On 3/8/10 6:57 AM, Richard Casady wrote:
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:58:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Mar 7, 3:41 pm, John wrote:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:02:46 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Mar 6, 7:15 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:39:48 -0500, John
wrote:

Did you receive such condemnation when you searched for Socialist-
made German screwdrivers to aid the assembly of Communist Chinese
components in your computers ?

Probably. My new Microsoft keyboard, purchased from WalMart, was, in fact, make
in China. I suppose if I'd gone to a union shop the same keyboard would be made
here.

My Logitech keyboard is made in Canada. Maybe not quite the US but at
least North American.
I do think Logitech makes the best keyboards for the price but my wife
has a Cherry that is bulletproof. I did pay close to $100 for it
though. It has survived dropping ... a lot, coffee, soda, water and an
assortment of other assaults.
We don't really have computer desks. We use our machines from our
living room chairs.

I've got a Longitech keyboard ad it's at least 7 yrs old. and says
China on the back of it.

Yeah, but no one's going to call you a cheap ****. Where did you buy that cheap,
made-in-China piece of garbage?

:)
--

"Your honor can never be taken from you. Cherish it, in yourself and in others." (Unknown)

John H

Where else? The pawn shop. And it came with the rest of the computer!

I bought two IBM model 45 'clicky' keyboards at Goodwill for ten bucks
the pair. Nothing else has ever come close. Check Ebay, last time I
looked there were a number for about 20 bucks.

Casady


IBM used to make some of the better PC keyboards. I recall the Model M
as being pretty good. They're still made or were still made by a company
called Unicomp:

http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net//cus101usenon.html

There are a couple of other suppliers still making quality keyboards. My
favorites were the heavy ones, with metal frames and mechanical key
switches. The weight made it feel as if you were typing on a Selectric
typewriter. Those Selectrics were in my opinion the best office
typewriters ever made.

In article ,
says...

Before I did boats I did custom furniture and particularly counters and tables.
I worked with Red Oak, and Maple exclusively. Used to buy my chairs up in
Vermont. I have some huge clamping tables and a glue wheel for making butcher
block type tops. Like you, I really love working with red oak.

Scotty

Our living room kitchen and dining room is dominated by red oak. The
cypress is starting in the new room we built. I did get a great deal
on a bunch of it ($75 for 450 lf of 1x6) so it is my new favorite wood
;-)

My dad used to talk about using cypress in the Nursery's he worked in down on
LA after the war. He said it was light, and would not rot so they used it for
flower boxes and such.

Scotty

--
Rowdy Mouse Racing, no crybabies!

On Mar 8, 11:19*am, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010 04:41:32 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

$25.00 for a win 98 machine including mouse and keyboard,

GearSX.com was dumping Compaq/HP P4 XP Pro machines with the license
for $40-60 bucks a month or so ago. I bought 2.
The XP sticker is worth $100.

hmmm, might have to keep my eyes open for an upgrade...


Thanks for the heads up.

wrote:
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:46:12 -0500, wrote:


I have two American-built cars so I agree with you.

What kind of car is that? They are all assembled from offshore parts
even if they are "made" here.

That's exactly why I chose the word "built" instead of "made". Some
Toyotas seem to have more US parts that some Fords. There was a website
that compared them but I can't find it at the moment.

Larry

mgg wrote:
My Logitech kb clearly says, "Made in China." Let's face it, they have
to. If it were made in the US, a $50 keyboard would cost $125. Gotta
love them unions.

--Mike

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:02:46 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

My Logitech keyboard is made in Canada. Maybe not quite the US but at
least North American.
I do think Logitech makes the best keyboards for the price but my wife
has a Cherry that is bulletproof. I did pay close to $100 for it
though. It has survived dropping ... a lot, coffee, soda, water and an
assortment of other assaults.
We don't really have computer desks. We use our machines from our
living room chairs.

I've got a Longitech keyboard ad it's at least 7 yrs old. and says
China on the back of it.


Actually I looked again and you are right (tiny print). I am guessing
the big "Canada" has to do with type acceptance

While unions are certainly responsible for some of that added cost, the
Chinese government has lower EPA standards, government subsidies, and
usually lower raw material costs.

On 3/8/10 7:34 PM, Larry wrote:
mgg wrote:
My Logitech kb clearly says, "Made in China." Let's face it, they have
to. If it were made in the US, a $50 keyboard would cost $125. Gotta
love them unions.

--Mike

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:02:46 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

My Logitech keyboard is made in Canada. Maybe not quite the US but at
least North American.
I do think Logitech makes the best keyboards for the price but my wife
has a Cherry that is bulletproof. I did pay close to $100 for it
though. It has survived dropping ... a lot, coffee, soda, water and an
assortment of other assaults.
We don't really have computer desks. We use our machines from our
living room chairs.

