Government Health Care Fraud
 

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks! And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

For Obama and democrats, it is about the revenue stream. They want the
health care money in government pockets, then dumb down the services and
government profits. A sneaky way to make you more dependant on
government and tax you more.

Don't let Obama's watered down BS fool you, make sure November 2010
counts and get rid of corrupt congressional idiots and the corrupted
senators.

The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

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http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13138731.html

Sick man faces bankruptcy — or death

Cancer patient must pay for drug needed to keep him alive

Kent Pankow lives in Edmonton, in a province and a country that is
trying to either kill him or bankrupt him.

No sense mincing words.

Suffering from brain cancer, Kent Pankow was literally forced to go to
the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. for lifesaving surgery — at a cost
to family and friends of $106,000 — after the health-care system in
Alberta left him hanging in bureaucratic limbo for 16 crucial days, his
tumour meanwhile migrating to an unreachable part of the brain, while it
dithered over his case file, ultimately deciding he was not surgery worthy.

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

Kent Pankow, as it turns out, has the right disease but he has it in the
wrong place.

Had he lung cancer, breast cancer, or colon cancer, then the cost of the
drug — $4,555 per treatment, two times a month — would be totally
covered by Alberta’s version of OHIP.

But he doesn’t.

And so he is not only a victim of brain cancer, he is also a victim of
arbitrary discrimination.

Full disclosure. Kent Pankow, a 40-year-old Red Seal sous chef, is a son
of the man who married the spouse of my late brother. And it was while
vacationing with them at their winter home in Los Cabos, Mexico,
recently that this story began to unfold back in their home province of
Alberta.

But do not think, even for a moment, that this could never happen in
Toronto or other parts of Ontario.

Our supposedly universal federal health care system, the pride of most
Canadians and the political struggle of America, is only as good as the
length of the waiting line and whether you have the right disease at the
right time.

After writing more than 150 letters to everyone from the prime minister
to virtually all health authorities both federal and provincial, and
being ignored in return, Kent Pankow’s wife, Deborah Hurford, decided to
finally go public.

CTV Edmonton did a major feature on the family’s plight on the 6 o’clock
news and, almost before the program ended, Alberta’s health and wellness
minister, Gene Zwozdesky, was on the phone to their home — ensuring
himself some positive press in the followup that aired later that night.

Then, when he heard the Pankows had filed a human rights complaint
against the province, justifiably citing medicare-based discrimination,
Zwozdesky suddenly went mute — stating he could no longer discuss the
matter publicly.

Ten years ago, when first diagnosed with a glioblastoma multiforme brain
tumour (GBM), Kent Pankow was given five years to live.

After beating it down once, however, with his first surgery having been
performed in Alberta, he spent nearly seven years in remission until the
cancer’s return in 2008.

And he is not prepared to give up.

“He’s a fighter,” says his wife, admitting, however, that the cost of
the drug has been a significant drain on friends and family who have not
only donated large sums of their own money, but have also organized
fundraisers to keep hope alive, including school penny drives.

“When Kent goes for his Avastin IV injection, he sits next to patients
who receive the same drug for free because they have another type of
cancer — like colon cancer,” Hurford says.

“Brain tumour patients deserve the same rights as other cancer patients,
including access to the same lifesaving treatments — and without
additional costs.

“I can’t begin to tell you how frustrated, angry, disgusted and appalled
I am with both the Alberta health system and the individuals within the
system who continue to perpetuate such an archaic and inhumane approach
to the treatment of patients.” she says. “It seems like they are doing
everything in their power to ensure that Kent succumbs to an early and
unnecessary death.”

“The Avastin is working. The size of the remaining tumour has remained
static since October,” she says.

“But how can anyone afford almost $10,000 a month for a drug — even if
it is saving a loved one’s life?”

When Alberta health minister Gene Zwozdesky called the Pankow home on
the night CTV Edmonton aired its story, he purportedly blamed the feds,
namely Health Canada, for deciding what drugs are covered, and for what.

Federal Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq, however, in a letter to Deborah
Hurford, wrote that “while Health Canada is responsible for the market
authorization of drug products, the province and territorial governments
are responsible for managing the list of drugs for which public
reimbursement from government drug plans is available.”

This, too, is passing the buck.

What Aglukkaq would not explain to Hurford — citing confidentiality —
was why Avastin received a notice of compliance from Health Canada for
other forms of cancer, but not yet for brain cancer as in the United States.

Nor would she offer any information regarding any application before her
department for the use of Avastin in the treatment of brain tumours.

“Based on Kent’s MRI’s and radiology reports, and analysis by his
surgeon at the Mayo Clinic, Avastin is playing a key role in stabilizing
Kent’s tumour,” says Hurford.

“Without it, Kent’s tumour will grow and he will die.

“So why then,” asks Hurford, “is (everyone) choosing not to help Kent
and other brain tumour patients who are forced to go public with their
private health issues and fundraise for their lifesaving medical treatments?

“Where is the dignity in that?”
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?


And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?


The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.


----

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13138731.html

Sick man faces bankruptcy — or death

you DO realize that about 30% of all bankruptcies in the US are
related to medical costs, right?

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.
..

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..


HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

what a fairy tale view of american socity you have!

Government Health Care Fraud
 

On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living high on the hog maters more than insurance.

Which is the biggest weakness of the US system, squaters and welshers
crying foul. Don't pay but expect serices types.

Met one once in Kenosha Wisconsin. They were non-stop braging about
being to the great wall in china, pyramids in Egypt, Africa, India and
even Russia. Every year a 2 week big time vacation.

And they were so ****ed they couldn't get health care after they needed
it, as they wanted it after he was needing a $100K operation. Being
denied, they had to sell their house and rent because they didn't have
the equity to keep it.

Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing. But at least they had the freedom to chose.

how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees
that didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want
socialized medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.

The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people
want the best and willing to pay for it.

I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the
problem here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious?
Screw them, these are sins not rights.

----

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13138731.html

Sick man faces bankruptcy — or death

you DO realize that about 30% of all bankruptcies in the US are
related to medical costs, right?

So? If a person wants a last chance and it isn't covered, who the hell
am I to say they should not have the right to sell out and do it?

But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not
contributing because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did.
Happens all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so
his wife could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not
provide. He was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to
cover.

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate
level of understanding.

Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

what a fairy tale view of american socity you have!

Lived there for 10 years. Even used the system twice. Cracked sternum
and weekend warior injuries. I have lived in 4 countries, I forgot how
many I have visited.

Did you know if Canadians go to the US, their maximum government
coverage is $100 per day or some silly small amount like that? Hell, we
pay aome $2500 a year in suplimental insurance for what the government
does not cover that a US plan would. We do this so if in US at the time
we don't have to sell the house if we need treatment.

Your point?

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Government Health Care Fraud
 

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and living
high on the hog maters more than insurance.

Which is the biggest weakness of the US system, squaters and welshers
crying foul. Don't pay but expect serices types.

Met one once in Kenosha Wisconsin. They were non-stop braging about being
to the great wall in china, pyramids in Egypt, Africa, India and even
Russia. Every year a 2 week big time vacation.

And they were so ****ed they couldn't get health care after they needed
it, as they wanted it after he was needing a $100K operation. Being
denied, they had to sell their house and rent because they didn't have the
equity to keep it.

Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and welshing.
But at least they had the freedom to chose.

how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees that
didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want socialized
medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.

The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people want
the best and willing to pay for it.

I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the problem
here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious? Screw them,
these are sins not rights.

----

http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13138731.html

Sick man faces bankruptcy — or death

you DO realize that about 30% of all bankruptcies in the US are
related to medical costs, right?

So? If a person wants a last chance and it isn't covered, who the hell am
I to say they should not have the right to sell out and do it?

But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not contributing
because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did. Happens
all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so his wife
could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not provide. He
was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to cover.

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of such
maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate level of
understanding.

Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

what a fairy tale view of american socity you have!

Lived there for 10 years. Even used the system twice. Cracked sternum
and weekend warior injuries. I have lived in 4 countries, I forgot how
many I have visited.

Did you know if Canadians go to the US, their maximum government coverage
is $100 per day or some silly small amount like that? Hell, we pay aome
$2500 a year in suplimental insurance for what the government does not
cover that a US plan would. We do this so if in US at the time we don't
have to sell the house if we need treatment.

Your point?

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Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.


You are truly stupid. Thank GOD you can't get back into the US.


