Harry wrote:
On 12/20/09 4:15 PM, Frogwatch wrote:
On Dec 20, 4:03 pm, "Bill wrote:
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Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 20, 8:49 am, Tom Francis - SWSports
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Often I'm accused of "avoiding" truth when it comes to AGW. I'm the
"creationist" in a sense that I don't understand the highly complex
nature of climate anatomy. I'm picking on "details". I'm a
corporate
schill. I don't understand "peer review" (even though I have "peer
reviewed" over 600 math texts, dissertations and master's thesis
in my
life). Yada, yada, yada.

Ok - without getting into the politics, I want Loogy and the
other AGW
types to defend this.

http://www.financialpost.com/opinion...tml?id=62e1c98...


Remember - this is your side - this is how you are presenting your
information. This describes what happens when one of the most widely
used sources of information is controlled and massaged and only one
side of the "science" is presented.

Go ahead - defend this.

I'll wait.

Okay. Just because SOME (a very small percentage) tried to cook some
books does in no way shape nor form prove whether or not global
warming is or isn't occuring.

And why we need 100% rational hard real scientists to look at the
issue
without the policitical money grabing schemes. Currently it is about
money, money greed. Carbon tax, carbon credits and extortion. That
isn't science, that is political greed and nanny state BS.

Even if it is warming, is that so bad? Equatorial zones have
evaporation
to keep temperatures moderate, but the polar areas would get most
of the
warming. Is that so bad you can golf or go boating in norther US or
Canada in January?

Hell, that is green, as more green further north would not hurt
mankind.
Be it golf green or green in your pocket. My utility bill would even
become more moderate and less carbon to heat my home at -35C.

Eco nuts are "sky is falling" nut balls following the government
love in
for excuses for more taxes. Someone wise once said to me, always
follow
the money for your answers. Well the green thing is fostered by
government greed for taxation, be it carbon taxes or carbon credits
it is
about taking our money for them to waste on GM/Bank/Government like
ponzi
schemes. In the mean time, more green lawns and forrests will absorb
more carbon. Nature has a unique way of balancing the Earth and eco
freeks just don't want to admit that hard fact of reality.

Good grief... well, you've pretty much summed up the loonieness of the
deniers. Good for you!

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Nom=de=Plume

You just accentuated the loonieness of the gullible.

I defy anybody to show me tide guage data showing seal level rise
increase since 1900.
I defy anybody to show me tree ring data showing warming since 1960.
So, THERE IS NO evidence for AGW at all. If you believe there is,
then show me the data. Put up or shut up.




Here ya go, Mr. Science Junior:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Re...Level_Rise.png

Go ahead...dispute that data, and in as complete a fashion.

Put up or shut up.


I would like to see how they measured it, if I measured temperatures in
a downtown area, of course the temeratres have risen. It didn't account
for asphalt and concreate replacing trees.

Probably land errosion.

Here is one, a big picture view:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fi...ate_Change.png

Since it is signifigantly cooler today than when apes evolved, it is
welcome that it is warming.

Because the long term trend looks pretty bad for mankinds survival if
the 5 million year curve continues it's dip.

Or a more mid term view:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...emperature.png

Looks like we were about due for a spike. My CO2 didn't cause the 4
other blips in the last 500,000 years. In fact, with a keen eye you can
see a very definitive patern. And this started some 10,000 years go for
the recent ramp up. Explain this please?

Given ice volume is inversely proportian to animal and reptile life, I
do not fear warming.

Maybe explain this one?

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...Variations.png

Looks like we were sliping back into a glacial period. Please explain
why you want it to get cooler? Give me 5 substantiated reasons why
mankind will be harmed if it warms up a bit. I don't mean some idiot
that has a well dry up, happens all the time. I want a humanity view.
Why would it be so bad if a 75 billion acres of sea could raise shrimp
and not ice?