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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:41:59 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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The "government" wasn't out of control. Perhaps a small group of people
at
most.

The government, in this case, was BATF and FBI HRT and those people
were clearly out of control.They were confusing themselves with
something they saw in a Rambo movie. The only response they were
capable of was a military assault when the proper response was two
guys in a white Crown Vic and wrinkled suits. This peaked in Waco but
it really didn't get proper scrutiny until that picture showed an
agent pointing a machine gun at Elian Gonzoles.


Come on... the agent wasn't point at the kid. This is just so much hokum.
In
both RR and Waco, there were lots and lots of guns on the premises.

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The point was, why did the government think he needed an HK MP5 to
handle a simple child custody case?
Florida "Children and Families" people take kids out of gang hangouts
and other places that are a lot more likely to have armed residents
than these people and they do it without SWAT teams.


In Ruby Ridge Weaver got along fairly well with local law enforcement
and if the local guy said BATF wants to see you, he probably would
have just come into town. They never even tried. The same was true of
David Koresh. He had three BATF licenses that generated most of his
revenue. He had good reason to protect them and he had lots of
reasons to talk to ATF. They never asked either.
If nothing else Koresh was in town fairly frequently, they could have
just grabbed him on the street. The cops just had that Rambo thing and
they all thought the SWAT team was the answer to every situation.
That ended up being a military assault with Army tanks that should
have been settled on the phone.
I knew we were in trouble when the TV show SWAT came on the air in the
70s.
Shortly after that every little gang of cops needed a SWAT team and
they all started wearing "tactical" ninja suits instead of their
regular uniforms. The 80s drug war really made that bloom.The fact
that the government surplused thousands of M-16s after the Vietnam war
and gave them away to the cops didn't help.
There is no more inappropriate gun for a cop that I can imagine.
I admit, if you really need to kill every mo fo in the room the MP5 is
good when used with frangible ammo but the M-16 is as likely to kill a
guy in the next county as the guy you are "spraying and praying" on.
We had precisely that kind of thing happen shortly after the local
cops here got their M-16s. They dropped rounds into downtown Ft Myers
from the range a mile and a half away. Luckily nobody was killed. They
did have to close the range.


Sounds like you have a lot invested in this. I think they were both wackos
and probably thought they were above the law. Certainly Koresh thought he
was the 2nd Coming. In any case, it wasn't the "government" that killed
them. It was a small group of people.

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Nom=de=Plume