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Government Health Care Fraud
 

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:10:34 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living high on the hog maters more than insurance.

yep more typical right wing bull****. i was unemployed for a bit when
lucent technologies went under

but the right wing HATES the middle class. just like canuck just
proved. 10% unemployment? no health insurance?

good....let 'em die. **** em and their lazy children. if they die in
the streets at least the rich can have some entertainment

this is PROOF that we need socialized medicine


Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing. But at least they had the freedom to chose.

oh sure we did. $600/week for unemployment with no health insurance.
and canuck's view?

**** em. the rich will survive


how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

uh huh. and how, precisely. does one do that? the tooth fairy perhaps?
what planet do you live on?


Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees
that didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want
socialized medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

yep. notice how he froths at the mouth at the idea the middle class
should have ANY protections

to him, millions unemployed is fine. dying children? great. suffering,
disease, poverty? fantastic!!

but let's protect the RICH!!!



And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

then why you bitching? if all you need is a pill, what difference does
it make where you get it?

but you notice...he favors substandard care for the middle class
because that's all they deserve. after all, only the rich should get
good healthcare.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.


gee. i was just diagnosed with meniere's disease. why not tell me
about how you're gonna self diagnose that, genius? hell, i'd been to
nursing school and never heard of it.



The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people
want the best and willing to pay for it.

too bad we dont get it. the french have a better healthcare system
than we do, at half the cost

so in your delusional, rush limp ball fairy tale word, what makes a
health system 'better'? more cost? higher death rates? it only serves
the rich?

that what you consider good care?


I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the
problem here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious?
Screw them, these are sins not rights.

yep, the middle class should just die, right. who needs 'em.


But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not
contributing because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did.
Happens all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so
his wife could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not
provide. He was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to
cover.

more **** the middle class


Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate
level of understanding.

ah. so we kill hundreds of thousands of kids that other countries
dont...and your view is **** 'em



Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

we have a choice?

care to prove that? care to prove anything obama's doing will change
that?

Government Health Care Fraud
 

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.


It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Government Health Care Fraud
 

bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?
How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.

It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.
Insurance is not-for-profit, and since the gov ends up subsidizing it,
health care costs and fraud are kept in check.
Here in the U.S. laws are written to do the opposite.
The big difference between other countries and the U.S. (only "1st
world" country without universal health care) is their pols aren't
bought by special interests.
But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."
Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.
Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.
Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks
wrote:


But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."
Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.
Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.
Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.


exactly. i read a poll that said 31% of americans think they're going
to be rich; and the 'economist', a conservative, free market
publication had a report that of the 30 largest industrial
democracies, the US has the most hostile attitude towards labor.

canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

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On 07/03/2010 2:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and living
high on the hog maters more than insurance.

Which is the biggest weakness of the US system, squaters and welshers
crying foul. Don't pay but expect serices types.

Met one once in Kenosha Wisconsin. They were non-stop braging about being
to the great wall in china, pyramids in Egypt, Africa, India and even
Russia. Every year a 2 week big time vacation.

And they were so ****ed they couldn't get health care after they needed
it, as they wanted it after he was needing a $100K operation. Being
denied, they had to sell their house and rent because they didn't have the
equity to keep it.

Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and welshing.
But at least they had the freedom to chose.

how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees that
didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want socialized
medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.

The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people want
the best and willing to pay for it.

I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the problem
here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious? Screw them,
these are sins not rights.

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http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13138731.html

Sick man faces bankruptcy — or death

you DO realize that about 30% of all bankruptcies in the US are
related to medical costs, right?

So? If a person wants a last chance and it isn't covered, who the hell am
I to say they should not have the right to sell out and do it?

But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not contributing
because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did. Happens
all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so his wife
could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not provide. He
was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to cover.

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of such
maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate level of
understanding.

Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

what a fairy tale view of american socity you have!

Lived there for 10 years. Even used the system twice. Cracked sternum
and weekend warior injuries. I have lived in 4 countries, I forgot how
many I have visited.

Did you know if Canadians go to the US, their maximum government coverage
is $100 per day or some silly small amount like that? Hell, we pay aome
$2500 a year in suplimental insurance for what the government does not
cover that a US plan would. We do this so if in US at the time we don't
have to sell the house if we need treatment.

Your point?

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You are truly stupid. Thank GOD you can't get back into the US.

Was there last fall, no issues.

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On 07/03/2010 4:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:10:34 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living high on the hog maters more than insurance.

yep more typical right wing bull****. i was unemployed for a bit when
lucent technologies went under

So. Didn't you have a reserve fund? Or so in debt you don't have one
living pay check to pay check?

Hell, For a good chunk of my stay in the US I paid my own health care.
(Consulting).

but the right wing HATES the middle class. just like canuck just
proved. 10% unemployment? no health insurance?

Hell, it's 17% and climbing you America. I don't like those
"adjustments" to polish a turd.

good....let 'em die. **** em and their lazy children. if they die in
the streets at least the rich can have some entertainment

I like the old values better, when they are ready be sure to give them a
hand up, but not a hand out.

this is PROOF that we need socialized medicine

Said a person who can't manage their finances.

How about this, tax those without coverage. 25% of their income. And
watch the numbers drop.

Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing. But at least they had the freedom to chose.

oh sure we did. $600/week for unemployment with no health insurance.
and canuck's view?

**** em. the rich will survive

The secret to "rich" as you liberal leftists would like to put it is
simple. Spend less than you make and save a reserve fund for when it
isn't dropping money into your lives.

how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

uh huh. and how, precisely. does one do that? the tooth fairy perhaps?
what planet do you live on?

Apply to Obama for a loan. See if he will bail you out.

Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees
that didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want
socialized medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

yep. notice how he froths at the mouth at the idea the middle class
should have ANY protections

to him, millions unemployed is fine. dying children? great. suffering,
disease, poverty? fantastic!!

but let's protect the RICH!!!

Yep, need a law to prevent immature addults having children they can't
afford to raise properly.

And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

then why you bitching? if all you need is a pill, what difference does
it make where you get it?

You missed that one.

but you notice...he favors substandard care for the middle class
because that's all they deserve. after all, only the rich should get
good healthcare.

Didn't say that at all. Just make payments to health care like the car,
home, boat or alcohol you buy.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.

gee. i was just diagnosed with meniere's disease. why not tell me
about how you're gonna self diagnose that, genius? hell, i'd been to
nursing school and never heard of it.

In the end, you will only get what you pay for. Maybe less if
governemtn overhead is added. In Ottawa, that is 25.2% GA. Pretty
inefficient white collar work.

The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people
want the best and willing to pay for it.

too bad we dont get it. the french have a better healthcare system
than we do, at half the cost

Ya, and being 1000's of years older in culture, might have been better
thought out. But since I haven't lived in France, don't take this as an
endorsement of it.

so in your delusional, rush limp ball fairy tale word, what makes a
health system 'better'? more cost? higher death rates? it only serves
the rich?

No you are. There is no pot of gold at the end of Obama's rainbow, just
taxation servatude.

that what you consider good care?

That would take too long to explain. And I don't think you are open
enough to hear it. But I will give it a simple view.

Universal yes, government oversight, yes. But engineered to prevent
governemtn abuse and health care professional abuse. Heavy taxes to
those who don't participate. No governemtn skiming. Keep deductabes,
it prevents idle housewife and runny nose abuse. Even comes with a
collections arm. Don't pay your child support, outstanding fines, jump
a fence, no coverage and heavy taxes. There is more.. but will not
happen...

As this is about governemtn increasing revenue. Always ahs been. Jam it
in fast then turn the taxation screws on America. That is what it is
really about or the planning would be much better and take years to
accomplish.

But selfish jack asses like you can't see it. Because you screwed up.
Now you want others to pay for it.

I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the
problem here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious?
Screw them, these are sins not rights.

yep, the middle class should just die, right. who needs 'em.

If you look at how Obama and congress is dealing with this recession,
that is their attitude.

Mine is simple, if banks, governments don't ease off of the middle
class, there will be no middle class to support their fat asses in DC or
Ottawa. You are just more deperate than others, but don't let it blind
you as to who is doing the screwing. It is the corrupt, not the
capitalists.

Damn, I am a capitalist and I would love to give you a job. But I will
not be a capitalist for long if I lose money in a **** assed environment
setup by a corrupt government running a huge ponzi scheme. Investors
are scared at this as sooner or later good old debt is going to have to
be repaid and we dont' want to be tax screwed into losing money.

