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Do we need more of this?
"jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:25:57 -0500, Gene wrote: On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:07:49 -0800, jps wrote: I think not. Why do we let manufacturers flood the market with cheap weapons? DECATUR, Ga. -- A 4-year-old boy who was struck by a stray bullet while at church died Friday. The incident happened around midnight Friday during a New Year's Eve watch service at the Covington Drive Church Of God of Prophecy in Decatur. It was not immediately clear who fired the shot that came through the roof of the church and struck the child, who was identified as Marquel Peters. "It's hard. He was my only child. He was only 4. He was a smart little boy, he was so sweet," said his mother, Nathalee Peters. She said Friday night that she still can't believe it happened. "I heard a little sound like a 'pink.' I heard him scream a little bit, so I looked around to hand him the game and that's when I saw the blood," she said. "I tried to pick him up and then, he was losing consciousness and he was just breaking and going down. It was so hard." DeKalb County police said they thought at first that debris from the roof fell and hit Marquel. But the medical examiner found the bullet in the boy's head when he performed the autopsy. Nathalee Peters wants the person who fired the gun to turn himself in. "I want to say to the person responsible for this please come forward or whoever out there know something about who did this to my son, please come forward and say something. We need justice," she said. What sort of weapon was responsible for this? What did it cost.... Why do you make such a connection? The vast availability of weapons, especially cheap ones, has flooded the market with availability. It sets the bar for being armed. One weapon doesn't make a differents. Millions do. It surprises me you've taken such a short view but it seems your normal powers of logic get stymied when it comes to religious arguments. I have not seen cheap guns in years. |
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On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:31:36 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:25:57 -0500, Gene wrote: On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:07:49 -0800, jps wrote: I think not. Why do we let manufacturers flood the market with cheap weapons? DECATUR, Ga. -- A 4-year-old boy who was struck by a stray bullet while at church died Friday. The incident happened around midnight Friday during a New Year's Eve watch service at the Covington Drive Church Of God of Prophecy in Decatur. It was not immediately clear who fired the shot that came through the roof of the church and struck the child, who was identified as Marquel Peters. "It's hard. He was my only child. He was only 4. He was a smart little boy, he was so sweet," said his mother, Nathalee Peters. She said Friday night that she still can't believe it happened. "I heard a little sound like a 'pink.' I heard him scream a little bit, so I looked around to hand him the game and that's when I saw the blood," she said. "I tried to pick him up and then, he was losing consciousness and he was just breaking and going down. It was so hard." DeKalb County police said they thought at first that debris from the roof fell and hit Marquel. But the medical examiner found the bullet in the boy's head when he performed the autopsy. Nathalee Peters wants the person who fired the gun to turn himself in. "I want to say to the person responsible for this please come forward or whoever out there know something about who did this to my son, please come forward and say something. We need justice," she said. What sort of weapon was responsible for this? What did it cost.... Why do you make such a connection? The vast availability of weapons, especially cheap ones, has flooded the market with availability. It sets the bar for being armed. One weapon doesn't make a differents. Millions do. It surprises me you've taken such a short view but it seems your normal powers of logic get stymied when it comes to religious arguments. I have not seen cheap guns in years. Does that mean they're not out there? Did they rust? Fail because of overuse? Too many thrown in the river? Turned in for rewards? Any idea how many hand guns have been manufactured and sold in the US in the past 20 years? |
