On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:01:51 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 17/01/2010 5:36 PM, bpuharic wrote:


you morons caused the economy to collapse. the ONLY institution left
that had any spending power was the govt.


the rich have already buggered the middle class. 30 years of no pay
increases. no job security. no health benefits. no pensions



like i said, you might start with the former milton friedman disciple
and free market fundamentalist, richard posner, and his essay 'why i
am now a keynesian'

you conservatives...you have your myths. your little fairy tales. and
they keep you warm at night, like a frightened puppy

You should read up on real examples of Keynesian. One huge problem with
_all_ these off the wall theories is they ignore something very critical
to it's sucess. Socialism is a great idea in an ideal world, but the
world isn't ideal thus it falls flat on it's ass because it ignores the
need to manage greed and motivation.

since keynesianism has nothing to do with socialism, i suggest you
adjust your lobster bib and just nod off again, like a good
conservative.


It also flops on government knows best. Any time _any_ organizattion,
private or not gets too much power the middle class gets the screw

and how's the middle class doing under radical free market socialism
for the rich in this country? we all doing OK?

.. If
government statism is so sucessful, how come old USSR, Cuba and Venezula
are so freaking poor? In Haiti's case, the gangs have total control and
yet they too fail. Same deal, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And
it is why a balanced capitalism succeeds beter than any other. Pretty
hard with some good anti-trust laws to corner the market without
providing good value.

we actually need a regulated social democracy. THAT'S what works. it
provides grow, social cohesion and stability for the middle class

what WE have instead is a social darwinist society where the rich raid
the middle class piggy bank anytime they run into problems. it's
socialism...for the rich and capitalism for the middle class



BTW, Keynesian has been tried in the USA before. 1929 kicked it off to
a 11 year depression that took a WW to end it.

now let's see...what the fed did in 29 was ....nothing

just like you recommend today.

and ww2? massive govt spending. that's the definition of keynesianism

seems you just keep dipping your cup in the fountain of the limbaugh
kool aid.

History repeats. Part
of the problem is a dumb assed president didn't spend the first 10 years
of his childhood in an American culture and school. Or he would know
more about USA history than a Canuck. Back then the US governent tried
the same **** and it didn't work then and sure does not look like it is
working now.

and bush spent his entire life in the US.

how'd that work out for the middle class?