Cap and fraud...
 

On Dec 20, 11:09*am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 1e66ea68-6345-4d9a-b4b5-a81324bb33d0
@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 19, 9:44*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re....

Huh - how about that...

It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.

seems you are the only one who listens to Ruch and Hannity. We really
just keep them out there to make your head blow up.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I DO listen to Hannity. It's comical as hell to listen to people who
have they heads so far up their ass that they think he's not a lying
piece of crap that will tell ANY like for ratings.

Cap and fraud...
 

On Dec 20, 10:43*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re....

Huh - how about that...

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../27/chain-emai...

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../23/chain-emai...

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../27/mary-matal...

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../20/christophe...

And here's a good one about the right's idea that more CO2 is actually
good for the environment:

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../07/plantsneed...

The gist of Tom's post was the "cap and trade" fraud in Europe and the
potential for the same here in the US. Do you disagree with that premise?- Hide quoted text -

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Yes, because as far as a know, people just aren't very good at
correctly and precisely predicting the future. Also, who told this
nitwit Schulz that our system will be like Europes?

Cap and fraud...
 

On Dec 20, 10:33*am, Jack wrote:
On Dec 20, 9:39*am, Loogypicker wrote:





On Dec 20, 9:23*am, Jack wrote:

On Dec 20, 8:53*am, Loogypicker wrote:

On Dec 20, 8:32*am, Jack wrote:

On Dec 20, 8:16*am, Loogypicker wrote:

On Dec 19, 9:44*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...

Huh - how about that...

It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.

So instead of attacking the messenger, which is your side's MO, how
about addressing the quotation. *Specifically, what part of it isn't
true, and why?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Easy! First, if you read the whole article, not just the cherry picked
parts, you'll see that they are discussing Europe's cap and trade
problems saying that we will have the same problems. This without even
knowing how we are going to model our system. Pretty audacious if the
right wing thinks that their side can predict the future.

You're movving the goalposts. *You stated that a thought was cherry-
picked, presented as fact, and went on to try to smear it as a lie.

No I didn't. Show everyone where I said that the quote was a lie.

The quote you attacked as a lie was: "This is the problem with
politicians trying to create a market for something that the free
market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

Again, no I didn't. Show me where I attacked the quote as a lie.

What *specifically* in that quote is not true. *C'mon, you attempted
to smear it as a cherry-picked lie, so it should be easy to point out
the falsehood in the quote.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Again, show me where I said the quote was a lie.
Where you wrote: "...run with it as the truth too." *The word "too"

indicates you also think this quote, to which you were responding, is
a lie also... "too".

Uh, no. Now YOU are cherry picking. Read my whole paragraph, and maybe
you'll comprehend what was said.

Now, do you think the quote is the truth? *Since you're now
backpedalling from calling it a lie, it must be true. *So why did you
attack it, and it's messenger?- Hide quoted text -

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I'm not backpeddling from ****. YOU accused me of saying something I
didn't say.

Cap and fraud...
 

On Dec 20, 9:57*am, John H wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:23:02 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:





On Dec 20, 8:53*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 20, 8:32*am, Jack wrote:

On Dec 20, 8:16*am, Loogypicker wrote:

On Dec 19, 9:44*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...

Huh - how about that...

It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.

So instead of attacking the messenger, which is your side's MO, how
about addressing the quotation. *Specifically, what part of it isn't
true, and why?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Easy! First, if you read the whole article, not just the cherry picked
parts, you'll see that they are discussing Europe's cap and trade
problems saying that we will have the same problems. This without even
knowing how we are going to model our system. Pretty audacious if the
right wing thinks that their side can predict the future.

You're movving the goalposts. *You stated that a thought was cherry-
picked, presented as fact, and went on to try to smear it as a lie.

The quote you attacked as a lie was: "This is the problem with
politicians trying to create a market for something that the free
market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

What *specifically* in that quote is not true. *C'mon, you attempted
to smear it as a cherry-picked lie, so it should be easy to point out
the falsehood in the quote.

Do I hear the chirping of crickets?

Or is my tinnitis acting up again?
--

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

John H- Hide quoted text -

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Must be your tinnitis, or you narrow mindedness. I answered him. Did I
not answer in a timely enough manner for you?

Cap and fraud...
 

In article 339e705b-aa2c-45b0-8dfb-
,
says...

On Dec 20, 11:11*am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 8ab39275-4f53-4342-be57-97ae507a3f19
@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 20, 8:32*am, Jack wrote:
On Dec 20, 8:16*am, Loogypicker wrote:

On Dec 19, 9:44*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...

Huh - how about that...

It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.

So instead of attacking the messenger, which is your side's MO, how
about addressing the quotation. *Specifically, what part of it isn't
true, and why?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Easy! First, if you read the whole article, not just the cherry picked
parts, you'll see that they are discussing Europe's cap and trade
problems saying that we will have the same problems. This without even
knowing how we are going to model our system. Pretty audacious if the
right wing thinks that their side can predict the future.

If you look at the Czars and others President Obama has put in charge of
such policy, you can get a pretty good idea, it's not rocket science...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What in HELL does that have to do with the right acting like they have
the ability to predict the future? They've done it before too. Look at
healthcare. For some stupid reason, they think it will be like the
UK's plan. They'll bring up the failed systems and say, "see, that's
what it will be like for us". You NEVER see them point to a well
though out system that works very well and say "see, that's what it
will be like for us"......
Why? PURE politics. They would rather play politics than do what's
right for the country.

