about Nav. Lights is I want to update my boat *to better standards and make it as safe as I can. I'd leave the lights alone for now as long as they are working OK since there are probably other things that need a look. * Running at night is very tricky even for the experienced, and should really be avoided when possible. *Take it real slow, especially the first few times. * Everything that looks familiar during daylight looks entirely different in the dark, and distances are much more difficult to judge accurately. Back in my sailboat days I ran literally thousands of miles in the dark with no incidents and no radar but with a few close calls, some way too close for comfort. *Now that I've gotten used to running with radar at night I would never operate without it if at all possible. * Even radar is not perfect however. *Off the coast of the Dominican Republic we were surprised several times by small wooden fishing skiffs operating 12 or more miles offshore with no lights and no radar image at all. *They are totally invisible until you are almost on them, even in daylight. *They would see us however and either yell or shine a light at us, not a really satisfactory way of navigating. That's one of my reasons for recommending a good radar reflector. Wayne, I don't want to run at night, even on my wide Carlyle Lake. And I dont' plan to, but I wan't my boat to be set up better'n spec. Tim, the last time I ran at night was from the fireworks show at the Washington Mall to the Ft Belvoir marina, down the Potomac river at about 11 PM, It scared the **** out of me. I was in a 15' Whaler, and it seemed like everyone else had a 34' Gofast, which they piloted while drunk. Never again. -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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On Mar 22, 7:15*am, W1TEF wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:51:57 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Mar 22, 5:12 am, W1TEF wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:04:11 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:03:42 -0700, "RG" wrote: You really need to buy a copy of Chapman's and study it. Seriously. Chapman's is a great investment for anyone who is even remotely interested in boats. Hopefully that includes everyone in this group and I know it applies to Tim. I got my first copy sometime back in the early 70s and still refer to it once in a while. I have two copies of "American Practical Navigator" - one published in 1914 and the latest that has all the more modern changes. The differences between the two are significant. My Paternal Grandfather had a copy of "The New American Practical Navigator" which was the book that Bowditch's AMP is based on. It was written in 1802. It now resides in the Peabody Museum in Salem, MA. Personally, Chapman's is great for all around boating, but Bowditch is the Master Course. :) Does this come close to what you're talking about, Tom? http://www.irbs.com/bowditch/ Yeah - that's it, but I would heed Wayne's advice and get a copy of Chapman's and read through it first. *Bowditch is a great book once you've got the gist of everything, but it can be heavy going - nothing that anybody with high school geometry and trig can't handle - to tell the truth, the trig isn't all that necessary but it makes everything else easier. I would also pick up a copy of the rule book and look through it for the various types of lights you will run into on your trip down river. Just to get an idea of what looks like what. *Chapman's does cover it, but the Nav Rules book is more condensed and gives you the legal beagle stuff along wtih a look at what the lights look like.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Worthy advice is always worthy to heed. " Thanks! |
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On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:52:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Mar 21, 7:42*pm, John H wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 06:30:50 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:01:38 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: I would imagine so, but to me it doesn't make sense to only be able to judge half the boats length by having a 23' boat look like it's only 12. I don't think it's as easy to judge length at night, despite where the lights are located. Judging length is actually not that important except with very large boats like freighters, or tug boats pulling a barge. *One of the best things a small boat can do to improve its visibility is to install a radar reflector mounted as high off the water as possible. http://www.defender.com/ProductDisplay?id=82874 Mounting can be as simple as suspending from a boat hook held in a fishing *rod holder. Another reason these $5 million dollar boats should have rod holders. I knew it. -- John H For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - John, If you bump up to billion dollar boats, they come with rod holders as standard equipment! http://armchairhawaii.com/Attraction...eship/guns.jpg Trolling for sperm whales? -- John H For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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says... On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:47:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Mar 21, 3:21*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Pick up a copy of the Inland/International navigation rules or read them online - you can also download a copy in PDF format I believe. http://www.amazon.com/Navigation-Rul.../dp/0939837498 http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm Thanks for those links, Tom. I will be doing some studying. I suppose the reason I'm asking all these questions about Nav. Lights is I want to update my boat *to better standards and make it as safe as I can. I'd leave the lights alone for now as long as they are working OK since there are probably other things that need a look. * Running at night is very tricky even for the experienced, and should really be avoided when possible. *Take it real slow, especially the first few times. * Everything that looks familiar