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Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 20, 1:40 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 11:11 am, I am Tosk wrote: In article 8ab39275-4f53-4342-be57-97ae507a3f19 @m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 20, 8:32 am, Jack wrote: On Dec 20, 8:16 am, Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too. So instead of attacking the messenger, which is your side's MO, how about addressing the quotation. Specifically, what part of it isn't true, and why?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Easy! First, if you read the whole article, not just the cherry picked parts, you'll see that they are discussing Europe's cap and trade problems saying that we will have the same problems. This without even knowing how we are going to model our system. Pretty audacious if the right wing thinks that their side can predict the future. If you look at the Czars and others President Obama has put in charge of such policy, you can get a pretty good idea, it's not rocket science...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What in HELL does that have to do with the right acting like they have the ability to predict the future? They've done it before too. Look at healthcare. For some stupid reason, they think it will be like the UK's plan. They'll bring up the failed systems and say, "see, that's what it will be like for us". You NEVER see them point to a well though out system that works very well and say "see, that's what it will be like for us"...... Why? PURE politics. They would rather play politics than do what's right for the country. Will "it" work as "well" as Medicare? 8)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Again, apparently the right wing can predict the future, so they'll know the answer to that. Fore warned is fore armed. |
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On 12/20/09 2:31 PM, D.Duck wrote:
Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 1:47 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 10:43 am, "D.Duck" wrote: Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../27/chain-emai... http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../23/chain-emai... http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../27/mary-matal... http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../20/christophe... And here's a good one about the right's idea that more CO2 is actually good for the environment: http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../07/plantsneed... The gist of Tom's post was the "cap and trade" fraud in Europe and the potential for the same here in the US. Do you disagree with that premise?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, because as far as a know, people just aren't very good at correctly and precisely predicting the future. Also, who told this nitwit Schulz that our system will be like Europes? As proposed the trading will be handled with the likes of Merril Lynch. Were you happy with the way these folks handled like transactions in the past?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What "like" transactions would that be? "like" = financial derivatives, e.g. CDS It upsets me that our weak congress, and both parties are to blame, was not willing to put a noose around the neck of the financial services industry. |
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Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 20, 1:17 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:16:44 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too. I have come to know you on a personal level over the past few months - you're a good guy - a little weird, but then again, most of us are on some way. Weird? I consider that a compliment, thanks! But this kind of reply bothers me. "Cherry pick"? It's not "cherry" picking at all - it's a fact. Fraud is rampant - something that I've been pointing out for years. This isn't "cherry" picking - it's governments actively creating a market that is basically unregulated and uncontrollable and, frankly, unsupported unless you count government money backing the concept. Wake up man - this is all about economic control and the ones who play along get to play. It's the Robber Baron economy all over again.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There's fraud to a certain degree in everything political. I thought the "left" was so sick of the fraud they want to clean it up. Why create additional programs that will most likely be turned into a cash cow for those so inclined to game the system. |
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
"This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... |
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Harry wrote:
On 12/20/09 2:31 PM, D.Duck wrote: Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 1:47 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 10:43 am, "D.Duck" wrote: Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../27/chain-emai... http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../23/chain-emai... http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../27/mary-matal... http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../20/christophe... And here's a good one about the right's idea that more CO2 is actually good for the environment: http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../07/plantsneed... The gist of Tom's post was the "cap and trade" fraud in Europe and the potential for the same here in the US. Do you disagree with that premise?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, because as far as a know, people just aren't very good at correctly and precisely predicting the future. Also, who told this nitwit Schulz that our system will be like Europes? As proposed the trading will be handled with the likes of Merril Lynch. Were you happy with the way these folks handled like transactions in the past?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What "like" transactions would that be? "like" = financial derivatives, e.g. CDS It upsets me that our weak congress, and both parties are to blame, was not willing to put a noose around the neck of the financial services industry. Amen.... |
