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m... http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! I don't know about all, but the two congressman would be on my short list. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! Hehe, but they all have bookies to protect. Yes, that seems like a HUGE priority for out government to be concerned with. Carry on boys.... If any one of MY reps spends ANY of time on this at all... they will not have my vote come election time. yikes --Mike |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message m... http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! I don't know about all, but the two congressman would be on my short list. You've checked them all out and there's only two with short ones. Very interesting. -- I get so upset by these spoofers, that I think I am going to make more crossposts between rec.boats and numerous unrelated newsgroups, because at least that is not detrimental to rec.boats. This group needs some new blood, and that is always a good way to get some new posters who enjoy boating as much as i do. |
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. -- John H "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Churchill |
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:13:30 -0500, John H wrote:
It's the socialist way. You would be our resident exbert on socialism. |
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:45:41 -0500, RLM wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:13:30 -0500, John H wrote: It's the socialist way. You would be our resident exbert on socialism. Spelling mistakes are intentional and to be ignored as mis trokes. |
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... On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:13:30 -0500, John H wrote: It's the socialist way. You would be our resident exbert on socialism. Yeah, because he's fresh off the boat from Sweden. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM & GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. |
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This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. A. No one cares what you buy or don't buy. B. I doubt your monthly social security payment will cover the cost of any new car. |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM & GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM & GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. VWs have come a long way since the bug. Congratulations |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. There's a half price sale on Pontiacs and Saturns. I have two German cars and both impress me whenever I drive them! |
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Rob wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. There's a half price sale on Pontiacs and Saturns. I have two German cars and both impress me whenever I drive them! You have two ersatz german cars made in the carolinas, dip****. Real BMW's are made in germany. |
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On 30/12/2009 6:20 PM, Harry wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. A. No one cares what you buy or don't buy. B. I doubt your monthly social security payment will cover the cost of any new car. Ditto for you too. But you seem to have a hard time admitting America is getting hoodwinked but Obama and democrat buddies in the Senate and Congress. Unless of course you truly believe the US treasury should be used to prop up failing corporations and private interests gone bad. Which would also make you a supporter of Marxism and Chavez.... What is the difference between Chevez and obama again? |
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Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/12/2009 6:20 PM, Harry wrote: Canuck57 wrote: This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. A. No one cares what you buy or don't buy. B. I doubt your monthly social security payment will cover the cost of any new car. Ditto for you too. Sorry...I'm not *on* social security. Still actively working. But you seem to have a hard time admitting America is getting hoodwinked but Obama and democrat buddies in the Senate and Congress. We had eight years of Bush-Cheney hoodwinking. What Obama is trying to do is pull us out of the hole Bush put us in. The numbers indicate the Obama plan is beginning to work. |
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On 30/12/2009 6:43 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What is it morally or ethically correct to tax people for corprations with malace and negligence operate a company beyond bankruptcy and in a material way that is in fact fraud? What justifies it? Saving a few jobs? For what this is costing the taxpayers it would be cheaper to put them all on unemployment benefits for 10 years or more if needed and conficate the assets in chapter 7 for recovery of what is left. And who is bailing out he other 98% that lost jobs? How many will loose jobs, have lower wages, lesser prospect for decades as the mountain of liberal debt gets a good tax rape on business and individual taxes? On, banks will win, that is why the biggest debtor, goverment wants them. I don't think it is about jobs. It is about congress/government not doing the job of shutting down the GMs and the Chrylsers some 5 to 8 years ago as they have been bankrupt for a very long time. It is about rich cats like Buffet and the client lists of Carlyle and Cerberus calling politicians with gentle conversations about who to donate to. It is about spining a good BS story that GM is too big to die. GM isn't too big to die. At least two other larger companies than GM died without bailouts and the sky didn't fall. Thousands of others have died and it doesn't even make the papers. Many died and unemployed thousands without bailouts before GM bankruptcy because they couldn't force GM to pay it's damned bills. In part, this is about a growning reality that the American system has become corrupt. No different than a Chavez or Castro. Castro nationalized. How does Chavez taking Connoco Phillips assets and asking people to work for less and different than what Washington DC is doing with taxations and GM/GMAC and others? Freaking bunch of hypocrits. |
