Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

What about the foam filling from the cushions? Would that qualify as
"litter"? What about synthetic thread, which is probably similar to 6 lb
monofilament, which birds get tangled in?

Jeeeez....somebody shoot this monkey.

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Would it be too intelligent to call the local office of your state's
environmental agency, and ask them?

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

The Red Green approach. I love it! And, ya never know what some of those
parts might be useful for in the future.


"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:12:36 +0000, Scott Downey wrote:

I think the marina manger would have a problem with that
The other thing I could do is dissasemble the frame out of the sofa to
lighten it but I still like the over board route, much less to deal
with.
I wonder if it would be illegal.


First, it's repusive to me to think a boater would even consider dumping a
sofa into the sea.

But, "dissassembling" can be fun. We were throwing out an old sofa, and we
started by throwing it off the balcony onto the back driveway. Then we
thought of taking it apart a bit so it would be easier to take to the
dump. Out came the axes, the sledgehammers, the chainsaw...we had a BALL!!
You could probably charge money: $.50 per hit or something. Then take the
pieces to the dump. Easy.

Lloyd

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

"Jim -" wrote in message
news:0jr9b.466559$o%2.206427@sccrnsc02...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Go ahead and dump it. By the looks of Isabel, the couch should end up
in
Lake Erie by next weekend...where it would rapidly decompose from the
pollutants.


Are you in a '70's time warp? Wake up guy. Lake Erie turned around
(water quality
wise) in the mid '80's.


What about health warning for the fish from that lake? As bad as Lake
Ontario?

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Totally unrelated: Have you ever fished Long Lake? I'm going there on Oct 3
& 4.

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

jps,
Nor is he into civility either.
Paul

"jps" wrote in message
...
"Jack Rye" wrote in message
news:G8q9b.56806$Qy4.48267@fed1read05...
With homeland security, U.S. Coast Guard. Maybe they are monitoring this
group for complete morons willing to dump garbage in the sea. Where we
get
our food and pleasure from. If they are. I hope you go to jail, and
rot
there till you can no longer pose a menace to society, and the boating
public.

Jack

I take it you're not into forgiveness?

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

You would need both US EPA and US COE permits. I promise you that either
permit application would weigh more than the couch.

Aaron

"Scott Downey" wrote in message
...
It is large heavy and ugly.
I was thinking of going into 40 foot or deeper water and heaving it over
the
side. Does anyone have a problem with this?
In a few years the metal frame would be gone and of course the wood and
cloth would rot as well. It is an old sleep sofa and IMO, too hard to lug
back up the dock.

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Jim,
But at least it isn't political, yet. Actually kind of humorous.
Paul

"Jim -" wrote in message
news:jqs9b.360744$cF.106648@rwcrnsc53...
This is an unbelievably stupid discussion.

Scott, go back to your trailer park, marry your sister and give up
boating.


"Scott Downey" wrote in message
...
It is large heavy and ugly.
I was thinking of going into 40 foot or deeper water and heaving it over
the
side. Does anyone have a problem with this?
In a few years the metal frame would be gone and of course the wood and
cloth would rot as well. It is an old sleep sofa and IMO, too hard to
lug
back up the dock.

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Yea, just be sure to radio the coastguard with the location when you get out
there so they can log it.




"Scott Downey" wrote in message
...
It is large heavy and ugly.
I was thinking of going into 40 foot or deeper water and heaving it over
the
side. Does anyone have a problem with this?
In a few years the metal frame would be gone and of course the wood and
cloth would rot as well. It is an old sleep sofa and IMO, too hard to lug
back up the dock.

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

No I guess I am not. Considering I support a clean ocean. I belong to the
following groups.
Ocean Futures Society
Sierra Club
National Ocean Service
National Coalition for Marine Conservation
The Ocean Conservancy
I just hate stupid people thinking the ocean is a dumping ground.