Show me where you didn't say you would rather play politics than do
what's right for the country?

Cap and fraud...
 

On Dec 20, 12:41*pm, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 339e705b-aa2c-45b0-8dfb-
,
says...







On Dec 20, 11:11*am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 8ab39275-4f53-4342-be57-97ae507a3f19
@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 20, 8:32*am, Jack wrote:
On Dec 20, 8:16*am, Loogypicker wrote:

On Dec 19, 9:44*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...

Huh - how about that...

It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.

So instead of attacking the messenger, which is your side's MO, how
about addressing the quotation. *Specifically, what part of it isn't
true, and why?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Easy! First, if you read the whole article, not just the cherry picked
parts, you'll see that they are discussing Europe's cap and trade
problems saying that we will have the same problems. This without even
knowing how we are going to model our system. Pretty audacious if the
right wing thinks that their side can predict the future.

If you look at the Czars and others President Obama has put in charge of
such policy, you can get a pretty good idea, it's not rocket science....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What in HELL does that have to do with the right acting like they have
the ability to predict the future? They've done it before too. Look at
healthcare. For some stupid reason, they think it will be like the
UK's plan. They'll bring up the failed systems and say, "see, that's
what it will be like for us". You NEVER see them point to a well
though out system that works very well and say "see, that's what it
will be like for us"......
Why? PURE politics. They would rather play politics than do what's
right for the country.

Show me where you didn't say you would rather play politics than do
what's right for the country?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That makes absolutely NO sense.

Cap and fraud...
 

On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:16:44 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker
wrote:

On Dec 19, 9:44*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...

Huh - how about that...

It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.

I have come to know you on a personal level over the past few months -
you're a good guy - a little weird, but then again, most of us are on
some way.

But this kind of reply bothers me. "Cherry pick"? It's not "cherry"
picking at all - it's a fact. Fraud is rampant - something that I've
been pointing out for years. This isn't "cherry" picking - it's
governments actively creating a market that is basically unregulated
and uncontrollable and, frankly, unsupported unless you count
government money backing the concept.

Wake up man - this is all about economic control and the ones who play
along get to play. It's the Robber Baron economy all over again.

Cap and fraud...
 

"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Dec 20, 8:16 am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...

Huh - how about that...

It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.

So instead of attacking the messenger, which is your side's MO, how
about addressing the quotation. Specifically, what part of it isn't
true, and why?


So, please name an industry that is exempt from fraud.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Cap and fraud...
 

In article 8bfc5ae5-ce97-4687-8830-
, says...

On Dec 20, 12:41*pm, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 339e705b-aa2c-45b0-8dfb-
,
says...







On Dec 20, 11:11*am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 8ab39275-4f53-4342-be57-97ae507a3f19
@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 20, 8:32*am, Jack wrote:
On Dec 20, 8:16*am, Loogypicker wrote:

On Dec 19, 9:44*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...

Huh - how about that...

It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.

So instead of attacking the messenger, which is your side's MO, how
about addressing the quotation. *Specifically, what part of it isn't
true, and why?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Easy! First, if you read the whole article, not just the cherry picked
parts, you'll see that they are discussing Europe's cap and trade
problems saying that we will have the same problems. This without even
knowing how we are going to model our system. Pretty audacious if the
right wing thinks that their side can predict the future.

If you look at the Czars and others President Obama has put in charge of
such policy, you can get a pretty good idea, it's not rocket science...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What in HELL does that have to do with the right acting like they have
the ability to predict the future? They've done it before too. Look at
healthcare. For some stupid reason, they think it will be like the
UK's plan. They'll bring up the failed systems and say, "see, that's
what it will be like for us". You NEVER see them point to a well
though out system that works very well and say "see, that's what it
will be like for us"......
Why? PURE politics. They would rather play politics than do what's
right for the country.

Show me where you didn't say you would rather play politics than do
what's right for the country?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That makes absolutely NO sense.

Now you are catching on...

Cap and fraud...
 

Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 20, 11:11 am, I am Tosk
wrote:
In article 8ab39275-4f53-4342-be57-97ae507a3f19
@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Dec 20, 8:32 am, Jack wrote:
On Dec 20, 8:16 am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for
something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said.
"An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created
market...."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re...
Huh - how about that...
It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and
present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know
that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that
Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too.
So instead of attacking the messenger, which is your side's MO, how
about addressing the quotation. Specifically, what part of it isn't
true, and why?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Easy! First, if you read the whole article, not just the cherry picked
parts, you'll see that they are discussing Europe's cap and trade
problems saying that we will have the same problems. This without even
knowing how we are going to model our system. Pretty audacious if the
right wing thinks that their side can predict the future.
If you look at the Czars and others President Obama has put in charge of
such policy, you can get a pretty good idea, it's not rocket science...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What in HELL does that have to do with the right acting like they have
the ability to predict the future? They've done it before too. Look at
healthcare. For some stupid reason, they think it will be like the
UK's plan. They'll bring up the failed systems and say, "see, that's
what it will be like for us". You NEVER see them point to a well
though out system that works very well and say "see, that's what it
will be like for us"......
Why? PURE politics. They would rather play politics than do what's
right for the country.


Will "it" work as "well" as Medicare? 8)