during daylight looks entirely different in the dark, and distances are much more difficult to judge accurately. Back in my sailboat days I ran literally thousands of miles in the dark with no incidents and no radar but with a few close calls, some way too close for comfort. *Now that I've gotten used to running with radar at night I would never operate without it if at all possible. * Even radar is not perfect however. *Off the coast of the Dominican Republic we were surprised several times by small wooden fishing skiffs operating 12 or more miles offshore with no lights and no radar image at all. *They are totally invisible until you are almost on them, even in daylight. *They would see us however and either yell or shine a light at us, not a really satisfactory way of navigating. That's one of my reasons for recommending a good radar reflector. Wayne, I don't want to run at night, even on my wide Carlyle Lake. And I dont' plan to, but I wan't my boat to be set up better'n spec. Tim, the last time I ran at night was from the fireworks show at the Washington Mall to the Ft Belvoir marina, down the Potomac river at about 11 PM, It scared the **** out of me. I was in a 15' Whaler, and it seemed like everyone else had a 34' Gofast, which they piloted while drunk. Never again. On the CT River it's a lot more quiet at night. I have gone from Haddam to Saybrook at night. I still use the spotlight for long distance surveying but up close the moonlight was plenty. My biggest reason for moving the big light around the horizon is so I can be seen. Scotty -- For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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On 3/22/10 10:25 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:47:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Mar 21, 3:21 pm, wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:49:22 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Pick up a copy of the Inland/International navigation rules or read them online - you can also download a copy in PDF format I believe. http://www.amazon.com/Navigation-Rul.../dp/0939837498 http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm Thanks for those links, Tom. I will be doing some studying. I suppose the reason I'm asking all these questions about Nav. Lights is I want to update my boat to better standards and make it as safe as I can. I'd leave the lights alone for now as long as they are working OK since there are probably other things that need a look. Running at night is very tricky even for the experienced, and should really be avoided when possible. Take it real slow, especially the first few times. Everything that looks familiar during daylight looks entirely different in the dark, and distances are much more difficult to judge accurately. Back in my sailboat days I ran literally thousands of miles in the dark with no incidents and no radar but with a few close calls, some way too close for comfort. Now that I've gotten used to running with radar at night I would never operate without it if at all possible. Even radar is not perfect however. Off the coast of the Dominican Republic we were surprised several times by small wooden fishing skiffs operating 12 or more miles offshore with no lights and no radar image at all. They are totally invisible until you are almost on them, even in daylight. They would see us however and either yell or shine a light at us, not a really satisfactory way of navigating. That's one of my reasons for recommending a good radar reflector. Wayne, I don't want to run at night, even on my wide Carlyle Lake. And I dont' plan to, but I wan't my boat to be set up better'n spec. Tim, the last time I ran at night was from the fireworks show at the Washington Mall to the Ft Belvoir marina, down the Potomac river at about 11 PM, It scared the **** out of me. I was in a 15' Whaler, and it seemed like everyone else had a 34' Gofast, which they piloted while drunk. Never again. On the CT River it's a lot more quiet at night. I have gone from Haddam to Saybrook at night. I still use the spotlight for long distance surveying but up close the moonlight was plenty. My biggest reason for moving the big light around the horizon is so I can be seen. Scotty Gee, I was born in Connecticut...and traveled to many of its cities and towns. I recall *Old Saybrook* but I don't recall a "Saybrook." Might you enlighten us? |
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Tim wrote:
On Mar 21, 11:42 am, wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:54:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Mar 21, 5:30 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:01:38 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: I would imagine so, but to me it doesn't make sense to only be able to judge half the boats length by having a 23' boat look like it's only 12. I don't think it's as easy to judge length at night, despite where the lights are located. Judging length is actually not that important except with very large boats like freighters, or tug boats pulling a barge. One of the best things a small boat can do to improve its visibility is to install a radar reflector mounted as high off the water as possible. http://www.defender.com/ProductDisplay?id=82874 Mounting can be as simple as suspending from a boat hook held in a fishing rod holder. That is taken into consideration as well, Wayne. Thanks! I also have a clip-on white light that is fairly light and battery operated, and can be suspended from the windshield if need be. The D-batteries are down low so there is little weight up top. and it's actually about 3 ft. long so that would be at least 3 ft. above the windshield. One of the most important things about nav lights, or any other lights is that you should not be able to see them from the helm. Those folks with that big "all around" white light on the stern are not really serious about going out at night. You should have a stern light that points back and a mast head light that points side and forward but not in the helmsman's line of sight. It should be shielded below and not reflected off the boat forward of the helm. Otherwise it destroys your night vision and prompts people to want "headlights" that destroy everyone elses night vision (besides being illegal) If you actually boat anywhere near a big population center it won't really get dark at night anyway. Around the Estero Bay you can see just fine as soon as you let your eyes get used to the dark. You certainly can see something 100' away better than you would with a spotlight. The spotlight only lights up the particular thing you are looking at, not the thing you weren't expecting a few degrees abeam of your light.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Pardner, I see what you're saying now... http://content.answers.com/main/cont...g/f0196-01.jpg Also, over time, some green lights actually turn blueish. At a distance, when lit they appear white. |