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jps wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:31:36 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:25:57 -0500, Gene wrote: On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:07:49 -0800, jps wrote: I think not. Why do we let manufacturers flood the market with cheap weapons? DECATUR, Ga. -- A 4-year-old boy who was struck by a stray bullet while at church died Friday. The incident happened around midnight Friday during a New Year's Eve watch service at the Covington Drive Church Of God of Prophecy in Decatur. It was not immediately clear who fired the shot that came through the roof of the church and struck the child, who was identified as Marquel Peters. "It's hard. He was my only child. He was only 4. He was a smart little boy, he was so sweet," said his mother, Nathalee Peters. She said Friday night that she still can't believe it happened. "I heard a little sound like a 'pink.' I heard him scream a little bit, so I looked around to hand him the game and that's when I saw the blood," she said. "I tried to pick him up and then, he was losing consciousness and he was just breaking and going down. It was so hard." DeKalb County police said they thought at first that debris from the roof fell and hit Marquel. But the medical examiner found the bullet in the boy's head when he performed the autopsy. Nathalee Peters wants the person who fired the gun to turn himself in. "I want to say to the person responsible for this please come forward or whoever out there know something about who did this to my son, please come forward and say something. We need justice," she said. What sort of weapon was responsible for this? What did it cost.... Why do you make such a connection? The vast availability of weapons, especially cheap ones, has flooded the market with availability. It sets the bar for being armed. One weapon doesn't make a differents. Millions do. It surprises me you've taken such a short view but it seems your normal powers of logic get stymied when it comes to religious arguments. I have not seen cheap guns in years. Does that mean they're not out there? Did they rust? Fail because of overuse? Too many thrown in the river? Turned in for rewards? Any idea how many hand guns have been manufactured and sold in the US in the past 20 years? There are plenty of cheap guns out there, both in the legal gun market, and in the shady "Virginia gun show" type of market. By cheap, I mean under $100. Hell, the NRA used to sell its members a ..45 1911 for $100. There's a former Sov bloc PPK knockoff out there that I've seen sold for $75. |
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"Gene" wrote Any idea how many hand guns have been manufactured and sold in the US in the past 20 years? Not nearly enough to drive the price down to make them cheap..... Who would want a cheap gun? You can get a good gun on the street for a cheap price. No waiting period. No paperwork. Steve |
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"Gene" wrote in message ... On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 07:43:59 -0800, "Steve B" wrote: "Gene" wrote Any idea how many hand guns have been manufactured and sold in the US in the past 20 years? Not nearly enough to drive the price down to make them cheap..... Who would want a cheap gun? You can get a good gun on the street for a cheap price. No waiting period. No paperwork. Steve And you can steal one for an even better price..... or if you are so inclined, just pick out an undefended house and take everything you want..... So, help me with the math on this. I can go spend $800 on a "good" gun. Or I can buy the same gun on the street for $100 or less. Or I can get it for free. Wait. Wait. I know the answer to this one........... and the good thing is that I don't have to settle for some "cheap" gun. Steve |
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Bill McKee wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:25:57 -0500, Gene wrote: On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:07:49 -0800, jps wrote: I think not. Why do we let manufacturers flood the market with cheap weapons? DECATUR, Ga. -- A 4-year-old boy who was struck by a stray bullet while at church died Friday. The incident happened around midnight Friday during a New Year's Eve watch service at the Covington Drive Church Of God of Prophecy in Decatur. It was not immediately clear who fired the shot that came through the roof of the church and struck the child, who was identified as Marquel Peters. "It's hard. He was my only child. He was only 4. He was a smart little boy, he was so sweet," said his mother, Nathalee Peters. She said Friday night that she still can't believe it happened. "I heard a little sound like a 'pink.' I heard him scream a little bit, so I looked around to hand him the game and that's when I saw the blood," she said. "I tried to pick him up and then, he was losing consciousness and he was just breaking and going down. It was so hard." DeKalb County police said they thought at first that debris from the roof fell and hit Marquel. But the medical examiner found the bullet in the boy's head when he performed the autopsy. Nathalee Peters wants the person who fired the gun to turn himself in. "I want to say to the person responsible for this please come forward or whoever out there know something about who did this to my son, please come forward and say something. We need justice," she said. What sort of weapon was responsible for this? What did it cost.... Why do you make such a connection? The vast availability of weapons, especially cheap ones, has flooded the market with availability. It sets the bar for being armed. One weapon doesn't make a differents. Millions do. It surprises me you've taken such a short view but it seems your normal powers of logic get stymied when it comes to religious arguments. I have not seen cheap guns in years. Go to a gun show in Virginia. Plenty of working firearms for sale for $100 or less, and you can find individuals who will sell you one without bothering with the federal instant check. |
