Impeach em all!
 

On 30/12/2009 10:13 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 8:26 PM, Harry wrote:
Rob wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700,
wrote:

On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887

What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they
schedule
hearings on a college football playoff system.

Fire them all for incompetence!
They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100
billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran
out of credit.
No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's
own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it
works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey,
and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of
Sports
Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more
underlings.

It's the socialist way.
I hope they play football.

As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout
Warren
Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and
homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in
this
failing economy of debt and corruption.

And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt
corporations
and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross
negligence.
No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not
one
GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say
fraud
as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement
of the
books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension.

Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder
where it
went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic
experts and
turn GM& GMAC upside down.

This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle,
Cerberus,
CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad.

It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're
doing it
I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing.

I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which
impresses me
and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings.


There's a half price sale on Pontiacs and Saturns.

I have two German cars and both impress me whenever I drive them!




You have two ersatz german cars made in the carolinas, dip****.
Real BMW's are made in germany.

German engineered and non-union built. Imported senior management too I
bet.


I don't know where it was built... US I guess. Don't care if it's union or
not. My mom has a Ford sedan and really loves it. That was union built for
sure.

Who cares if it is truly a good auto made by reputable people. Although
I slighted CAW/UAW, my F150 is a great truck. Just that their
reputation is shot because UAW/CAW played their part in extorting tax
dollars. But still, a great truck and plan on keeping it, just not
buying more UAW/CAW.

Impeach em all!
 

On 30/12/2009 10:16 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 6:43 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700,
wrote:

On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887

What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they
schedule
hearings on a college football playoff system.

Fire them all for incompetence!

They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100
billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran
out of credit.

No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's
own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it
works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey,
and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports
Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more
underlings.

It's the socialist way.

I hope they play football.

As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout
Warren
Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and
homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in
this
failing economy of debt and corruption.

And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations
and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence.
No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one
GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud
as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of
the
books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension.

Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where
it
went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts
and
turn GM& GMAC upside down.

This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus,
CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad.


It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing
it
I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing.

I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses
me
and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings.

Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What is it
morally or ethically correct to tax people for corprations with malace and
negligence operate a company beyond bankruptcy and in a material way that
is in fact fraud?

What justifies it? Saving a few jobs? For what this is costing the
taxpayers it would be cheaper to put them all on unemployment benefits for
10 years or more if needed and conficate the assets in chapter 7 for
recovery of what is left.

And who is bailing out he other 98% that lost jobs? How many will loose
jobs, have lower wages, lesser prospect for decades as the mountain of
liberal debt gets a good tax rape on business and individual taxes? On,
banks will win, that is why the biggest debtor, goverment wants them.

I don't think it is about jobs. It is about congress/government not doing
the job of shutting down the GMs and the Chrylsers some 5 to 8 years ago
as they have been bankrupt for a very long time. It is about rich cats
like Buffet and the client lists of Carlyle and Cerberus calling
politicians with gentle conversations about who to donate to. It is about
spining a good BS story that GM is too big to die.

GM isn't too big to die. At least two other larger companies than GM died
without bailouts and the sky didn't fall. Thousands of others have died
and it doesn't even make the papers. Many died and unemployed thousands
without bailouts before GM bankruptcy because they couldn't force GM to
pay it's damned bills.

In part, this is about a growning reality that the American system has
become corrupt. No different than a Chavez or Castro. Castro
nationalized. How does Chavez taking Connoco Phillips assets and asking
people to work for less and different than what Washington DC is doing
with taxations and GM/GMAC and others?

Freaking bunch of hypocrits.


Unfortunately, the bailouts started during the last administration. In for a
penny, in for a pound? I wasn't a big fan of it either, but there was a
cogent argument for it then and now. At this point, the economy is still so
fragile that letting a big company like GM or big banks go under would
undermine the situation even more, especially on the jobs front, which is
awful.

Actually, you are right.

I started in congress and the senate, democrat dominated and they really
wanted to send a bailout package to the administration. But given 79%
of Americans were dead against the idea of public taxes for private
business it chilled many into cold feet as to actually producing a bill
to do it legal. Does not mean they didn't support it, just means they
didn't want the heat for it with their names on such an unpopular package.

