On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:54:54 -0500, John H wrote:


"His boy?" I think you mean *our* President. You can live in denial,
but I'll point out Obama's main legislative agenda, health care reform,
looks to be on track for passage. The recession is over and jobs *will*
rebound. Not at all bad for his *first* year in office. I'm thinking
Obama is becoming unstoppable.

As for Palin, I was recently talking to a diehard Republican who is
convinced she is working for the Democrats. In his opinion, nothing
else explains the damage she is doing the Republican Party.

Obama gets my vote as Messiah of the year! Your boy can do no wrong.

http://tinyurl.com/y8ov56y

Yup, it sure is starting to look that way. Sure does suck to be a
Republican these days, doesn't it?

thunder wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:54:54 -0500, John H wrote:


"His boy?" I think you mean *our* President. You can live in denial,
but I'll point out Obama's main legislative agenda, health care reform,
looks to be on track for passage. The recession is over and jobs *will*
rebound. Not at all bad for his *first* year in office. I'm thinking
Obama is becoming unstoppable.

As for Palin, I was recently talking to a diehard Republican who is
convinced she is working for the Democrats. In his opinion, nothing
else explains the damage she is doing the Republican Party.
Obama gets my vote as Messiah of the year! Your boy can do no wrong.

http://tinyurl.com/y8ov56y

Yup, it sure is starting to look that way. Sure does suck to be a
Republican these days, doesn't it?

I guess he's your boy as well.
Americans are nervous about your boy running amok in our candy store
handing out goodies to his friends.

"Jim" wrote

\ I guess he's your boy as well.
Americans are nervous about your boy running amok in our candy store
handing out goodies to his friends.

It's a little late for that. He's done give the candy store away.

Steve

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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:54:54 -0500, John H wrote:


"His boy?" I think you mean *our* President. You can live in denial,
but I'll point out Obama's main legislative agenda, health care reform,
looks to be on track for passage. The recession is over and jobs *will*
rebound. Not at all bad for his *first* year in office. I'm thinking
Obama is becoming unstoppable.

As for Palin, I was recently talking to a diehard Republican who is
convinced she is working for the Democrats. In his opinion, nothing
else explains the damage she is doing the Republican Party.

Obama gets my vote as Messiah of the year! Your boy can do no wrong.

http://tinyurl.com/y8ov56y

Yup, it sure is starting to look that way. Sure does suck to be a
Republican these days, doesn't it?

Obama and Emanuel had better stop running afoul of the Daley machine.

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:54:54 -0500, John H wrote:


"His boy?" I think you mean *our* President. You can live in denial,
but I'll point out Obama's main legislative agenda, health care reform,
looks to be on track for passage. The recession is over and jobs *will*
rebound. Not at all bad for his *first* year in office. I'm thinking
Obama is becoming unstoppable.

As for Palin, I was recently talking to a diehard Republican who is
convinced she is working for the Democrats. In his opinion, nothing
else explains the damage she is doing the Republican Party.

Obama gets my vote as Messiah of the year! Your boy can do no wrong.

http://tinyurl.com/y8ov56y

Yup, it sure is starting to look that way. Sure does suck to be a
Republican these days, doesn't it?


Thunder, they're really embarassed by Palin... the normal, sane ones. The
ones who think she's actually presidential material are not normal. It
really ****es them off (the latter), who can't understand why normal folks
aren't willing to follow them down the path to destruction.

If the jobs situation turns around before the next Congressional election,
the Dems will likely increase their lead in the House and perhaps even the
Senate. If the economy continues to rebound, Obama will be reelected in
another landslide. So far, I haven't seen a viable presidential-level Rep.,
but of course it's way early.

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Nom=de=Plume

On 12/26/09 11:48 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:54:54 -0500, John H wrote:


"His boy?" I think you mean *our* President. You can live in denial,
but I'll point out Obama's main legislative agenda, health care reform,
looks to be on track for passage. The recession is over and jobs *will*
rebound. Not at all bad for his *first* year in office. I'm thinking
Obama is becoming unstoppable.

As for Palin, I was recently talking to a diehard Republican who is
convinced she is working for the Democrats. In his opinion, nothing
else explains the damage she is doing the Republican Party.

Obama gets my vote as Messiah of the year! Your boy can do no wrong.

http://tinyurl.com/y8ov56y

Yup, it sure is starting to look that way. Sure does suck to be a
Republican these days, doesn't it?


Thunder, they're really embarassed by Palin... the normal, sane ones. The
ones who think she's actually presidential material are not normal. It
really ****es them off (the latter), who can't understand why normal folks
aren't willing to follow them down the path to destruction.

If the jobs situation turns around before the next Congressional election,
the Dems will likely increase their lead in the House and perhaps even the
Senate. If the economy continues to rebound, Obama will be reelected in
another landslide. So far, I haven't seen a viable presidential-level Rep.,
but of course it's way early.



Palin is even less qualified for high office than Dubya was. You'd think
eight years of his incompetency would make voters wary about dumb,
simple-minded pols...

Look who supports Palin he BAR, herring, jackoff, et cetera...the
dumbest of the dumb.

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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:48:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Thunder, they're really embarassed by Palin... the normal, sane ones. The
ones who think she's actually presidential material are not normal. It
really ****es them off (the latter), who can't understand why normal folks
aren't willing to follow them down the path to destruction.

If the jobs situation turns around before the next Congressional election,
the Dems will likely increase their lead in the House and perhaps even the
Senate. If the economy continues to rebound, Obama will be reelected in
another landslide. So far, I haven't seen a viable presidential-level
Rep.,
but of course it's way early.