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Gene wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:44:35 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Textbook example of Faux News.... Organized Crime is present ANYWHERE mass quantities of money is found, though the concept of carbon credits is purely idiotic.... Cap and trade is a world wide fraud. Just that our politicians will not come out and say it. It is a tax by dysfunctional banana republics on successful western nations. Bet China doesn't partake. But our politicians have egos to drive and want to play big shot in the world arean of politics. |
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On Dec 20, 12:42*pm, Gene wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:44:35 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... Textbook example of Faux News.... *Organized Crime is present ANYWHERE mass quantities of money is found, though the concept of carbon credits is purely idiotic.... So a news agency isn't allowed to report on something that *is* happening? I guess it has to agree with your political bent to be allowed to be reported. Meanwhile you agree the whole concept is bogus... control that knee, Gene. |
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On Dec 20, 12:24*pm, Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 20, 10:33*am, Jack wrote: On Dec 20, 9:39*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 9:23*am, Jack wrote: On Dec 20, 8:53*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 8:32*am, Jack wrote: On Dec 20, 8:16*am, Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 19, 9:44*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too. So instead of attacking the messenger, which is your side's MO, how about addressing the quotation. *Specifically, what part of it isn't true, and why?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Easy! First, if you read the whole article, not just the cherry picked parts, you'll see that they are discussing Europe's cap and trade problems saying that we will have the same problems. This without even knowing how we are going to model our system. Pretty audacious if the right wing thinks that their side can predict the future. You're movving the goalposts. *You stated that a thought was cherry- picked, presented as fact, and went on to try to smear it as a lie. No I didn't. Show everyone where I said that the quote was a lie. The quote you attacked as a lie was: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." Again, no I didn't. Show me where I attacked the quote as a lie. What *specifically* in that quote is not true. *C'mon, you attempted to smear it as a cherry-picked lie, so it should be easy to point out the falsehood in the quote.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Again, show me where I said the quote was a lie. Where you wrote: "...run with it as the truth too." *The word "too" indicates you also think this quote, to which you were responding, is a lie also... "too". Uh, no. Now YOU are cherry picking. Read my whole paragraph, and maybe you'll comprehend what was said. Now, do you think the quote is the truth? *Since you're now backpedalling from calling it a lie, it must be true. *So why did you attack it, and it's messenger?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm not backpeddling from ****. YOU accused me of saying something I didn't say. You obviously don't understand the meaning of the words you use. I'm sure I can't teach you in a few sentences. Meanwhile, you are no better than the ones you rail against here. Congrats. |
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On 12/20/09 2:48 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
Gene wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:44:35 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Textbook example of Faux News.... Organized Crime is present ANYWHERE mass quantities of money is found, though the concept of carbon credits is purely idiotic.... Cap and trade is a world wide fraud. You and SW Tom ought to get together and co-post your absurd pronouncements. Really. You know what real fraud is? It's Aetna Joe holding up serious health care insurance reform. |
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 11:11 am, I am Tosk wrote: In article 8ab39275-4f53-4342-be57-97ae507a3f19 @m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 20, 8:32 am, Jack wrote: On Dec 20, 8:16 am, Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too. So instead of attacking the messenger, which is your side's MO, how about addressing the quotation. Specifically, what part of it isn't true, and why?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Easy! First, if you read the whole article, not just the cherry picked parts, you'll see that they are discussing Europe's cap and trade problems saying that we will have the same problems. This without even knowing how we are going to model our system. Pretty audacious if the right wing thinks that their side can predict the future. If you look at the Czars and others President Obama has put in charge of such policy, you can get a pretty good idea, it's not rocket science...