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On 30/12/2009 8:26 PM, Harry wrote:
Rob wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. There's a half price sale on Pontiacs and Saturns. I have two German cars and both impress me whenever I drive them! You have two ersatz german cars made in the carolinas, dip****. Real BMW's are made in germany. German engineered and non-union built. Imported senior management too I bet. |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 30/12/2009 8:26 PM, Harry wrote: Rob wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. There's a half price sale on Pontiacs and Saturns. I have two German cars and both impress me whenever I drive them! You have two ersatz german cars made in the carolinas, dip****. Real BMW's are made in germany. German engineered and non-union built. Imported senior management too I bet. I don't know where it was built... US I guess. Don't care if it's union or not. My mom has a Ford sedan and really loves it. That was union built for sure. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 30/12/2009 6:43 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What is it morally or ethically correct to tax people for corprations with malace and negligence operate a company beyond bankruptcy and in a material way that is in fact fraud? What justifies it? Saving a few jobs? For what this is costing the taxpayers it would be cheaper to put them all on unemployment benefits for 10 years or more if needed and conficate the assets in chapter 7 for recovery of what is left. And who is bailing out he other 98% that lost jobs? How many will loose jobs, have lower wages, lesser prospect for decades as the mountain of liberal debt gets a good tax rape on business and individual taxes? On, banks will win, that is why the biggest debtor, goverment wants them. I don't think it is about jobs. It is about congress/government not doing the job of shutting down the GMs and the Chrylsers some 5 to 8 years ago as they have been bankrupt for a very long time. It is about rich cats like Buffet and the client lists of Carlyle and Cerberus calling politicians with gentle conversations about who to donate to. It is about spining a good BS story that GM is too big to die. GM isn't too big to die. At least two other larger companies than GM died without bailouts and the sky didn't fall. Thousands of others have died and it doesn't even make the papers. Many died and unemployed thousands without bailouts before GM bankruptcy because they couldn't force GM to pay it's damned bills. In part, this is about a growning reality that the American system has become corrupt. No different than a Chavez or Castro. Castro nationalized. How does Chavez taking Connoco Phillips assets and asking people to work for less and different than what Washington DC is doing with taxations and GM/GMAC and others? Freaking bunch of hypocrits. Unfortunately, the bailouts started during the last administration. In for a penny, in for a pound? I wasn't a big fan of it either, but there was a cogent argument for it then and now. At this point, the economy is still so fragile that letting a big company like GM or big banks go under would undermine the situation even more, especially on the jobs front, which is awful. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 30/12/2009 6:20 PM, Harry wrote: Canuck57 wrote: This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. A. No one cares what you buy or don't buy. B. I doubt your monthly social security payment will cover the cost of any new car. Ditto for you too. But you seem to have a hard time admitting America is getting hoodwinked but Obama and democrat buddies in the Senate and Congress. Unless of course you truly believe the US treasury should be used to prop up failing corporations and private interests gone bad. Which would also make you a supporter of Marxism and Chavez.... What is the difference between Chevez and obama again? You need to get off your high horse of Obama doing bad things. He's doing the best he can with a lousy hand. Thanks GWB! -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Harry wrote:
Rob wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. There's a half price sale on Pontiacs and Saturns. I have two German cars and both impress me whenever I drive them! You have two ersatz german cars made in the carolinas, dip****. Real BMW's are made in germany. i have a Toyota SUV. It looks so real, i can't tell weather or not it's ersatz. -- I get so upset by these spoofers, that I think I am going to make more crossposts between rec.boats and numerous unrelated newsgroups, because at least that is not detrimental to rec.boats. This group needs some new blood, and that is always a good way to get some new posters who enjoy boating as much as i do. |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 6:20 PM, Harry wrote: Canuck57 wrote: This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. A. No one cares what you buy or don't buy. B. I doubt your monthly social security payment will cover the cost of any new car. Ditto for you too. But you seem to have a hard time admitting America is getting hoodwinked but Obama and democrat buddies in the Senate and Congress. Unless of course you truly believe the US treasury should be used to prop up failing corporations and private interests gone bad. Which would also make you a supporter of Marxism and Chavez.... What is the difference between Chevez and obama again? You need to get off your high horse of Obama doing bad things. He's doing the best he can with a lousy hand. Thanks GWB! Is the best he can do good enough? |