Jack

"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
jps,
Nor is he into civility either.
Paul

"jps" wrote in message
...
"Jack Rye" wrote in message
news:G8q9b.56806$Qy4.48267@fed1read05...
With homeland security, U.S. Coast Guard. Maybe they are monitoring
this
group for complete morons willing to dump garbage in the sea. Where
we
get
our food and pleasure from. If they are. I hope you go to jail, and
rot
there till you can no longer pose a menace to society, and the boating
public.

Jack

I take it you're not into forgiveness?

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Careful there Dennis, you're gonna need that man's vote if your hero Bush is
going to be reelected.


"Jim -" wrote in message
news:jqs9b.360744$cF.106648@rwcrnsc53...
This is an unbelievably stupid discussion.

Scott, go back to your trailer park, marry your sister and give up
boating.


"Scott Downey" wrote in message
...
It is large heavy and ugly.
I was thinking of going into 40 foot or deeper water and heaving it over
the
side. Does anyone have a problem with this?
In a few years the metal frame would be gone and of course the wood and
cloth would rot as well. It is an old sleep sofa and IMO, too hard to
lug
back up the dock.

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Paul,

There, I just made it political.

"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
Jim,
But at least it isn't political, yet. Actually kind of humorous.
Paul

"Jim -" wrote in message
news:jqs9b.360744$cF.106648@rwcrnsc53...
This is an unbelievably stupid discussion.

Scott, go back to your trailer park, marry your sister and give up
boating.


"Scott Downey" wrote in message
...
It is large heavy and ugly.
I was thinking of going into 40 foot or deeper water and heaving it
over
the
side. Does anyone have a problem with this?
In a few years the metal frame would be gone and of course the wood
and
cloth would rot as well. It is an old sleep sofa and IMO, too hard to
lug
back up the dock.

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Subject: Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
From: "Scott Downey"

I think the marina manger would have a problem with that

Sounds like he's a dick.

The other thing I could do is dissasemble the frame out of the sofa to
lighten it

Now you're thinking.

but I still like the over board route, much less to deal with.

Very true. Is there a public pool near by?

I wonder if it would be illegal.

My guess? Yes.
But those who make environmental laws tend to be dicks too.

Capt. Bill

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Subject: Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
From: "Lloyd Sumpter"

Yup, we smoke our salmon out here... ;)

Do you use Chesterfield chips for flavor?

Capt. Bill

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Subject: Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
From: "bomar"

Gee. why not just throw it out at the launch ramp?
Make certain it's out far enough so it's still covered at low tide.
I'm sure no one would mind.

Finally someone is getting into the spirit of this.

Capt. Bill

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Subject: Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
From: "Jack Rye"

With homeland security, U.S. Coast Guard. Maybe they are monitoring this
group for complete morons willing to dump garbage in the sea.

First it's terrorist, now it's complete morons. If this keeps up I want some of
my tax dollars back.

Where we get
our food and pleasure from.

I think have a sofa or two on the water might enhance our pleasure.

If they are. I hope you go to jail, and rot
there till you can no longer pose a menace to society, and the boating
public.

Yes, sofa killers are a true menace society. Not to mention cereal ottoman
killers.


Capt. Bill

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

"LaBomba182" wrote in message
...
Subject: Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
From: "bomar"

Gee. why not just throw it out at the launch ramp?
Make certain it's out far enough so it's still covered at low tide.
I'm sure no one would mind.

Finally someone is getting into the spirit of this.

Capt. Bill

I think next to the ramp, not in the water. Comfort station for the ramp
follies.
Bill

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

If I hook it accidently trolling and break a downrigger or rod....I'm gonna
have some very grave, unresolved issues with you.
"Scott Downey" wrote in message
...
IF it is really deep then no one is going to hit it. I know of parts that
are over 60 feet deep.


"Larry Hill" wrote in message
...
It is large heavy and ugly.
I was thinking of going into 40 foot or deeper water and heaving it
over
the
side. Does anyone have a problem with this?
In a few years the metal frame would be gone and of course the wood and
cloth would rot as well. It is an old sleep sofa and IMO, too hard to
lug
back up the dock.

