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H :) K wrote:
Tim wrote:

Burt then again, you're not running a forien coutry, and they have had
missionaries there for years. There's probably more mission run
clinics there in Haiti then any thing supplied by any government
inside, or outside


I'm aware of that, as I have fundie relatives by marriage who have
served stints as missionaries in Central and South America. The primary
goal of fundamentalist missionaries is to spread "the faith," no matter
what else they are doing in those underdeveloped countries. That was the
primary goal of my southern baptist "relatives," one of whom worked as a
nurse at a clinic and the other who worked as a teacher in a little
school. The sickening part was they were working to convert Catholics
into protestants.

\
If I don't watch my tongue, my beautiful young rich fundy southern bell
will dis inherit me and I will be homeless. It's bad enough that she
won't put me on the deed to her house.

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In article , naled24511
@mypacks.net says...

BAR wrote:
In article 65409636-de24-4b89-ad6c-a31ec2a246b8
@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...
Here's a snip from an email I recieved two days after the earthquake"

"Mr. Shelby said one Illinois Baptist was already scheduled to help
provide food for Haiti. "Illinois disaster relief committed some
time ago to use one of our semi trucks to transport 20 tons of food to
Miami for a Christian relief agency called Hope for the Children of
Haiti," Shelby said. ..."

So far the donations have been doubled.


My parish had adopted a Haitian parish a couple of decades ago. We've
been supporting them for years with missions and cash. The most
interesting part is that when you go on a mission, to help the
parishioners, you go loaded with luggage but, when you come back you
return with just the clothes on your back.



I'm not including Catholic missions in my comments. For the most part,
Catholics are tending to their already existing flocks, and not trying
to convert Protestants.

Why not, we converted the whole of the Caribbean, central and south
America.

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On Jan 16, 11:38*am, BAR wrote:
In article 65409636-de24-4b89-ad6c-a31ec2a246b8
@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...

Here's a snip from an email I recieved two days after the earthquake"

"Mr. Shelby said one Illinois Baptist was already scheduled to help
provide food for Haiti. * "Illinois disaster relief committed some
time ago to use one of our semi trucks to transport 20 tons of food to
Miami for a Christian relief agency called Hope for the Children of
Haiti," Shelby said. ..."

So far the donations have been doubled.

My parish had adopted a Haitian parish a couple of decades ago. We've
been supporting them for years with missions and cash. The most
interesting part is that when you go on a mission, to help the
parishioners, you go loaded with luggage but, when you come back you
return with just the clothes on your back.

Yep!

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H :) K wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 16, 10:41 am, Harry Krause wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 16, 9:53 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 16, 9:25 am, HK wrote:
Bill McKee wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
I am Tosk wrote:
In article c6885ae7-04aa-4288-ab4c-e093901e1651@
21g2000vbh.googlegroups.com, says...
On Jan 14, 11:13 pm, "Bill McKee"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:
The 3 charities below spend less than 6% of their
contribution on
admen
and fund raising and can handle the logistics in Haiti.
www.directrelief.org
www.pih.org
www.americares.org
www.watermissions.org
www.savethechildren.org
Also the Adventist Foundation
Also the Salvation
Armyhttp://www.salvationarmy.org/ihq/www_sa.nsf/vw-news/3BA710B2E3E570788...

Those are good with fine reputations. But there's lots of
warnings
about bogus charities springing up too. I got a call today
from some
one for the "Haitian National Relief Fund" , when i heard the
typical "boiler room" in the background, I hung up. But
legit or not,
I won't donate over the phone, especially to those who wish
credit
card info.
Red Cross, Salvation Army... Why go anywhere else and pay
someone to set
up in Haiti when The RC is already there?
Scotty
Actually the first 4 charities were listed as the best choice for
contributing to Haiti by Charity Navigator, because of there
strong
logistical network already in Haiti, and because greater than
94% of the
contributions go to those intended.
Red Cross sucks!
We sent $600 to Red Cross earmarked For Katrina Aid. Later we
found out
NONE of it went to the the aforementioned. Red Cross is big business
playing on the sympathy and generosity of the unsuspecting.
There are plenty of worthy charities that do good work with very
little
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Today, the Southern Baptists Association are sending two semi truck
loads of food and various suplies from a three county area to
Florida to be loaded and sent.
No offense, but if I were running a foreign country, the last
groups I'd
let in for any reason are fundamentalist religious organizations, and
the southern baptists qualify on all counts. Organizationally, they
are
evil incarnate. Note that I am not commenting on individual
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Burt then again, you're not running a forien coutry, and they have had
missionaries there for years. There's probably more mission run
clinics there in Haiti then any thing supplied by any government
inside, or outside
No offense, but only an idiot would belong to any church, and the
baptists are the worst church in the world.
I hope you were not offended.- Hide quoted text -