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Harry wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: On 30/12/2009 6:20 PM, Harry wrote: Canuck57 wrote: This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. A. No one cares what you buy or don't buy. B. I doubt your monthly social security payment will cover the cost of any new car. Ditto for you too. Sorry...I'm not *on* social security. Still actively working. But you seem to have a hard time admitting America is getting hoodwinked but Obama and democrat buddies in the Senate and Congress. We had eight years of Bush-Cheney hoodwinking. What Obama is trying to do is pull us out of the hole Bush put us in. The numbers indicate the Obama plan is beginning to work. Hope for change. That's his plan. Don't kid yourself. |
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Harry wrote: Rob wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. There's a half price sale on Pontiacs and Saturns. I have two German cars and both impress me whenever I drive them! You have two ersatz german cars made in the carolinas, dip****. Real BMW's are made in germany. i have a Toyota SUV. It looks so real, i can't tell weather or not it's ersatz. Ahh. I see flajim made it through another night...too bad. Oh...he can't tell "weather" from "whether." Must be part of that navy skillset. |
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Harry wrote:
Harry wrote: Harry wrote: Rob wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. There's a half price sale on Pontiacs and Saturns. I have two German cars and both impress me whenever I drive them! You have two ersatz german cars made in the carolinas, dip****. Real BMW's are made in germany. i have a Toyota SUV. It looks so real, i can't tell weather or not it's ersatz. Ahh. I see flajim made it through another night...too bad. Oh...he can't tell "weather" from "whether." Must be part of that navy skillset. That'll teach the scumbag. Who shall I insult next. Will it be x or y or z or one of the 3 dozen other assholes who I disagree with. |
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says... On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:13:30 -0500, John H wrote: It's the socialist way. You would be our resident exbert on socialism. If anybody is going to be an exbert it will be me. |
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On 30/12/2009 9:36 PM, Harry wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: On 30/12/2009 6:20 PM, Harry wrote: Canuck57 wrote: This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. A. No one cares what you buy or don't buy. B. I doubt your monthly social security payment will cover the cost of any new car. Ditto for you too. Sorry...I'm not *on* social security. Still actively working. So am I. But on the next tax increase, I might just change that. But you seem to have a hard time admitting America is getting hoodwinked but Obama and democrat buddies in the Senate and Congress. We had eight years of Bush-Cheney hoodwinking. What Obama is trying to do is pull us out of the hole Bush put us in. The numbers indicate the Obama plan is beginning to work. By digging a bigger hole? Obama's plan begining to work, OMG, we you freaking born yesterday? This is a repeat, I hate to tell you -- but just a repeat of 1981/82. Next up, jobs, low wage jobs where there are jobs in a relatively jobless recovery. First sign of recovery comes with inflation and $5 gallon. Just like 1982. |
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On 30/12/2009 10:17 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 6:20 PM, Harry wrote: Canuck57 wrote: This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. A. No one cares what you buy or don't buy. B. I doubt your monthly social security payment will cover the cost of any new car. Ditto for you too. But you seem to have a hard time admitting America is getting hoodwinked but Obama and democrat buddies in the Senate and Congress. Unless of course you truly believe the US treasury should be used to prop up failing corporations and private interests gone bad. Which would also make you a supporter of Marxism and Chavez.... What is the difference between Chevez and obama again? You need to get off your high horse of Obama doing bad things. He's doing the best he can with a lousy hand. Thanks GWB! Like I said about lib-dims, first the promises now the excuses. |
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On 30/12/2009 10:13 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 8:26 PM, Harry wrote: Rob wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. There's a half price sale on Pontiacs and Saturns. I have two German cars and both impress me whenever I drive them! You have two ersatz german cars made in the carolinas, dip****. Real BMW's are made in germany. German engineered and non-union built. Imported senior management too I bet. I don't know where it was built... US I guess. Don't care if it's union or not. My mom has a Ford sedan and really loves it. That was union built for sure. Who cares if it is truly a good auto made by reputable people. Although I slighted CAW/UAW, my F150 is a great truck. Just that their reputation is shot because UAW/CAW played their part in extorting tax dollars. But still, a great truck and plan on keeping it, just not buying more UAW/CAW. |