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What in HELL does that have to do with the right acting like they have the ability to predict the future? They've done it before too. Look at healthcare. For some stupid reason, they think it will be like the UK's plan. They'll bring up the failed systems and say, "see, that's what it will be like for us". You NEVER see them point to a well though out system that works very well and say "see, that's what it will be like for us"...... Why? PURE politics. They would rather play politics than do what's right for the country. Will "it" work as "well" as Medicare? 8) I'm sure you're first in line to voluntarily give it up. And, if not you, I'm sure you'll be happy to volunteer your family members to do that. My point is the amount of fraud brought to Medicare. The Government cannot seem to control it. Will they be able to control the inevitable fraud that will be associated with "cap and trade"? The gov't can't control it because the fraud investigators have not been given the resources to deal with it. As I said, there's always fraud around. So, your question really is a non sequitur. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
... Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 1:40 pm, "D.Duck" wrote: Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 11:11 am, I am Tosk wrote: In article 8ab39275-4f53-4342-be57-97ae507a3f19 @m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 20, 8:32 am, Jack wrote: On Dec 20, 8:16 am, Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too. So instead of attacking the messenger, which is your side's MO, how about addressing the quotation. Specifically, what part of it isn't true, and why?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Easy! First, if you read the whole article, not just the cherry picked parts, you'll see that they are discussing Europe's cap and trade problems saying that we will have the same problems. This without even knowing how we are going to model our system. Pretty audacious if the right wing thinks that their side can predict the future. If you look at the Czars and others President Obama has put in charge of such policy, you can get a pretty good idea, it's not rocket science...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What in HELL does that have to do with the right acting like they have the ability to predict the future? They've done it before too. Look at healthcare. For some stupid reason, they think it will be like the UK's plan. They'll bring up the failed systems and say, "see, that's what it will be like for us". You NEVER see them point to a well though out system that works very well and say "see, that's what it will be like for us"...... Why? PURE politics. They would rather play politics than do what's right for the country. Will "it" work as "well" as Medicare? 8)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Again, apparently the right wing can predict the future, so they'll know the answer to that. Fore warned is fore armed. Man the lifeboats. Makes about as much sense. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
... Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 1:17 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:16:44 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too. I have come to know you on a personal level over the past few months - you're a good guy - a little weird, but then again, most of us are on some way. Weird? I consider that a compliment, thanks! But this kind of reply bothers me. "Cherry pick"? It's not "cherry" picking at all - it's a fact. Fraud is rampant - something that I've been pointing out for years. This isn't "cherry" picking - it's governments actively creating a market that is basically unregulated and uncontrollable and, frankly, unsupported unless you count government money backing the concept. Wake up man - this is all about economic control and the ones who play along get to play. It's the Robber Baron economy all over again.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There's fraud to a certain degree in everything political. I thought the "left" was so sick of the fraud they want to clean it up. Why create additional programs that will most likely be turned into a cash cow for those so inclined to game the system. I thought you might be rational. I was wrong. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 1:17 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:16:44 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too. I have come to know you on a personal level over the past few months - you're a good guy - a little weird, but then again, most of us are on some way. Weird? I consider that a compliment, thanks! But this kind of reply bothers me. "Cherry pick"? It's not "cherry" picking at all - it's a fact. Fraud is rampant - something that I've been pointing out for years. This isn't "cherry" picking - it's governments actively creating a market that is basically unregulated and uncontrollable and, frankly, unsupported unless you count government money backing the concept. Wake up man - this is all about economic control and the ones who play along get to play. It's the Robber Baron economy all over again.