If you are really stupid and don't care about your fellow boaters
hitting
and
****ing up thier boat because you were an asshole...
NEED I SAY MORE?
Take it to a dump!
Larry Hill

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message ...
Yup, we smoke our salmon out here... ;)

Lloyd

Must be hell keeping it lit!

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

"megabite" wrote in message ...
: If I hook it accidently trolling and break a downrigger or rod....I'm gonna
: have some very grave, unresolved issues with you.

Oh... I wouldn't use a downrigger when trolling for couches...

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Subject: Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
From:

(LaBomba182) wrote in message
...
Subject: Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
From: "Scott Downey"

I think the marina manger would have a problem with that

Sounds like he's a dick.

The other thing I could do is dissasemble the frame out of the sofa to
lighten it

Now you're thinking.

but I still like the over board route, much less to deal with.

Very true. Is there a public pool near by?

I wonder if it would be illegal.

My guess? Yes.
But those who make environmental laws tend to be dicks too.

Capt. Bill

Yeah, we certainly wouldn't want clean water to run our boat in and fish.

Whoooosh......... Here, have a comb on me.

Capt. Bill

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Make sure you put your name address, and phone number on said couch.

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Jack,
I was commenting on your response:

"With homeland security, U.S. Coast Guard. Maybe they are monitoring this
group for complete morons willing to dump garbage in the sea. Where we get
our food and pleasure from. If they are. I hope you go to jail, and rot
there till you can no longer pose a menace to society, and the boating
public."

I would appear that you are already condemning Scott as if he had
already dumped it rather than just asking the question. How considering that
this wasn't a troll post, I could see where, when we're sinking ships as
artificial reefs (of course properly prepared), someone might ask in all
seriousness if dumping the sofa was okay.

BTW I also contribute to one of your mentioned conservation groups. I
think conservation is a fine thing as long as not taken too far. I'm sure
these zealots that are going around burning SUVs also see themselves as
conservationists.

Paul

"Jack Rye" wrote in message
news:nvL9b.56990$Qy4.42257@fed1read05...
No I guess I am not. Considering I support a clean ocean. I belong to
the
following groups.
Ocean Futures Society
Sierra Club
National Ocean Service
National Coalition for Marine Conservation
The Ocean Conservancy
I just hate stupid people thinking the ocean is a dumping ground.

Jack

"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
jps,
Nor is he into civility either.
Paul

"jps" wrote in message
...
"Jack Rye" wrote in message
news:G8q9b.56806$Qy4.48267@fed1read05...
With homeland security, U.S. Coast Guard. Maybe they are monitoring
this
group for complete morons willing to dump garbage in the sea. Where
we
get
our food and pleasure from. If they are. I hope you go to jail,
and
rot
there till you can no longer pose a menace to society, and the
boating
public.

Jack

I take it you're not into forgiveness?

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

I'm sure
these zealots that are going around burning SUVs also see themselves as
conservationists.

Hmm, where in the hierarchy would the driver of a twin engined boat (dual
350s -- like two SUV engines) place?

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

"Scott Downey" wrote in message ...
It is large heavy and ugly.
I was thinking of going into 40 foot or deeper water and heaving it over the
side. Does anyone have a problem with this?
In a few years the metal frame would be gone and of course the wood and
cloth would rot as well. It is an old sleep sofa and IMO, too hard to lug
back up the dock.

Do you have a good GPS? Just mark the spot and come back next year to
your own artificial reef. I know some folks who have been dumping
stuff for years to make their own secret "fish havens".

FishFan

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:42:24 -0500, "Keith"
wrote:

Hey, I've got 20 couches to dump... can you send me the disposal fees as
well? ;)

Sure!! ...but I'm not sure you want me to have your mailing address!
:o)
noah

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:50:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Totally unrelated: Have you ever fished Long Lake? I'm going there on Oct 3
& 4.