Bush initially didn't want to have any part of using public taxes to
finance private business, I say initially because at some point Obama
and congress talked Bush into starting the ball rolling. Being a lame
president Bush could take the heat that congress and the senators were
reluctant to take.

Obama was right in there like a dirty sock saying we needed it long
before he hit office. In fact, that was just about when the markets
crashed is when Obama was talking bailout and it looked like he might
win. And when TARP was misapproriated for auto, which was never in the
original TARP package, we didn't hear a peep from democrat dimwits in
congress or the senate as in reality, the million and billionaire made
sure the donations were a flowing.

Part of why Bush Jr was so for it in the end as being a lame president
he could make lots of rich buddies. Maybe like Carlyle did with bush
senior, especially since Carlyle has links to GM and Bush Sr.

And the bailout funds moved right along. No interruption in the
corruption process. Believe it or not, when it looked like Obama wasn't
going to be so corrupted, I acktually was rooting for him. But turning
orporate/billionaire savior, sorry - he lost me.

Senators and congress people facing 2010 now want to skirt this issue of
their quiet support of the largest corruption and pork package in US
history. Votors I hope will see this in 2010, and get these arses out
of their seats. They misrepresented the people of the United States.
Tme they got fired and replaced.

I am of the belief that using the taxpayer funds and public debt
financed moeys is nothing more than indentured taxation slavery for
corporations. The same reason United States sought independance from
Britan. Welcome to the new world order fellow tax saves, those scifi
movies of corporations running the world were not far off, they are in
your pocket and many are just too stupid to see why it is so wrong.

Impeach em all!
 

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 10:13 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 8:26 PM, Harry wrote:
Rob wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700,
wrote:

On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887

What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down,
they
schedule
hearings on a college football playoff system.

Fire them all for incompetence!
They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100
billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they
ran
out of credit.
No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with
it's
own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it
works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball,
hockey,
and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of
Sports
Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more
underlings.

It's the socialist way.
I hope they play football.

As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout
Warren
Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and
homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in
this
failing economy of debt and corruption.

And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt
corporations
and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross
negligence.
No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not
one
GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say
fraud
as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement
of the
books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension.

Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder
where it
went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic
experts and
turn GM& GMAC upside down.

This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle,
Cerberus,
CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad.

It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're
doing it
I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing.

I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which
impresses me
and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings.


There's a half price sale on Pontiacs and Saturns.

I have two German cars and both impress me whenever I drive them!




You have two ersatz german cars made in the carolinas, dip****.
Real BMW's are made in germany.

German engineered and non-union built. Imported senior management too I
bet.


I don't know where it was built... US I guess. Don't care if it's union
or
not. My mom has a Ford sedan and really loves it. That was union built
for
sure.

Who cares if it is truly a good auto made by reputable people. Although I
slighted CAW/UAW, my F150 is a great truck. Just that their reputation is
shot because UAW/CAW played their part in extorting tax dollars. But
still, a great truck and plan on keeping it, just not buying more UAW/CAW.



Exactly. Who cares, yet you go on to say you wouldn't by another. Confusing.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Impeach em all!
 

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 10:16 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 6:43 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700,
wrote:

On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887

What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they
schedule
hearings on a college football playoff system.

Fire them all for incompetence!

They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100
billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they
ran
out of credit.

No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's
own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it
works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey,
and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of
Sports
Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more
underlings.

It's the socialist way.

I hope they play football.

As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout
Warren
Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and
homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in
this
failing economy of debt and corruption.

And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt
corporations
and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross
negligence.
No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not
one
GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say
fraud
as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of
the
books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension.

Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where
it
went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts
and
turn GM& GMAC upside down.

This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle,
Cerberus,
CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad.


It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're
doing
it
I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing.

I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which
impresses
me
and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings.

Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What is
it
morally or ethically correct to tax people for corprations with malace
and
negligence operate a company beyond bankruptcy and in a material way
that
is in fact fraud?

What justifies it? Saving a few jobs? For what this is costing the
taxpayers it would be cheaper to put them all on unemployment benefits
for
10 years or more if needed and conficate the assets in chapter 7 for
recovery of what is left.

And who is bailing out he other 98% that lost jobs? How many will loose
jobs, have lower wages, lesser prospect for decades as the mountain of
liberal debt gets a good tax rape on business and individual taxes? On,
banks will win, that is why the biggest debtor, goverment wants them.

