On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:00:53 -0700, Canuck57
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Asside from the fact that most government workers are highly
inefficient, they produce zero value added output. Zero. Nada, zip,
zilch...OK, a pile of bull**** and hot air.

paranoid hatred of the govt is delusional

who are you talking about? brave and heroic US and Canadian troops who
are dying to protect freedom?

the FBI and RCMP who, for all their failings, protect their respective
countries?

the NIH researchers who've discovered cures for diseases, new drugs,
etc?


who'd you have in mind?


Government is a net consumer of wealth, it does not produce value added
products. It redistributes wealth, you bet. But adds no wealth to its
creations. And it's inefficiency is a wealth consumption.

fine. then go to an island where there's no govt. you're paranoid my
friend. govt is necessary

and how do you measure inefficiency when capitalism itself just
dropped the US economy by hundreds of billions in the last year? was
that efficient?


This is economics 101, obviously none of you arm chair idiots got an
education.

Pick up a good book.

you're a walking pustule of cliches

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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:05:30 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:00:53 -0700, Canuck57
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l

who are you talking about? brave and heroic US and Canadian troops who
are dying to protect freedom?

In no way disrespectful of the fighting men, do you think we are more
"free" than we were in 1991 when we started our middle eastern
crusade? It is clear the terrorists have won.

the NIH researchers who've discovered cures for diseases, new drugs,
etc?

Private companies do a lot more than NIH. I only have to point to the
human genome project where a private company cracked the code in
months and NIH dunced around for years on it.



and how do you measure inefficiency when capitalism itself just
dropped the US economy by hundreds of billions in the last year? was
that efficient?

Yes, the economy was an illusion and we were going to lose a couple
trillion no matter what because it simply did not exist. It was phony
profit that we traded like real money. In that sense the market is
self correcting. If anything, things like TARP are only prolonging the
misery because we still have not paid the bill. We basically just paid
off our Amex bill by charging it on the Visa.
Much like a Visa card, we don't even know what our interest rate will
be, a year down the road.
This crisis is far from being over. It is simply hidden in the debt we
keep ignoring. 10 years from now the republic could be in worse shape
than the Soviets.

Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down. Yes
the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance, and those who
bought $500k homes with a $50k income were never going to be able to pay for
the house. They got to live in a nice house for a few years, and when they
stopped paying the mortgage, they lived in the house for another 6 months or
so rent free. Net, they probably paid less than rent with the 1% for the
first two years home loan. But overall the pain has not hit. Has been
hidden by the massive borrowing and printing of money by the Fed. What
happens in a year of two, when people figure out there is no beef in the US
dollar?

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:




Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down. Yes
the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance,

actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their
health insurance which they don't have?

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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:




Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down.
Yes
the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance,

actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their
health insurance which they don't have?


The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they
have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills.

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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:




Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down.
Yes
the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance,

actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their
health insurance which they don't have?


The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they
have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills.

No one "loves" the stim, but it helped. Your claim is ridiculous on the face
of it. I guess you're unaware of how ERs work. They treat you with or
without insurance. If you don't have it, the taxpayer pays. That's the most
expensive way to treat people.

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nom=de=plume wrote:
"CalifBill" wrote in message
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down.
Yes
the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance,
actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their
health insurance which they don't have?

The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they
have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills.

No one "loves" the stim, but it helped. Your claim is ridiculous on the face
of it. I guess you're unaware of how ERs work. They treat you with or
without insurance. If you don't have it, the taxpayer pays. That's the most
expensive way to treat people.

Stabilize and ship out. That's all a for profit hospital is required to do.

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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:18:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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"CalifBill" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:




Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down.
Yes
the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance,

actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their
health insurance which they don't have?


The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they
have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills.

No one "loves" the stim, but it helped. Your claim is ridiculous on the
face
of it. I guess you're unaware of how ERs work. They treat you with or
without insurance. If you don't have it, the taxpayer pays. That's the
most
expensive way to treat people.


The thing that bothers me is they still have not addressed that.
If the government really wanted to cut health care costs they would be
setting up low cost store front clinics staffed by paramedics and
medical techs to handle minor injuries and ailments. A lot of drugs
should be able to be dispensed by pharmacists without prescription.
They are doing nothing to actually cut the cost of care with any bill
I have seen. They all seem to just be subsidizing billionaire medical
conglomerates and insurance companies with tax payer money.


That's one thing that could be done, but the bigger problem is prevention,
e.g., heart attacks and other life-threatening, but preventable conditions.
We need a coverage for all people that include preventative care.

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On 24/02/2010 9:40 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:18:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:




Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down.
Yes
the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance,

actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their
health insurance which they don't have?


The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they
have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills.

No one "loves" the stim, but it helped. Your claim is ridiculous on the face
of it. I guess you're unaware of how ERs work. They treat you with or
without insurance. If you don't have it, the taxpayer pays. That's the most
expensive way to treat people.


The thing that bothers me is they still have not addressed that.
If the government really wanted to cut health care costs they would be
setting up low cost store front clinics staffed by paramedics and
medical techs to handle minor injuries and ailments. A lot of drugs
should be able to be dispensed by pharmacists without prescription.
They are doing nothing to actually cut the cost of care with any bill
I have seen. They all seem to just be subsidizing billionaire medical
conglomerates and insurance companies with tax payer money.

Now you see why government wants in, all that money....

Control the costs by lowering the services and then funnel the rest to
more corruption spending. And the best part, with government you don't
have the option of changing. Assures the government a hefty new stream
of income.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:01:49 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:




Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down.
Yes
the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance,

actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their
health insurance which they don't have?


The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they
have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills.


that's true about the assets. if they have a house they've worked for,
however, the rich will ensure it will be taken from them

as to he stimulus...even that can't undo the damage bush did

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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:05:30 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:00:53 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:



l

who are you talking about? brave and heroic US and Canadian troops who
are dying to protect freedom?

In no way disrespectful of the fighting men, do you think we are more
"free" than we were in 1991 when we started our middle eastern
crusade? It is clear the terrorists have won.

the NIH researchers who've discovered cures for diseases, new drugs,
etc?

Private companies do a lot more than NIH. I only have to point to the
human genome project where a private company cracked the code in
months and NIH dunced around for years on it.

No they don't. The NIH is not tasked with things in so narrow of a focus. Go
to their website and read their mission statement.



and how do you measure inefficiency when capitalism itself just
dropped the US economy by hundreds of billions in the last year? was
that efficient?

Yes, the economy was an illusion and we were going to lose a couple
trillion no matter what because it simply did not exist. It was phony
profit that we traded like real money. In that sense the market is
self correcting. If anything, things like TARP are only prolonging the
misery because we still have not paid the bill. We basically just paid
off our Amex bill by charging it on the Visa.

Without required regulation, I agree! These big institutions need to be
regulated so they can't imperil the entire economy.

Much like a Visa card, we don't even know what our interest rate will
be, a year down the road.

You do now. That regulation just went into effect.

This crisis is far from being over. It is simply hidden in the debt we
keep ignoring. 10 years from now the republic could be in worse shape
than the Soviets.

Come on... another doomsday scenario. Complete bs. We're certainly aware of
the problem and it's starting to be addressed.

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