Nope. Sorry I can't help.
I would expect it to be similar to Upper Saranac, Big Tupper and
Raquette, but it does get a lot of tourist pressure during the season.
All those floatplanes, y'know?

That late in the season, pike might be the most fun.
noah

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Sure man sure, just trash the seas. Nobody needs em anyway.

Scott Downey wrote:

It is large heavy and ugly.
I was thinking of going into 40 foot or deeper water and heaving it over the
side. Does anyone have a problem with this?
In a few years the metal frame would be gone and of course the wood and
cloth would rot as well. It is an old sleep sofa and IMO, too hard to lug
back up the dock.

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

You know they dump bargeloads of trash into the water.
And they have been doing it for decades. The seas are littered with
garbage.


"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Sure man sure, just trash the seas. Nobody needs em anyway.

Scott Downey wrote:

It is large heavy and ugly.
I was thinking of going into 40 foot or deeper water and heaving it over
the
side. Does anyone have a problem with this?
In a few years the metal frame would be gone and of course the wood and
cloth would rot as well. It is an old sleep sofa and IMO, too hard to
lug
back up the dock.

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Maybe *they* do, but I was offshore a couple weeks ago and the thought of
throwing any crap overboard repulsed me. While I "know" that if I were to
sink an aluminum can, the salt water would eat it up pretty fast, I just
couldn't bring myself to try it.

-W (took a wiz over the side no problem though)

"Scott Downey" wrote in message
...

You know they dump bargeloads of trash into the water.
And they have been doing it for decades. The seas are littered with
garbage.


"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Sure man sure, just trash the seas. Nobody needs em anyway.

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:32:06 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

Maybe *they* do, but I was offshore a couple weeks ago and the thought of
throwing any crap overboard repulsed me. While I "know" that if I were to
sink an aluminum can, the salt water would eat it up pretty fast, I just
couldn't bring myself to try it.

-W (took a wiz over the side no problem though)



Funny how that works, Clams.
When I'm fishing, my trash goes into a plastic bag, and goes home with
me.
If I'm duck hunting (I know, I know), my trash goes home with me.

Meanwhile, the entire riverbank is covered with plastic jugs, beer
cans, tires, and assorted crap.

Little by little, maybe, we can change what others do. Including our
cities.

Regards,
noah ---- guilty of wizzing, but it was really important

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

On 17 Sep 2003 21:53:11 -0500, noah
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:32:06 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

Maybe *they* do, but I was offshore a couple weeks ago and the thought of
throwing any crap overboard repulsed me. While I "know" that if I were to
sink an aluminum can, the salt water would eat it up pretty fast, I just
couldn't bring myself to try it.

Funny how that works, Clams.
When I'm fishing, my trash goes into a plastic bag, and goes home with
me.

And when you put it in your trash at home, depending on where you live
there's a good chance it'll end up right back offshore again.

Steve

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

On 17 Sep 2003 21:53:11 -0500, noah
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:32:06 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

Maybe *they* do, but I was offshore a couple weeks ago and the thought of
throwing any crap overboard repulsed me. While I "know" that if I were to
sink an aluminum can, the salt water would eat it up pretty fast, I just
couldn't bring myself to try it.

Funny how that works, Clams.
When I'm fishing, my trash goes into a plastic bag, and goes home with
me.

And when you put it in your trash at home, depending on where you live
there's a good chance it'll end up right back offshore again.

Steve

Sad but true.

--
* * *
email sent to will *never* get to me.

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

And when you put it in your trash at home, depending on where you live
there's a good chance it'll end up right back offshore again.

In some cases this may be true. In some cases if you separate your recycle
it gets thrown into the landfill anyway for any number of reasons.

There are lots of things that go on "upstream" of our garbage that
"shouldn't" in an ideal situation, but at that level you're dealing with
municipal/provincial (or state in your case) inertia and priority
balancing -- ie very slow and cumbersome with big financial limitations.