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Gene wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 06:52:16 -0500, Harry wrote: Bill McKee wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:25:57 -0500, Gene wrote: On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:07:49 -0800, jps wrote: I think not. Why do we let manufacturers flood the market with cheap weapons? DECATUR, Ga. -- A 4-year-old boy who was struck by a stray bullet while at church died Friday. The incident happened around midnight Friday during a New Year's Eve watch service at the Covington Drive Church Of God of Prophecy in Decatur. It was not immediately clear who fired the shot that came through the roof of the church and struck the child, who was identified as Marquel Peters. "It's hard. He was my only child. He was only 4. He was a smart little boy, he was so sweet," said his mother, Nathalee Peters. She said Friday night that she still can't believe it happened. "I heard a little sound like a 'pink.' I heard him scream a little bit, so I looked around to hand him the game and that's when I saw the blood," she said. "I tried to pick him up and then, he was losing consciousness and he was just breaking and going down. It was so hard." DeKalb County police said they thought at first that debris from the roof fell and hit Marquel. But the medical examiner found the bullet in the boy's head when he performed the autopsy. Nathalee Peters wants the person who fired the gun to turn himself in. "I want to say to the person responsible for this please come forward or whoever out there know something about who did this to my son, please come forward and say something. We need justice," she said. What sort of weapon was responsible for this? What did it cost.... Why do you make such a connection? The vast availability of weapons, especially cheap ones, has flooded the market with availability. It sets the bar for being armed. One weapon doesn't make a differents. Millions do. It surprises me you've taken such a short view but it seems your normal powers of logic get stymied when it comes to religious arguments. I have not seen cheap guns in years. Go to a gun show in Virginia. Plenty of working firearms for sale for $100 or less, and you can find individuals who will sell you one without bothering with the federal instant check. I'm gonna have to check that out! It's the gun show loophole. Plenty of unlicensed dealers roaming around who legally will sell you about anything you want, and many will not push even for ID. It's been documented many times. |
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"Harry" wrote in message m... Gene wrote: On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 06:52:16 -0500, Harry wrote: Bill McKee wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:25:57 -0500, Gene wrote: On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:07:49 -0800, jps wrote: I think not. Why do we let manufacturers flood the market with cheap weapons? DECATUR, Ga. -- A 4-year-old boy who was struck by a stray bullet while at church died Friday. The incident happened around midnight Friday during a New Year's Eve watch service at the Covington Drive Church Of God of Prophecy in Decatur. It was not immediately clear who fired the shot that came through the roof of the church and struck the child, who was identified as Marquel Peters. "It's hard. He was my only child. He was only 4. He was a smart little boy, he was so sweet," said his mother, Nathalee Peters. She said Friday night that she still can't believe it happened. "I heard a little sound like a 'pink.' I heard him scream a little bit, so I looked around to hand him the game and that's when I saw the blood," she said. "I tried to pick him up and then, he was losing consciousness and he was just breaking and going down. It was so hard." DeKalb County police said they thought at first that debris from the roof fell and hit Marquel. But the medical examiner found the bullet in the boy's head when he performed the autopsy. Nathalee Peters wants the person who fired the gun to turn himself in. "I want to say to the person responsible for this please come forward or whoever out there know something about who did this to my son, please come forward and say something. We need justice," she said. What sort of weapon was responsible for this? What did it cost.... Why do you make such a connection? The vast availability of weapons, especially cheap ones, has flooded the market with availability. It sets the bar for being armed. One weapon doesn't make a differents. Millions do. It surprises me you've taken such a short view but it seems your normal powers of logic get stymied when it comes to religious arguments. I have not seen cheap guns in years. Go to a gun show in Virginia. Plenty of working firearms for sale for $100 or less, and you can find individuals who will sell you one without bothering with the federal instant check. I'm gonna have to check that out! It's the gun show loophole. Plenty of unlicensed dealers roaming around who legally will sell you about anything you want, and many will not push even for ID. It's been documented many times. They can sell you one at their house, your house, anywhere. At least in some states, sales between two individuals are not regulated. Nevada for one. California not. