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obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:00:53 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: Asside from the fact that most government workers are highly inefficient, they produce zero value added output. Zero. Nada, zip, zilch...OK, a pile of bull**** and hot air. paranoid hatred of the govt is delusional who are you talking about? brave and heroic US and Canadian troops who are dying to protect freedom? the FBI and RCMP who, for all their failings, protect their respective countries? the NIH researchers who've discovered cures for diseases, new drugs, etc? who'd you have in mind? Government is a net consumer of wealth, it does not produce value added products. It redistributes wealth, you bet. But adds no wealth to its creations. And it's inefficiency is a wealth consumption. fine. then go to an island where there's no govt. you're paranoid my friend. govt is necessary and how do you measure inefficiency when capitalism itself just dropped the US economy by hundreds of billions in the last year? was that efficient? This is economics 101, obviously none of you arm chair idiots got an education. Pick up a good book. you're a walking pustule of cliches |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:05:30 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:00:53 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: l who are you talking about? brave and heroic US and Canadian troops who are dying to protect freedom? In no way disrespectful of the fighting men, do you think we are more "free" than we were in 1991 when we started our middle eastern crusade? It is clear the terrorists have won. the NIH researchers who've discovered cures for diseases, new drugs, etc? Private companies do a lot more than NIH. I only have to point to the human genome project where a private company cracked the code in months and NIH dunced around for years on it. and how do you measure inefficiency when capitalism itself just dropped the US economy by hundreds of billions in the last year? was that efficient? Yes, the economy was an illusion and we were going to lose a couple trillion no matter what because it simply did not exist. It was phony profit that we traded like real money. In that sense the market is self correcting. If anything, things like TARP are only prolonging the misery because we still have not paid the bill. We basically just paid off our Amex bill by charging it on the Visa. Much like a Visa card, we don't even know what our interest rate will be, a year down the road. This crisis is far from being over. It is simply hidden in the debt we keep ignoring. 10 years from now the republic could be in worse shape than the Soviets. Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down. Yes the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance, and those who bought $500k homes with a $50k income were never going to be able to pay for the house. They got to live in a nice house for a few years, and when they stopped paying the mortgage, they lived in the house for another 6 months or so rent free. Net, they probably paid less than rent with the 1% for the first two years home loan. But overall the pain has not hit. Has been hidden by the massive borrowing and printing of money by the Fed. What happens in a year of two, when people figure out there is no beef in the US dollar? |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
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... On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:05:30 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:00:53 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: l who are you talking about? brave and heroic US and Canadian troops who are dying to protect freedom? In no way disrespectful of the fighting men, do you think we are more "free" than we were in 1991 when we started our middle eastern crusade? It is clear the terrorists have won. the NIH researchers who've discovered cures for diseases, new drugs, etc? Private companies do a lot more than NIH. I only have to point to the human genome project where a private company cracked the code in months and NIH dunced around for years on it. No they don't. The NIH is not tasked with things in so narrow of a focus. Go to their website and read their mission statement. and how do you measure inefficiency when capitalism itself just dropped the US economy by hundreds of billions in the last year? was that efficient? Yes, the economy was an illusion and we were going to lose a couple trillion no matter what because it simply did not exist. It was phony profit that we traded like real money. In that sense the market is self correcting. If anything, things like TARP are only prolonging the misery because we still have not paid the bill. We basically just paid off our Amex bill by charging it on the Visa. Without required regulation, I agree! These big institutions need to be regulated so they can't imperil the entire economy. Much like a Visa card, we don't even know what our interest rate will be, a year down the road. You do now. That regulation just went into effect. This crisis is far from being over. It is simply hidden in the debt we keep ignoring. 10 years from now the republic could be in worse shape than the Soviets. Come on... another doomsday scenario. Complete bs. We're certainly aware of the problem and it's starting to be addressed. -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
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obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote: Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down. Yes the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance, actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their health insurance which they don't have? |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:46:42 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/02/2010 10:01 AM, wrote: http://tinyurl.com/ycwcnfm The Obamanation at work. Looks like every president before him did a better job when recessions hit. But Obama is still talking and debt spending. since there never has been a recession like this since 29, and that one led to 25% unemployment we can see his view that tens of millions of people walking the street is fine as long as the rich do OK |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