I don't think it is about jobs. It is about congress/government not
doing
the job of shutting down the GMs and the Chrylsers some 5 to 8 years ago
as they have been bankrupt for a very long time. It is about rich cats
like Buffet and the client lists of Carlyle and Cerberus calling
politicians with gentle conversations about who to donate to. It is
about
spining a good BS story that GM is too big to die.

GM isn't too big to die. At least two other larger companies than GM
died
without bailouts and the sky didn't fall. Thousands of others have died
and it doesn't even make the papers. Many died and unemployed thousands
without bailouts before GM bankruptcy because they couldn't force GM to
pay it's damned bills.

In part, this is about a growning reality that the American system has
become corrupt. No different than a Chavez or Castro. Castro
nationalized. How does Chavez taking Connoco Phillips assets and asking
people to work for less and different than what Washington DC is doing
with taxations and GM/GMAC and others?

Freaking bunch of hypocrits.


Unfortunately, the bailouts started during the last administration. In
for a
penny, in for a pound? I wasn't a big fan of it either, but there was a
cogent argument for it then and now. At this point, the economy is still
so
fragile that letting a big company like GM or big banks go under would
undermine the situation even more, especially on the jobs front, which is
awful.

Actually, you are right.

I started in congress and the senate, democrat dominated and they really
wanted to send a bailout package to the administration. But given 79% of
Americans were dead against the idea of public taxes for private business
it chilled many into cold feet as to actually producing a bill to do it
legal. Does not mean they didn't support it, just means they didn't want
the heat for it with their names on such an unpopular package.

Bush initially didn't want to have any part of using public taxes to
finance private business, I say initially because at some point Obama and
congress talked Bush into starting the ball rolling. Being a lame
president Bush could take the heat that congress and the senators were
reluctant to take.

Obama had zero influence on Bush. Anyone who believes that believes in the
Fairy God Mother. Paulson and friends convinced him.


Obama was right in there like a dirty sock saying we needed it long before
he hit office. In fact, that was just about when the markets crashed is
when Obama was talking bailout and it looked like he might win. And when
TARP was misapproriated for auto, which was never in the original TARP
package, we didn't hear a peep from democrat dimwits in congress or the
senate as in reality, the million and billionaire made sure the donations
were a flowing.

Saying we needed and influencing Bush are two diff. things. Lots of people
said we need things Bush wasn't doing. Had no effect whatsoever.


Part of why Bush Jr was so for it in the end as being a lame president he
could make lots of rich buddies. Maybe like Carlyle did with bush senior,
especially since Carlyle has links to GM and Bush Sr.

Yes. Exactly.


And the bailout funds moved right along. No interruption in the
corruption process. Believe it or not, when it looked like Obama wasn't
going to be so corrupted, I acktually was rooting for him. But turning
orporate/billionaire savior, sorry - he lost me.

There were a lot more controls put on the money after he took office. Not
enough of them, but it was better than before.


Senators and congress people facing 2010 now want to skirt this issue of
their quiet support of the largest corruption and pork package in US
history. Votors I hope will see this in 2010, and get these arses out of
their seats. They misrepresented the people of the United States. Tme
they got fired and replaced.

I am of the belief that using the taxpayer funds and public debt financed
moeys is nothing more than indentured taxation slavery for corporations.
The same reason United States sought independance from Britan. Welcome to
the new world order fellow tax saves, those scifi movies of corporations
running the world were not far off, they are in your pocket and many are
just too stupid to see why it is so wrong.

Well, that's an extreme view, and not really justifiable. We should limit
funds and debt for corps, but claiming all money used that way is wrong
isn't right either.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Impeach em all!
 

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 10:17 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 6:20 PM, Harry wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:

This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle,
Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad.

A. No one cares what you buy or don't buy.

B. I doubt your monthly social security payment will cover the cost of
any new car.

Ditto for you too.

But you seem to have a hard time admitting America is getting hoodwinked
but Obama and democrat buddies in the Senate and Congress.

Unless of course you truly believe the US treasury should be used to
prop
up failing corporations and private interests gone bad.

Which would also make you a supporter of Marxism and Chavez....

What is the difference between Chevez and obama again?


You need to get off your high horse of Obama doing bad things. He's doing
the best he can with a lousy hand. Thanks GWB!

