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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:53:11 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:23:18 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Sounds like you have a lot invested in this. I think they were both
wackos
and probably thought they were above the law. Certainly Koresh thought
he
was the 2nd Coming. In any case, it wasn't the "government" that killed
them. It was a small group of people.

It is always a small group of people but the government as a whole has
to enable them

It can, but it doesn't have to do so. Who is the "government" in your
mind?
The president? Congress?

The justice department and treasury reports to the president.
It is clear where the buck stops.
I am not even sure why BATF or INS has a SWAT team. Shouldn't the FBI
be our federal cops?
I suppose you know there are dozens of agencies with their own Federal
Agents. I have a friend who is a cop for the department of
agriculture.
"Drop the soy beans and step away from the harvester scumbag!"


Heh.. but officer it's soy and beans, not soy beans, and don't call me Harv!
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Well, the President reports to the people and is held in check (in theory)
by the Congress and the courts. Most of those in the Justice dept. are
career employees, so most don't tend to be political appointments. Do you
really trust the FBI? I sure don't, at least not implicitly.



The FBI is a corrupt institution. That has been proven any number of times.

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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:18:30 -0500, Harry
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The FBI is a corrupt institution. That has been proven any number of
times.

Once they got Hoover out of there and actually started following the
laws about appointing directors, that should have changed.


They're not so much corrupt as complacent. While I haven't had any
involvement, colleagues of mine have. Perhaps things have chanced in the
last couple of years, but I kind of doubt it. The basic story was that
unless they were handed something on silver platter or what happened was so
obvious that a deaf mute would have heard or saw it, they didn't do much.

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nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:18:30 -0500, Harry
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The FBI is a corrupt institution. That has been proven any number of
times.
Once they got Hoover out of there and actually started following the
laws about appointing directors, that should have changed.


They're not so much corrupt as complacent. While I haven't had any
involvement, colleagues of mine have. Perhaps things have chanced in the
last couple of years, but I kind of doubt it. The basic story was that
unless they were handed something on silver platter or what happened was so
obvious that a deaf mute would have heard or saw it, they didn't do much.

Lack of leadership discipline and direction? Obama promises to fix the
problem. We'll be OK.

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I get so upset by these spoofers, that I think I am going to make more
crossposts between rec.boats and numerous unrelated newsgroups, because
at least that is not detrimental to rec.boats. This group needs some
new blood, and that is always a good way to get some new posters who
enjoy boating as much as i do.

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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:18:30 -0500, Harry
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The FBI is a corrupt institution. That has been proven any number of times.

Once they got Hoover out of there and actually started following the
laws about appointing directors, that should have changed.

It didn't.

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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:22:54 -0500, Harry
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:18:30 -0500, Harry
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The FBI is a corrupt institution. That has been proven any number of times.
Once they got Hoover out of there and actually started following the
laws about appointing directors, that should have changed.
It didn't.

You are right, Janet Reno's FBI was as bad as Hoover's. I suppose it
came from the "Miami Vice" thug mentality she brought with her from
south Florida.

Please...there have been "problems" with the FBI since its inception.
Your attempts to pin them on AG's appointed by Democrats is absurd. Look
up John Connally and John Morris, for example. Both were big-time
corrupt FBI officials during the Reagan-GHW Bush administrations. There
also have been massive examples of evidence tampering and false
testimony on the FBI's part.

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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:50:36 -0500, Harry
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:22:54 -0500, Harry
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:18:30 -0500, Harry
wrote:

The FBI is a corrupt institution. That has been proven any number of times.
Once they got Hoover out of there and actually started following the
laws about appointing directors, that should have changed.
It didn't.
You are right, Janet Reno's FBI was as bad as Hoover's. I suppose it
came from the "Miami Vice" thug mentality she brought with her from
south Florida.
Please...there have been "problems" with the FBI since its inception.
Your attempts to pin them on AG's appointed by Democrats is absurd. Look
up John Connally and John Morris, for example. Both were big-time
corrupt FBI officials during the Reagan-GHW Bush administrations. There
also have been massive examples of evidence tampering and false
testimony on the FBI's part.


