Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. That way, I will never pay slip fees either. I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

That's what you get with a blowboat. Seriously, you knew that though, right?

--Mike

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. That way, I will never pay slip fees either. I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

On Feb 7, 11:50*pm, "mgg" wrote:
That's what you get with a blowboat. Seriously, you knew that though, right?

--Mike

"Frogwatch" wrote in message

...

Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. *After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. *Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. *That way, I will never pay slip fees either. *I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. *She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

For me, the appeal of a sailboat, was the ability to go long distances
somewhat inexpensively. However, as it turns out, time is money and
so slowly actually turns out to be MORE expensive than a powerboat if
one is trying to cruise and work. When one factors in slip fees and
the inability to get a heavy non-trailerable boat to various places,
then a trailerable powerboat gets to be more economical than a
sailboat for going places. This is particularly true for an efficient
boat like the Tolman that gets 5-6 mpg.
However, the sailboat has range that the Tolman does not have. Can
you imagine running an outboard for 24 hours to go 250 miles? This is
rarely a factor but it is a reason to have a sailboat instead of
power.
My 20' Tolman Standard weighs under 1000 lbs and is a great boat for
most inshore stuff. However, I want to get to the Bahamas too and
maybe even further so maybe I should build the 24' Jumbo Tolman.
Whereas my 20' Tolman weighs just under 1000 lbs, the 24' Jumbo
probably weighs about 1800 lbs (not loaded). Is a 24' boat much more
difficult to launch and retrieve than a 20' boat? I happen to think
that launching/retrieving the Tolman is far easier than getting the
sailboat ready or put away before/after a trip.

On 2/8/10 11:01 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 7, 11:50 pm, wrote:
That's what you get with a blowboat. Seriously, you knew that though, right?

--Mike

wrote in message

...

Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. That way, I will never pay slip fees either. I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

For me, the appeal of a sailboat, was the ability to go long distances
somewhat inexpensively. However, as it turns out, time is money and
so slowly actually turns out to be MORE expensive than a powerboat if
one is trying to cruise and work. When one factors in slip fees and
the inability to get a heavy non-trailerable boat to various places,
then a trailerable powerboat gets to be more economical than a
sailboat for going places. This is particularly true for an efficient
boat like the Tolman that gets 5-6 mpg.
However, the sailboat has range that the Tolman does not have. Can
you imagine running an outboard for 24 hours to go 250 miles? This is
rarely a factor but it is a reason to have a sailboat instead of
power.
My 20' Tolman Standard weighs under 1000 lbs and is a great boat for
most inshore stuff. However, I want to get to the Bahamas too and
maybe even further so maybe I should build the 24' Jumbo Tolman.
Whereas my 20' Tolman weighs just under 1000 lbs, the 24' Jumbo
probably weighs about 1800 lbs (not loaded). Is a 24' boat much more
difficult to launch and retrieve than a 20' boat? I happen to think
that launching/retrieving the Tolman is far easier than getting the
sailboat ready or put away before/after a trip.



I used to launch and retrieve my 25' Parker single-handedly. Depends on
the ramp. Boat weighed more than 7000 pounds and I did not use a roller
trailer.

I never thought it was a difficult task. Of course, I had a really good
trailer, not a trailer on which I tried to save a buck.

My current Parker weighs 3000 pounds plus. No problems launching or
retrieving.

If you want to move faster, you want a powerboat with a bottom a bit
more aggressive than that on a tolman.

On 2/8/2010 11:23 AM, Harry wrote:
On 2/8/10 11:01 AM, Frogwatch wrote:


I used to launch and retrieve my 25' Parker single-handedly. Depends on
the ramp. Boat weighed more than 7000 pounds and I did not use a roller
trailer.

I never thought it was a difficult task. Of course, I had a really good
trailer, not a trailer on which I tried to save a buck.


Harry when you sold your 25' Parker, the reason you said you sold it
because it was too hard to launch and retrieve single handed. You
really do need to keep a cheat sheet close by so you don't look silly.