Like I said about lib-dims, first the promises now the excuses.


Like I said about you, you have no stake in the country, you left, so what's
your beef?

--
Nom=de=Plume

Impeach em all!
 

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 10:13 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 8:26 PM, Harry wrote:
Rob wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700,
wrote:

On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887

What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down,
they
schedule
hearings on a college football playoff system.

Fire them all for incompetence!
They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100
billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they
ran
out of credit.
No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with
it's
own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it
works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball,
hockey,
and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of
Sports
Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more
underlings.

It's the socialist way.
I hope they play football.

As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout
Warren
Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and
homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in
this
failing economy of debt and corruption.

And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt
corporations
and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross
negligence.
No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not
one
GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say
fraud
as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement
of the
books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension.

Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder
where it
went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic
experts and
turn GM& GMAC upside down.

This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle,
Cerberus,
CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad.
It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're
doing it
I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing.

I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which
impresses me
and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings.

There's a half price sale on Pontiacs and Saturns.

I have two German cars and both impress me whenever I drive them!



You have two ersatz german cars made in the carolinas, dip****.
Real BMW's are made in germany.
German engineered and non-union built. Imported senior management too I
bet.

I don't know where it was built... US I guess. Don't care if it's union
or
not. My mom has a Ford sedan and really loves it. That was union built
for
sure.
Who cares if it is truly a good auto made by reputable people. Although I
slighted CAW/UAW, my F150 is a great truck. Just that their reputation is
shot because UAW/CAW played their part in extorting tax dollars. But
still, a great truck and plan on keeping it, just not buying more UAW/CAW.



Exactly. Who cares, yet you go on to say you wouldn't by another. Confusing.

Read it again slowly. Run your finger along as you read if you need to.
And here's the important part. Read the whole message before you fire
off a snappy remark.
I usually charge a fee but consider this pro bono me to you.

--

I get so upset by these spoofers, that I think I am going to make more
crossposts between rec.boats and numerous unrelated newsgroups, because
at least that is not detrimental to rec.boats. This group needs some
new blood, and that is always a good way to get some new posters who
enjoy boating as much as i do.

Impeach em all!
 

On 31/12/2009 11:43 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 10:16 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 6:43 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700,
wrote:

On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887

What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they
schedule
hearings on a college football playoff system.

Fire them all for incompetence!

They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100
billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they
ran
out of credit.

No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's
own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it
works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey,
and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of
Sports
Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more
underlings.

It's the socialist way.

I hope they play football.

As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout
Warren
Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and
homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in
this
failing economy of debt and corruption.

And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt
corporations
and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross
negligence.
No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not
one
GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say
fraud
as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of
the
books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension.

Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where
it
went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts
and
turn GM& GMAC upside down.

This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle,
Cerberus,
CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad.


It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're
doing
it
I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing.

I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which
impresses
me
and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings.

Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What is
it
morally or ethically correct to tax people for corprations with malace
and
negligence operate a company beyond bankruptcy and in a material way
that
is in fact fraud?

What justifies it? Saving a few jobs? For what this is costing the
taxpayers it would be cheaper to put them all on unemployment benefits
for
10 years or more if needed and conficate the assets in chapter 7 for
recovery of what is left.

And who is bailing out he other 98% that lost jobs? How many will loose
jobs, have lower wages, lesser prospect for decades as the mountain of
liberal debt gets a good tax rape on business and individual taxes? On,
banks will win, that is why the biggest debtor, goverment wants them.

I don't think it is about jobs. It is about congress/government not
doing
the job of shutting down the GMs and the Chrylsers some 5 to 8 years ago
as they have been bankrupt for a very long time. It is about rich cats
like Buffet and the client lists of Carlyle and Cerberus calling
politicians with gentle conversations about who to donate to. It is
about
spining a good BS story that GM is too big to die.

GM isn't too big to die. At least two other larger companies than GM
died
without bailouts and the sky didn't fall. Thousands of others have died
and it doesn't even make the papers. Many died and unemployed thousands
without bailouts before GM bankruptcy because they couldn't force GM to
pay it's damned bills.

In part, this is about a growning reality that the American system has
become corrupt. No different than a Chavez or Castro. Castro
nationalized. How does Chavez taking Connoco Phillips assets and asking
people to work for less and different than what Washington DC is doing
with taxations and GM/GMAC and others?