But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not
contributing because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did.
Happens all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so
his wife could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not
provide. He was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to
cover.

more **** the middle class

Your interpretation.

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate
level of understanding.

ah. so we kill hundreds of thousands of kids that other countries
dont...and your view is **** 'em

You got trillions for war, and nothing for people. Funny, you support
the system that is hurting you.

Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

we have a choice?

care to prove that? care to prove anything obama's doing will change
that?

Ya, if providor A isn't doing good, you can move on to B or C.

That will not work in Canada, one arbitary choice, no options. Don't
like it so sad, some liberal statist will be happy to remind you to pay up.

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On 07/03/2010 4:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.


It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Hey, you can pick your family doctors in our system.

Trouble is finding one that isn't booked well into 2011 and accepting
patients. Your next problem is finding one that speaks english. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

And if hospitalized, as a follow up they send you too a specialist. An
abusive one, but available. They just **** you off, and no confidence
in letting them take a knife to you, you see someone else on your own
dime as it isn't "approved".

Pretty typical around here.

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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:34:31 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 4:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:10:34 -0700,
wrote:


really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living high on the hog maters more than insurance.

yep more typical right wing bull****. i was unemployed for a bit when
lucent technologies went under

So. Didn't you have a reserve fund? Or so in debt you don't have one
living pay check to pay check?

Hell, For a good chunk of my stay in the US I paid my own health care.
(Consulting).

who the **** cares what you did? you're an asshole you keep telling me
how much you saved so you could **** yourself when the rich stopped
letting you give them rim jobs.

i'm happy you're such a suck ass. you've found a mission in life.
telling the middle class to bend over like you did so the rich could
protect themselves

congratulations!!


but the right wing HATES the middle class. just like canuck just
proved. 10% unemployment? no health insurance?

Hell, it's 17% and climbing you America. I don't like those
"adjustments" to polish a turd.

sorry asshole. they did the same type of measurement under bush.
you're too ****ing stupid to understand how measurements are made.


good....let 'em die. **** em and their lazy children. if they die in
the streets at least the rich can have some entertainment

I like the old values better, when they are ready be sure to give them a
hand up, but not a hand out.

more meaningless bull****. every single time a program comes up to aid
the middle class you call it communism. not a single time EVERY have
you admitted the middle class even deserves to be PAID for work let
alone deserves benefits


Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing. But at least they had the freedom to chose.

oh sure we did. $600/week for unemployment with no health insurance.
and canuck's view?

**** em. the rich will survive

The secret to "rich" as you liberal leftists would like to put it is
simple. Spend less than you make and save a reserve fund for when it
isn't dropping money into your lives.

more **** the middle class. the middle class in your view has to pay
ALL the bills

it's own health insurance
it's own retirement
its own unemployment

AND the bills to support the rich, like the bailout. that way the
rich will still be rich, proving in your deluded mental state that the
rich deserve to be rich.


how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

uh huh. and how, precisely. does one do that? the tooth fairy perhaps?
what planet do you live on?

Apply to Obama for a loan. See if he will bail you out.

actually he's proposing subsidies for the working poor. versus your
view that they and their children should be ground up and used as cow
fodder.


to him, millions unemployed is fine. dying children? great. suffering,
disease, poverty? fantastic!!

but let's protect the RICH!!!

Yep, need a law to prevent immature addults having children they can't
afford to raise properly.

yep. more **** the middle class. every single statement he makes drips
hatred for the middle class

never occurs to the asshole that 1/2 of all workers make less than the
median income. apprently only the rich should have kids.

but you notice...he favors substandard care for the middle class
because that's all they deserve. after all, only the rich should get
good healthcare.

Didn't say that at all. Just make payments to health care like the car,
home, boat or alcohol you buy.

more bull****. how are we supposed to do that when your rich friends
raped our 401k's before they laid us all off?

oh. that's right. we're supposed to give ALL our money to he rich then
let the kids die on the street.


If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.

gee. i was just diagnosed with meniere's disease. why not tell me
about how you're gonna self diagnose that, genius? hell, i'd been to
nursing school and never heard of it.

In the end, you will only get what you pay for. Maybe less if
governemtn overhead is added. In Ottawa, that is 25.2% GA. Pretty
inefficient white collar work.

the US gets LESS than it pays for. we have the most expensive
healthcare in the world

effect? none. our death rate is not different than anyone else's

but, that's a fact. and right whiners dont do facts.


too bad we dont get it. the french have a better healthcare system
than we do, at half the cost

Ya, and being 1000's of years older in culture, might have been better
thought out. But since I haven't lived in France, don't take this as an
endorsement of it.

so you finally admit someone with socialize medicine is doing
something right.

about ****in time.


so in your delusional, rush limp ball fairy tale word, what makes a
health system 'better'? more cost? higher death rates? it only serves
the rich?

No you are. There is no pot of gold at the end of Obama's rainbow, just
taxation servatude.

we already pay 'taxes' for healthcare, moron. it aint free. and the
american worker is paying for the most expensive healthcare in the
world

more facts. run, little boy...run.


Universal yes, government oversight, yes. But engineered to prevent
governemtn abuse and health care professional abuse.

gee. that looks ALOT like what obama is proposing. guess you just dont
know what he's talking about. you just think he's a darkie so he HAS
to be wrong...


But selfish jack asses like you can't see it. Because you screwed up.
Now you want others to pay for it.

ROFLMAO!! i work for a living. THAT'S why you hate me. i'm middle
class, not rich. so to you i'm worthless.


yep, the middle class should just die, right. who needs 'em.

If you look at how Obama and congress is dealing with this recession,
that is their attitude.

really? by dropping unemployment? stablizing the economy?

yes, i know you favor letting unemployment go to 25%. more hatred for
the middle class


Mine is simple, if banks, governments don't ease off of the middle
class, there will be no middle class to support their fat asses in DC or
Ottawa. You are just more deperate than others, but don't let it blind
you as to who is doing the screwing. It is the corrupt, not the
capitalists.

the capitalists ARE the corrupt ones, idiot. it wasn't the bolsheviks
who headed up goldman sachs, lehman bros, etc!!


Damn, I am a capitalist and I would love to give you a job. But I will
not be a capitalist for long if I lose money in a **** assed environment
setup by a corrupt government running a huge ponzi scheme. Investors
are scared at this as sooner or later good old debt is going to have to
be repaid and we dont' want to be tax screwed into losing money.


now let's see. in 2007, the financial sector accounted for 40% of US
GDP. every single one of those assholes was a CAPITALIST for the
middle class and a SOCIALIST for themselves

you? you think that's the way god wanted it.


oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate
level of understanding.

ah. so we kill hundreds of thousands of kids that other countries
dont...and your view is **** 'em

You got trillions for war, and nothing for people. Funny, you support
the system that is hurting you.

who said i did? you dont even know WHAT i think about the iraq war,
do? guess you think obama supported it...


Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

we have a choice?

care to prove that? care to prove anything obama's doing will change
that?

Ya, if providor A isn't doing good, you can move on to B or C.

really? guess again idiot. my employer choosed my healthcare provider.
not me.

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On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:16:01 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?
How does either the house or senate bill address this?

well that's the problem, isn't it? private health care is substandard.
with socialized medicine, we'd be able to pick our doctors.

It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

Insurance is not-for-profit, and since the gov ends up subsidizing it,
health care costs and fraud are kept in check.
Here in the U.S. laws are written to do the opposite.

Agreed. Had a buddy who worked at one and said the place was paralyzed
against productive change for the bureaucracy was like an unmovable
titanium ingot.

The big difference between other countries and the U.S. (only "1st
world" country without universal health care) is their pols aren't
bought by special interests.

Interesting.

But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."

Double standard. But does not give people the right not to pay for it.
One way or anotehr it will be paid. Last I checked, medical people
didn't work for free any more than I do.

Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.

To a point. But who am I to say people should or should not? I like
leaving the People with the choice.

Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.

And you can't bring your money with you.

Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

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On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks
wrote:


But "the folks" here like that. It's called "The Capitalistic Freedom
to be socialist when it suits your purpose."
Makes us better than everybody else. That's what "the folks" think.
And it's good to have insurance and good health care while others don't,
even if you're paying through the nose.
Money talks. Dying in the street is just a sign you failed.
Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.


exactly. i read a poll that said 31% of americans think they're going
to be rich; and the 'economist', a conservative, free market
publication had a report that of the 30 largest industrial
democracies, the US has the most hostile attitude towards labor.

canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings, I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:24 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks


canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings,

there are no unions in the US. if there were, the middle class
wouldn't be as poor as it is.