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obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
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obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
On 23/02/2010 7:07 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:46:42 -0700, wrote: On 23/02/2010 10:01 AM, wrote: http://tinyurl.com/ycwcnfm The Obamanation at work. Looks like every president before him did a better job when recessions hit. But Obama is still talking and debt spending. since there never has been a recession like this since 29, and that one led to 25% unemployment we can see his view that tens of millions of people walking the street is fine as long as the rich do OK In real no BS unadjusted terms, raw unemployment will go past 25 this year. I figure in October/November. Because Obamanomics is about screwing producers and rewarding the corrupt. It is a 100% dismal failure from a big mouth buffoon. And as other debtor governments are now doing, they are pulling in the spending horns real fast as they know the bottom is yet to come. Governemtns are offering bond, they go unfilled. Yep, governmetns are now becoming worried as the big debt ponzi scheme didn't work. Did you know as of Sept 2008 when it looked like Obama was going to win, the US government hasn't been able to borrow the money it needs from the markets? It is wholely created new money... inflationary money. |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
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... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:11:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Private companies do a lot more than NIH. I only have to point to the human genome project where a private company cracked the code in months and NIH dunced around for years on it. No they don't. The NIH is not tasked with things in so narrow of a focus. Go to their website and read their mission statement. I worked at NIH for several years (IBM). I know the culture But, the NIH doesn't have as it's mission to make a profit. "The National Institutes of Health (NIH), a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, is the primary Federal agency for conducting and supporting medical research. Helping to lead the way toward important medical discoveries that improve people's health and save lives, NIH scientists investigate ways to prevent disease as well as the causes, treatments, and even cures for common and rare diseases. Composed of 27 Institutes and Centers, the NIH provides leadership and financial support to researchers in every state and throughout the world." There are several here, perhaps you included, who would rather have it be either a profit center or be for profit. I think I'll stick with them the way they are, all faults included. -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
... wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:11:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Private companies do a lot more than NIH. I only have to point to the human genome project where a private company cracked the code in months and NIH dunced around for years on it. No they don't. The NIH is not tasked with things in so narrow of a focus. Go to their website and read their mission statement. I worked at NIH for several years (IBM). I know the culture But that dumb ass bitch read the mission statement. Doesn't that count for anything? Drop dead you little coward (metaphorically of course). You're not man enough even to post under your real name, unlike him. -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
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... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:11:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Much like a Visa card, we don't even know what our interest rate will be, a year down the road. You do now. That regulation just went into effect. They were saying on CNBC yesterday that the banks have already found several loopholes in that law. Who knows what the "next" law will say. Right you are... they have tons of lawyers for just that purpose. This crisis is far from being over. It is simply hidden in the debt we keep ignoring. 10 years from now the republic could be in worse shape than the Soviets. Come on... another doomsday scenario. Complete bs. We're certainly aware of the problem and it's starting to be addressed. I haven't seen that plan yet. I just see escalating deficits as far as the eye can see.. Well, TARP is being paid back, healthcare cost reform is being discussed, job losses are slowing... it takes time. -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
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... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:43:50 -0500, bpuharic wrote: who are you talking about? brave and heroic US and Canadian troops who are dying to protect freedom? In no way disrespectful of the fighting men, do you think we are more "free" than we were in 1991 when we started our middle eastern crusade? It is clear the terrorists have won. really? gee. the last time a terrorist attack happened in the US by islamists was 2001. Detroit? But that is not the point. I addressed "freedom". Do you really think there have been no intrusions on your freedom, in the name of security, since 1991? The terrorists don't even have to be successful to cause us billions of dollars in damage and huge intrusions into our lives. Wow... I actually agree with you! :) I think we need to stop being terrified, and get on with life. -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 23/02/2010 7:07 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:46:42 -0700, wrote: On 23/02/2010 10:01 AM, wrote: http://tinyurl.com/ycwcnfm The Obamanation at work. Looks like every president before him did a better job when recessions hit. But Obama is still talking and debt spending. since there never has been a recession like this since 29, and that one led to 25% unemployment we can see his view that tens of millions of people walking the street is fine as long as the rich do OK In real no BS unadjusted terms, raw unemployment will go past 25 this year. I figure in October/November. Because Obamanomics is about screwing producers and rewarding the corrupt. It is a 100% dismal failure from a big mouth buffoon. And as other debtor governments are now doing, they are pulling in the spending horns real fast as they know the bottom is yet to come. Governemtns are offering bond, they go unfilled. Yep, governmetns are now becoming worried as the big debt ponzi scheme didn't work. Did you know as of Sept 2008 when it looked like Obama was going to win, the US government hasn't been able to borrow the money it needs from the markets? It is wholely created new money... inflationary money. Except, dufus, inflation hasn't been a problem. It's under control. So, basically, you don't know what the frack you're talking about. -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
On Feb 23, 11:37*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
Drop dead you little coward (metaphorically of course). You're not man enough even to post under your real name, unlike him. -- Nom=de=Plume And just what in the heavens is a "Nom=de=Plume?" When you were younger were you called 'Nommie?" |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down. Yes the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance, actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their health insurance which they don't have? The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills. |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
"CalifBill" wrote in message
... "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down. Yes the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance, actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their health insurance which they don't have? The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills. No one "loves" the stim, but it helped. Your claim is ridiculous on the face of it. I guess you're unaware of how ERs work. They treat you with or without insurance. If you don't have it, the taxpayer pays. That's the most expensive way to treat people. -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
"TopBassDog" wrote in message
... On Feb 23, 11:37 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Drop dead you little coward (metaphorically of course). You're not man enough even to post under your real name, unlike him. -- Nom=de=Plume And just what in the heavens is a "Nom=de=Plume?" When you were younger were you called 'Nommie?" I'm a woman and I don't need stalkers such as yourself. Were you ever mistaken for a man? If so, by whom? -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
nom=de=plume wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 11:37 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Drop dead you little coward (metaphorically of course). You're not man enough even to post under your real name, unlike him. -- Nom=de=Plume And just what in the heavens is a "Nom=de=Plume?" When you were younger were you called 'Nommie?" I'm a woman and I don't need stalkers. There you go with those wild , exaggerated, if not false claims again. For all we know, you could be Pee Wee Herman. The only thing you have said about yourself that is even somewhat believable is that you drive a really old rusted out F150. |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
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obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:01:49 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down. Yes the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance, actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their health insurance which they don't have? The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills. that's true about the assets. if they have a house they've worked for, however, the rich will ensure it will be taken from them as to he stimulus...even that can't undo the damage bush did |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:43:50 -0500, bpuharic wrote: who are you talking about? brave and heroic US and Canadian troops who are dying to protect freedom? In no way disrespectful of the fighting men, do you think we are more "free" than we were in 1991 when we started our middle eastern crusade? It is clear the terrorists have won. really? gee. the last time a terrorist attack happened in the US by islamists was 2001. Detroit? But that is not the point. I addressed "freedom". Do you really think there have been no intrusions on your freedom, in the name of security, since 1991? The terrorists don't even have to be successful to cause us billions of dollars in damage and huge intrusions into our lives. Wow... I actually agree with you! :) I think we need to stop being terrified, and get on with life. You go girl. |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