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There's fraud to a certain degree in everything political. I thought the "left" was so sick of the fraud they want to clean it up. Why create additional programs that will most likely be turned into a cash cow for those so inclined to game the system. I thought you might be rational. I was wrong. Define rational, Dingbat. -- Imagine being such a worthless p.o.s. that you post on usenet using someone else's ID |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 11:11 am, I am Tosk wrote: In article 8ab39275-4f53-4342-be57-97ae507a3f19 @m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 20, 8:32 am, Jack wrote: On Dec 20, 8:16 am, Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too. So instead of attacking the messenger, which is your side's MO, how about addressing the quotation. Specifically, what part of it isn't true, and why?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Easy! First, if you read the whole article, not just the cherry picked parts, you'll see that they are discussing Europe's cap and trade problems saying that we will have the same problems. This without even knowing how we are going to model our system. Pretty audacious if the right wing thinks that their side can predict the future. If you look at the Czars and others President Obama has put in charge of such policy, you can get a pretty good idea, it's not rocket science...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What in HELL does that have to do with the right acting like they have the ability to predict the future? They've done it before too. Look at healthcare. For some stupid reason, they think it will be like the UK's plan. They'll bring up the failed systems and say, "see, that's what it will be like for us". You NEVER see them point to a well though out system that works very well and say "see, that's what it will be like for us"...... Why? PURE politics. They would rather play politics than do what's right for the country. Will "it" work as "well" as Medicare? 8) I'm sure you're first in line to voluntarily give it up. And, if not you, I'm sure you'll be happy to volunteer your family members to do that. My point is the amount of fraud brought to Medicare. The Government cannot seem to control it. Will they be able to control the inevitable fraud that will be associated with "cap and trade"? The gov't can't control it because the fraud investigators have not been given the resources to deal with it. As I said, there's always fraud around. So, your question really is a non sequitur. One guess as to why the Gov't WON'T control fraud. -- Imagine being such a worthless p.o.s. that you post on usenet using someone else's ID |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:16:44 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too. I have come to know you on a personal level over the past few months - you're a good guy - a little weird, but then again, most of us are on some way. But this kind of reply bothers me. "Cherry pick"? It's not "cherry" picking at all - it's a fact. Fraud is rampant - something that I've been pointing out for years. This isn't "cherry" picking - it's governments actively creating a market that is basically unregulated and uncontrollable and, frankly, unsupported unless you count government money backing the concept. Wake up man - this is all about economic control and the ones who play along get to play. It's the Robber Baron economy all over again. No, fraud is not "rampant." Fraud exists in most programs. Oh Boy. -- Imagine being such a worthless p.o.s. that you post on usenet using someone else's ID |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:09:37 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote: In article 1e66ea68-6345-4d9a-b4b5-a81324bb33d0 , says... On Dec 19, 9:44*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too. seems you are the only one who listens to Ruch and Hannity. We really just keep them out there to make your head blow up. Loogy probably listens to Hannity for the same reason some folks pay attention to Loogy. It's funny! -- Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year! John H |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:10:08 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm a Chevy guy myself, so I thank one and all for their support. --Vic |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm sure you can't actually be seriously making that argument! -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
... On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:10:08 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm a Chevy guy myself, so I thank one and all for their support. --Vic I own a Ford (truck) and a foreign car. :) -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 12/20/09 7:49 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Vic wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:10:08 -0700, wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm a Chevy guy myself, so I thank one and all for their support. --Vic I own a Ford (truck) and a foreign car. :) I have a half-Japanese car, an all British car, and an all-German car. My wife has a Detroit car. I've got a potential buyer for the British car. Maybe. |
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D.Duck wrote:
Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 20, 1:17 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:16:44 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 19, 9:44 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... It's amazing how your side can cherry pick people's thoughts and present just that as fact and expect everyone to eat it up. I know that many on the right will, afterall, they'll take some lie that Hannity or Rush tells them and run with it as the truth too. I have come to know you on a personal level over the past few months - you're a good guy - a little weird, but then again, most of us are on some way. Weird? I consider that a compliment, thanks! But this kind of reply bothers me. "Cherry pick"? It's not "cherry" picking at all - it's a fact. Fraud is rampant - something that I've been pointing out for years. This isn't "cherry" picking - it's governments actively creating a market that is basically unregulated and uncontrollable and, frankly, unsupported unless you count government money backing the concept. Wake up man - this is all about economic control and the ones who play along get to play. It's the Robber Baron economy all over again.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There's fraud to a certain degree in everything political. I thought the "left" was so sick of the fraud they want to clean it up. Why create additional programs that will most likely be turned into a cash cow for those so inclined to game the system. I think The big O had his fingers crossed when he promised to address that problem. |
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On Dec 20, 6:49*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
I'm sure you can't actually be seriously making that argument! -- Nom=de=Plume "I'm-sure-you-can't-actually-be-seriously-making-that-argument!" No, D'Plume. I would never call you average. |
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On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:49:27 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm sure you can't actually be seriously making that argument! I thought it might be a good investment to send Canuck the 1500 so he can go get his head examined but that'd be a waste. He's got access to free health care. |
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Harry wrote:
On 12/20/09 2:48 PM, Canuck57 wrote: Gene wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:44:35 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Textbook example of Faux News.... Organized Crime is present ANYWHERE mass quantities of money is found, though the concept of carbon credits is purely idiotic.... Cap and trade is a world wide fraud. You and SW Tom ought to get together and co-post your absurd pronouncements. Really. You know what real fraud is? It's Aetna Joe holding up serious health care insurance reform. I have lived in the US and Canada for greater than 10 years. Can you make that claim? I even lived in the UK for 2 years, but only heard the stories they told. I had to use the Canadian and American systems -- and hear the stories. At least you currently have a choice they want to remove from you. Canadian health care sucks. You pay the government twice as much and end up with crappy rationed service. Rationing is based on the taxes you pay. The only good part is the provincial government spares you the insatiable paperwork while they skim the taxes to other pet projects of the rich and influential. How DC will work it is this. Promise a lot to sell the idea for the tax jump. Then collect the taxes, spend a decade sorting it out. Whil they do, $1 goes to other pet projects of governmetn while 50 cents goes to health care. Want better service? Blackmail the public for more taxes. I don't wish that hammer over my American friends heads. Ask yourself why congress is not making health care taxation and administration financially seperate and independant of goverment general operations? Hint: Skiming the income for other purposes and an excuse to milk you for more. Hides the skiming. Wake up! Where you are, you have choices. Don't be such a short sighted dumb****. |
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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
... On Dec 20, 6:49 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I'm sure you can't actually be seriously making that argument! -- Nom=de=Plume "I'm-sure-you-can't-actually-be-seriously-making-that-argument!" No, D'Plume. I would never call you average. And, I mistakenly assumed you had a brain... -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:10:08 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm a Chevy guy myself, so I thank one and all for their support. --Vic .... so I thank one and all for their forced support in assumign GMs debt. Fixed it. |
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"jps" wrote in message
... On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:49:27 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm sure you can't actually be seriously making that argument! I thought it might be a good investment to send Canuck the 1500 so he can go get his head examined but that'd be a waste. He's got access to free health care. Cavity search? (Sorry Canuck, I couldn't help it) -- Nom=de=Plume |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm sure you can't actually be seriously making that argument! Well, it is about the amount of debt added to each American worker even if they are not auto, which is the majority. Sort of like 2 or 3 car payments without the car not including interest. I wouldn't write GM a cheque ever again. I don't believe in the prnciple of bank and corporate welfare using the tax system. I have a moral an ethical problem with that. |