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hk wrote:
On 3/22/10 9:10 AM, W1TEF wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:43:32 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:12:40 -0400, wrote: Chapman's is a great investment for anyone who is even remotely interested in boats. Hopefully that includes everyone in this group and I know it applies to Tim. I got my first copy sometime back in the early 70s and still refer to it once in a while. I have two copies of "American Practical Navigator" - one published in 1914 and the latest that has all the more modern changes. The differences between the two are significant. My Paternal Grandfather had a copy of "The New American Practical Navigator" which was the book that Bowditch's AMP is based on. It was written in 1802. It now resides in the Peabody Museum in Salem, MA. Personally, Chapman's is great for all around boating, but Bowditch is the Master Course. :) Do you have a copy of Dutton's also? My copy dates back to the 70s or 80s. I believe it was the official navigation text at the the US Naval Academy at that time but I always found Bowditch more useful for most things. Dutton's had information on electronic navigation but that's way out of date at this point. No, but my brother has the copy my Dad had along with a WWII Bluejacket manual which is also kind of interesting. :) Are you related to the SW Tom who wasn't going to post here? :) Does it matter? |
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I am Tosk wrote:
In article , says... In article ced8cd5d-d10e-4792-8c2a- , says... On Mar 21, 3:21 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Pick up a copy of the Inland/International navigation rules or read them online - you can also download a copy in PDF format I believe. http://www.amazon.com/Navigation-Rul.../dp/0939837498 http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm Thanks for those links, Tom. I will be doing some studying. I suppose the reason I'm asking all these questions about Nav. Lights is I want to update my boat to better standards and make it as safe as I can. I'd leave the lights alone for now as long as they are working OK since there are probably other things that need a look. Running at night is very tricky even for the experienced, and should really be avoided when possible. Take it real slow, especially the first few times. Everything that looks familiar during daylight looks entirely different in the dark, and distances are much more difficult to judge accurately. Back in my sailboat days I ran literally thousands of miles in the dark with no incidents and no radar but with a few close calls, some way too close for comfort. Now that I've gotten used to running with radar at night I would never operate without it if at all possible. Even radar is not perfect however. Off the coast of the Dominican Republic we were surprised several times by small wooden fishing skiffs operating 12 or more miles offshore with no lights and no radatr image at all. They are totally invisible until you are almost on them, even in daylight. They would see us however and either yell or shine a light at us, not a really satisfactory way of navigating. That's one of my reasons for recommending a good radar reflector. Wayne, I don't want to run at night, even on my wide Carlyle Lake. And I dont' plan to, but I wan't my boat to be set up better'n spec. Oh man, being out at night on an open area is awesome. Make sure your lights are set up right like they said so you don't see them from the cockpit and they don't reflect off of anything back at you. Then keep the radio off, and always keep the big spotlight moving. If you have two sets of eyes, and two lights, it's even better. Anchored is a bit more complicated but if you set yourself right and keep alert, you are usually ok. Again, I wouldn't do it without a couple of those million candle power lights, hand held and moving around a lot. Scotty I should note that when I say keep the radio off, I don't mean communication radio, I mean keep the tunes off and pay attention to what is around you. One thing I learned was not to necessarily look out for other boats, but look up too! One day I saw this star moving across the sky and realized it was the top light of a tug, moving a huge barge right at me. yikes. Scotty Good thing you didn't blind him with your spot light. |
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hk wrote:
On 3/22/10 8:04 AM, hk wrote: On 3/22/10 7:48 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:14:35 -0400, wrote: On 3/21/10 10:46 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:09:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: All the ones in the marina have them at the bow. Then you are at a marina with nothing but small boats. What an ass you are, w'hine. I take it we can we assume that your nav lights are on the bow also? In a previous post, a question was asked: "Aren't most nav lights on or near the bow of most boats???" Your response: "No." How the hell would you know whether there are more boats with side or otherwise mounted nav lights than combo bow mounted nav lights? As there are far more small boats than large boats, I suspect there are more combo than split red/green nav lights on boats. And aren't combos satisfactory for boats up to 20 meters long? That would cover your old barge, wouldn't it? Nothing prevents you from using sidelights. Hell, I have bow-mounted, separate nav lights on my 21' Parker. I had the standard combo light removed to accommodate my anchor roller: http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...t=IMG_0434.jpg You are a pompous ass, w'hine. Yawn |