On 2/8/10 12:04 PM, Don White wrote:
On 2/8/2010 11:23 AM, Harry wrote:
On 2/8/10 11:01 AM, Frogwatch wrote:


I used to launch and retrieve my 25' Parker single-handedly. Depends on
the ramp. Boat weighed more than 7000 pounds and I did not use a roller
trailer.

I never thought it was a difficult task. Of course, I had a really good
trailer, not a trailer on which I tried to save a buck.


Harry when you sold your 25' Parker, the reason you said you sold it
because it was too hard to launch and retrieve single handed. You really
do need to keep a cheat sheet close by so you don't look silly.

More bull**** from the ID spoofing bull****ter.

Harry wrote:
On 2/8/10 11:01 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 7, 11:50 pm, wrote:
That's what you get with a blowboat. Seriously, you knew that
though, right?

--Mike

wrote in message

...


Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. That way, I will never pay slip fees either. I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

For me, the appeal of a sailboat, was the ability to go long distances
somewhat inexpensively. However, as it turns out, time is money and
so slowly actually turns out to be MORE expensive than a powerboat if
one is trying to cruise and work. When one factors in slip fees and
the inability to get a heavy non-trailerable boat to various places,
then a trailerable powerboat gets to be more economical than a
sailboat for going places. This is particularly true for an efficient
boat like the Tolman that gets 5-6 mpg.
However, the sailboat has range that the Tolman does not have. Can
you imagine running an outboard for 24 hours to go 250 miles? This is
rarely a factor but it is a reason to have a sailboat instead of
power.
My 20' Tolman Standard weighs under 1000 lbs and is a great boat for
most inshore stuff. However, I want to get to the Bahamas too and
maybe even further so maybe I should build the 24' Jumbo Tolman.
Whereas my 20' Tolman weighs just under 1000 lbs, the 24' Jumbo
probably weighs about 1800 lbs (not loaded). Is a 24' boat much more
difficult to launch and retrieve than a 20' boat? I happen to think
that launching/retrieving the Tolman is far easier than getting the
sailboat ready or put away before/after a trip.



I used to launch and retrieve my 25' Parker single-handedly. Depends
on the ramp. Boat weighed more than 7000 pounds and I did not use a
roller trailer.

I never thought it was a difficult task. Of course, I had a really
good trailer, not a trailer on which I tried to save a buck.

My current Parker weighs 3000 pounds plus. No problems launching or
retrieving.

If you want to move faster, you want a powerboat with a bottom a bit
more aggressive than that on a tolman.


I never launched any of my boats single-handedly. I've always had at
least one friend (or spouse) joining me for the trip who could also help
with the launch and retrieve. I wouldn't want to do it solo but it's
never been an issue.

Bruce wrote:
Harry wrote:
On 2/8/10 11:01 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 7, 11:50 pm, wrote:
That's what you get with a blowboat. Seriously, you knew that
though, right?

--Mike

wrote in message

...


Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. That way, I will never pay slip fees either. I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

For me, the appeal of a sailboat, was the ability to go long distances
somewhat inexpensively. However, as it turns out, time is money and
so slowly actually turns out to be MORE expensive than a powerboat if
one is trying to cruise and work. When one factors in slip fees and
the inability to get a heavy non-trailerable boat to various places,
then a trailerable powerboat gets to be more economical than a
sailboat for going places. This is particularly true for an efficient
boat like the Tolman that gets 5-6 mpg.
However, the sailboat has range that the Tolman does not have. Can
you imagine running an outboard for 24 hours to go 250 miles? This is
rarely a factor but it is a reason to have a sailboat instead of
power.
My 20' Tolman Standard weighs under 1000 lbs and is a great boat for
most inshore stuff. However, I want to get to the Bahamas too and
maybe even further so maybe I should build the 24' Jumbo Tolman.
Whereas my 20' Tolman weighs just under 1000 lbs, the 24' Jumbo
probably weighs about 1800 lbs (not loaded). Is a 24' boat much more
difficult to launch and retrieve than a 20' boat? I happen to think
that launching/retrieving the Tolman is far easier than getting the
sailboat ready or put away before/after a trip.