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On 30/12/2009 10:16 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 6:43 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What is it morally or ethically correct to tax people for corprations with malace and negligence operate a company beyond bankruptcy and in a material way that is in fact fraud? What justifies it? Saving a few jobs? For what this is costing the taxpayers it would be cheaper to put them all on unemployment benefits for 10 years or more if needed and conficate the assets in chapter 7 for recovery of what is left. And who is bailing out he other 98% that lost jobs? How many will loose jobs, have lower wages, lesser prospect for decades as the mountain of liberal debt gets a good tax rape on business and individual taxes? On, banks will win, that is why the biggest debtor, goverment wants them. I don't think it is about jobs. It is about congress/government not doing the job of shutting down the GMs and the Chrylsers some 5 to 8 years ago as they have been bankrupt for a very long time. It is about rich cats like Buffet and the client lists of Carlyle and Cerberus calling politicians with gentle conversations about who to donate to. It is about spining a good BS story that GM is too big to die. GM isn't too big to die. At least two other larger companies than GM died without bailouts and the sky didn't fall. Thousands of others have died and it doesn't even make the papers. Many died and unemployed thousands without bailouts before GM bankruptcy because they couldn't force GM to pay it's damned bills. In part, this is about a growning reality that the American system has become corrupt. No different than a Chavez or Castro. Castro nationalized. How does Chavez taking Connoco Phillips assets and asking people to work for less and different than what Washington DC is doing with taxations and GM/GMAC and others? Freaking bunch of hypocrits. Unfortunately, the bailouts started during the last administration. In for a penny, in for a pound? I wasn't a big fan of it either, but there was a cogent argument for it then and now. At this point, the economy is still so fragile that letting a big company like GM or big banks go under would undermine the situation even more, especially on the jobs front, which is awful. Actually, you are right. I started in congress and the senate, democrat dominated and they really wanted to send a bailout package to the administration. But given 79% of Americans were dead against the idea of public taxes for private business it chilled many into cold feet as to actually producing a bill to do it legal. Does not mean they didn't support it, just means they didn't want the heat for it with their names on such an unpopular package. Bush initially didn't want to have any part of using public taxes to finance private business, I say initially because at some point Obama and congress talked Bush into starting the ball rolling. Being a lame president Bush could take the heat that congress and the senators were reluctant to take. Obama was right in there like a dirty sock saying we needed it long before he hit office. In fact, that was just about when the markets crashed is when Obama was talking bailout and it looked like he might win. And when TARP was misapproriated for auto, which was never in the original TARP package, we didn't hear a peep from democrat dimwits in congress or the senate as in reality, the million and billionaire made sure the donations were a flowing. Part of why Bush Jr was so for it in the end as being a lame president he could make lots of rich buddies. Maybe like Carlyle did with bush senior, especially since Carlyle has links to GM and Bush Sr. And the bailout funds moved right along. No interruption in the corruption process. Believe it or not, when it looked like Obama wasn't going to be so corrupted, I acktually was rooting for him. But turning orporate/billionaire savior, sorry - he lost me. Senators and congress people facing 2010 now want to skirt this issue of their quiet support of the largest corruption and pork package in US history. Votors I hope will see this in 2010, and get these arses out of their seats. They misrepresented the people of the United States. Tme they got fired and replaced. I am of the belief that using the taxpayer funds and public debt financed moeys is nothing more than indentured taxation slavery for corporations. The same reason United States sought independance from Britan. Welcome to the new world order fellow tax saves, those scifi movies of corporations running the world were not far off, they are in your pocket and many are just too stupid to see why it is so wrong. |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 30/12/2009 10:13 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 8:26 PM, Harry wrote: Rob wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. There's a half price sale on Pontiacs and Saturns. I have two German cars and both impress me whenever I drive them! You have two ersatz german cars made in the carolinas, dip****. Real BMW's are made in germany. German engineered and non-union built. Imported senior management too I bet. I don't know where it was built... US I guess. Don't care if it's union or not. My mom has a Ford sedan and really loves it. That was union built for sure. Who cares if it is truly a good auto made by reputable people. Although I slighted CAW/UAW, my F150 is a great truck. Just that their reputation is shot because UAW/CAW played their part in extorting tax dollars. But still, a great truck and plan on keeping it, just not buying more UAW/CAW. Exactly. Who cares, yet you go on to say you wouldn't by another. Confusing. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On 30/12/2009 10:16 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 6:43 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What is it morally or ethically correct to tax people for corprations with malace and negligence operate a company beyond bankruptcy and in a material way that is in fact fraud? What justifies it? Saving a few jobs? For what this is costing the taxpayers it would be cheaper to put them all on unemployment benefits for 10 years or more if needed and conficate the assets in chapter 7 for recovery of what is left. And who is bailing out he other 98% that lost jobs? How many will loose jobs, have lower wages, lesser prospect for decades as the mountain of liberal debt gets a good tax rape on business and individual taxes? On, banks will win, that is why the biggest debtor, goverment wants them. I don't think it is about jobs. It is about congress/government not doing the job of shutting down the GMs and the Chrylsers some 5 to 8 years ago as they have been bankrupt for a very long time. It is about rich cats like Buffet and the client lists of Carlyle and Cerberus calling politicians with gentle conversations about who to donate to. It is about spining a good BS story that GM is too big to die. GM isn't too big to die. At least two other larger companies than GM died without bailouts and the sky didn't fall. Thousands of others have died and it doesn't even make the papers. Many died and unemployed thousands without bailouts before GM bankruptcy because they couldn't force GM to pay it's damned bills. In part, this is about a growning reality that the American system has become corrupt. No different than a Chavez or Castro. Castro nationalized. How does Chavez taking Connoco Phillips assets and asking people to work for less and different than what Washington DC is doing with taxations and GM/GMAC and others? Freaking bunch of hypocrits. Unfortunately, the bailouts started during the last administration. In for a penny, in for a pound? I wasn't a big fan of it either, but there was a cogent argument for it then and now. At this point, the economy is still so fragile that letting a big company like GM or big banks go under would undermine the situation even more, especially on the jobs front, which is awful. Actually, you are right. I started in congress and the senate, democrat dominated and they really wanted to send a bailout package to the administration. But given 79% of Americans were dead against the idea of public taxes for private business it chilled many into cold feet as to actually producing a bill to do it legal. Does not mean they didn't support it, just means they didn't want the heat for it with their names on such an unpopular package. Bush initially didn't want to have any part of using public taxes to finance private business, I say initially because at some point Obama and congress talked Bush into starting the ball rolling. Being a lame president Bush could take the heat that congress and the senators were reluctant to take. Obama had zero influence on Bush. Anyone who believes that believes in the Fairy God Mother. Paulson and friends convinced him. Obama was right in there like a dirty sock saying we needed it long before he hit office. In fact, that was just about when the markets crashed is when Obama was talking bailout and it looked like he might win. And when TARP was misapproriated for auto, which was never in the original TARP package, we didn't hear a peep from democrat dimwits in congress or the senate as in reality, the million and billionaire made sure the donations were a flowing. Saying we needed and influencing Bush are two diff. things. Lots of people said we need things Bush wasn't doing. Had no effect whatsoever. Part of why Bush Jr was so for it in the end as being a lame president he could make lots of rich buddies. Maybe like Carlyle did with bush senior, especially since Carlyle has links to GM and Bush Sr. Yes. Exactly. And the bailout funds moved right along. No interruption in the corruption process. Believe it or not, when it looked like Obama wasn't going to be so corrupted, I acktually was rooting for him. But turning orporate/billionaire savior, sorry - he lost me. There were a lot more controls put on the money after he took office. Not enough of them, but it was better than before. Senators and congress people facing 2010 now want to skirt this issue of their quiet support of the largest corruption and pork package in US history. Votors I hope will see this in 2010, and get these arses out of their seats. They misrepresented the people of the United States. Tme they got fired and replaced. I am of the belief that using the taxpayer funds and public debt financed moeys is nothing more than indentured taxation slavery for corporations. The same reason United States sought independance from Britan. Welcome to the new world order fellow tax saves, those scifi movies of corporations running the world were not far off, they are in your pocket and many are just too stupid to see why it is so wrong. Well, that's an extreme view, and not really justifiable. We should limit funds and debt for corps, but claiming all money used that way is wrong isn't right either. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 30/12/2009 10:17 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 6:20 PM, Harry wrote: Canuck57 wrote: This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. A. No one cares what you buy or don't buy. B. I doubt your monthly social security payment will cover the cost of any new car. Ditto for you too. But you seem to have a hard time admitting America is getting hoodwinked but Obama and democrat buddies in the Senate and Congress. Unless of course you truly believe the US treasury should be used to prop up failing corporations and private interests gone bad. Which would also make you a supporter of Marxism and Chavez.... What is the difference between Chevez and obama again? You need to get off your high horse of Obama doing bad things. He's doing the best he can with a lousy hand. Thanks GWB! Like I said about lib-dims, first the promises now the excuses. Like I said about you, you have no stake in the country, you left, so what's your beef? -- Nom=de=Plume |
Impeach em all!