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On 3/22/10 12:11 PM, anon-e-moose wrote:
hk wrote: On 3/22/10 8:04 AM, hk wrote: On 3/22/10 7:48 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:14:35 -0400, wrote: On 3/21/10 10:46 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:09:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: All the ones in the marina have them at the bow. Then you are at a marina with nothing but small boats. What an ass you are, w'hine. I take it we can we assume that your nav lights are on the bow also? In a previous post, a question was asked: "Aren't most nav lights on or near the bow of most boats???" Your response: "No." How the hell would you know whether there are more boats with side or otherwise mounted nav lights than combo bow mounted nav lights? As there are far more small boats than large boats, I suspect there are more combo than split red/green nav lights on boats. And aren't combos satisfactory for boats up to 20 meters long? That would cover your old barge, wouldn't it? Nothing prevents you from using sidelights. Hell, I have bow-mounted, separate nav lights on my 21' Parker. I had the standard combo light removed to accommodate my anchor roller: http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...t=IMG_0434.jpg You are a pompous ass, w'hine. Yawn Sorry, I don't pay much attention to anonymous assholes...like you. |
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On 3/22/10 12:30 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:23:22 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:54:11 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: Again, I wouldn't do it without a couple of those million candle power lights, hand held and moving around a lot. Sound advice for ruining your night vision. Hrummmph...snort a lot depends on where you boat. I am in smaller, closer water than most here. Most times when we are moving at night it's in skinny water, by oar, with one hanging off the bow with a light and net looking for blue crabs. Don't get all snooty on me here. All of the other traffic in the area will be outfitted similarly in most cases. Scotty A whole flotilla of blind sailors huh ;-) I suppose all lit up like that it would be hard to get hit. Around here "skinny water" just makes people go faster in those 200 HP "flats" boats. It is funny to watch when they guess wrong and end up high centered on an oyster bar. A spotlight is counterproductive for that. You are a lot better off seeing the light coming from the opposite side of the bar, reflecting off the surface of the water. If there is any motion at all you will see an anomaly over the bar. If it is "slick calm" you spins the wheel, you takes your chances. It is hard to beat local knowledge at that point. The spotlight makes it easier for snotty to poach. Around here, the crabbing is done during the day. |
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On Mar 22, 10:22*am, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:17:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Mar 21, 9:53*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:54:11 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: I wouldn't do it without a couple of those million candle power lights, hand held and moving around a lot. I've got a couple of those but only use them in close quarters on unlighted objects like nav markers or jetties. * Once you turn on a spotlight your night vision goes away for about 10 minutes or more. *It's amazing what you can see without any lights once your eyes get dark adapted. Yes, on the few times I've run at night on the Lake, I've killed my gauge lights so they weren't glaring back at me. even on dim, they were a bother. It helps to replace the bulbs with red ones. They do sell those peanut bulbs in red. I put a resistor in the line to my gauge bulbs. The good news is if you dim them they will probably last forever.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mine are set up naturally 'orange' and are easy on the eyes at night, but they do distract. I can dim them but it seems not enough to keep from being annoying. I have them as low as they can go and will turn them on briefly and occasionally just to make sure things are in order, then off they go. |
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says... I am Tosk wrote: In article , says... In article ced8cd5d-d10e-4792-8c2a- , says... On Mar 21, 3:21 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Pick up a copy of the Inland/International navigation rules or read them online - you can also download a copy in PDF format I believe. http://www.amazon.com/Navigation-Rul.../dp/0939837498 http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm Thanks for those links, Tom. I will be doing some studying. I suppose the reason I'm asking all these questions about Nav. Lights is I want to update my boat to better standards and make it as safe as I can. I'd leave the lights alone for now as long as they are working OK since there are probably other things that need a look. Running at night is very tricky even for the experienced, and should really be avoided when possible. Take it real slow, especially the first few times. Everything that looks familiar during daylight looks entirely different in the dark, and distances are much more difficult to judge accurately. Back in my sailboat days I ran literally thousands of miles in the dark with no incidents and no radar but with a few close calls, some way too close for comfort. Now that I've gotten used to running with radar at night I would never operate without it if at all possible. Even radar is not perfect however. Off the coast of the Dominican Republic we were surprised several times by small wooden fishing skiffs operating 12 or more miles offshore with no lights and no radatr image at all. They are totally