Freaking bunch of hypocrits.


Unfortunately, the bailouts started during the last administration. In
for a
penny, in for a pound? I wasn't a big fan of it either, but there was a
cogent argument for it then and now. At this point, the economy is still
so
fragile that letting a big company like GM or big banks go under would
undermine the situation even more, especially on the jobs front, which is
awful.

Actually, you are right.

I started in congress and the senate, democrat dominated and they really
wanted to send a bailout package to the administration. But given 79% of
Americans were dead against the idea of public taxes for private business
it chilled many into cold feet as to actually producing a bill to do it
legal. Does not mean they didn't support it, just means they didn't want
the heat for it with their names on such an unpopular package.

Bush initially didn't want to have any part of using public taxes to
finance private business, I say initially because at some point Obama and
congress talked Bush into starting the ball rolling. Being a lame
president Bush could take the heat that congress and the senators were
reluctant to take.

Obama had zero influence on Bush. Anyone who believes that believes in the
Fairy God Mother. Paulson and friends convinced him.


Obama was right in there like a dirty sock saying we needed it long before
he hit office. In fact, that was just about when the markets crashed is
when Obama was talking bailout and it looked like he might win. And when
TARP was misapproriated for auto, which was never in the original TARP
package, we didn't hear a peep from democrat dimwits in congress or the
senate as in reality, the million and billionaire made sure the donations
were a flowing.

Saying we needed and influencing Bush are two diff. things. Lots of people
said we need things Bush wasn't doing. Had no effect whatsoever.


Part of why Bush Jr was so for it in the end as being a lame president he
could make lots of rich buddies. Maybe like Carlyle did with bush senior,
especially since Carlyle has links to GM and Bush Sr.

Yes. Exactly.


And the bailout funds moved right along. No interruption in the
corruption process. Believe it or not, when it looked like Obama wasn't
going to be so corrupted, I acktually was rooting for him. But turning
orporate/billionaire savior, sorry - he lost me.

There were a lot more controls put on the money after he took office. Not
enough of them, but it was better than before.


Senators and congress people facing 2010 now want to skirt this issue of
their quiet support of the largest corruption and pork package in US
history. Votors I hope will see this in 2010, and get these arses out of
their seats. They misrepresented the people of the United States. Tme
they got fired and replaced.

I am of the belief that using the taxpayer funds and public debt financed
moeys is nothing more than indentured taxation slavery for corporations.
The same reason United States sought independance from Britan. Welcome to
the new world order fellow tax saves, those scifi movies of corporations
running the world were not far off, they are in your pocket and many are
just too stupid to see why it is so wrong.

Well, that's an extreme view, and not really justifiable. We should limit
funds and debt for corps, but claiming all money used that way is wrong
isn't right either.

Hardly extreme view at all. The United States didn't like paying
British taxes. So a revolution occured.

Or is the part where corporations now get a portion of the taxes people
pay.

It is reality. Part of every American and Canadian pay cheque now goes
to private corporations.

For that, they all should be recalled, impeached and openly flogged.

Impeach em all!
 

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On 31/12/2009 11:43 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 30/12/2009 10:16 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 30/12/2009 6:43 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700,
wrote:

On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887

What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down,
they
schedule
hearings on a college football playoff system.

Fire them all for incompetence!

They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100
billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they
ran
out of credit.

No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with
it's
own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it
works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball,
hockey,
and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of
Sports
Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more
underlings.

It's the socialist way.

I hope they play football.

As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout
Warren
Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and
homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in
this
failing economy of debt and corruption.

And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt
corporations
and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross
negligence.
No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not
one
GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say
fraud
as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement
of
the
books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension.

Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder
where
it
went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic
experts
and
turn GM& GMAC upside down.

This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle,
Cerberus,
CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad.


It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're
doing
it
I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing.

I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which
impresses
me
and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings.

Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What is
it
morally or ethically correct to tax people for corprations with malace
and
negligence operate a company beyond bankruptcy and in a material way
that
is in fact fraud?

What justifies it? Saving a few jobs? For what this is costing the
taxpayers it would be cheaper to put them all on unemployment benefits
for
10 years or more if needed and conficate the assets in chapter 7 for
recovery of what is left.