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obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:25:18 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: On 23/02/2010 7:07 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:46:42 -0700, wrote: we can see his view that tens of millions of people walking the street is fine as long as the rich do OK In real no BS unadjusted terms, raw unemployment will go past 25 this year. I figure in October/November. thanks to bush's deficit. and no one knows what 'raw employment' is...seems like another right wing definiition Because Obamanomics is about screwing producers and rewarding the corrupt. It is a 100% dismal failure from a big mouth buffoon. except it stopped the rise in unemployment...and you just refuse to look at the numbers And as other debtor governments are now doing, they are pulling in the spending horns real fast as they know the bottom is yet to come. Governemtns are offering bond, they go unfilled. Yep, governmetns are now becoming worried as the big debt ponzi scheme didn't work. Did you know as of Sept 2008 when it looked like Obama was going to win, the US government hasn't been able to borrow the money it needs from the markets? It is wholely created new money... inflationary money. what do you think the debt would be if unemployment hit 25%? |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:11:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Private companies do a lot more than NIH. I only have to point to the human genome project where a private company cracked the code in months and NIH dunced around for years on it. No they don't. The NIH is not tasked with things in so narrow of a focus. Go to their website and read their mission statement. I worked at NIH for several years (IBM). I know the culture But, the NIH doesn't have as it's mission to make a profit. "The National Institutes of Health (NIH), a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, is the primary Federal agency for conducting and supporting medical research. Helping to lead the way toward important medical discoveries that improve people's health and save lives, NIH scientists investigate ways to prevent disease as well as the causes, treatments, and even cures for common and rare diseases. Composed of 27 Institutes and Centers, the NIH provides leadership and financial support to researchers in every state and throughout the world." There are several here, perhaps you included, who would rather have it be either a profit center or be for profit. I think I'll stick with them the way they are, all faults included. Greed motivates. Accepting handouts (financial support), in no way motivates people to complete projects or accomplish anything. You seem to be stuck on stupid. |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
nom=de=plume wrote:
"CalifBill" wrote in message ... "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down. Yes the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance, actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their health insurance which they don't have? The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills. No one "loves" the stim, but it helped. Your claim is ridiculous on the face of it. I guess you're unaware of how ERs work. They treat you with or without insurance. If you don't have it, the taxpayer pays. That's the most expensive way to treat people. Stabilize and ship out. That's all a for profit hospital is required to do. |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
anon-e-moose wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:11:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Private companies do a lot more than NIH. I only have to point to the human genome project where a private company cracked the code in months and NIH dunced around for years on it. No they don't. The NIH is not tasked with things in so narrow of a focus. Go to their website and read their mission statement. I worked at NIH for several years (IBM). I know the culture But that dumb ass bitch read the mission statement. Doesn't that count for anything? Ignore that **** for now, Jim. She's getting the best of us. Back off until another thread starts and we'll try again. **** around with slammer for a while. I don't see the calculator instructions you said you'd send me in my email. Did you send that? And send me the real stimulus numbers I should use. That asshole spoofing you said my numbers are off. |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
On Feb 24, 12:19*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 11:37 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Drop dead you little coward (metaphorically of course). You're not man enough even to post under your real name, unlike him. -- Nom=de=Plume And just what in the heavens is a "Nom=de=Plume?" When you were younger were you called 'Nommie?" I'm a woman and I don't need stalkers such as yourself. Were you ever mistaken for a man? If so, by whom? -- Nom=de=Plume Actually you DO need stalkers, D'Plume. I'm sure it boosts your ego, or at least, gives you some type of satisfaction to know that someone is actually paying attention to you. D'Plume, were you ever mistaken for Rosie O'Donnell? I'm sure you could be rather easily. |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
On Feb 24, 5:07*am, anon-e-moose wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 11:37 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Drop dead you little coward (metaphorically of course). You're not man enough even to post under your real name, unlike him. -- Nom=de=Plume And just what in the heavens is a "Nom=de=Plume?" When you were younger were you called 'Nommie?" I'm a woman and I don't need stalkers. There you go with those wild , exaggerated, if not false claims again. For all we know, you could be Pee Wee Herman. The only thing you have said about yourself that is even somewhat believable is that you drive a really old rusted out F150. Hmm. "A tuff 'ol gal totin' a shotgun and drivin' an 'ol pick up ter-r- ruk. Now that sounds like the makin's of a country western sawng t'me." |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "CalifBill" wrote in message ... "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down. Yes the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance, actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their health insurance which they don't have? The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills. No one "loves" the stim, but it helped. Your claim is ridiculous on the face of it. I guess you're unaware of how ERs work. They treat you with or without insurance. If you don't have it, the taxpayer pays. That's the most expensive way to treat people. Stabilize and ship out. That's all a for profit hospital is required to do. And you think that's going to solve the healthcare problem... dumping people on the street after they're "stable." -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