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jps wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:49:27 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm sure you can't actually be seriously making that argument! I thought it might be a good investment to send Canuck the 1500 so he can go get his head examined but that'd be a waste. He's got access to free health care. Free? You are freaking kidding. Government has justified steady tax increases for 40 years on the health care theme. Giving Canada the highest taxed juristicions in North America! Don't trust my word for it. Plug your numbers into this and find out: http://www.fraserinstitute.org/tools/Default.htm Or, go to the Canadian government tax site and download a T4 Tax forms, they are only 4 pages as we can't deduct much. No need to calculate interest on the mortage here. Keep in mind if you use the T4 method it does not include the hidden taxes of GST, PST, HST, room taxes, restaurant taxes, utility taxes and booze/cig/gas/electric/heat/import and taxes you never heard of. If you take your wife out for a meal, some provinces are 25% tax and that is before the tip. And after you look at the numbers know that health care in Canada is rationed, and bed shortages all over. They don't have to compete. One service provider and no alternatives. If you work and pay taxes you get better service because they will ask that question when getting regional health care authority to schedule you. Managed like sheep. Get sick, don't produce for the government they will put you on a rediculasly long waiting list. Americans should riot over this issue, this is a government ploy for more revenue and herd management of the American people. 90% of you will have lower health care service levels, for the 10% of freeloaders and government skiming. |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm sure you can't actually be seriously making that argument! Well, it is about the amount of debt added to each American worker even if they are not auto, which is the majority. Sort of like 2 or 3 car payments without the car not including interest. I wouldn't write GM a cheque ever again. I don't believe in the prnciple of bank and corporate welfare using the tax system. I have a moral an ethical problem with that. I find it hard to believe that you have an actual moral or ethical problem. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Dec 20, 10:25*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Dec 20, 6:49 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I'm sure you can't actually be seriously making that argument! -- Nom=de=Plume "I'm-sure-you-can't-actually-be-seriously-making-that-argument!" No, D'Plume. I would never call you average. And, I mistakenly assumed you had a brain... -- Nom=de=Plume No you didn't. And there is your mistake. |
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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
... On Dec 20, 10:25 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Dec 20, 6:49 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I'm sure you can't actually be seriously making that argument! -- Nom=de=Plume "I'm-sure-you-can't-actually-be-seriously-making-that-argument!" No, D'Plume. I would never call you average. And, I mistakenly assumed you had a brain... -- Nom=de=Plume No you didn't. And there is your mistake. So, I was right. You don't have a brain! Thanks for the confirmation. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Dec 20, 9:58*pm, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:50:22 -0800 (PST), Jack wrote: On Dec 20, 12:42*pm, Gene wrote: On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:44:35 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re.... Huh - how about that... Textbook example of Faux News.... *Organized Crime is present ANYWHERE mass quantities of money is found, though the concept of carbon credits is purely idiotic.... So a news agency isn't allowed to report on something that *is* happening? *I guess it has to agree with your political bent to be allowed to be reported. Meanwhile you agree the whole concept is bogus... control that knee, Gene. You are certainly on the right track.... it needs to be REPORTED without political bent... If that's the criteria we'd have to shut them all down, wouldn't we? |
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On Dec 20, 7:52*pm, Harry wrote:
On 12/20/09 7:49 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Vic *wrote in message .. . On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:10:08 -0700, wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: *wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm a Chevy guy myself, so I thank one and all for their support. --Vic I own a Ford (truck) and a foreign car. :) I have a half-Japanese car, an all British car, and an all-German car. My wife has a Detroit car. I've got a potential buyer for the British car. Maybe.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - More lies....... It's incredible that you think someone here will still believe you. |
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On Dec 20, 11:56*pm, Canuck57 wrote:
jps wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:49:27 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm sure you can't actually be seriously making that argument! I thought it might be a good investment to send Canuck the 1500 so he can go get his head examined but that'd be a waste. *He's got access to free health care. Free? *You are freaking kidding. *Government has justified steady tax increases for 40 years on the health care theme. *Giving Canada the highest taxed juristicions in North America! *Don't trust my word for it. *Plug your numbers into this and find out: http://www.fraserinstitute.org/tools/Default.htm Or, go to the Canadian government tax site and download a T4 Tax forms, they are only 4 pages as we can't deduct much. No need to calculate interest on the mortage here. *Keep in mind if you use the T4 method it does not include the hidden taxes of GST, PST, HST, room taxes, restaurant taxes, utility taxes and booze/cig/gas/electric/heat/import and taxes you never heard of. *If you take your wife out for a meal, some provinces are 25% tax and that is before the tip. And after you look at the numbers know that health care in Canada is rationed, and bed shortages all over. *They don't have to compete. *One service provider and no alternatives. *If you work and pay taxes you get better service because they will ask that question when getting regional health care authority to schedule you. *Managed like sheep. *Get sick, don't produce for the government they will put you on a rediculasly long waiting list. Americans should riot over this issue, this is a government ploy for more revenue and herd management of the American people. 