I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

blah blah blah...the middle class sucks...the m iddle class should
die...blah blah blah...


Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.

sorry. the GOP already cut taxes for the rich and stuck me with the
bill

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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:


Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.


But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk



Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.

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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 4:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:


It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Hey, you can pick your family doctors in our system.

and here we can as well. of course, most of them graduated from the
world renowned kabul university school of medicine.


Trouble is finding one that isn't booked well into 2011 and accepting
patients. Your next problem is finding one that speaks english

got the same problem here.

.. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

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On 07/03/2010 7:13 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks


canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings,

there are no unions in the US. if there were, the middle class
wouldn't be as poor as it is.

Hey, let us not forget the $100 billion auto disater of GM & Chrysler.

Mix in mafia like unions with slack assed management and a spineless
board of directors... a couple of decades and US auto is irreperably
damaged.

I will not buy a GM/Chrysler/GMAC/UAW/CAW/Cerberus/Carlyle anything is
the result for me. As I don't like rewarding corruption,
dysfunctionality and entitlement.

If I was president, I would have said you want to save GM? Take out a
loan on your own, each one of you UAW/CAW *******s buy the company. It
would have took about $50K to 100K from each claimed UAW/CAW member and
the debts would have been paid.

I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

blah blah blah...the middle class sucks...the m iddle class should
die...blah blah blah...


Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.

sorry. the GOP already cut taxes for the rich and stuck me with the
bill

Yep, I guess then Obama is GOP. He would be a real ass if he let Bush
sign the checks in the last 14+ months now. And all with democratic
congressional approval.

But we all know you like to ignore those facts. Envy, greed, dilusional
crap are best disposed of, and focus the energy on bettering yourself.
To governemtn you are just a 9 digit number and sheeples.

--
Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

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On 3/7/10 9:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2010 7:13 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks


canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings,

there are no unions in the US. if there were, the middle class
wouldn't be as poor as it is.

Hey, let us not forget the $100 billion auto disater of GM & Chrysler.

Mix in mafia like unions with slack assed management and a spineless
board of directors... a couple of decades and US auto is irreperably
damaged.

I will not buy a GM/Chrysler/GMAC/UAW/CAW/Cerberus/Carlyle anything is
the result for me. As I don't like rewarding corruption,
dysfunctionality and entitlement.

If I was president, I would have said you want to save GM? Take out a
loan on your own, each one of you UAW/CAW *******s buy the company. It
would have took about $50K to 100K from each claimed UAW/CAW member and
the debts would have been paid.

I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

blah blah blah...the middle class sucks...the m iddle class should
die...blah blah blah...


Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.

sorry. the GOP already cut taxes for the rich and stuck me with the
bill

Yep, I guess then Obama is GOP. He would be a real ass if he let Bush
sign the checks in the last 14+ months now. And all with democratic
congressional approval.

But we all know you like to ignore those facts. Envy, greed, dilusional
crap are best disposed of, and focus the energy on bettering yourself.
To governemtn you are just a 9 digit number and sheeples.



Yawn. You take the cake as the most uninformed right-wing gasbag posting
in rec.boats. You're nothing more than a jobless ex-pat, hiding out in
Canada so you can take advantage of its taxpayers and the Canadian
welfare state. You remind me of Scott Ingersoll, another right-wing
gasbag, except he still lives here, and he, too, lives off the largess
of others.


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http://tinyurl.com/ycpsnzz

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On 07/03/2010 7:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:


Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.

True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.

I guess then it went over your head.

Only if done right, with years of planing including social engineering,
seperation of revenues and a whole lot of policy to prevent abuse,
*******isation and bull****.

None of which the democrats did, because to them it is just a money grab.

Does not mean I disgree with the 90,000 foot view of univeral health
care, just that do it right or **** yourselves for statism and the
mesiah Obama. His view is $$$ in each eye and you are the sheep.

But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk

Look at Canada and the UK. Our tax rates are insane, justified every
time the government wanted more money as they mispent on something else.

For example, started in SK, then the feds made it national. Federal
taxes went nuts. Being so cumbersome, they shifted it back to the
provinces like a hot potato. Trouble is fed taxes didn't go down they
went up. Provinces snuck in higher taxes and ever higher taxes as do
you want heath care? So 50% of your income ends up in one form or
another to one level of government or another.

Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.

But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.

Nope, lifetime and term maximum costs so one person can't go out costing
$30 million sucking the system dry. But publicised and rigidly
designed, so it is the same for Obama as it is for you. No elitism. If
Obama or rich want it better, then they pay on their dime.

Like Williams in Canada did. His province wasn't good enough so he went
to a US hospital on the citizens dime I suspect. Elitism I suspect as
you can bet you ass his option isn't available to commoners.

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On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 4:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:21:03 -0500, wrote:


It does absolutely ZERO to the provider networks or even how the
insurance companies do business. It only guarantees them more business
... Sweet if you are an insurance company, a medical conglomerate or a
drug company. They all get richer and our prices WILL go up..

gee. and how does canuck's view that the middle class should die
address this? care to comment?

Hey, you can pick your family doctors in our system.

and here we can as well. of course, most of them graduated from the
world renowned kabul university school of medicine.


Trouble is finding one that isn't booked well into 2011 and accepting
patients. Your next problem is finding one that speaks english

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

--
Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

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bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:04 PM, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote:
bpuharic wrote:

Why? Maybe he agrees.
Haven't seen any answers from him, just roadblocks.
Here's something that can't be escaped.
The U.S. health care system is basically socialism for health care
providers and insurance companies.
There are plenty of examples of health care systems around the world
that provide better service for 1/2 to 2/3 the cost.
True. But usually comes with less taxes, less lawsuits, lower
practioner standards, lower cost of living. They often have plans where
the governemtn will sponsor the expensive education buy you have to work
it off afterwards. Including supporting rural areas.

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.


True. Sometimes ideology overcomes common sense.

But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk

Plenty of proof. Why didn't the Dems get a health care bill, including
a public option or Medicare buy-in, done already?
They had 60 in the Senate and a good majority in the House.
And they're still stuck in neutral.
Look at who's paying off mobsters like Nelson, Lieberman, et al.
Insurance companies, drug companies, and Wall Street.
Why didn't Obama show the leadership needed to get the job done?
Look at his advisers and his political cash contributors.
Insurance companies, drug companies and Wall Street.
You know about the deals the Dems cut, don't you?
Money talks in the U.S.A. And the American government is the best money
can buy.
Don't get me wrong. Anything that gets passed is an improvement.
If they pass that first hurdle, the good pols can work on fixing the
problems. It'll be easy, because all the selling out of the American
citizens will become evident soon enough.
It's going be a Waterloo, one way or another.


Having health care shows you did something right, even if it was dumb
luck. What's that saying about money and luck?
The rest of the world else laughs and shakes their head.
"The folks" don't mind. Just shows how stupid and socialist the others
are. There's an answer for that. Rename French fries American fries.
Problem solved.
But people also fail to realize thatn 300 years ago, the medical was
simple. Get a lump or tumor, here is the heroin or cocaine and have a
nice couple of months. (Coke used to be the real thing!)

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.


Well, he's better and smarter than everybody else.
I heard something like 1/2 the Medicare budget is spent on keeping old
people alive for the last couple months.
It's a medical provider ripoff, but if you make them stop it, you'll be
accused of favoring death panels. Like Adolf Hitler, I think.
And you're a commie, too.
The money-makers have this stuff down pat.
And they find fools like Cannuck to suck it up and pass it on.
Fancies himself a brilliant capitalist. But he's just a tool.

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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:42:07 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:04:30 -0700,
wrote:

he keeps telling us why socialized systems are better. then complains
when obama wants to socialize some aspects of US healthcare

go figure.

I guess then it went over your head.

uh no. i just dont have a tin foil hat on my head like you do


Only if done right, with years of planing including social engineering,
seperation of revenues and a whole lot of policy to prevent abuse,
*******isation and bull****.

None of which the democrats did, because to them it is just a money grab.

uh huh. our 401k's collapsed under bush. so who does canuck say is to
blame?

the darkie



Does not mean I disgree with the 90,000 foot view of univeral health
care, just that do it right or **** yourselves for statism and the
mesiah Obama. His view is $$$ in each eye and you are the sheep.

he'd go for socialized medicine. unfortunately there are alot of
illiterates like you in the US who drool into their bibs each night
sayinjg how wonderful unregulated capitalism is.


