On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:42:17 -0500, Tom Francis wrote:

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:17:46 -0600, thunder
wrote:

You mention a "business decision". It seems to me tying health insurance
to business, was a faulty paradigm from the beginning, competitively and
socially. However, health care has the potential of reviving this entire
economy. Health care jobs are well paying and *local*. IMO, they could
provide a replacement for the manufacturing jobs we have lost. Our
medical technology sector, already top of the world, could provide export
dollars. In the public debate, we've been looking at health care as a
drain on the economy. I'm thinking it could save the economy. It's
basic economics, manufacture something of value, and the whole world
values life, at least in theory.

You're right and as far as it goes, it would be a boon.

Unfortunately, that requires a free market approach to keep costs
competitive and we just got a crap sandwich of a "health care" bill.

This is gonna be a diaster and the more the details are being exposed,
it's becoming apparent that it's nothing more than a Chavez style take
over of a major industry - confiscatory and restrictive.

Hopefully, 2010 will bring a reversal of this boondoogle.

There has not been a free market for years. It has been a front to look
like a free market with cooperation amoung insurance carriers to set
prices and have had no control of who they can deny service to even if
they pay their premiums. A public option would prevent this and keep them
honest.

Been there, had this happen.

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:42:17 -0500, Tom Francis wrote:

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:17:46 -0600, thunder
wrote:

You mention a "business decision". It seems to me tying health insurance
to business, was a faulty paradigm from the beginning, competitively and
socially. However, health care has the potential of reviving this entire
economy. Health care jobs are well paying and *local*. IMO, they could
provide a replacement for the manufacturing jobs we have lost. Our
medical technology sector, already top of the world, could provide export
dollars. In the public debate, we've been looking at health care as a
drain on the economy. I'm thinking it could save the economy. It's
basic economics, manufacture something of value, and the whole world
values life, at least in theory.

You're right and as far as it goes, it would be a boon.

Unfortunately, that requires a free market approach to keep costs
competitive and we just got a crap sandwich of a "health care" bill.

This is gonna be a diaster and the more the details are being exposed,
it's becoming apparent that it's nothing more than a Chavez style take
over of a major industry - confiscatory and restrictive.

Hopefully, 2010 will bring a reversal of this boondoogle.

There has not been a free market for years. It has been a front to look
like a free market with cooperation amoung insurance carriers to set
prices and have had no control of who they can deny service to even if
they pay their premiums. A public option would prevent this and keep them
honest.

Been there, had this happen.

Remove government regulation of the medical insurance industry. The free
market will return.

Why should health insurance be treated any differently than your life,
home, auto and property insurance? Your previous history of claims and
behavior determines your ability to obtain insurance and the rates you
pay.

Besides you do not have a right to health insurance or health care.

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:31:46 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:42:17 -0500, Tom Francis wrote:

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:17:46 -0600, thunder
wrote:

You mention a "business decision". It seems to me tying health
insurance to business, was a faulty paradigm from the beginning,
competitively and socially. However, health care has the potential
of reviving this entire economy. Health care jobs are well paying
and *local*. IMO, they could provide a replacement for the
manufacturing jobs we have lost. Our medical technology sector,
already top of the world, could provide export dollars. In the
public debate, we've been looking at health care as a drain on the
economy. I'm thinking it could save the economy. It's basic
economics, manufacture something of value, and the whole world values
life, at least in theory.

You're right and as far as it goes, it would be a boon.

Unfortunately, that requires a free market approach to keep costs
competitive and we just got a crap sandwich of a "health care" bill.

This is gonna be a diaster and the more the details are being
exposed, it's becoming apparent that it's nothing more than a Chavez
style take over of a major industry - confiscatory and restrictive.

Hopefully, 2010 will bring a reversal of this boondoogle.

There has not been a free market for years. It has been a front to look
like a free market with cooperation amoung insurance carriers to set
prices and have had no control of who they can deny service to even if
they pay their premiums. A public option would prevent this and keep
them honest.

Been there, had this happen.

Remove government regulation of the medical insurance industry. The free
market will return.