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... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:18:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "CalifBill" wrote in message ... "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down. Yes the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance, actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their health insurance which they don't have? The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills. No one "loves" the stim, but it helped. Your claim is ridiculous on the face of it. I guess you're unaware of how ERs work. They treat you with or without insurance. If you don't have it, the taxpayer pays. That's the most expensive way to treat people. The thing that bothers me is they still have not addressed that. If the government really wanted to cut health care costs they would be setting up low cost store front clinics staffed by paramedics and medical techs to handle minor injuries and ailments. A lot of drugs should be able to be dispensed by pharmacists without prescription. They are doing nothing to actually cut the cost of care with any bill I have seen. They all seem to just be subsidizing billionaire medical conglomerates and insurance companies with tax payer money. That's one thing that could be done, but the bigger problem is prevention, e.g., heart attacks and other life-threatening, but preventable conditions. We need a coverage for all people that include preventative care. -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Feb 23, 11:37 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Drop dead you little coward (metaphorically of course). You're not man enough even to post under your real name, unlike him. -- Nom=de=Plume And just what in the heavens is a "Nom=de=Plume?" When you were younger were you called 'Nommie?" I'm a woman and I don't need stalkers. There you go with those wild , exaggerated, if not false claims again. For all we know, you could be Pee Wee Herman. The only thing you have said about yourself that is even somewhat believable is that you drive a really old rusted out F150. Fortunately, I don't give a rat's behind what you think. And, it's an F-100, which I don't really drive all that much. -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
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... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:49:30 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog wrote: And just what in the heavens is a "Nom=de=Plume?" French for "pen name" I really wish you hadn't told him.... you can't trust anyone on usenet :) -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
"JTEM" wrote in message
... anon-e-moose wrote: wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:11:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Private companies do a lot more than NIH. I only have to point to the human genome project where a private company cracked the code in months and NIH dunced around for years on it. No they don't. The NIH is not tasked with things in so narrow of a focus. Go to their website and read their mission statement. I worked at NIH for several years (IBM). I know the culture But that dumb ass bitch read the mission statement. Doesn't that count for anything? Ignore that **** for now, Jim. She's getting the best of us. Back off until another thread starts and we'll try again. **** around with slammer for a while. I don't see the calculator instructions you said you'd send me in my email. Did you send that? And send me the real stimulus numbers I should use. That asshole spoofing you said my numbers are off. "getting the best of us" ??? that ship sailed. -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:11:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Private companies do a lot more than NIH. I only have to point to the human genome project where a private company cracked the code in months and NIH dunced around for years on it. No they don't. The NIH is not tasked with things in so narrow of a focus. Go to their website and read their mission statement. I worked at NIH for several years (IBM). I know the culture But, the NIH doesn't have as it's mission to make a profit. "The National Institutes of Health (NIH), a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, is the primary Federal agency for conducting and supporting medical research. Helping to lead the way toward important medical discoveries that improve people's health and save lives, NIH scientists investigate ways to prevent disease as well as the causes, treatments, and even cures for common and rare diseases. Composed of 27 Institutes and Centers, the NIH provides leadership and financial support to researchers in every state and throughout the world." There are several here, perhaps you included, who would rather have it be either a profit center or be for profit. I think I'll stick with them the way they are, all faults included. Greed motivates. Accepting handouts (financial support), in no way motivates people to complete projects or accomplish anything. You seem to be stuck on stupid. Greed is not good when it comes to public health! -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