But they don't want to evolve the US system, they want the cash flow.
Two different beasts.

more paranoia. any proof? nope. just more 'hate the darkie' talk

Look at Canada and the UK. Our tax rates are insane, justified every
time the government wanted more money as they mispent on something else.

our rates are insane too. we just squander our money on defense that
no one else in the world is willing to pay


For example, started in SK, then the feds made it national. Federal
taxes went nuts. Being so cumbersome, they shifted it back to the
provinces like a hot potato. Trouble is fed taxes didn't go down they
went up. Provinces snuck in higher taxes and ever higher taxes as do
you want heath care? So 50% of your income ends up in one form or
another to one level of government or another.

30% fed taxes
5% state and local
6% VAT
8% social security

gee. that's almost 50%. and yet you think americans pay no taxes.

more proof your tin foil hat needs adjusted

Today, there is all sorts of expensive stuff they can do to keep you
around longer. But what is the practical limits? And how to make it
fair for everyone and not just be a government hose up your ass.

canuck's solution?

if you're middle class, you die.

Nope, lifetime and term maximum costs so one person can't go out costing
$30 million sucking the system dry.

you mean like death panels? of course the GOP lied about THOSE...

right whiners lie about EVERYTHING

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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:01 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

yep. thinks that all working people are lazy...cant believe we
actually work

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 07/03/2010 2:59 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get
the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living
high on the hog maters more than insurance.

Which is the biggest weakness of the US system, squaters and welshers
crying foul. Don't pay but expect serices types.

Met one once in Kenosha Wisconsin. They were non-stop braging about
being
to the great wall in china, pyramids in Egypt, Africa, India and even
Russia. Every year a 2 week big time vacation.

And they were so ****ed they couldn't get health care after they needed
it, as they wanted it after he was needing a $100K operation. Being
denied, they had to sell their house and rent because they didn't have
the
equity to keep it.

Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing.
But at least they had the freedom to chose.

how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees
that
didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want socialized
medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.

The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people
and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people
want
the best and willing to pay for it.

I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the
problem
here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious? Screw them,
these are sins not rights.

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http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canad.../13138731.html

Sick man faces bankruptcy — or death

you DO realize that about 30% of all bankruptcies in the US are
related to medical costs, right?

So? If a person wants a last chance and it isn't covered, who the hell
am
I to say they should not have the right to sell out and do it?

But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not
contributing
because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did.
Happens
all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so his wife
could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not provide. He
was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to cover.

Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the
drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such
maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate level
of
understanding.

Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

what a fairy tale view of american socity you have!

Lived there for 10 years. Even used the system twice. Cracked sternum
and weekend warior injuries. I have lived in 4 countries, I forgot how
many I have visited.

Did you know if Canadians go to the US, their maximum government
coverage
is $100 per day or some silly small amount like that? Hell, we pay aome
$2500 a year in suplimental insurance for what the government does not
cover that a US plan would. We do this so if in US at the time we don't
have to sell the house if we need treatment.

Your point?

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You are truly stupid. Thank GOD you can't get back into the US.

Was there last fall, no issues.

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Bs. Prove it.

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On 07/03/2010 7:42 PM, Harry wrote:
On 3/7/10 9:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2010 7:13 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks


canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings,

there are no unions in the US. if there were, the middle class
wouldn't be as poor as it is.

Hey, let us not forget the $100 billion auto disater of GM & Chrysler.

Mix in mafia like unions with slack assed management and a spineless
board of directors... a couple of decades and US auto is irreperably
damaged.

I will not buy a GM/Chrysler/GMAC/UAW/CAW/Cerberus/Carlyle anything is
the result for me. As I don't like rewarding corruption,
dysfunctionality and entitlement.

If I was president, I would have said you want to save GM? Take out a
loan on your own, each one of you UAW/CAW *******s buy the company. It
would have took about $50K to 100K from each claimed UAW/CAW member and
the debts would have been paid.

I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

blah blah blah...the middle class sucks...the m iddle class should
die...blah blah blah...


Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.

sorry. the GOP already cut taxes for the rich and stuck me with the
bill

Yep, I guess then Obama is GOP. He would be a real ass if he let Bush
sign the checks in the last 14+ months now. And all with democratic
congressional approval.

But we all know you like to ignore those facts. Envy, greed, dilusional
crap are best disposed of, and focus the energy on bettering yourself.
To governemtn you are just a 9 digit number and sheeples.



Yawn. You take the cake as the most uninformed right-wing gasbag posting
in rec.boats. You're nothing more than a jobless ex-pat, hiding out in
Canada so you can take advantage of its taxpayers and the Canadian
welfare state. You remind me of Scott Ingersoll, another right-wing
gasbag, except he still lives here, and he, too, lives off the largess
of others.

Not at all, had a better investment opportunity here and could see the
US economy might go to hell. And being on visa's, well, always get out
when the going is good and on your terms. Worked out quite well too.

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On 07/03/2010 7:55 PM, bpuharic wrote:

Only if done right, with years of planing including social engineering,
seperation of revenues and a whole lot of policy to prevent abuse,
*******isation and bull****.

None of which the democrats did, because to them it is just a money grab.

uh huh. our 401k's collapsed under bush. so who does canuck say is to
blame?

the darkie

Nope, your fault. Money is attracted to those that know how to manage it.

When money, government, banks, debt manages people, they tend to loose it.

I can't claim that truism, I owe it to my grandfather.

Does not mean I disgree with the 90,000 foot view of univeral health
care, just that do it right or **** yourselves for statism and the
mesiah Obama. His view is $$$ in each eye and you are the sheep.

he'd go for socialized medicine. unfortunately there are alot of
illiterates like you in the US who drool into their bibs each night
sayinjg how wonderful unregulated capitalism is.

Sometimes it is better to be satisfied with what you have and not become
a desperate envious jack ass.

Look at Canada and the UK. Our tax rates are insane, justified every
time the government wanted more money as they mispent on something else.

our rates are insane too. we just squander our money on defense that
no one else in the world is willing to pay

You think so? When I was in Wisconsin, I believe in the top half of
taxation, I thought I was on a tax freaking holiday for 10 years.

You clueless ****s have no clue.

For example, started in SK, then the feds made it national. Federal
taxes went nuts. Being so cumbersome, they shifted it back to the
provinces like a hot potato. Trouble is fed taxes didn't go down they
went up. Provinces snuck in higher taxes and ever higher taxes as do
you want heath care? So 50% of your income ends up in one form or
another to one level of government or another.

30% fed taxes
5% state and local
6% VAT
8% social security

gee. that's almost 50%. and yet you think americans pay no taxes.

I have 10 US tax filing in he folder. I can make a direct comparison.
And I live int he cheapest taxed province in Canada.

You clueless ****s have no clue.

Nope, lifetime and term maximum costs so one person can't go out costing
$30 million sucking the system dry.

you mean like death panels? of course the GOP lied about THOSE...

Nope, just limited liabilty on your sorry ass. Government isn't going
to change that. In fact they will government profit.

Better ask yourself, if you would persoannly pay $1 million to keep me
alive. Then ask why should I pay a million to keep you alive?
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On 07/03/2010 7:56 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:01 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

yep. thinks that all working people are lazy...cant believe we
actually work

Cool. Save your money as Obama is at some point going to have to pass
on the tax bill for this insane debt-bailout spending.

The mesiah has spent, now you must pay.

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On 07/03/2010 4:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:10:34 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living high on the hog maters more than insurance.

yep more typical right wing bull****. i was unemployed for a bit when
lucent technologies went under

but the right wing HATES the middle class. just like canuck just
proved. 10% unemployment? no health insurance?

good....let 'em die. **** em and their lazy children. if they die in
the streets at least the rich can have some entertainment

this is PROOF that we need socialized medicine


Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing. But at least they had the freedom to chose.

oh sure we did. $600/week for unemployment with no health insurance.
and canuck's view?

**** em. the rich will survive


how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

uh huh. and how, precisely. does one do that? the tooth fairy perhaps?
what planet do you live on?


Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees
that didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want
socialized medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

yep. notice how he froths at the mouth at the idea the middle class
should have ANY protections

to him, millions unemployed is fine. dying children? great. suffering,
disease, poverty? fantastic!!

but let's protect the RICH!!!