I think the GOP is well placed to take the Senate back in 2010 and
make a dent in the house majority. People will be going to the polls
just about the time the 2011 health care options period closes and
people will still be stinging from the sticker shock of the inevitable
increases that will be here from "free health care".
I am sure the deficit will be going up more and employment will still
be grim. We are not going to replace all those UAW jobs and
construction will still be dead. The "commercial construction" shoe is
just starting to drop. All those new strip malls they built to serve
the houses they didn't sell are sitting empty.
It will be a target rich environment.
The real question is whether they can soften this whacko position they
seem to be taking with Palin, Beck and Limbaugh. The winners will
probably be the ones who can stay fiscally conservative but distance
themselves from the cliff some have been leaping off.
The problem I see is they have not really found a voice that isn't
simply a huckster, making money off of the vacuum in the party
leadership.


How so? Which states/seats do you think are borderline? The Dems would have
to lose quite a few, and the Senate is typically pretty stable.

There's no "free health care" in the current or expected bill, so that's
just your musing or right-wing fear-induced.

The deficit isn't a bread and butter issue with most people. You're talking
about the budget deficit and not the trade deficit right? Just checking.

There's no way in my view that they can "soften" the wacko view. Wacko is
wacko. Most people don't listen to their lies, although a big number do,
unfortunately. Not sure what cliff you're referring to..

Jobs will be an issue. If they continue to turn around, then the Dems don't
have much to worry about.

Totally agree with the huckster comment. I don't see anyone out there who
truly represents a thinking Republican party voter.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:44:49 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:39:25 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I think the GOP is well placed to take the Senate back in 2010 and
make a dent in the house majority.


How so? Which states/seats do you think are borderline? The Dems would have
to lose quite a few, and the Senate is typically pretty stable.

I just think there will be some buyer's remorse, as there usually is
the first mid term after a presidential election.


There's no "free health care" in the current or expected bill, so that's
just your musing or right-wing fear-induced.

This is what most fans think it is supposed to be and the models they
have been spinning (Canada, Japan, Scandinavia) reinforce that.
Actually the expansion of Medicaid from 133% to 150% of the poverty
level (house and senate versions) will make it free for a lot of
people.
The people who pay will be paying a lot more and a lot of people who
choose not to buy insurance will have to buy it. That will be a
sticker shock for them

Seems that most of Obama's loss in the polls is because there's way
too much "same old." He hasn't led the Congress to a health care
"public option" which polling consistently says is favored.
Losing his base and independents that wanted "change."
Surrounded himself with Wall Street cronies.
Hard to see how this health care bill even gets passed as it is.
Forcing Americans to fork over their wages to benefit health insurance
and health care share-holders and execs.
Doesn't make sense. Socialism for the special interests.
Same old.
BTW, I saw a 9% premium increase in my yearly Aetna enrollment.
But when it was done - as the health care debate was at it hottest -
it ended up as a 5% reduction!
Go figure.
Nobody knows how this thing will pan out.

--Vic

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:15:18 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:


Seems that most of Obama's loss in the polls is because there's way too
much "same old."

Maybe, or, "It's the economy, stupid." When the economy is south, the
President generally takes the heat.

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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:39:25 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I think the GOP is well placed to take the Senate back in 2010 and
make a dent in the house majority.


How so? Which states/seats do you think are borderline? The Dems would
have
to lose quite a few, and the Senate is typically pretty stable.

I just think there will be some buyer's remorse, as there usually is
the first mid term after a presidential election.

That's true, but these are unusual times. We'll see I suppose.



There's no "free health care" in the current or expected bill, so that's
just your musing or right-wing fear-induced.

This is what most fans think it is supposed to be and the models they
have been spinning (Canada, Japan, Scandinavia) reinforce that.
Actually the expansion of Medicaid from 133% to 150% of the poverty
level (house and senate versions) will make it free for a lot of
people.

Fans? No one I've heard of is spinning those systems. If you're talking
France (rated #1) or Germany or perhaps the UK, even then, no one is
spinning those, and they are much closer to ours, including what the bill
appears to do.

The people who pay will be paying a lot more and a lot of people who
choose not to buy insurance will have to buy it. That will be a
sticker shock for them

Which people? Those who don't have it, mostly want it. Sure, there are
always a few who choose or can afford not to have it.


The deficit isn't a bread and butter issue with most people. You're
talking
about the budget deficit and not the trade deficit right? Just checking.

It will become a bread and butter issue when bread and butter become
more expensive (the carbon tax). Actually in the late 80s and early
90s, the deficit was an election issue (Ross Perot). It brought us
about 3 years of sound fiscal policy with the help of the 104th
congress.

I don't think you can credit Perot with "sound fiscal policy." He was
another wacko, smart business man that he was.


There's no way in my view that they can "soften" the wacko view. Wacko is
wacko. Most people don't listen to their lies, although a big number do,
unfortunately. Not sure what cliff you're referring to..

Unfortunately the Arbitron of talk radio and the Neilsons of news TV
dispute that "most people" claim
, at least for people who watch news and listen to talk.The cliff is
the GOP believing 20% is enough.

20% doesn't win elections. They're being shunted to the side of the
mainstream, as they should be for their racism and fear-based propaganda.


Jobs will be an issue. If they continue to turn around, then the Dems
don't
have much to worry about.

I am just not sure what these people are going to do. We have exported
most manufacturing and we have several years worth of built and unsold
houses, condos and commercial buildings.

Yes, but the jobs situation is starting to turn around. If that continues...

Totally agree with the huckster comment. I don't see anyone out there who
truly represents a thinking Republican party voter.

The GOP lost me around 1989-90 but the Democrats never appealed that
much to me either.

I self-identify as a Democrat, but that's mainly because there's no other
rational alternative.

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Nom=de=Plume