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No, I'm not offended at all, seeing the church has been ridiculed for
the last 2000+ years? Oh yes, over the ages there have been some bums
that have acted out evil in "Gods name" but over all, there has been
great compassion and humanitarianism that has been spread by "the
church" asking for nothing in return.

You're responding to an ID spoofer.

Well you could have fooled me. Have a miserable day. Hurrumph!

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H :) K wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:56:16 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Jan 16, 10:41 am, Harry Krause wrote:

No offense, but only an idiot would belong to any church, and the
baptists are the worst church in the world.
I hope you were not offended.- Hide quoted text -

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No, I'm not offended at all, seeing the church has been ridiculed for
the last 2000+ years? Oh yes, over the ages there have been some bums
that have acted out evil in "Gods name" but over all, there has been
great compassion and humanitarianism that has been spread by "the
church" asking for nothing in return.

Lots of comments from Harry, but he won't address the following:

Harry seems to get his jollies attempting to ridicule the


Responded to by me more than once, **** for brains.

No frikken way. Show me.

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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:26:38 -0500, "H :) K"
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:56:16 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Jan 16, 10:41 am, Harry Krause wrote:

No offense, but only an idiot would belong to any church, and the
baptists are the worst church in the world.
I hope you were not offended.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
No, I'm not offended at all, seeing the church has been ridiculed for
the last 2000+ years? Oh yes, over the ages there have been some bums
that have acted out evil in "Gods name" but over all, there has been
great compassion and humanitarianism that has been spread by "the
church" asking for nothing in return.

Lots of comments from Harry, but he won't address the following:

Harry seems to get his jollies attempting to ridicule the


Responded to by me more than once, **** for brains.

Bull****. Show me. You have no answer, because any of them would make
you and your liberal buddies fools for voting for him.

There, you've recieved my January post to you.
--

John H

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John H wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:26:38 -0500, "H :) K"
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:56:16 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Jan 16, 10:41 am, Harry Krause wrote:
No offense, but only an idiot would belong to any church, and the
baptists are the worst church in the world.
I hope you were not offended.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
No, I'm not offended at all, seeing the church has been ridiculed for
the last 2000+ years? Oh yes, over the ages there have been some bums
that have acted out evil in "Gods name" but over all, there has been
great compassion and humanitarianism that has been spread by "the
church" asking for nothing in return.
Lots of comments from Harry, but he won't address the following:

Harry seems to get his jollies attempting to ridicule the

Responded to by me more than once, **** for brains.

Bull****. Show me. You have no answer, because any of them would make
you and your liberal buddies fools for voting for him.

There, you've recieved my January post to you.

Sorry, ****head, I don't dance at the end of your little string.
Google it. Of course, that will be hard with 2000 posts spoofing my id.

Obama's personal expression of religious faith does not trouble me. He
is not going to declare jesus day in America, as Bush did with Texas.

Racist, hateful assholes like you give religion a bad name.

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HK wrote:
John H wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:26:38 -0500, "H :) K"
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:56:16 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Jan 16, 10:41 am, Harry Krause wrote:
No offense, but only an idiot would belong to any church, and the
baptists are the worst church in the world.
I hope you were not offended.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
No, I'm not offended at all, seeing the church has been ridiculed for
the last 2000+ years? Oh yes, over the ages there have been some bums
that have acted out evil in "Gods name" but over all, there has been
great compassion and humanitarianism that has been spread by "the
church" asking for nothing in return.
Lots of comments from Harry, but he won't address the following:

Harry seems to get his jollies attempting to ridicule the

Responded to by me more than once, **** for brains.

Bull****. Show me. You have no answer, because any of them would make
you and your liberal buddies fools for voting for him.

There, you've recieved my January post to you.

Sorry, ****head, I don't dance at the end of your little string.
Google it. Of course, that will be hard with 2000 posts spoofing my id.