And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

then why you bitching? if all you need is a pill, what difference does
it make where you get it?

but you notice...he favors substandard care for the middle class
because that's all they deserve. after all, only the rich should get
good healthcare.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.


gee. i was just diagnosed with meniere's disease. why not tell me
about how you're gonna self diagnose that, genius? hell, i'd been to
nursing school and never heard of it.



The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people
want the best and willing to pay for it.

too bad we dont get it. the french have a better healthcare system
than we do, at half the cost

so in your delusional, rush limp ball fairy tale word, what makes a
health system 'better'? more cost? higher death rates? it only serves
the rich?

that what you consider good care?


I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the
problem here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious?
Screw them, these are sins not rights.

yep, the middle class should just die, right. who needs 'em.


But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not
contributing because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did.
Happens all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so
his wife could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not
provide. He was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to
cover.

more **** the middle class


Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate
level of understanding.

ah. so we kill hundreds of thousands of kids that other countries
dont...and your view is **** 'em



Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

we have a choice?

care to prove that? care to prove anything obama's doing will change
that?

I put on some pounds for the case of Cocoa Puffs I bought. Can't get
them here. I always buy Cocoa Puffs I kid you not.

Proof, not going to give you any more than that. You are not sexy
enough. The english cucumber, back behind the milk.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:01 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

yep. thinks that all working people are lazy...cant believe we
actually work


Since Obama and the corrupt Congress has spent much more than Bush even
thought of spending, you are never going to have money. And most of the
rest of us are going to be awfully short. His new budget proposes $1.6
Trillion more in debt. At the rate he and Congress are going by the end of
next year, the cost to service the debt at present very low interest rates
the cost will be $800 Billion bucks a year. And interest rates will
definitely be higher. What are you going to do then? There will be no
money for bailouts, no money for healthcare. The government if it is the
banker for healthcare, will just keep the money and meter out a minimum of
heathcare. What has the stimulus accomplished? Other than keeping overpaid
government workers on the payrole.

Government Health Care Fraud
 

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 07/03/2010 4:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:10:34 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 1:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:21:55 -0700,
wrote:

The reason Obama and democrats want health care is to skim it. Get
the
income flow to the government then dumb down services.


whattsamatter, canuck? tin foil hat slip? if they wanted control of
healthcare they'd have it by now you idiot

For the idiot sheeples that follow big mouth Obama remember, Canadians
too have to pay big time. Williams, a premier with means uses the US
for surgery as his own province and country is clearly inferior. Then
this... the truth...

Government health care sucks!

really? and if you dont even HAVE health care like 47M dont in the
US?

And willing to bet 98% of those 47 million, cars, booze, drugs and
living high on the hog maters more than insurance.

yep more typical right wing bull****. i was unemployed for a bit when
lucent technologies went under

but the right wing HATES the middle class. just like canuck just
proved. 10% unemployment? no health insurance?

good....let 'em die. **** em and their lazy children. if they die in
the streets at least the rich can have some entertainment

this is PROOF that we need socialized medicine


Can't say I felt sorry for them, it is all about priorities and
welshing. But at least they had the freedom to chose.

oh sure we did. $600/week for unemployment with no health insurance.
and canuck's view?

**** em. the rich will survive


how bad does healthcare suck when you have NONE?

Should get insurance if you can't afford the risk.

uh huh. and how, precisely. does one do that? the tooth fairy perhaps?
what planet do you live on?


Now if it is a parapalegic and something more than a drinking or drug
habit, well, the governemtn should pick up for that. But for the
majority, it is about priorities. With a growing number of retirees
that didn't save enough living too high on the hog, now they want
socialized medicine ... LMAO. Just greedy selfish SOBs.

yep. notice how he froths at the mouth at the idea the middle class
should have ANY protections

to him, millions unemployed is fine. dying children? great. suffering,
disease, poverty? fantastic!!

but let's protect the RICH!!!



And try to find a basic family physician
where I live, freaking near impossible.

courtesy of our HMO we had to go 30 miles before we found a doctor
who'd graduated from a US medical school.

At least you found one.

how do you feel about the karachi medical school for women? want your
wife to see a doctor who's graduated from that fine instituion?

Don't know the place. But medicine, many doctors are just licensed drug
pushers anyway. A pill will do ya.

then why you bitching? if all you need is a pill, what difference does
it make where you get it?

but you notice...he favors substandard care for the middle class
because that's all they deserve. after all, only the rich should get
good healthcare.

If you are rational and literate, you can probably diagnose yourself
better with the internet.


gee. i was just diagnosed with meniere's disease. why not tell me
about how you're gonna self diagnose that, genius? hell, i'd been to
nursing school and never heard of it.



The money is better in your pocket spent on a boat employing people
and
not government statism and marxism.

the US has the most expensive healthcare in the world.

guess you forgot about that you paranoid moron.

Not at all. When it comes to life and death, no surprise that people
want the best and willing to pay for it.

too bad we dont get it. the french have a better healthcare system
than we do, at half the cost

so in your delusional, rush limp ball fairy tale word, what makes a
health system 'better'? more cost? higher death rates? it only serves
the rich?

that what you consider good care?


I never understood the liberal bull**** why someone is willing to spend
more on better care should not be allowed to because of big fat in your
face and up your ass government now wants your wallet.

And if some person wants a cadillac plan, why should they not pay a
premium? Americans can afford more and get more. I don't see the
problem here. Just because some loser ****** is jealous? Envious?
Screw them, these are sins not rights.

yep, the middle class should just die, right. who needs 'em.


But I shouldn't have to pay for some able bodied jack as not
contributing because some idiot politician says so. They can shove it.

oh. you're a paranoid right wing moron and didn't know that.

Your statement is your justification of envy and greed? Sure did.
Happens all the time. If my wifes father took a second mortgage out so
his wife could go to Portlan OR for a heart surgery Canada would not
provide. He was lucky, his house was paid for and cash/investments to
cover.

more **** the middle class


Now, with the Mayo Clinic having done what the Alberta Cancer Board
wouldn’t authorize or even explain, but with the tumour unable to be
totally removed, the province will now not fund the expensive drug,
Avastin, that the Mayo prescribed to keep him alive and keep the
remaining tumour from increasing in size — despite the costs of the
drug
being totally funded by the province for other forms of cancer.

oh, yes, american HMO's would NEVER turn down a sick patient's
treatment, right? they ALWAYS pay for treatment..

Didn't say your system was perfect either. That is why the rules of
such maters need to be open, pbli and readable to a grade 12 graduate
level of understanding.

ah. so we kill hundreds of thousands of kids that other countries
dont...and your view is **** 'em



Just that Americans still have a choice. And liberal-statism leftists
hate people having choices.

we have a choice?

care to prove that? care to prove anything obama's doing will change
that?

I put on some pounds for the case of Cocoa Puffs I bought. Can't get them
here. I always buy Cocoa Puffs I kid you not.

I have no doubt. None whatsoever!

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"CalifBill" wrote in message
...

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:01 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

yep. thinks that all working people are lazy...cant believe we
actually work


Since Obama and the corrupt Congress has spent much more than Bush even
thought of spending, you are never going to have money. And most of the
rest of us are going to be awfully short. His new budget proposes $1.6
Trillion more in debt. At the rate he and Congress are going by the end
of next year, the cost to service the debt at present very low interest
rates the cost will be $800 Billion bucks a year. And interest rates will
definitely be higher. What are you going to do then? There will be no
money for bailouts, no money for healthcare. The government if it is the
banker for healthcare, will just keep the money and meter out a minimum of
heathcare. What has the stimulus accomplished? Other than keeping
overpaid government workers on the payrole.

"Interest rates will definitely be higher." You must be an oracle. Duhh...
they're currently at historic lows, so that's not much of a leap in logic.

Obama spent FAR less than Bush. Interesting how you right nuts forget about
the $10T in tax cuts for the rich and the Iraqi war's $6T.

"No money for healthcare." So, a public option or even better a single-payer
system would have 100s of billions. Nope, can't do that, right?

I'm sorry you're struggling. I'm sure the RNC would like your meager
donation, since you're a reactionary and they have a fear-based strategy.

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On 3/7/10 11:35 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2010 7:42 PM, Harry wrote:
On 3/7/10 9:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2010 7:13 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:24 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 5:43 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:04:20 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks


canuck is just another stupid idiot who's overdosed on the right wing
koolaid that masquerades as social policy

Nope. While you were at the union meetings,

there are no unions in the US. if there were, the middle class
wouldn't be as poor as it is.