invisible until you are almost on them, even in daylight. They would see us however and either yell or shine a light at us, not a really satisfactory way of navigating. That's one of my reasons for recommending a good radar reflector. Wayne, I don't want to run at night, even on my wide Carlyle Lake. And I dont' plan to, but I wan't my boat to be set up better'n spec. Oh man, being out at night on an open area is awesome. Make sure your lights are set up right like they said so you don't see them from the cockpit and they don't reflect off of anything back at you. Then keep the radio off, and always keep the big spotlight moving. If you have two sets of eyes, and two lights, it's even better. Anchored is a bit more complicated but if you set yourself right and keep alert, you are usually ok. Again, I wouldn't do it without a couple of those million candle power lights, hand held and moving around a lot. Scotty I should note that when I say keep the radio off, I don't mean communication radio, I mean keep the tunes off and pay attention to what is around you. One thing I learned was not to necessarily look out for other boats, but look up too! One day I saw this star moving across the sky and realized it was the top light of a tug, moving a huge barge right at me. yikes. Scotty Good thing you didn't blind him with your spot light. I doubt my little light flashing across his bow at 300 yards is gonna' blind anybody. How big do you reckon those Morse code lights were on the old WW2 ships? Scotty -- For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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hk wrote:
On 3/22/10 12:11 PM, anon-e-moose wrote: hk wrote: On 3/22/10 8:04 AM, hk wrote: On 3/22/10 7:48 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:14:35 -0400, wrote: On 3/21/10 10:46 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:09:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: All the ones in the marina have them at the bow. Then you are at a marina with nothing but small boats. What an ass you are, w'hine. I take it we can we assume that your nav lights are on the bow also? In a previous post, a question was asked: "Aren't most nav lights on or near the bow of most boats???" Your response: "No." How the hell would you know whether there are more boats with side or otherwise mounted nav lights than combo bow mounted nav lights? As there are far more small boats than large boats, I suspect there are more combo than split red/green nav lights on boats. And aren't combos satisfactory for boats up to 20 meters long? That would cover your old barge, wouldn't it? Nothing prevents you from using sidelights. Hell, I have bow-mounted, separate nav lights on my 21' Parker. I had the standard combo light removed to accommodate my anchor roller: http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...t=IMG_0434.jpg You are a pompous ass, w'hine. Yawn Sorry, I don't pay much attention to anonymous assholes...like you. You just did, stupid. |
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On 3/22/10 12:45 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... I am Tosk wrote: In , says... In articleced8cd5d-d10e-4792-8c2a- , says... On Mar 21, 3:21 pm, wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:49:22 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Pick up a copy of the Inland/International navigation rules or read them online - you can also download a copy in PDF format I believe. http://www.amazon.com/Navigation-Rul.../dp/0939837498 http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm Thanks for those links, Tom. I will be doing some studying. I suppose the reason I'm asking all these questions about Nav. Lights is I want to update my boat to better standards and make it as safe as I can. I'd leave the lights alone for now as long as they are working OK since there are probably other things that need a look. Running at night is very tricky even for the experienced, and should really be avoided when possible. Take it real slow, especially the first few times. Everything that looks familiar during daylight looks entirely different in the dark, and distances are much more difficult to judge accurately. Back in my sailboat days I ran literally thousands of miles in the dark with no incidents and no radar but with a few close calls, some way too close for comfort. Now that I've gotten used to running with radar at night I would never operate without it if at all possible. Even radar is not perfect however. Off the coast of the Dominican Republic we were surprised several times by small wooden fishing skiffs operating 12 or more miles offshore with no lights and no radatr image at all. They are totally invisible until you are almost on them, even in daylight. They would see us however and either yell or shine a light at us, not a really satisfactory way of navigating. That's one of my reasons for recommending a good radar reflector. Wayne, I don't want to run at night, even on my wide Carlyle Lake. And I dont' plan to, but I wan't my boat to be set up better'n spec. Oh man, being out at night on an open area is awesome. Make sure your lights are set up right like they said so you don't see them from the cockpit and they don't reflect off of anything back at you. Then keep the radio off, and always keep the big spotlight moving. If you have two sets of eyes, and two lights, it's even better. Anchored is a bit more complicated but if you set yourself right and keep alert, you are usually ok. Again, I wouldn't do it without a couple of those million candle power lights, hand held and moving around a lot. Scotty I should note that when I say keep the radio off, I don't mean communication radio, I mean keep the tunes off and pay attention to what is around you. One thing I learned was not to necessarily look out for other boats, but look up too! One day I saw this star moving across the sky and realized it was the top light of a tug, moving a huge barge right at me.yikes. Scotty Good thing you didn't blind him with your spot light. I doubt my little light flashing across his bow at 300 yards is gonna' blind anybody. How big do you reckon those Morse code lights were on the old WW2 ships? Scotty Probably the best thing to do when snotty's light is flashed across your bow is to open fire with fully auto weaponry. :) |