I've got a Longitech keyboard ad it's at least 7 yrs old. and says
China on the back of it.


Actually I looked again and you are right (tiny print). I am guessing
the big "Canada" has to do with type acceptance

While unions are certainly responsible for some of that added cost, the
Chinese government has lower EPA standards, government subsidies, and
usually lower raw material costs.


For factory workers, China is just a little bit better than a slave
labor state. Chinese assembly line workers make next to nothing. The
country has very vew standards about anything. What the right-wing here
wants is a country full of workers who are willing to toil for very low
wages and no or practically no benefits.

Why pay an American factory worker minimum wage, when you can buy
hundreds of Chinese workers through a labor contractor for $2.00 a day?

John H wrote:
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:05:30 -0500, wrote:


On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:46:12 -0500, wrote:


I have two American-built cars so I agree with you.

What kind of car is that? They are all assembled from offshore parts
even if they are "made" here.

Probably Toyotas, or BMWs, or Hondas, or Hyundais, or Mercedes-Benz.

A Ford towing vehicle and a Chevy sports car. Both with XX% parts from
outside the US.

"HK" wrote in message
...


For factory workers, China is just a little bit better than a slave labor
state. Chinese assembly line workers make next to nothing. The country has
very vew standards about anything. What the right-wing here wants is a
country full of workers who are willing to toil for very low wages and no
or practically no benefits.

Why pay an American factory worker minimum wage, when you can buy hundreds
of Chinese workers through a labor contractor for $2.00 a day?



Absolutely correct. But where does the problem lie? The management of the
American business realizes that his company will quickly go under if he
keeps manufacturing here in the States, requiring a much higher retail price
for his products.

The problem is the consumer. They want cheap prices. We live in a use and
throw-away world.
Quality, long lasting products have taken a back seat to cheap and cheaply
replaceable.

Expensive, big ticket items like John Deere tractors or Caterpillar
construction machines do well.
Replacement keyboards for computers, TV sets, microwaves and sneakers don't
do so well.

Eisboch

HK wrote:
On 3/8/10 7:34 PM, Larry wrote:
mgg wrote:
My Logitech kb clearly says, "Made in China." Let's face it, they have
to. If it were made in the US, a $50 keyboard would cost $125. Gotta
love them unions.

--Mike

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:02:46 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

My Logitech keyboard is made in Canada. Maybe not quite the US
but at
least North American.
I do think Logitech makes the best keyboards for the price but my
wife
has a Cherry that is bulletproof. I did pay close to $100 for it
though. It has survived dropping ... a lot, coffee, soda, water
and an
assortment of other assaults.
We don't really have computer desks. We use our machines from our
living room chairs.

I've got a Longitech keyboard ad it's at least 7 yrs old. and says
China on the back of it.


Actually I looked again and you are right (tiny print). I am guessing
the big "Canada" has to do with type acceptance

While unions are certainly responsible for some of that added cost, the
Chinese government has lower EPA standards, government subsidies, and
usually lower raw material costs.


For factory workers, China is just a little bit better than a slave
labor state. Chinese assembly line workers make next to nothing. The
country has very vew standards about anything. What the right-wing
here wants is a country full of workers who are willing to toil for
very low wages and no or practically no benefits.

Why pay an American factory worker minimum wage, when you can buy
hundreds of Chinese workers through a labor contractor for $2.00 a day?


Maybe that $2 per day is a living wage in China. It was a fortune here
many years ago. I pay more in property taxes than my parents paid for
their first house and they took out a mortgage.

On Mar 8, 11:05*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...



For factory workers, China is just a little bit better than a slave labor
state. Chinese assembly line workers make next to nothing. The country has
very vew standards about anything. What the right-wing here wants is a
country full of workers who are willing to toil for very low wages and no
or practically no benefits.

Why pay an American factory worker minimum wage, when you can buy hundreds
of Chinese workers through a labor contractor for $2.00 a day?

Absolutely correct. *But where does the problem lie? *The management of the
American business realizes that his company will quickly go under if he
keeps manufacturing here in the States, requiring a much higher retail price
for his products.

The problem is the consumer. * They want cheap prices. *We live in a use and
throw-away world.
Quality, long lasting products have taken a back seat to cheap and cheaply
replaceable.

Expensive, big ticket items like John Deere tractors or Caterpillar
construction machines do well.
Replacement keyboards for computers, TV sets, microwaves and sneakers don't
do so well.

Eisboch

Richard. John Deere and Cat do a tremendous amount of outsourcing too.
I don't think you can buy an American made 100 hp John Deere anymore,
and almost all your track-hoe's regardless of flavor are made overseas
now.