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 8:26 PM, Harry wrote: Rob wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. There's a half price sale on Pontiacs and Saturns. I have two German cars and both impress me whenever I drive them! You have two ersatz german cars made in the carolinas, dip****. Real BMW's are made in germany. German engineered and non-union built. Imported senior management too I bet. I don't know where it was built... US I guess. Don't care if it's union or not. My mom has a Ford sedan and really loves it. That was union built for sure. Who cares if it is truly a good auto made by reputable people. Although I slighted CAW/UAW, my F150 is a great truck. Just that their reputation is shot because UAW/CAW played their part in extorting tax dollars. But still, a great truck and plan on keeping it, just not buying more UAW/CAW. Exactly. Who cares, yet you go on to say you wouldn't by another. Confusing. Read it again slowly. Run your finger along as you read if you need to. And here's the important part. Read the whole message before you fire off a snappy remark. I usually charge a fee but consider this pro bono me to you. -- I get so upset by these spoofers, that I think I am going to make more crossposts between rec.boats and numerous unrelated newsgroups, because at least that is not detrimental to rec.boats. This group needs some new blood, and that is always a good way to get some new posters who enjoy boating as much as i do. |
Impeach em all!
On 31/12/2009 11:43 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:16 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 6:43 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What is it morally or ethically correct to tax people for corprations with malace and negligence operate a company beyond bankruptcy and in a material way that is in fact fraud? What justifies it? Saving a few jobs? For what this is costing the taxpayers it would be cheaper to put them all on unemployment benefits for 10 years or more if needed and conficate the assets in chapter 7 for recovery of what is left. And who is bailing out he other 98% that lost jobs? How many will loose jobs, have lower wages, lesser prospect for decades as the mountain of liberal debt gets a good tax rape on business and individual taxes? On, banks will win, that is why the biggest debtor, goverment wants them. I don't think it is about jobs. It is about congress/government not doing the job of shutting down the GMs and the Chrylsers some 5 to 8 years ago as they have been bankrupt for a very long time. It is about rich cats like Buffet and the client lists of Carlyle and Cerberus calling politicians with gentle conversations about who to donate to. It is about spining a good BS story that GM is too big to die. GM isn't too big to die. At least two other larger companies than GM died without bailouts and the sky didn't fall. Thousands of others have died and it doesn't even make the papers. Many died and unemployed thousands without bailouts before GM bankruptcy because they couldn't force GM to pay it's damned bills. In part, this is about a growning reality that the American system has become corrupt. No different than a Chavez or Castro. Castro nationalized. How does Chavez taking Connoco Phillips assets and asking people to work for less and different than what Washington DC is doing with taxations and GM/GMAC and others? Freaking bunch of hypocrits. Unfortunately, the bailouts started during the last administration. In for a penny, in for a pound? I wasn't a big fan of it either, but there was a cogent argument for it then and now. At this point, the economy is still so fragile that letting a big company like GM or big banks go under would undermine the situation even more, especially on the jobs front, which is awful. Actually, you are right. I started in congress and the senate, democrat dominated and they really wanted to send a bailout package to the administration. But given 79% of Americans were dead against the idea of public taxes for private business it chilled many into cold feet as to actually producing a bill to do it legal. Does not mean they didn't support it, just means they didn't want the heat for it with their names on such an unpopular package. Bush initially didn't want to have any part of using public taxes to finance private business, I say initially because at some point Obama and congress talked Bush into starting the ball rolling. Being a lame president Bush could take the heat that congress and the senators were reluctant to take. Obama had zero influence on Bush. Anyone who believes that believes in the Fairy God Mother. Paulson and friends convinced him. Obama was right in there like a dirty sock saying we needed it long before he hit office. In fact, that was just about when the markets crashed is when Obama was talking bailout and it looked like he might win. And when TARP was misapproriated for auto, which was never in the original TARP package, we didn't hear a peep from democrat dimwits in congress or the senate as