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On Mar 22, 11:13*am, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:39:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Yes, on the few times I've run at night on the Lake, I've killed my gauge lights so they weren't glaring back at me. even on dim, they were a bother. It helps to replace the bulbs with red ones. They do sell those peanut bulbs in red. I put a resistor in the line to my gauge bulbs. The good news is if you dim them they will probably last forever.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Mine are set up naturally 'orange' and are easy on the eyes at night, but they do distract. I can dim them but it seems not enough to keep from being annoying. I have them as low as they can go and will turn them on briefly and occasionally just to make sure things are in order, then off they go. Sounds like you would like my gauge monitor idea I have a comparator looking at the gauge inputs and reporting anything out of range, before the engine squawks. There are green leds under each gauge when things are OK and switches to red when it goes out of range, along with a beeper It has saved me several times when I had some obstruction to the water flow and got me stopped before the engine got to it's overheated stage. I have it set for about 150-160 degrees, the engine goes at 190-200. It is really pretty simple. Just a 324 quad op amp (for 4 gauges) 4 pots and a bunch of resistors. I have a zener to establish acceptable the volts level (triggers at anything under 12.5 or so). It is basically just 4 voltage dividers. Cool! I never thought of something liek that. I've used Murphy switches before for shut down, though like loss of oil pressure or excessive engine heat and I ahve one on my small boat. But I do like your idea. Do you have some sort of a schematic you could send to me, vial e-mail? |
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... On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:21:54 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Even radar is not perfect however. As a friend found out, it won't see a pallet ;-) I thought I read somewhere about a "better" radar that would actually see something like this... it had poor long-distance range though I believe. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Mar 22, 9:45*am, anon-e-moose wrote:
Tim wrote: On Mar 21, 11:42 am, wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:54:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Mar 21, 5:30 am, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:01:38 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: I would imagine so, but to me it doesn't make sense to only be able to judge half the boats length by having a 23' boat look like it's only 12. I don't think it's as easy to judge length at night, despite where the lights are located. Judging length is actually not that important except with very large boats like freighters, or tug boats pulling a barge. *One of the best things a small boat can do to improve its visibility is to install a radar reflector mounted as high off the water as possible. http://www.defender.com/ProductDisplay?id=82874 Mounting can be as simple as suspending from a boat hook held in a fishing *rod holder. That is taken into consideration as well, Wayne. Thanks! *I also have a clip-on white light that is fairly light and battery operated, *and can be suspended from *the windshield if need be. The D-batteries are down low so there is little weight up top. and it's actually about 3 ft. long so that would be at least 3 ft. above the windshield. One of the most important things about nav lights, or any other lights is that you should not be able to see them from the helm. Those folks with that big "all around" white light on the stern are not really serious about going out at night. You should have a stern light that points back and a mast head light that points side and forward but not in the helmsman's line of sight. It should be shielded below and not reflected off the boat forward of the helm. Otherwise it destroys your night vision and prompts people to want "headlights" that destroy everyone elses night vision (besides being illegal) If you actually boat anywhere near a big population center it won't really get dark at night anyway. Around the Estero Bay you can see just fine as soon as you let your eyes get used to the dark. You certainly can see something 100' away better than you would with a spotlight. The spotlight only lights up the particular thing you are looking at, not the thing you weren't expecting a few degrees abeam of your light.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Pardner, I see what you're saying now... http://content.answers.com/main/cont...boating/f0196-... Also, over time, some green lights actually turn blueish. At a distance, when lit they appear white.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm going to have to so something with both of them. the green seems to be 'ok' but the red is faded so bad it's almost clear with a light pinkish color. I found some LED side markers at an attractive price, but the mounts are different so I might have to re-drill, but that's OK. It's time to update! Thanks! |
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says... On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:07:07 -0400, W1TEF wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:54:11 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: Again, I wouldn't do it without a couple of those million candle power lights, hand held and moving around a lot. Sound advice for ruining your night vision. If you flash a water cop or the USCG you will get a lesson on the proper use of docking lights. That may even be a monetary lesson. Flash me and I will be hailing the cops to see if there is one around to educate you a little. Oh Jesus... If I called the cops on everybody who's light went across my bow, I would never get any boating done... Besides, I am allowed to use the light while rowing around in the coves and flats. IIRC, we just had a thread on that;) But thanks for reminding me to beware the boatshoe set;) Scotty -- For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:36:00 -0400, I am Tosk