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... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:36:30 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:11:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Private companies do a lot more than NIH. I only have to point to the human genome project where a private company cracked the code in months and NIH dunced around for years on it. No they don't. The NIH is not tasked with things in so narrow of a focus. Go to their website and read their mission statement. I worked at NIH for several years (IBM). I know the culture But, the NIH doesn't have as it's mission to make a profit. "The National Institutes of Health (NIH), a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, is the primary Federal agency for conducting and supporting medical research. Helping to lead the way toward important medical discoveries that improve people's health and save lives, NIH scientists investigate ways to prevent disease as well as the causes, treatments, and even cures for common and rare diseases. Composed of 27 Institutes and Centers, the NIH provides leadership and financial support to researchers in every state and throughout the world." There are several here, perhaps you included, who would rather have it be either a profit center or be for profit. I think I'll stick with them the way they are, all faults included. OK so you got the Wikipedia spin. The real answer is the NIH is a conduit for federal grants. Most of what they do is to distribute money around to anyone who can write a decent grant request. Unfortunately that is not the most efficient way to actually do research. People who write grant requests keep score based on how big a grant they can get. BTW that is what my son in law did for many years (writing grant requests). Now he is in law school. The phrase "sister in a whore house" does pop up now and then ;-) Actually, that's from their own website. If you have a problemw with their mission statement, you should complain to them. I always hated writing grant requests. I did that pro bono for a non-profit but never like it. Law school is tough but doable, esp. if you read fast. :) -- Nom=de=Plume |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
nom=de=plume wrote:
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "CalifBill" wrote in message ... "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down. Yes the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance, actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their health insurance which they don't have? The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills. No one "loves" the stim, but it helped. Your claim is ridiculous on the face of it. I guess you're unaware of how ERs work. They treat you with or without insurance. If you don't have it, the taxpayer pays. That's the most expensive way to treat people. Stabilize and ship out. That's all a for profit hospital is required to do. And you think that's going to solve the healthcare problem... dumping people on the street after they're "stable." Didn't say they were put out on the street. Didn't say it was going to solve the healthcare problem. Not for profits must accept them. It's the law baby. Sheesh, you have quite an imagination. I wonder if you are going a little heavy on your meds? |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:18:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "CalifBill" wrote in message ... "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:59:51 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: Well said. We have felt very little pain from this economy melt down. Yes the 10-20% unemployed, but most have unemploymnent insurance, actually many don't. about 1M are set to lose it. and what about their health insurance which they don't have? The stimulus you love, will make sure all of them are employed. If they have no assets, the taxpayers will pay their medical bills. No one "loves" the stim, but it helped. Your claim is ridiculous on the face of it. I guess you're unaware of how ERs work. They treat you with or without insurance. If you don't have it, the taxpayer pays. That's the most expensive way to treat people. The thing that bothers me is they still have not addressed that. If the government really wanted to cut health care costs they would be setting up low cost store front clinics staffed by paramedics and medical techs to handle minor injuries and ailments. A lot of drugs should be able to be dispensed by pharmacists without prescription. They are doing nothing to actually cut the cost of care with any bill I have seen. They all seem to just be subsidizing billionaire medical conglomerates and insurance companies with tax payer money. That's one thing that could be done, but the bigger problem is prevention, e.g., heart attacks and other life-threatening, but preventable conditions. We need a coverage for all people that include preventative care. Put a $10 tax on a pack of cigs. Who would argue with that? |
obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
nom=de=plume wrote:
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:11:45 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Private companies do a lot more than NIH. I only have to point to the human genome project where a private company cracked the code in months and NIH dunced around for years on it. No they don't. The NIH is not tasked with things in so narrow of a focus. Go to their website and read their mission statement. I worked at NIH for several years (IBM). I know the culture But, the NIH doesn't have as it's mission to make a profit. "The National Institutes of Health (NIH), a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, is the primary Federal agency for conducting and supporting medical research. Helping to lead the way toward important medical discoveries that improve people's health and save lives, NIH scientists investigate ways to prevent disease as well as the causes, treatments, and even cures for common and rare diseases. Composed of 27 Institutes and Centers, the NIH provides leadership and financial support to researchers in every state and throughout the world." There are several here, perhaps you included, who would rather have it be either a profit center or be for profit. I think I'll stick with them the way they are, all faults included. Greed motivates. Accepting handouts (financial support), in no way motivates people to complete projects or accomplish anything. You seem to be stuck on stupid. Greed is not good when it comes to public health! Oh really? What motivation does a union public healthcare worker have to deliver quality healthcare? |
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