Why should health insurance be treated any differently than your life,
home, auto and property insurance? Your previous history of claims and
behavior determines your ability to obtain insurance and the rates you
pay.

Besides you do not have a right to health insurance or health care.

I have medicare now.

I had health insurance that I paid for through my employer in the past. A
claim was denied that should have been covered. My employer tossed up
their hands as to say tough **** but I was locked in to paying premiums
until the first of the year. I quit the employment. They lost in the long
run, trust me.

The free market is a farce in the insurance market. They all work in
concert.

On 12/27/09 12:59 PM, RLM wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:31:46 -0500, BAR wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:42:17 -0500, Tom Francis wrote:

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:17:46 -0600,
wrote:

You mention a "business decision". It seems to me tying health
insurance to business, was a faulty paradigm from the beginning,
competitively and socially. However, health care has the potential
of reviving this entire economy. Health care jobs are well paying
and *local*. IMO, they could provide a replacement for the
manufacturing jobs we have lost. Our medical technology sector,
already top of the world, could provide export dollars. In the
public debate, we've been looking at health care as a drain on the
economy. I'm thinking it could save the economy. It's basic
economics, manufacture something of value, and the whole world values
life, at least in theory.

You're right and as far as it goes, it would be a boon.

Unfortunately, that requires a free market approach to keep costs
competitive and we just got a crap sandwich of a "health care" bill.

This is gonna be a diaster and the more the details are being
exposed, it's becoming apparent that it's nothing more than a Chavez
style take over of a major industry - confiscatory and restrictive.

Hopefully, 2010 will bring a reversal of this boondoogle.

There has not been a free market for years. It has been a front to look
like a free market with cooperation amoung insurance carriers to set
prices and have had no control of who they can deny service to even if
they pay their premiums. A public option would prevent this and keep
them honest.

Been there, had this happen.

Remove government regulation of the medical insurance industry. The free
market will return.

Why should health insurance be treated any differently than your life,
home, auto and property insurance? Your previous history of claims and
behavior determines your ability to obtain insurance and the rates you
pay.

Besides you do not have a right to health insurance or health care.

I have medicare now.

I had health insurance that I paid for through my employer in the past. A
claim was denied that should have been covered. My employer tossed up
their hands as to say tough **** but I was locked in to paying premiums
until the first of the year. I quit the employment. They lost in the long
run, trust me.

The free market is a farce in the insurance market. They all work in
concert.


I love the simple-minded elegance of "get the government out and
everything will be ok." Yeah, right. Bend over. Farther.

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:16:48 -0500, Harry wrote:

On 12/27/09 12:59 PM, RLM wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:31:46 -0500, BAR wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:42:17 -0500, Tom Francis wrote:

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:17:46 -0600,
wrote:

You mention a "business decision". It seems to me tying health
insurance to business, was a faulty paradigm from the beginning,
competitively and socially. However, health care has the potential
of reviving this entire economy. Health care jobs are well paying
and *local*. IMO, they could provide a replacement for the
manufacturing jobs we have lost. Our medical technology sector,
already top of the world, could provide export dollars. In the
public debate, we've been looking at health care as a drain on the
economy. I'm thinking it could save the economy. It's basic
economics, manufacture something of value, and the whole world values
life, at least in theory.

You're right and as far as it goes, it would be a boon.

Unfortunately, that requires a free market approach to keep costs
competitive and we just got a crap sandwich of a "health care" bill.

This is gonna be a diaster and the more the details are being
exposed, it's becoming apparent that it's nothing more than a Chavez
style take over of a major industry - confiscatory and restrictive.

Hopefully, 2010 will bring a reversal of this boondoogle.

There has not been a free market for years. It has been a front to look
like a free market with cooperation amoung insurance carriers to set
prices and have had no control of who they can deny service to even if
they pay their premiums. A public option would prevent this and keep
them honest.

Been there, had this happen.

Remove government regulation of the medical insurance industry. The free
market will return.

Why should health insurance be treated any differently than your life,
home, auto and property insurance? Your previous history of claims and
behavior determines your ability to obtain insurance and the rates you
pay.