Obama's personal expression of religious faith does not trouble me. He
is not going to declare jesus day in America, as Bush did with Texas.

Racist, hateful assholes like you give religion a bad name.
Pssst. You forgot the smiley.

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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:11:25 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Jan 16, 10:34*am, "H :) K" wrote:
Tim wrote:
Burt then again, you're not running a forien coutry, and they have had
missionaries there for years. There's probably more mission run
clinics there in Haiti *then any thing supplied by any government
inside, or outside

I'm aware of that, as I have fundie relatives by marriage who have
served stints as missionaries in Central and South America. The primary
goal of fundamentalist missionaries is to spread "the faith," no matter
what else they are doing in those underdeveloped countries. That was the
primary goal of my southern baptist "relatives," one of whom worked as a
nurse at a clinic and the other who worked as a teacher in a little
school. The sickening part was they were working to convert Catholics
into protestants.

Did they help improve peoples health? Did they teach kids to read?
I think that's a bit better than living in desease and ignorance.

Now I could agree with your conversion thoughts if the missionaries
method of "converting" was forced. I really doubt there was any
"forcing" going on. But if you wish to disagree, it's always your
right to be critical.

All too often missionary groups have committed a form of cultural
genocide by suppressing native languages and customs, all in the name
of education and western morality of course. We were given a first
hand view of this in Alaska last year. Several different native
Alaskans that we spoke to remembered very well their days as children
in missionary schools, and the memories are not exactly positive to
say the least. It was apparently common place for the children to be
beaten for any use of their native language or display of native
customs. Parents were coerced into sending their children to the
schools under various threats. There are also many reports of this
sort of thing from Hawaii and other south Pacific islands. The
medical services and educational opportunities always seem to come
with strings attached.

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On Jan 16, 1:24*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:11:25 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



On Jan 16, 10:34 am, "H :) K" wrote:
Tim wrote:
Burt then again, you're not running a forien coutry, and they have had
missionaries there for years. There's probably more mission run
clinics there in Haiti then any thing supplied by any government
inside, or outside

I'm aware of that, as I have fundie relatives by marriage who have
served stints as missionaries in Central and South America. The primary
goal of fundamentalist missionaries is to spread "the faith," no matter
what else they are doing in those underdeveloped countries. That was the
primary goal of my southern baptist "relatives," one of whom worked as a
nurse at a clinic and the other who worked as a teacher in a little
school. The sickening part was they were working to convert Catholics
into protestants.

Did they help *improve peoples health? Did they teach kids to read?
I think that's a bit better than living in desease and ignorance.

Now I could agree with your conversion thoughts if the missionaries
method of "converting" *was forced. * I really doubt there was any
"forcing" going on. But if you wish to disagree, it's always your
right to be critical.

All too often missionary groups have committed a form of cultural
genocide by suppressing native languages and customs, all in the name
of education and western morality of course. * We were given a first
hand view of this in Alaska last year. * Several different native
Alaskans that we spoke to remembered very well their days as children
in missionary schools, and the memories are not exactly positive to
say the least. *It was apparently common place for the children to be
beaten for any use of their native language or display of native
customs. *Parents were coerced into sending their children to the
schools under various threats. *There are also many reports of this
sort of thing from Hawaii and other south Pacific islands. *The
medical services and educational opportunities always seem to come
with strings attached.

Granted, Wayne, I have heard of that. and IMO that is deplorable. I
have a brother who is a missionary in Panama, and I know of several
missionaries we support not only in south America and Haiti, Papua
New Guinea Africa and India, and I have never heard of that happening
with my churches groups. if it was, it would not be tolorated.

For example. about 20 years ago, some people in our missions groups
had some suspicions with a church supported mission in S. Korea after
hearing pleas that not enough money was coming into the orphanage etc,
attached with a lot of odd requests to take care of some 45 kids and
something just didn't seem right.

Some people went there on a surprise visit and found that the lady
entrusted with the orphanage had embezzled several thousand dollars.
The 15 (not 45 kids as reported) were reasonable well fed, but poorly
clothed.

Legally there wasn't anything to do concerning her theft, but she was
fired on the spot. Then the orphanage was re-evaluated and regrouped
with more trustworthy overseers put into place.

We are fully aware that these things do happen but this is an isolated
case. With modern communications there are ways of observing what goes
on and using better scrutiny than ever.