wrote: Still keep the lights on though for those hard inflatables that the yachties tend to give their kids to get drunk and fly around in at night;) What makes you think those are the kids? :-) |
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On 3/22/10 2:31 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:07:07 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:54:11 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: Again, I wouldn't do it without a couple of those million candle power lights, hand held and moving around a lot. Sound advice for ruining your night vision. If you flash a water cop or the USCG you will get a lesson on the proper use of docking lights. That may even be a monetary lesson. Flash me and I will be hailing the cops to see if there is one around to educate you a little. Oh Jesus... If I called the cops on everybody who's light went across my bow, I would never get any boating done... But...you don't boat anymore. |
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says... On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:36:00 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: Still keep the lights on though for those hard inflatables that the yachties tend to give their kids to get drunk and fly around in at night;) What makes you think those are the kids? :-) You *******! You killed Kenny!! ;) Scotty -- For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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I am Tosk wrote:
In , says... On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:36:00 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: Still keep the lights on though for those hard inflatables that the yachties tend to give their kids to get drunk and fly around in at night;) What makes you think those are the kids? :-) You *******! You killed Kenny!! ;) Scotty It's: You killed Kenny! You *******! You were close. |
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In article , LarryG86
@gmail.com says... I am Tosk wrote: In , says... On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:36:00 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: Still keep the lights on though for those hard inflatables that the yachties tend to give their kids to get drunk and fly around in at night;) What makes you think those are the kids? :-) You *******! You killed Kenny!! ;) Scotty It's: You killed Kenny! You *******! You were close. Yeah, I know, the guy stole it from me;) Scotty -- For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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On Mar 21, 3:21*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Pick up a copy of the Inland/International navigation rules or read them online - you can also download a copy in PDF format I believe. http://www.amazon.com/Navigation-Rul.../dp/0939837498 http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm Thanks for those links, Tom. I will be doing some studying. I suppose the reason I'm asking all these questions about Nav. Lights is I want to update my boat *to better standards and make it as safe as I can. I'd leave the lights alone for now as long as they are working OK since there are probably other things that need a look. * Running at night is very tricky even for the experienced, and should really be avoided when possible. *Take it real slow, especially the first few times. * Everything that looks familiar during daylight looks entirely different in the dark, and distances are much more difficult to judge accurately. Back in my sailboat days I ran literally thousands of miles in the dark with no incidents and noradarbut with a few close calls, some way too close for comfort. *Now that I've gotten used to running withradarat night I would never operate without it if at all possible. * Evenradaris not perfect however. *Off the coast of the Dominican Republic we were surprised several times by small wooden fishing skiffs operating 12 or more miles offshore with no lights and noradar image at all. *They are totally invisible until you are almost on them, even in daylight. *They would see us however and either yell or shine a light at us, not a really satisfactory way of navigating. That's one of my reasons for recommending a goodradarreflector. Wayne, can a person nail a coffee can onto a long stick, stand it up and screw it onto a windshield bracket and get by? *Ducking!* |
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In article 7901bd9b-0cb9-4527-8952-0be26ba6a9a8
@l25g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says... On Mar 21, 3:21*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Pick up a copy of the Inland/International navigation rules or read them online - you can also download a copy in PDF format I believe. http://www.amazon.com/Navigation-Rul.../dp/0939837498 http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm Thanks for those links, Tom. I will be doing some studying. I suppose the reason I'm asking all these questions about Nav. Lights is I want to update my boat *to better standards and make it as safe as I can. I'd leave the lights alone for now as long as they are working OK since there are probably other things that need a look. * Running at night is very tricky even for the experienced, and should really be avoided when possible. *Take it real slow, especially the first few times. * Everything that looks familiar during daylight looks entirely different in the dark, and distances are much more difficult to judge accurately. Back in my sailboat days I ran literally thousands of miles in the dark with no incidents and noradarbut with a few close calls, some way too close for comfort. *Now that I've gotten used to running withradarat night I would never operate without it if at all possible. * Evenradaris not perfect however. *Off the coast of the Dominican Republic we were surprised several times by small wooden fishing skiffs operating 12 or more miles offshore with no lights and noradar image at all. *They are totally invisible until you are almost on them, even in daylight. *They would see us however and either yell or shine a light at us, not a really satisfactory way of navigating. That's one of my reasons for recommending a goodradarreflector. Wayne, can a person nail a coffee can onto a long stick, stand it up and screw it onto a windshield bracket and get by? *Ducking!* Most coffee cans are now made of plastic, so, give it a try;) Scotty -- For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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On Mar 23, 11:39*am, I am Tosk