You are right. Perhaps we should blame FDR for starting this corrupt
enterprise ;-)

I suppose it just demonstrates the adage that absolute power corrupts
absolutely.


It simply points out the danger of accepting what the FBI says at face
value. Of course, the same caveats apply to local police forces and
district attorneys. Basically, in this country, if you are accused of a
crime, unless you have really deep pockets to buy the services of a
top-notch criminal lawyer, you likely will be found guilty, whether or
not you are. Police departments and prosecutors have proven themselves
over and over to be at least as corrupt as criminals.

Harry wrote:
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:50:36 -0500, Harry
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:22:54 -0500, Harry
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:18:30 -0500, Harry
wrote:

The FBI is a corrupt institution. That has been proven any number
of times.
Once they got Hoover out of there and actually started following the
laws about appointing directors, that should have changed.
It didn't.
You are right, Janet Reno's FBI was as bad as Hoover's. I suppose it
came from the "Miami Vice" thug mentality she brought with her from
south Florida.
Please...there have been "problems" with the FBI since its inception.
Your attempts to pin them on AG's appointed by Democrats is absurd.
Look up John Connally and John Morris, for example. Both were
big-time corrupt FBI officials during the Reagan-GHW Bush
administrations. There also have been massive examples of evidence
tampering and false testimony on the FBI's part.


You are right. Perhaps we should blame FDR for starting this corrupt
enterprise ;-)

I suppose it just demonstrates the adage that absolute power corrupts
absolutely.


It simply points out the danger of accepting what the FBI says at face
value. Of course, the same caveats apply to local police forces and
district attorneys. Basically, in this country, if you are accused of a
crime, unless you have really deep pockets to buy the services of a
top-notch criminal lawyer, you likely will be found guilty, whether or
not you are. Police departments and prosecutors have proven themselves
over and over to be at least as corrupt as criminals.





Mu philosophy is don't trust anyone in uniform. They're out to get you.

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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:50:36 -0500, Harry
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wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:22:54 -0500, Harry
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:18:30 -0500, Harry
wrote:

The FBI is a corrupt institution. That has been proven any number of
times.
Once they got Hoover out of there and actually started following the
laws about appointing directors, that should have changed.
It didn't.

You are right, Janet Reno's FBI was as bad as Hoover's. I suppose it
came from the "Miami Vice" thug mentality she brought with her from
south Florida.

Please...there have been "problems" with the FBI since its inception.
Your attempts to pin them on AG's appointed by Democrats is absurd. Look
up John Connally and John Morris, for example. Both were big-time
corrupt FBI officials during the Reagan-GHW Bush administrations. There
also have been massive examples of evidence tampering and false
testimony on the FBI's part.


You are right. Perhaps we should blame FDR for starting this corrupt
enterprise ;-)

I suppose it just demonstrates the adage that absolute power corrupts
absolutely.


Absolutely.

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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:22:54 -0500, Harry
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wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:18:30 -0500, Harry
wrote:

The FBI is a corrupt institution. That has been proven any number of
times.

Once they got Hoover out of there and actually started following the
laws about appointing directors, that should have changed.

It didn't.

You are right, Janet Reno's FBI was as bad as Hoover's. I suppose it
came from the "Miami Vice" thug mentality she brought with her from
south Florida.


Janet Reno was pretty honest, perhaps overly so. You do remember that she
went after Clinton.

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nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:22:54 -0500, Harry
wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:18:30 -0500, Harry
wrote:

The FBI is a corrupt institution. That has been proven any number of
times.
Once they got Hoover out of there and actually started following the
laws about appointing directors, that should have changed.
It didn't.
You are right, Janet Reno's FBI was as bad as Hoover's. I suppose it
came from the "Miami Vice" thug mentality she brought with her from
south Florida.


Janet Reno was pretty honest, perhaps overly so. You do remember that she
went after Clinton.



i must admit I don't recall. What was she after?