John H wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:21:51 -0500, Jim wrote:

Harry wrote:
On 12/26/09 12:20 AM, Steve B wrote:
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On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:23:51 -0800, "Steve B"
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"John wrote in message
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...Change is coming!

The NYTimes is giving seniors a Christmas present to ponder.

http://tinyurl.com/yl9vumo

"Peter R. Orszag, the White House budget director and a disciple of
the Dartmouth data, has noted. "We can no longer afford an overall
health care system in which the thought is more is always better,
because it's not.""

Another - "Because Dartmouth's analysis focuses solely on patients who
have died, a case like Mr. Putrus's would not show up in its data.
That is why critics say Dartmouth's approach takes an overly
pessimistic view of medicine: if you consider only the patients who
die, there is really no way to know whether it makes sense to spend
more on one case than another."

A preview of things to come?
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Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H
If they were serious about saving money, wouldn't they just all get
on a
conference call instead of flying their jets to Denmark to schmooze
around?

Barry has some expensive tastes, and so does Michelle.

Steve

Jon Stewart pointed out that these climate savers managed to lease
every limo in western europe, some couriered in from as far away as
Germany so nobody had to share a ride.
Well, you can't have people who are interested in saving the planet
have to
ride two to a limo or two to a jet, now can you. It's just not done.

I wonder how many heating oil tanks could have been filled for what was
spent on that extravaganza.

BTW, what's a caviar wedge? I understand they ate a lot of caviar. That
would have bought a lot of turkeys at the shelters.

I bet they had expensive cognac and real Cuban cigars, too.

Nothing too good for our tax dollars.

Steve


Does anyone recall "stevie" objecting when bush was spending like a
drunken sailor, and cutting taxes for the wealthy at the same time?

Hypocrisy, thy real name is republican/conservative. Nothing is piled
higher than republican/conservative b.s.


Nothing except the burgeoning public debt.

Did someone justify Obama's spending using Bush as a rationale?

How silly.

I think it was Krausie that first introduced that insane rationalization.
Now that his boy isn't doing so well, we can look forward to Krausie
vocalizing the DNCs lame apologies for their shining star tripping all
over himself.
It's going to be a busy two years for Krausie. I'll bet that even Sarah
Palin could beat his boy in 2012.

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:54:19 -0500, Jim wrote:


I think it was Krausie that first introduced that insane
rationalization. Now that his boy isn't doing so well, we can look
forward to Krausie vocalizing the DNCs lame apologies for their shining
star tripping all over himself.
It's going to be a busy two years for Krausie. I'll bet that even Sarah
Palin could beat his boy in 2012.

"His boy?" I think you mean *our* President. You can live in denial,
but I'll point out Obama's main legislative agenda, health care reform,
looks to be on track for passage. The recession is over and jobs *will*
rebound. Not at all bad for his *first* year in office. I'm thinking
Obama is becoming unstoppable.

As for Palin, I was recently talking to a diehard Republican who is
convinced she is working for the Democrats. In his opinion, nothing else
explains the damage she is doing the Republican Party.

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:33:25 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:54:19 -0500, Jim wrote:


I think it was Krausie that first introduced that insane
rationalization. Now that his boy isn't doing so well, we can look
forward to Krausie vocalizing the DNCs lame apologies for their shining
star tripping all over himself.
It's going to be a busy two years for Krausie. I'll bet that even Sarah
Palin could beat his boy in 2012.

"His boy?" I think you mean *our* President. You can live in denial,
but I'll point out Obama's main legislative agenda, health care reform,
looks to be on track for passage. The recession is over and jobs *will*
rebound. Not at all bad for his *first* year in office. I'm thinking
Obama is becoming unstoppable.

As for Palin, I was recently talking to a diehard Republican who is
convinced she is working for the Democrats. In his opinion, nothing else
explains the damage she is doing the Republican Party.

Obama gets my vote as Messiah of the year! Your boy can do no wrong.

http://tinyurl.com/y8ov56y
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John H

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Churchill

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:54:54 -0500, John H wrote:


"His boy?" I think you mean *our* President. You can live in denial,
but I'll point out Obama's main legislative agenda, health care reform,
looks to be on track for passage. The recession is over and jobs *will*
rebound. Not at all bad for his *first* year in office. I'm thinking
Obama is becoming unstoppable.

As for Palin, I was recently talking to a diehard Republican who is
convinced she is working for the Democrats. In his opinion, nothing
else explains the damage she is doing the Republican Party.

Obama gets my vote as Messiah of the year! Your boy can do no wrong.

http://tinyurl.com/y8ov56y

Yup, it sure is starting to look that way. Sure does suck to be a
Republican these days, doesn't it?

thunder wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:54:54 -0500, John H wrote:


"His boy?" I think you mean *our* President. You can live in denial,
but I'll point out Obama's main legislative agenda, health care reform,
looks to be on track for passage. The recession is over and jobs *will*
rebound. Not at all bad for his *first* year in office. I'm thinking
Obama is becoming unstoppable.

As for Palin, I was recently talking to a diehard Republican who is
convinced she is working for the Democrats. In his opinion, nothing
else explains the damage she is doing the Republican Party.
Obama gets my vote as Messiah of the year! Your boy can do no wrong.

http://tinyurl.com/y8ov56y

Yup, it sure is starting to look that way. Sure does suck to be a
Republican these days, doesn't it?

I guess he's your boy as well.
Americans are nervous about your boy running amok in our candy store
handing out goodies to his friends.

"Jim" wrote

\ I guess he's your boy as well.
Americans are nervous about your boy running amok in our candy store
handing out goodies to his friends.