I used to launch and retrieve my 25' Parker single-handedly. Depends
on the ramp. Boat weighed more than 7000 pounds and I did not use a
roller trailer.

I never thought it was a difficult task. Of course, I had a really
good trailer, not a trailer on which I tried to save a buck.

My current Parker weighs 3000 pounds plus. No problems launching or
retrieving.

If you want to move faster, you want a powerboat with a bottom a bit
more aggressive than that on a tolman.


I never launched any of my boats single-handedly. I've always had at
least one friend (or spouse) joining me for the trip who could also help
with the launch and retrieve. I wouldn't want to do it solo but it's
never been an issue.

When you don't have any friends you have to launch single handed.

On 2/8/2010 7:55 PM, Bruce wrote:
Harry wrote:
On 2/8/10 11:01 AM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 7, 11:50 pm, wrote:
That's what you get with a blowboat. Seriously, you knew that
though, right?

--Mike

wrote in message

...


Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. That way, I will never pay slip fees either. I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

For me, the appeal of a sailboat, was the ability to go long distances
somewhat inexpensively. However, as it turns out, time is money and
so slowly actually turns out to be MORE expensive than a powerboat if
one is trying to cruise and work. When one factors in slip fees and
the inability to get a heavy non-trailerable boat to various places,
then a trailerable powerboat gets to be more economical than a
sailboat for going places. This is particularly true for an efficient
boat like the Tolman that gets 5-6 mpg.
However, the sailboat has range that the Tolman does not have. Can
you imagine running an outboard for 24 hours to go 250 miles? This is
rarely a factor but it is a reason to have a sailboat instead of
power.
My 20' Tolman Standard weighs under 1000 lbs and is a great boat for
most inshore stuff. However, I want to get to the Bahamas too and
maybe even further so maybe I should build the 24' Jumbo Tolman.
Whereas my 20' Tolman weighs just under 1000 lbs, the 24' Jumbo
probably weighs about 1800 lbs (not loaded). Is a 24' boat much more
difficult to launch and retrieve than a 20' boat? I happen to think
that launching/retrieving the Tolman is far easier than getting the
sailboat ready or put away before/after a trip.



I used to launch and retrieve my 25' Parker single-handedly. Depends
on the ramp. Boat weighed more than 7000 pounds and I did not use a
roller trailer.

I never thought it was a difficult task. Of course, I had a really
good trailer, not a trailer on which I tried to save a buck.

My current Parker weighs 3000 pounds plus. No problems launching or
retrieving.

If you want to move faster, you want a powerboat with a bottom a bit
more aggressive than that on a tolman.


I never launched any of my boats single-handedly. I've always had at
least one friend (or spouse) joining me for the trip who could also help
with the launch and retrieve. I wouldn't want to do it solo but it's
never been an issue.

Harry used to make posts in rec.boats asking ANYONE if they wanted to go
boating. NO ONE ever took him up on the offer. I don't know why, he is
very cute in his Bermuda shorts and white socks.

On Feb 7, 6:00*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Yes, sailing is fun but for getting anywhere it is really slow.
Seriously, only 50 miles in a 10 hour day is slow. *After this cruise,
I may try cruising some other way. *Maybe I'll build a larger Tolman
for cruising. *That way, I will never pay slip fees either. *I have
found that fuel cost is a small part of the cost of boat ownership and
with a Tolman getting 6 mpg and able to go 30 mph, cruising becomes
practical. *She won't cross oceans but would get to the Bahamas and
Dry Tortugas.

When my dad was headed for the phillippenes in WW2, he said that he
and and several compaies were loaded onto an old Dutch steam vessel
that had been converted over to a troop transport which was contracted
to th US govtl

.. The only ventilation was provided by those huge horns on deck and
salt water showers with berths stacked 8 high down in the hold.
Blubbering across the south Pacific at 3-5 kt, he said it was the
sorriest time of his life. It stunk so bad down in the hold courtesy
of all the puke and pee, that most of the time they slept on deck when
they could.


Now that would be Slo-o-o-o-o-ow!