But we can immediately affect our water quality by not throwing stuff in it.
It doesn't remove the upstream problem (or should that be downstream?), but
at least it doesn't add to it.

Like Clams I can't bring myself to throw stuff overboard, just don't have it
in my DNA to do it. If I spy something floating I'll reach it out with my
boathook if possible. It may be completely useless in the grand scheme of
things, especially considering the fuel I burn ... but it's the best I can
offer.

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

"noah" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:50:42 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Totally unrelated: Have you ever fished Long Lake? I'm going there on Oct
3
& 4.


Nope. Sorry I can't help.
I would expect it to be similar to Upper Saranac, Big Tupper and
Raquette, but it does get a lot of tourist pressure during the season.
All those floatplanes, y'know?

That late in the season, pike might be the most fun.
noah

I can only hope! My GF has only heard stories, but she's never seen be bring
anything home. (She wasn't in the 'dacks with me for the lake trout). She
needs to stare into a large pike's eyes. She's only read that they'll eat
anything - even baby ducks. :-)

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

"noah" wrote in message
...


Meanwhile, the entire riverbank is covered with plastic jugs, beer
cans, tires, and assorted crap.


I swear...if I'm ever faced with knowing when I will die, and it's less than
6 months away, I will hunt people who leave that crap, and feed them
hollowpoints for lunch. I'll never get to trial before I die, anyway.

How friggin' hard is it to take the stuff home?

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

damn Doug, I hate it when people litter, but it sounds like you have crossed
the line when you "swear" you are going to shot them down.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"noah" wrote in message
...


Meanwhile, the entire riverbank is covered with plastic jugs, beer
cans, tires, and assorted crap.


I swear...if I'm ever faced with knowing when I will die, and it's less
than
6 months away, I will hunt people who leave that crap, and feed them
hollowpoints for lunch. I'll never get to trial before I die, anyway.

How friggin' hard is it to take the stuff home?

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

Oh well. It's a safe bet that if you followed one of those people around for
a week or two, you could make a long list of other things they do which
drive others crazy, especially their neighbors. If they were wolves, they'd
be exiled to another hill or attacked & killed. It's how the real world
works.

"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:Mikab.501761$o%2.222328@sccrnsc02...
damn Doug, I hate it when people litter, but it sounds like you have
crossed
the line when you "swear" you are going to shot them down.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"noah" wrote in message
...


Meanwhile, the entire riverbank is covered with plastic jugs, beer
cans, tires, and assorted crap.


I swear...if I'm ever faced with knowing when I will die, and it's less
than
6 months away, I will hunt people who leave that crap, and feed them
hollowpoints for lunch. I'll never get to trial before I die, anyway.

How friggin' hard is it to take the stuff home?

Can I dump my boat sofa in the chesapeake bay?
 

well, maybe it would make more sense to follow them around and fine them
enough to make it hurt so they won't do it again, or we can get a large
vigilante group to follow people around, if they get a high enough score, we
just shot them. Sounds like a plan. ; )


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Oh well. It's a safe bet that if you followed one of those people around
for
a week or two, you could make a long list of other things they do which
drive others crazy, especially their neighbors. If they were wolves,
they'd
be exiled to another hill or attacked & killed. It's how the real world
works.

"Bill Cole" wrote in message
news:Mikab.501761$o%2.222328@sccrnsc02...
damn Doug, I hate it when people litter, but it sounds like you have
crossed
the line when you "swear" you are going to shot them down.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"noah" wrote in message
...


Meanwhile, the entire riverbank is covered with plastic jugs, beer
cans, tires, and assorted crap.


I swear...if I'm ever faced with knowing when I will die, and it's
less
than
6 months away, I will hunt people who leave that crap, and feed them
hollowpoints for lunch. I'll never get to trial before I die, anyway.

How friggin' hard is it to take the stuff home?