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "Harry" wrote in message m... Gene wrote: On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 06:52:16 -0500, Harry wrote: Bill McKee wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:25:57 -0500, Gene wrote: On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:07:49 -0800, jps wrote: I think not. Why do we let manufacturers flood the market with cheap weapons? DECATUR, Ga. -- A 4-year-old boy who was struck by a stray bullet while at church died Friday. The incident happened around midnight Friday during a New Year's Eve watch service at the Covington Drive Church Of God of Prophecy in Decatur. It was not immediately clear who fired the shot that came through the roof of the church and struck the child, who was identified as Marquel Peters. "It's hard. He was my only child. He was only 4. He was a smart little boy, he was so sweet," said his mother, Nathalee Peters. She said Friday night that she still can't believe it happened. "I heard a little sound like a 'pink.' I heard him scream a little bit, so I looked around to hand him the game and that's when I saw the blood," she said. "I tried to pick him up and then, he was losing consciousness and he was just breaking and going down. It was so hard." DeKalb County police said they thought at first that debris from the roof fell and hit Marquel. But the medical examiner found the bullet in the boy's head when he performed the autopsy. Nathalee Peters wants the person who fired the gun to turn himself in. "I want to say to the person responsible for this please come forward or whoever out there know something about who did this to my son, please come forward and say something. We need justice," she said. What sort of weapon was responsible for this? What did it cost.... Why do you make such a connection? The vast availability of weapons, especially cheap ones, has flooded the market with availability. It sets the bar for being armed. One weapon doesn't make a differents. Millions do. It surprises me you've taken such a short view but it seems your normal powers of logic get stymied when it comes to religious arguments. I have not seen cheap guns in years. Go to a gun show in Virginia. Plenty of working firearms for sale for $100 or less, and you can find individuals who will sell you one without bothering with the federal instant check. I'm gonna have to check that out! It's the gun show loophole. Plenty of unlicensed dealers roaming around who legally will sell you about anything you want, and many will not push even for ID. It's been documented many times. They can sell you one at their house, your house, anywhere. At least in some states, sales between two individuals are not regulated. Nevada for one. California not. Comments from a Nevada resident: Yes, SOME Nevada laws are lax. However, the database is good. So, if you do buy a gun, you are SUPPOSED to go with the seller and fill out the paperwork to transfer registration into your name. If the seller will not or cannot do this, you can fill out another paper stating where you got it, circumstances, etc, when you do go register it. This is supposedly so that if the gun is stolen, it will be easier to trace. If the gun you are trying to register is bad, you will know instantly, it will be impounded, and you will have several hours to explain yourself. If you ever have a gun come up during a "situation", they will bounce the number off the system, and if it is a bad gun you bought on a kitchen table deal, you just bought a lot of trouble, i.e. possession of a stolen firearm, possession of a weapon used in a felony, and others. Nevada has castle laws regarding weapons carried in cars, and owners can carry unregistered firearms in cars. But upon a traffic stop, the officer has the right to inspect the gun and run the number. That is, if you've told him about it. If you haven't, you are flirting with carrying a concealed weapon without a permit, depending on the officers' PMS level at the time. They are particularly ****y about finding a gun in a car when they specifically ask you if one is there and you say no. I bought guns at gun shows, and had to wait a week, then pick it up at a licensed gun shop in Nevada. But that just has to do with LEGAL guns and transactions. I believe what I said above to be the facts, but they might not be acceptable enough for the anal in the group. So, the best way to do it is to go to the PD and ask. That is, unless you're one of the types that's gonna do it your way. Steve |
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