90% of you will have lower health care service levels, for the 10% of freeloaders and government skiming. All of you universal government health care freaks need to read this carefully and repeatedly. Here's your real world feedback from one of the places you hold up as a shining example of what you want the US to become. |
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On Dec 21, 9:08*am, Jack wrote:
On Dec 20, 11:56*pm, Canuck57 wrote: jps wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:49:27 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-cap-trade-re... Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm sure you can't actually be seriously making that argument! I thought it might be a good investment to send Canuck the 1500 so he can go get his head examined but that'd be a waste. *He's got access to free health care. Free? *You are freaking kidding. *Government has justified steady tax increases for 40 years on the health care theme. *Giving Canada the highest taxed juristicions in North America! *Don't trust my word for it. *Plug your numbers into this and find out: http://www.fraserinstitute.org/tools/Default.htm Or, go to the Canadian government tax site and download a T4 Tax forms, they are only 4 pages as we can't deduct much. No need to calculate interest on the mortage here. *Keep in mind if you use the T4 method it does not include the hidden taxes of GST, PST, HST, room taxes, restaurant taxes, utility taxes and booze/cig/gas/electric/heat/import and taxes you never heard of. *If you take your wife out for a meal, some provinces are 25% tax and that is before the tip. And after you look at the numbers know that health care in Canada is rationed, and bed shortages all over. *They don't have to compete. *One service provider and no alternatives. *If you work and pay taxes you get better service because they will ask that question when getting regional health care authority to schedule you. *Managed like sheep. *Get sick, don't produce for the government they will put you on a rediculasly long waiting list. Americans should riot over this issue, this is a government ploy for more revenue and herd management of the American people. 90% of you will have lower health care service levels, for the 10% of freeloaders and government skiming. All of you universal government health care freaks need to read this carefully and repeatedly. *Here's your real world feedback from one of the places you hold up as a shining example of what you want the US to become.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who in hell told you that our system is modeled after Canada's? |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message ... jps wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:49:27 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: "This is the problem with politicians trying to create a market for something that the free market otherwise doesn't value," Schulz said. "An emissions trading market is an artificially, politically-created market...." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...%20Politics%29 Huh - how about that... Obama and congress mad-off with my money.... You must be very angry. If you are not, I am sure if you send a cheque to GM for $1500 or so they will cash it. I'm sure you can't actually be seriously making that argument! I thought it might be a good investment to send Canuck the 1500 so he can go get his head examined but that'd be a waste. He's got access to free health care. Free? You are freaking kidding. Government has justified steady tax increases for 40 years on the health care theme. Giving Canada the highest taxed juristicions in North America! Don't trust my word for it. Plug your numbers into this and find out: http://www.fraserinstitute.org/tools/Default.htm Or, go to the Canadian government tax site and download a T4 Tax forms, they are only 4 pages as we can't deduct much. No need to calculate interest on the mortage here. Keep in mind if you use the T4 method it does not include the hidden taxes of GST, PST, HST, room taxes, restaurant taxes, utility taxes and booze/cig/gas/electric/heat/import and taxes you never heard of. If you take your wife out for a meal, some provinces are 25% tax and that is before the tip. And after you look at the numbers know that health care in Canada is rationed, and bed shortages all over. They don't have to compete. One service provider and no alternatives. If you work and pay taxes you get better service because they will ask that question when getting regional health care authority to schedule you. Managed like sheep. Get sick, don't produce for the government they will put you on a rediculasly long waiting list. Americans should riot over this issue, this is a government ploy for more revenue and herd management of the American people. 90% of you will have lower health care service levels, for the 10% of freeloaders and government skiming. What province charges 25% tax? Nova Scotia is 13% HST (combined GST & PST) and that's bad enough. |
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