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On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 08:52:52 -0500, Harry
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Gene wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 06:52:16 -0500, Harry
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Bill McKee wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:25:57 -0500, Gene
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On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:07:49 -0800, jps wrote:

I think not.

Why do we let manufacturers flood the market with cheap weapons?

DECATUR, Ga. -- A 4-year-old boy who was struck by a stray bullet
while at church died Friday.

The incident happened around midnight Friday during a New Year's
Eve
watch service at the Covington Drive Church Of God of Prophecy in
Decatur.

It was not immediately clear who fired the shot that came through
the
roof of the church and struck the child, who was identified as
Marquel
Peters.

"It's hard. He was my only child. He was only 4. He was a smart
little
boy, he was so sweet," said his mother, Nathalee Peters.

She said Friday night that she still can't believe it happened.

"I heard a little sound like a 'pink.' I heard him scream a little
bit, so I looked around to hand him the game and that's when I saw
the
blood," she said. "I tried to pick him up and then, he was losing
consciousness and he was just breaking and going down. It was so
hard."

DeKalb County police said they thought at first that debris from
the
roof fell and hit Marquel.

But the medical examiner found the bullet in the boy's head when he
performed the autopsy.

Nathalee Peters wants the person who fired the gun to turn himself
in.

"I want to say to the person responsible for this please come
forward
or whoever out there know something about who did this to my son,
please come forward and say something. We need justice," she said.
What sort of weapon was responsible for this? What did it cost....
Why do you make such a connection? The vast availability of weapons,
especially cheap ones, has flooded the market with availability. It
sets the bar for being armed.

One weapon doesn't make a differents. Millions do.

It surprises me you've taken such a short view but it seems your
normal powers of logic get stymied when it comes to religious
arguments.
I have not seen cheap guns in years.


Go to a gun show in Virginia. Plenty of working firearms for sale for
$100 or less, and you can find individuals who will sell you one
without
bothering with the federal instant check.

I'm gonna have to check that out!


It's the gun show loophole. Plenty of unlicensed dealers roaming around
who legally will sell you about anything you want, and many will not
push even for ID. It's been documented many times.

OK.... I've done some checking and found that this is just BS.

First of all, dealers have to be Federally licensed. Period. If
somebody is making something other than occasional sales of a firearm,
they are guilty of a felony(ies). Private sales must be, by law,
intrastate or a FFL dealer must be involved.

The "Gun Show Loophole" is a weasel term created by a group of folks
(probably the "Violence Policy Center") rabidly against guns. The only
folks dealing guns without a license at gun shows are private gun
owners and they are the only ones that have that option. There is no
"loophole" nor has there ever been one. Virginia now requires that a
state trooper be available at all gun shows to run background checks.
His services are, however, voluntary.

I might also reiterate that the term "unlicensed dealer" is
nonsense....

My son is a law enforcement officer in Virginia and we discussed this
at supper, tonight. He saw no more illegal guns in Virginia than NC,
where pistol permits are required. He added that all Virginia sales of
handguns through dealers are permitted and the permit is granted
through the state's database. If you are trying a no-no and get
creative filling out the paperwork, then you get a trip uptown and are
charged with a *minimum* of two felonies and one misdemeanor.... more
likely a minimum of three felonies. Bear in mind, this is a guy
standing there waiting for the FFL dealer to hand him his gun and all
he gets is carried out of the store in handcuffs.

Finally, let's look at the scope of the "problem." The BJS filed a
report "Firearms Use by Offenders" that found only 0.8%, that's 8 out
of 1000.... inmates procured their weapon at a gun show. I'm guessing
this "loophole" crap is a red herring....





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You must first define the parameters. Legal versus illegal.

In the legal category, all the things you mentioned come into play.

In the illegal category, it's all done by a coin flip.

Lots of things are done at gun shows that shouldn't be.

Lots of things are done on street corners that shouldn't be.

People on both corners know where the lines are, know how to tap-dance in
between the lines, and know when they are clearly outside the lines.

Anyone who tries to set guidelines that will be followed judiciously by all
is exercising their idiocy and lack of knowledge of the human specie. Or
just a Pollyanna Utopian liberal.

ymmv.

Steve