Besides you do not have a right to health insurance or health care.

I have medicare now.
I also carry additional insurance too, beside medicare.


I had health insurance that I paid for through my employer in the past. A
claim was denied that should have been covered. My employer tossed up
their hands as to say tough **** but I was locked in to paying premiums
until the first of the year. I quit the employment. They lost in the long
run, trust me.

The free market is a farce in the insurance market. They all work in
concert.


I love the simple-minded elegance of "get the government out and
everything will be ok." Yeah, right. Bend over. Farther.

"Free market" is as phony as "Work will set you free". Feel good BS.

On 12/27/09 1:35 PM, RLM wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:16:48 -0500, Harry wrote:

On 12/27/09 12:59 PM, RLM wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:31:46 -0500, BAR wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:42:17 -0500, Tom Francis wrote:

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:17:46 -0600,
wrote:

You mention a "business decision". It seems to me tying health
insurance to business, was a faulty paradigm from the beginning,
competitively and socially. However, health care has the potential
of reviving this entire economy. Health care jobs are well paying
and *local*. IMO, they could provide a replacement for the
manufacturing jobs we have lost. Our medical technology sector,
already top of the world, could provide export dollars. In the
public debate, we've been looking at health care as a drain on the
economy. I'm thinking it could save the economy. It's basic
economics, manufacture something of value, and the whole world values
life, at least in theory.

You're right and as far as it goes, it would be a boon.

Unfortunately, that requires a free market approach to keep costs
competitive and we just got a crap sandwich of a "health care" bill.

This is gonna be a diaster and the more the details are being
exposed, it's becoming apparent that it's nothing more than a Chavez
style take over of a major industry - confiscatory and restrictive.

Hopefully, 2010 will bring a reversal of this boondoogle.

There has not been a free market for years. It has been a front to look
like a free market with cooperation amoung insurance carriers to set
prices and have had no control of who they can deny service to even if
they pay their premiums. A public option would prevent this and keep
them honest.

Been there, had this happen.

Remove government regulation of the medical insurance industry. The free
market will return.

Why should health insurance be treated any differently than your life,
home, auto and property insurance? Your previous history of claims and
behavior determines your ability to obtain insurance and the rates you
pay.

Besides you do not have a right to health insurance or health care.

I have medicare now.
I also carry additional insurance too, beside medicare.


I had health insurance that I paid for through my employer in the past. A
claim was denied that should have been covered. My employer tossed up
their hands as to say tough **** but I was locked in to paying premiums
until the first of the year. I quit the employment. They lost in the long
run, trust me.

The free market is a farce in the insurance market. They all work in
concert.


I love the simple-minded elegance of "get the government out and
everything will be ok." Yeah, right. Bend over. Farther.

"Free market" is as phony as "Work will set you free". Feel good BS.



Further, we haven't had a "free market economy" for many, many decades.
Where there are segments of "free markets," or "almost free markets,"
what happens is that most of us get screwed by the marketeers.

In article ,
says...
I had health insurance that I paid for through my employer in the past. A
claim was denied that should have been covered. My employer tossed up
their hands as to say tough **** but I was locked in to paying premiums
until the first of the year. I quit the employment. They lost in the long
run, trust me.

The free market is a farce in the insurance market. They all work in
concert.


I love the simple-minded elegance of "get the government out and
everything will be ok." Yeah, right. Bend over. Farther.

"Free market" is as phony as "Work will set you free". Feel good BS.


Work has been very good to me so far.

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:47:06 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...
I had health insurance that I paid for through my employer in the past. A
claim was denied that should have been covered. My employer tossed up
their hands as to say tough **** but I was locked in to paying premiums
until the first of the year. I quit the employment. They lost in the long
run, trust me.

The free market is a farce in the insurance market. They all work in
concert.


I love the simple-minded elegance of "get the government out and
everything will be ok." Yeah, right. Bend over. Farther.

"Free market" is as phony as "Work will set you free". Feel good BS.


Work has been very good to me so far.

Zooooooooooooooooooooom!