wrote: In article 7901bd9b-0cb9-4527-8952-0be26ba6a9a8 @l25g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says... On Mar 21, 3:21*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Pick up a copy of the Inland/International navigation rules or read them online - you can also download a copy in PDF format I believe.. http://www.amazon.com/Navigation-Rul.../dp/0939837498 http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm Thanks for those links, Tom. I will be doing some studying. I suppose the reason I'm asking all these questions about Nav. Lights is I want to update my boat *to better standards and make it as safe as I can. |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:04:01 -0400, hk
wrote: In a previous post, a question was asked: "Aren't most nav lights on or near the bow of most boats???" Your response: "No." How the hell would you know whether there are more boats with side or otherwise mounted nav lights than combo bow mounted nav lights? As there are far more small boats than large boats, I suspect there are more combo than split red/green nav lights on boats. And aren't combos satisfactory for boats up to 20 meters long? That would cover your old barge, wouldn't it? Nothing prevents you from using sidelights. Hell, I have bow-mounted, separate nav lights on my 21' Parker. I had the standard combo light removed to accommodate my anchor roller: http://tinyurl.com/yz48s97 You are a pompous ass, w'hine. Harry, if you don't like my posts, perhaps you shouldn't read them. I'm certainly not seeking your approval. Frankly I don't read most of your posts, and even have you kill filed on many of my computers because I have better things to do, you don't interest me very much, and it gets tiring watching your twisted mind devolve into yet another layer of neuroses. |
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On 3/23/10 6:40 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:04:01 -0400, wrote: In a previous post, a question was asked: "Aren't most nav lights on or near the bow of most boats???" Your response: "No." How the hell would you know whether there are more boats with side or otherwise mounted nav lights than combo bow mounted nav lights? As there are far more small boats than large boats, I suspect there are more combo than split red/green nav lights on boats. And aren't combos satisfactory for boats up to 20 meters long? That would cover your old barge, wouldn't it? Nothing prevents you from using sidelights. Hell, I have bow-mounted, separate nav lights on my 21' Parker. I had the standard combo light removed to accommodate my anchor roller: http://tinyurl.com/yz48s97 You are a pompous ass, w'hine. Harry, if you don't like my posts, perhaps you shouldn't read them. I'm certainly not seeking your approval. Frankly I don't read most of your posts, and even have you kill filed on many of my computers because I have better things to do, you don't interest me very much, and it gets tiring watching your twisted mind devolve into yet another layer of neuroses. In other words, when you lay down a like of bull**** as you did with the nav light question, because you are the mighty w'hine, no one is supposed to question it? You're not in charge here, w'hine. |
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On 3/23/10 7:51 PM, hk wrote:
On 3/23/10 6:40 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:04:01 -0400, wrote: In a previous post, a question was asked: "Aren't most nav lights on or near the bow of most boats???" Your response: "No." How the hell would you know whether there are more boats with side or otherwise mounted nav lights than combo bow mounted nav lights? As there are far more small boats than large boats, I suspect there are more combo than split red/green nav lights on boats. And aren't combos satisfactory for boats up to 20 meters long? That would cover your old barge, wouldn't it? Nothing prevents you from using sidelights. Hell, I have bow-mounted, separate nav lights on my 21' Parker. I had the standard combo light removed to accommodate my anchor roller: http://tinyurl.com/yz48s97 You are a pompous ass, w'hine. Harry, if you don't like my posts, perhaps you shouldn't read them. I'm certainly not seeking your approval. Frankly I don't read most of your posts, and even have you kill filed on many of my computers because I have better things to do, you don't interest me very much, and it gets tiring watching your twisted mind devolve into yet another layer of neuroses. In other words, when you lay down a line of bull**** as you did with the nav light question, because you are the mighty w'hine, no one is supposed to question it? You're not in charge here, w'hine. |
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On Mar 23, 8:53*pm, W1TEF wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:43:19 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Mar 21, 3:21*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Pick up a copy of the Inland/International navigation rules or read them online - you can also download a copy in PDF format I believe.. http://www.amazon.com/Navigation-Rul.../dp/0939837498 http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm Thanks for those links, Tom. I will be doing some studying. I suppose the reason I'm asking all these questions about Nav. Lights is I want to update my boat *to better standards and make it as safe as I can. |
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