And who is bailing out he other 98% that lost jobs? How many will
loose
jobs, have lower wages, lesser prospect for decades as the mountain of
liberal debt gets a good tax rape on business and individual taxes?
On,
banks will win, that is why the biggest debtor, goverment wants them.

I don't think it is about jobs. It is about congress/government not
doing
the job of shutting down the GMs and the Chrylsers some 5 to 8 years
ago
as they have been bankrupt for a very long time. It is about rich
cats
like Buffet and the client lists of Carlyle and Cerberus calling
politicians with gentle conversations about who to donate to. It is
about
spining a good BS story that GM is too big to die.

GM isn't too big to die. At least two other larger companies than GM
died
without bailouts and the sky didn't fall. Thousands of others have
died
and it doesn't even make the papers. Many died and unemployed
thousands
without bailouts before GM bankruptcy because they couldn't force GM
to
pay it's damned bills.

In part, this is about a growning reality that the American system has
become corrupt. No different than a Chavez or Castro. Castro
nationalized. How does Chavez taking Connoco Phillips assets and
asking
people to work for less and different than what Washington DC is doing
with taxations and GM/GMAC and others?

Freaking bunch of hypocrits.


Unfortunately, the bailouts started during the last administration. In
for a
penny, in for a pound? I wasn't a big fan of it either, but there was a
cogent argument for it then and now. At this point, the economy is
still
so
fragile that letting a big company like GM or big banks go under would
undermine the situation even more, especially on the jobs front, which
is
awful.

Actually, you are right.

I started in congress and the senate, democrat dominated and they really
wanted to send a bailout package to the administration. But given 79%
of
Americans were dead against the idea of public taxes for private
business
it chilled many into cold feet as to actually producing a bill to do it
legal. Does not mean they didn't support it, just means they didn't
want
the heat for it with their names on such an unpopular package.

Bush initially didn't want to have any part of using public taxes to
finance private business, I say initially because at some point Obama
and
congress talked Bush into starting the ball rolling. Being a lame
president Bush could take the heat that congress and the senators were
reluctant to take.

Obama had zero influence on Bush. Anyone who believes that believes in
the
Fairy God Mother. Paulson and friends convinced him.


Obama was right in there like a dirty sock saying we needed it long
before
he hit office. In fact, that was just about when the markets crashed is
when Obama was talking bailout and it looked like he might win. And
when
TARP was misapproriated for auto, which was never in the original TARP
package, we didn't hear a peep from democrat dimwits in congress or the
senate as in reality, the million and billionaire made sure the
donations
were a flowing.

Saying we needed and influencing Bush are two diff. things. Lots of
people
said we need things Bush wasn't doing. Had no effect whatsoever.


Part of why Bush Jr was so for it in the end as being a lame president
he
could make lots of rich buddies. Maybe like Carlyle did with bush
senior,
especially since Carlyle has links to GM and Bush Sr.

Yes. Exactly.


And the bailout funds moved right along. No interruption in the
corruption process. Believe it or not, when it looked like Obama wasn't
going to be so corrupted, I acktually was rooting for him. But turning
orporate/billionaire savior, sorry - he lost me.

There were a lot more controls put on the money after he took office. Not
enough of them, but it was better than before.


Senators and congress people facing 2010 now want to skirt this issue of
their quiet support of the largest corruption and pork package in US
history. Votors I hope will see this in 2010, and get these arses out
of
their seats. They misrepresented the people of the United States. Tme
they got fired and replaced.

I am of the belief that using the taxpayer funds and public debt
financed
moeys is nothing more than indentured taxation slavery for corporations.
The same reason United States sought independance from Britan. Welcome
to
the new world order fellow tax saves, those scifi movies of corporations
running the world were not far off, they are in your pocket and many are
just too stupid to see why it is so wrong.

Well, that's an extreme view, and not really justifiable. We should limit
funds and debt for corps, but claiming all money used that way is wrong
isn't right either.

Hardly extreme view at all. The United States didn't like paying British
taxes. So a revolution occured.

So, you're claiming that a revolution isn't an extreme event?????


Or is the part where corporations now get a portion of the taxes people
pay.

It is reality. Part of every American and Canadian pay cheque now goes to
private corporations.

For that, they all should be recalled, impeached and openly flogged.


Feel free not to pay US taxes. Oh wait, you already split.

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Nom=de=Plume