Hey, let us not forget the $100 billion auto disater of GM & Chrysler.

Mix in mafia like unions with slack assed management and a spineless
board of directors... a couple of decades and US auto is irreperably
damaged.

I will not buy a GM/Chrysler/GMAC/UAW/CAW/Cerberus/Carlyle anything is
the result for me. As I don't like rewarding corruption,
dysfunctionality and entitlement.

If I was president, I would have said you want to save GM? Take out a
loan on your own, each one of you UAW/CAW *******s buy the company. It
would have took about $50K to 100K from each claimed UAW/CAW member and
the debts would have been paid.

I read the Wealthy Barber
and learned investing. While you racked up debt you could not handle,
setting you back I invested in myself and the markets and kept my
debts
down and manageble. While others were waiting for life, I went out and
did lived it. And it isn't over. Liking South America more and more.

blah blah blah...the middle class sucks...the m iddle class should
die...blah blah blah...


Now you selfish *******s who didn't invest in yourselves want a free
lunch. LMAO.

Get back to work, Obama wants your taxes.

sorry. the GOP already cut taxes for the rich and stuck me with the
bill

Yep, I guess then Obama is GOP. He would be a real ass if he let Bush
sign the checks in the last 14+ months now. And all with democratic
congressional approval.

But we all know you like to ignore those facts. Envy, greed, dilusional
crap are best disposed of, and focus the energy on bettering yourself.
To governemtn you are just a 9 digit number and sheeples.



Yawn. You take the cake as the most uninformed right-wing gasbag posting
in rec.boats. You're nothing more than a jobless ex-pat, hiding out in
Canada so you can take advantage of its taxpayers and the Canadian
welfare state. You remind me of Scott Ingersoll, another right-wing
gasbag, except he still lives here, and he, too, lives off the largess
of others.

Not at all, had a better investment opportunity here and could see the
US economy might go to hell. And being on visa's, well, always get out
when the going is good and on your terms. Worked out quite well too.



Oh, yeah...you've got me convinced you're a disgruntled old fart who
games the system up in Canada because he can't make it in the USA.


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On 07/03/2010 10:52 PM, CalifBill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:01 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

yep. thinks that all working people are lazy...cant believe we
actually work


Since Obama and the corrupt Congress has spent much more than Bush even
thought of spending, you are never going to have money. And most of the
rest of us are going to be awfully short. His new budget proposes $1.6
Trillion more in debt. At the rate he and Congress are going by the end of
next year, the cost to service the debt at present very low interest rates
the cost will be $800 Billion bucks a year. And interest rates will
definitely be higher. What are you going to do then? There will be no
money for bailouts, no money for healthcare. The government if it is the
banker for healthcare, will just keep the money and meter out a minimum of
heathcare. What has the stimulus accomplished? Other than keeping overpaid
government workers on the payrole.

And likely less money for Social Security so the pain will be
widespread. And they don't see the rationed health care for governemtn
profit principle.

I am with you on this, but bpuharic and nom-du-plume types are clearly
an issue because they support Obama's madness. I am not sure if it is
selfishness or stupidity or both, but they sure follow the pied piper
like good little sheep.

One thing no Obamanite wants to realize is how much unemployment has
Obama debt-bailout spend cost in jobs?

Lets say I could start a business employing 1000 people. But I know my
wigits in this market have a price inflexability, I can't just pass on a
10% tax or wage hike for Obama debt and make it economically work. So I
play wait and see as if companies are taxed more or I have to lower
wages I get unionized or union issues, I can't afford it. So I play it
safe and do not invest.

Betch Obama doesn't want some independant think tank to look at the last
paragraph, as investing USA is on hold until the economics of Obama-debt
spend is realized. That is, who eats the shafting?
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On 07/03/2010 11:30 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:01 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

yep. thinks that all working people are lazy...cant believe we
actually work


Since Obama and the corrupt Congress has spent much more than Bush even
thought of spending, you are never going to have money. And most of the
rest of us are going to be awfully short. His new budget proposes $1.6
Trillion more in debt. At the rate he and Congress are going by the end
of next year, the cost to service the debt at present very low interest
rates the cost will be $800 Billion bucks a year. And interest rates will
definitely be higher. What are you going to do then? There will be no
money for bailouts, no money for healthcare. The government if it is the
banker for healthcare, will just keep the money and meter out a minimum of
heathcare. What has the stimulus accomplished? Other than keeping
overpaid government workers on the payrole.

"Interest rates will definitely be higher." You must be an oracle. Duhh...
they're currently at historic lows, so that's not much of a leap in logic.

They can't go lower than zero.

Obama spent FAR less than Bush. Interesting how you right nuts forget about
the $10T in tax cuts for the rich and the Iraqi war's $6T.

Not as rate/time. For rate over time, Obama is debt-spending more than
4 times faster. By the end of 2010, 2 years, Obama will have debt spent
about the same as Bush did in 8 years.

"No money for healthcare." So, a public option or even better a single-payer
system would have 100s of billions. Nope, can't do that, right?

Eventually, when you can't pay for something you lose it. Just takes time.

I'm sorry you're struggling. I'm sure the RNC would like your meager
donation, since you're a reactionary and they have a fear-based strategy.

Doesn't mater the reason, now is not a good time to be you.

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On 3/8/10 8:30 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2010 10:52 PM, CalifBill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:01 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

yep. thinks that all working people are lazy...cant believe we
actually work


Since Obama and the corrupt Congress has spent much more than Bush even
thought of spending, you are never going to have money. And most of the
rest of us are going to be awfully short. His new budget proposes $1.6
Trillion more in debt. At the rate he and Congress are going by the
end of
next year, the cost to service the debt at present very low interest
rates
the cost will be $800 Billion bucks a year. And interest rates will
definitely be higher. What are you going to do then? There will be no
money for bailouts, no money for healthcare. The government if it is the
banker for healthcare, will just keep the money and meter out a
minimum of
heathcare. What has the stimulus accomplished? Other than keeping
overpaid
government workers on the payrole.

And likely less money for Social Security so the pain will be
widespread. And they don't see the rationed health care for governemtn
profit principle.

I am with you on this, but bpuharic and nom-du-plume types are clearly
an issue because they support Obama's madness. I am not sure if it is
selfishness or stupidity or both, but they sure follow the pied piper
like good little sheep.

One thing no Obamanite wants to realize is how much unemployment has
Obama debt-bailout spend cost in jobs?

Lets say I could start a business employing 1000 people. But I know my
wigits in this market have a price inflexability, I can't just pass on a
10% tax or wage hike for Obama debt and make it economically work. So I
play wait and see as if companies are taxed more or I have to lower
wages I get unionized or union issues, I can't afford it. So I play it
safe and do not invest.

Betch Obama doesn't want some independant think tank to look at the last
paragraph, as investing USA is on hold until the economics of Obama-debt
spend is realized. That is, who eats the shafting?



You guys are a giggle and a half.

We need more tax revenues. The way to get them is to raise all sorts of
taxes on the wealthiest Americans. What are they going to do...move to
Canada?

Raise income taxes on the wealthy
Uncap the upper limits on employee payroll taxes (not the employer share)
Remove most of the corporate tax loopholes and tax breaks, except those
that result in hiring Americans and buying product and services made in
the USA or provided by Americans
Raise the estate tax for estates over a certain amount
Impose confiscatory taxes on the "bonus" earnings of those fleecing the
public (commercial bankers,brokers,health insurance scammers)

Use most of the funds to pay off the national debt, use some of the
funds to solidify social security and medicare and to extend full
medicare to every American.

Have a nice day.

Government Health Care Fraud
 

On 08/03/2010 6:42 AM, HK wrote:
On 3/8/10 8:30 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/03/2010 10:52 PM, CalifBill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:01 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

yep. thinks that all working people are lazy...cant believe we
actually work


Since Obama and the corrupt Congress has spent much more than Bush even
thought of spending, you are never going to have money. And most of the
rest of us are going to be awfully short. His new budget proposes $1.6
Trillion more in debt. At the rate he and Congress are going by the
end of
next year, the cost to service the debt at present very low interest
rates
the cost will be $800 Billion bucks a year. And interest rates will
definitely be higher. What are you going to do then? There will be no
money for bailouts, no money for healthcare. The government if it is the
banker for healthcare, will just keep the money and meter out a
minimum of
heathcare. What has the stimulus accomplished? Other than keeping
overpaid
government workers on the payrole.