in reality, the million and billionaire made sure the donations were a flowing. Saying we needed and influencing Bush are two diff. things. Lots of people said we need things Bush wasn't doing. Had no effect whatsoever. Part of why Bush Jr was so for it in the end as being a lame president he could make lots of rich buddies. Maybe like Carlyle did with bush senior, especially since Carlyle has links to GM and Bush Sr. Yes. Exactly. And the bailout funds moved right along. No interruption in the corruption process. Believe it or not, when it looked like Obama wasn't going to be so corrupted, I acktually was rooting for him. But turning orporate/billionaire savior, sorry - he lost me. There were a lot more controls put on the money after he took office. Not enough of them, but it was better than before. Senators and congress people facing 2010 now want to skirt this issue of their quiet support of the largest corruption and pork package in US history. Votors I hope will see this in 2010, and get these arses out of their seats. They misrepresented the people of the United States. Tme they got fired and replaced. I am of the belief that using the taxpayer funds and public debt financed moeys is nothing more than indentured taxation slavery for corporations. The same reason United States sought independance from Britan. Welcome to the new world order fellow tax saves, those scifi movies of corporations running the world were not far off, they are in your pocket and many are just too stupid to see why it is so wrong. Well, that's an extreme view, and not really justifiable. We should limit funds and debt for corps, but claiming all money used that way is wrong isn't right either. Hardly extreme view at all. The United States didn't like paying British taxes. So a revolution occured. Or is the part where corporations now get a portion of the taxes people pay. It is reality. Part of every American and Canadian pay cheque now goes to private corporations. For that, they all should be recalled, impeached and openly flogged. |
Impeach em all!
"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 31/12/2009 11:43 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:16 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 6:43 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 30/12/2009 10:13 AM, John H wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:45:20 -0700, wrote: On 29/12/2009 8:41 PM, Bill McKee wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4725887 What with 10-20% unemployment, terrorists, economic melt down, they schedule hearings on a college football playoff system. Fire them all for incompetence! They want to play football so they can fumble it and not cost $100 billion. Might be progress for the dim-wits. Either that or they ran out of credit. No, they want to esblish an Office of Football Management, with it's own Czar and several thousand underlings. They'll show how well it works, and then establish the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and socker. Maybe rugby also. Then they'll need a Department of Sports Control with another cabinet member and a few thousand more underlings. It's the socialist way. I hope they play football. As they are now going to pork more money into GMAC to hell bailout Warren Buffet. Now poeple can't afford boats. Many loosing their jobs and homes, even families because they fall short of cash to pay bills in this failing economy of debt and corruption. And they continue to use the tax system to bailout corrupt corporations and banks where the executives need to be so fired for gross negligence. No accountability, SOX was a huge waste of time.. not enforced. Not one GM, Chrysler or banker has even been charged for the fraud. I say fraud as GM even had a successful class action judgement for mistatement of the books, and Wagoner gets a $20M pension. Think, 4-5 years ago GMAC bragged how much money it had. Wonder where it went? If I were president I would send in accounting forensic experts and turn GM& GMAC upside down. This so stinks. I will not buy a GM, GMAC, Chrysler, Carlyle, Cerberus, CAW/UAW piece of crap again...makes me so mad. It is very frustrating... I understand the economics of why they're doing it I suppose, but it still stinks. Wagoner should get nothing. I own an ancient Ford pickup and my "real" car is German, which impresses me and the occasional client. I never much liked GM's offerings. Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What is it morally or ethically correct to tax people for corprations with malace and negligence operate a company beyond bankruptcy and in a material way that is in fact fraud? What justifies it? Saving a few jobs? For what this is costing the taxpayers it would be cheaper to put them all on unemployment benefits for 10 years or more if needed and conficate the assets in chapter 7 for recovery of what is left. And who is bailing out he other 98% that lost jobs? How many will loose jobs, have lower wages, lesser prospect for decades as the mountain of liberal debt gets a good tax rape on business and individual taxes? On, banks will win, that is why the biggest debtor, goverment wants them. I don't think it is about jobs. It is about congress/government not doing the job of shutting down the GMs and the Chrylsers some 5 to 8 years ago as they have been bankrupt for a very long time. It is about rich cats like Buffet and the client lists of Carlyle and Cerberus calling politicians with gentle conversations about who to donate to. It is about spining a good BS story that GM is too big to die. GM isn't too big to die. At least two other larger companies than GM died without bailouts and the sky didn't fall. Thousands of others have died and it doesn't even make the papers. Many died and unemployed thousands without bailouts before GM bankruptcy because they couldn't force GM to pay it's damned bills. In part, this is about a growning reality that the American system has become corrupt. No different than a Chavez or Castro. Castro nationalized. How does Chavez taking Connoco Phillips assets and asking people to work for less and different than what Washington DC is doing with taxations and GM/GMAC and others? Freaking bunch of hypocrits. Unfortunately, the bailouts started during the last administration. In for a penny, in for a pound? I wasn't a big fan of it either, but there was a cogent argument for it then and now. At this point, the economy is still so fragile that letting a big company like GM or big banks go under would undermine the situation even more, especially on the jobs front, which is awful. Actually, you are right. I started in congress and the senate, democrat dominated and they really wanted to send a bailout package to the administration. But given 79% of Americans were dead against the idea of public taxes for private business it chilled many into cold feet as to actually producing a bill to do it legal. Does not mean they didn't support it, just means they didn't want the heat for it with their names on such an unpopular package. Bush initially didn't want to have any part of using public taxes to finance private business, I say initially because at some point Obama and congress talked Bush into starting the ball rolling. Being a lame president Bush could take the heat that congress and the senators were reluctant to take. Obama had zero influence on Bush. Anyone who believes that believes in the Fairy God Mother. Paulson and friends convinced him. Obama was right in there like a dirty sock saying we needed it long before he hit office. In fact, that was just about when the markets crashed is when Obama was talking bailout and it looked like he might win. And when TARP was misapproriated for auto, which was never in the original TARP package, we didn't hear a peep from democrat dimwits in congress or the senate as in reality, the million and billionaire made sure the donations were a flowing. Saying we needed and influencing Bush are two diff. things. Lots of people said we need things Bush wasn't doing. Had no effect whatsoever. Part of why Bush Jr was so for it in the end as being a lame president he could make lots of rich buddies. Maybe like Carlyle did with bush senior, especially since Carlyle has links to GM and Bush Sr. Yes. Exactly. And the bailout funds moved right along. No interruption in the corruption process. Believe it or not, when it looked like Obama wasn't going to be so corrupted, I acktually was rooting for him. But turning orporate/billionaire savior, sorry - he lost me. There were a lot more controls put on the money after he took office. Not enough of them, but it was better than before. Senators and congress people facing 2010 now want to skirt this issue of their quiet support of the largest corruption and pork package in US history. Votors I hope will see this in 2010, and get these arses out of their seats. They misrepresented the people of the United States. Tme they got fired and replaced. I am of the belief that using the taxpayer funds and public debt financed moeys is nothing more than indentured taxation slavery for corporations. The same reason United States sought independance from Britan. Welcome to the new world order fellow tax saves, those scifi movies of corporations running the world were not far off, they are in your pocket and many are just too stupid to see why it is so wrong. Well, that's an extreme view, and not really justifiable. We should limit funds and debt for corps, but claiming all money used that way is wrong isn't right either. Hardly extreme view at all. The United States didn't like paying British taxes. So a revolution occured. So, you're claiming that a revolution isn't an extreme event????? Or is the part where corporations now get a portion of the taxes people pay. It is reality. Part of every American and Canadian pay cheque now goes to private corporations. For that, they all should be recalled, impeached and openly flogged. Feel free not to pay US taxes. Oh wait, you already split. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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