It's a little late for that. He's done give the candy store away.

Steve

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:54:54 -0500, John H wrote:


"His boy?" I think you mean *our* President. You can live in denial,
but I'll point out Obama's main legislative agenda, health care reform,
looks to be on track for passage. The recession is over and jobs *will*
rebound. Not at all bad for his *first* year in office. I'm thinking
Obama is becoming unstoppable.

As for Palin, I was recently talking to a diehard Republican who is
convinced she is working for the Democrats. In his opinion, nothing
else explains the damage she is doing the Republican Party.

Obama gets my vote as Messiah of the year! Your boy can do no wrong.

http://tinyurl.com/y8ov56y

Yup, it sure is starting to look that way. Sure does suck to be a
Republican these days, doesn't it?

Obama and Emanuel had better stop running afoul of the Daley machine.

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:54:54 -0500, John H wrote:


"His boy?" I think you mean *our* President. You can live in denial,
but I'll point out Obama's main legislative agenda, health care reform,
looks to be on track for passage. The recession is over and jobs *will*
rebound. Not at all bad for his *first* year in office. I'm thinking
Obama is becoming unstoppable.

As for Palin, I was recently talking to a diehard Republican who is
convinced she is working for the Democrats. In his opinion, nothing
else explains the damage she is doing the Republican Party.

Obama gets my vote as Messiah of the year! Your boy can do no wrong.

http://tinyurl.com/y8ov56y

Yup, it sure is starting to look that way. Sure does suck to be a
Republican these days, doesn't it?


Thunder, they're really embarassed by Palin... the normal, sane ones. The
ones who think she's actually presidential material are not normal. It
really ****es them off (the latter), who can't understand why normal folks
aren't willing to follow them down the path to destruction.

If the jobs situation turns around before the next Congressional election,
the Dems will likely increase their lead in the House and perhaps even the
Senate. If the economy continues to rebound, Obama will be reelected in
another landslide. So far, I haven't seen a viable presidential-level Rep.,
but of course it's way early.

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Nom=de=Plume

On 12/26/09 11:48 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:54:54 -0500, John H wrote:


"His boy?" I think you mean *our* President. You can live in denial,
but I'll point out Obama's main legislative agenda, health care reform,
looks to be on track for passage. The recession is over and jobs *will*
rebound. Not at all bad for his *first* year in office. I'm thinking
Obama is becoming unstoppable.

As for Palin, I was recently talking to a diehard Republican who is
convinced she is working for the Democrats. In his opinion, nothing
else explains the damage she is doing the Republican Party.

Obama gets my vote as Messiah of the year! Your boy can do no wrong.

http://tinyurl.com/y8ov56y

Yup, it sure is starting to look that way. Sure does suck to be a
Republican these days, doesn't it?


Thunder, they're really embarassed by Palin... the normal, sane ones. The
ones who think she's actually presidential material are not normal. It
really ****es them off (the latter), who can't understand why normal folks
aren't willing to follow them down the path to destruction.

If the jobs situation turns around before the next Congressional election,
the Dems will likely increase their lead in the House and perhaps even the
Senate. If the economy continues to rebound, Obama will be reelected in
another landslide. So far, I haven't seen a viable presidential-level Rep.,
but of course it's way early.



Palin is even less qualified for high office than Dubya was. You'd think
eight years of his incompetency would make voters wary about dumb,
simple-minded pols...

Look who supports Palin he BAR, herring, jackoff, et cetera...the
dumbest of the dumb.

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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:48:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Thunder, they're really embarassed by Palin... the normal, sane ones. The
ones who think she's actually presidential material are not normal. It
really ****es them off (the latter), who can't understand why normal folks
aren't willing to follow them down the path to destruction.

If the jobs situation turns around before the next Congressional election,
the Dems will likely increase their lead in the House and perhaps even the
Senate. If the economy continues to rebound, Obama will be reelected in
another landslide. So far, I haven't seen a viable presidential-level
Rep.,
but of course it's way early.

I think the GOP is well placed to take the Senate back in 2010 and
make a dent in the house majority. People will be going to the polls
just about the time the 2011 health care options period closes and
people will still be stinging from the sticker shock of the inevitable
increases that will be here from "free health care".
I am sure the deficit will be going up more and employment will still
be grim. We are not going to replace all those UAW jobs and
construction will still be dead. The "commercial construction" shoe is
just starting to drop. All those new strip malls they built to serve
the houses they didn't sell are sitting empty.
It will be a target rich environment.
The real question is whether they can soften this whacko position they
seem to be taking with Palin, Beck and Limbaugh. The winners will
probably be the ones who can stay fiscally conservative but distance
themselves from the cliff some have been leaping off.
The problem I see is they have not really found a voice that isn't
simply a huckster, making money off of the vacuum in the party
leadership.


How so? Which states/seats do you think are borderline? The Dems would have
to lose quite a few, and the Senate is typically pretty stable.

There's no "free health care" in the current or expected bill, so that's
just your musing or right-wing fear-induced.

The deficit isn't a bread and butter issue with most people. You're talking
about the budget deficit and not the trade deficit right? Just checking.

There's no way in my view that they can "soften" the wacko view. Wacko is
wacko. Most people don't listen to their lies, although a big number do,
unfortunately. Not sure what cliff you're referring to..

Jobs will be an issue. If they continue to turn around, then the Dems don't
have much to worry about.

Totally agree with the huckster comment. I don't see anyone out there who
truly represents a thinking Republican party voter.

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Nom=de=Plume