And likely less money for Social Security so the pain will be
widespread. And they don't see the rationed health care for governemtn
profit principle.

I am with you on this, but bpuharic and nom-du-plume types are clearly
an issue because they support Obama's madness. I am not sure if it is
selfishness or stupidity or both, but they sure follow the pied piper
like good little sheep.

One thing no Obamanite wants to realize is how much unemployment has
Obama debt-bailout spend cost in jobs?

Lets say I could start a business employing 1000 people. But I know my
wigits in this market have a price inflexability, I can't just pass on a
10% tax or wage hike for Obama debt and make it economically work. So I
play wait and see as if companies are taxed more or I have to lower
wages I get unionized or union issues, I can't afford it. So I play it
safe and do not invest.

Betch Obama doesn't want some independant think tank to look at the last
paragraph, as investing USA is on hold until the economics of Obama-debt
spend is realized. That is, who eats the shafting?



You guys are a giggle and a half.

We need more tax revenues. The way to get them is to raise all sorts of
taxes on the wealthiest Americans. What are they going to do...move to
Canada?

Nope. Just like a former Prime Minister, move it offshore like Canadian
Steam Ship Lines.

Raise income taxes on the wealthy

Part of the problem is they can't if the wealth are not making any
money. US governemnt revenue from business is reputed to be down 55%.
As businesses with lower or no profits don't pay income taxes. Same for
people, doubtful Waren Buffet is paying taxes with his loss carry forwards.

Uncap the upper limits on employee payroll taxes (not the employer share)
Remove most of the corporate tax loopholes and tax breaks, except those
that result in hiring Americans and buying product and services made in
the USA or provided by Americans
Raise the estate tax for estates over a certain amount
Impose confiscatory taxes on the "bonus" earnings of those fleecing the
public (commercial bankers,brokers,health insurance scammers)

Don't worry, I am sure it is coming. In Canada the top rates were
supposed to be for the "rich". But somehow once esablished it snuck
down right into the middle class.

Use most of the funds to pay off the national debt, use some of the
funds to solidify social security and medicare and to extend full
medicare to every American.

Have a nice day.

You will never live long enough to see the national debt payed off.
Even if you were born yesterday.

--
Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.

Government Health Care Fraud
 

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 07/03/2010 11:30 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:01 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait
10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

yep. thinks that all working people are lazy...cant believe we
actually work


Since Obama and the corrupt Congress has spent much more than Bush even
thought of spending, you are never going to have money. And most of the
rest of us are going to be awfully short. His new budget proposes $1.6
Trillion more in debt. At the rate he and Congress are going by the end
of next year, the cost to service the debt at present very low interest
rates the cost will be $800 Billion bucks a year. And interest rates
will
definitely be higher. What are you going to do then? There will be no
money for bailouts, no money for healthcare. The government if it is
the
banker for healthcare, will just keep the money and meter out a minimum
of
heathcare. What has the stimulus accomplished? Other than keeping
overpaid government workers on the payrole.

"Interest rates will definitely be higher." You must be an oracle.
Duhh...
they're currently at historic lows, so that's not much of a leap in
logic.

They can't go lower than zero.

And your point (if you have one)? Interest rates are not at zero, at least
not for consumers. They will go up. They're at historic lows. And, I forgot,
you have no point.


Obama spent FAR less than Bush. Interesting how you right nuts forget
about
the $10T in tax cuts for the rich and the Iraqi war's $6T.

Not as rate/time. For rate over time, Obama is debt-spending more than 4
times faster. By the end of 2010, 2 years, Obama will have debt spent
about the same as Bush did in 8 years.

What??? Bush bankrupted the economy and you're blaming Obama????


"No money for healthcare." So, a public option or even better a
single-payer
system would have 100s of billions. Nope, can't do that, right?

Eventually, when you can't pay for something you lose it. Just takes
time.

The Oracle speaketh again!


I'm sorry you're struggling. I'm sure the RNC would like your meager
donation, since you're a reactionary and they have a fear-based strategy.

Doesn't mater the reason, now is not a good time to be you.

Really? I'm doing just fine. Obviously you aren't. I'm sorry for you.


--
Nom=de=Plume

Government Health Care Fraud
 

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 07/03/2010 10:52 PM, CalifBill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:44:01 -0700,
wrote:

On 07/03/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:33 -0700,
wrote:

got the same problem here.

. But
lets say you lived here all your life and have one. Then the tummy
hurts, call them up and they can see you in 4 weeks. So you wait 10
hours in emergency to find out you have appencitis.

and if you lose your job in the US? you NEVER get to see a doctor.

more proof that his solution is just to kill the middle class

I doubt you are middle class, just someone who doesn't like their new
station in life as a poor working class. If you work? You work?

yep. thinks that all working people are lazy...cant believe we
actually work


Since Obama and the corrupt Congress has spent much more than Bush even
thought of spending, you are never going to have money. And most of the
rest of us are going to be awfully short. His new budget proposes $1.6
Trillion more in debt. At the rate he and Congress are going by the end
of
next year, the cost to service the debt at present very low interest
rates
the cost will be $800 Billion bucks a year. And interest rates will
definitely be higher. What are you going to do then? There will be no
money for bailouts, no money for healthcare. The government if it is the
banker for healthcare, will just keep the money and meter out a minimum
of
heathcare. What has the stimulus accomplished? Other than keeping
overpaid
government workers on the payrole.

And likely less money for Social Security so the pain will be widespread.
And they don't see the rationed health care for governemtn profit
principle.

I am with you on this, but bpuharic and nom-du-plume types are clearly an
issue because they support Obama's madness. I am not sure if it is
selfishness or stupidity or both, but they sure follow the pied piper like
good little sheep.

One thing no Obamanite wants to realize is how much unemployment has Obama
debt-bailout spend cost in jobs?

Lets say I could start a business employing 1000 people. But I know my
wigits in this market have a price inflexability, I can't just pass on a
10% tax or wage hike for Obama debt and make it economically work. So I
play wait and see as if companies are taxed more or I have to lower wages
I get unionized or union issues, I can't afford it. So I play it safe and
do not invest.

Betch Obama doesn't want some independant think tank to look at the last
paragraph, as investing USA is on hold until the economics of Obama-debt
spend is realized. That is, who eats the shafting?
--
Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.


Yes, you "play it safe." No doubt about that. Except, not being very bright,
playing it safe means you don't get out much.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Government Health Care Fraud
 

On 3/8/10 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:41:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

What??? Bush bankrupted the economy and you're blaming Obama????

The thing that really is going to bankrupt the country is the
entitlements.
That was an 80 year process where nobody was willing to say no and
nobody was willing to actually pay for it. They just passed the cost
on to the next generation. Minor stuff like the 4 or 5 wars were
trivial since they have an end. There is no end to the entitlements
and they will gobble up an ever increasing part of the GDP until we
fix the problem or until the country actually does bankrupt itself.
This medical insurance boondoggle is just more grease for the slippery
slope. To start with, does anyone really think congress will actually
make the Medicare cuts part of the "savings" are based on?
Do you think the insurance companies won't restructure the "Cadillac
plans" enough by 2018 (the current "cut in" data) that they avoid that
tax?
Do you think they will actually raise any of the taxes necessary to
fund this?

If so, you have been living in a cave for the last 40 years.

All the spending is immediate and the funding is years down the road.


There is also no restraint on what insurance companies will charge,
only the mandate that they have to cover more people. They would do
that tomorrow ... if we were willing to pay for it. This bill makes
sure we will. You will see this October when the new policies come
out. The election in November. Any questions about how that will come
out?


What is needed is a complete trashing and restructuring of our health
care payment methodology.

The Swiss have a good model. Basic and decent health care insurance is
mandatory. You have to buy it. If you don't have the ability to pay for
it, you get whatever subsidy is needed to cover its cost. The insurance
is provided by private sector insurance companies. The basic plan is the
same and at the same cost no matter which insurance company you select.
The insurers compete by offering a wide variety of supplemental plans at
market price. There are plenty of insurers competing for the Swiss
health care insurance dollar.

That's just one way to do it. There are others.

What is in the works here now is far from ideal, but it will get
coverage to tens of millions more Americans than have it now. The GOP
counter plan is nothing more than silly.

I don't see where it is in the interest of this country to pour billions
upon billions of dollars of profit into the coffers of health insurance
companies.